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Take some emotion out of it as a fan
I get it, but he couldn't even win his conference... which is one of the weaker power 5 ones.93-10 TD/INT past two yearsCaleb went 7-5 and 0-4 against ranked teams last year and yet is a "generational talent" right?He’s shown improvementI think their best move is keeping fields, moving to 2, and drafting MH2.I’ve seen several reputable reporters tweeting about it. It’s all speculation at this point, but I’m not talking about twitter randos.Completely false. Caleb is locked in and has been. Supposedly Fields was never even an option. It was Caleb vs Maye and Daniels, not Caleb vs FieldsSeeing a lot of reports that the Bears haven’t actually been engaging teams with Fields as they’re unsure about Caleb Williams.
Fields might still be their QB1?
Word from the combine was there were personality quirks with Williams. That can be significant or it can be nothing
We’ll see…
No way the Bears pass on Caleb Williams. If they do, we deserve to remain a poverty franchise.
If you know our history at Quarterback, this is the easiest selection of all time. At this rate, he'll probably get traded at the draft for a 4th Rounder. He's worth at least a 3rd Round comp pick if he walks in FA, would the Bears take a 4th Rounder this year as opposed to a 3rd next?
I'd think so. If the Bears keep Fields as their starting QB, I won't watch any of their games.
Our franchise has been waiting since Sid Luckman for this guy. Worst case scenario keep Fields. Have your cake and eat it too, but under no circumstance is Justin Fields our starter this season.
Far less risk. Caleb could be a bust.
But that’s just me.
What would you say Justin Fields does well? Is there a stat or a key win he's had that makes you believe he is a franchise Quarterback?
Because I have a whole list of stats that I'm sure you're familiar with that says he's a bust.
Not like the OL, OC or overall coaching staff has done Fields any favors.
I’ve watched him play at elite level.
stats may not lie, but they can be used to tell any story.
Justin Fields is 11-29 as a starter. 4 of those wins were against teams over .500.
Normally wins are a Quarterback stat, except when you're discussing Justin Fields. In which case suddenly it's everyone else's fault except him, even though I've watched him constantly fumble and throw interceptions on game winning drives.
What game would you say Fields has looked elite? Because I can give you about 25 to 30 in which he's looked like ****.
120-114 past 3
Including rushing TD's
Not bad
HEY! you said you were leaving
Perhaps not, but Jones never had a WR as good as DJ Moore. Even with an elite WR last year and a really good TE, Fields still couldn't get to 200 passing yards a game. He's a great YouTube QB (his highlights look great!), but when you watch him play, the eyeball test is not kind to him. He just looks like someone for whom the NFL moves too fast. In other words, his inability to read defenses quickly AND consistently just kills them on offense.
The entire NFL called a bluff on poles
Do you know Joe Namath's overall record? You know, the guy who's in the Hall of Fame? Won the Superbowl in 68? 66-70-4. His overall teams were crap after the Superbowl run and the record shows. Point being, football is a team sport and team record doesn't tell the entire story. Of course, most aren't interested in the nuance. It's all about the shiny new toy.
And now Poles will double down and go QB at #1 & #9.
But you have to change your offense to accommodate JF, and that is much harder than signing Darnold.
The OL was pretty good this year. Let’s face it, they had a cake schedule and still treated him with kid gloves at the end of the season.
QB certainly does, but he also doesn't take all the blame. As I mentioned before the reality is somewhere in the middle. Bears coaches and schemes were trash. The didn't give him much to work with until DJM came to town, and they forced Fields into a role that wasn't suited for him.
I would prefer Fields to Darnold in Minnesota
Are you a Bears fan?Me too. I'd keep Fields, target MHjr. and load up everywhere else with all those picks.I think their best move is keeping fields, moving to 2, and drafting MH2.I’ve seen several reputable reporters tweeting about it. It’s all speculation at this point, but I’m not talking about twitter randos.Completely false. Caleb is locked in and has been. Supposedly Fields was never even an option. It was Caleb vs Maye and Daniels, not Caleb vs FieldsSeeing a lot of reports that the Bears haven’t actually been engaging teams with Fields as they’re unsure about Caleb Williams.
Fields might still be their QB1?
Word from the combine was there were personality quirks with Williams. That can be significant or it can be nothing
We’ll see…
No way the Bears pass on Caleb Williams. If they do, we deserve to remain a poverty franchise.
If you know our history at Quarterback, this is the easiest selection of all time. At this rate, he'll probably get traded at the draft for a 4th Rounder. He's worth at least a 3rd Round comp pick if he walks in FA, would the Bears take a 4th Rounder this year as opposed to a 3rd next?
I'd think so. If the Bears keep Fields as their starting QB, I won't watch any of their games.
Our franchise has been waiting since Sid Luckman for this guy. Worst case scenario keep Fields. Have your cake and eat it too, but under no circumstance is Justin Fields our starter this season.
Far less risk. Caleb could be a bust.
But that’s just me.
I'd also prefer Fields to JJ McCarthy.
You're wrong about the o line. It's far from atrocious.
I've posted in this thread several times that Fields had the most pocket time to throw in the NFL in 2023. He makes his line look bad because he holds the ball too long.
Reportedly the Bears have not be shopping him, so we have no idea what the market has said.
This has been said a few times in this topic. They had the 22nd worst pass protecting OL.
That report defies belief.Reportedly the Bears have not be shopping him, so we have no idea what the market has said.
22nd worst would be 11th best, which is really good ... But I know what you mean! But even then I don't know that 22/32 would normally be called "atrocious" ... Just bad.
I’m still getting caffeinated - they were ranked 22nd in pas pro. Sheesh. Tough crowd.
Fields has A LOT to do with that ranking.
No, the fact that they had several players playing out of position & were a rag tag group of injury replacements has everything to do with that ranking.
Tackles played 16 games together. Interior had issues but Fields is an o lines worst nightmare.
Careful not to strain a muscle with that reach.
He had like .3 seconds to make a read.Careful not to strain a muscle with that reach.
No, he's right. Fields holds onto the ball more than any other QB in the league, he can't process the Fields and forces the o-line to block longer than it should.
That article is from Oct of 2022.
I believe that he has improved since Oct 2022 and that his issues this year (which is what HSG was referencing) were more line related. All of the data you are referencing is old data and may not be applicable (or as applicable). I also believe that coaching and play calling can also factor into a QB holding the ball too long. Not utilizing a players strengths and minimizing their weaknesses to help be successul.
I agree with you on Fields but I would point out this thread has a few other Bears fans who don't see it the same way as you and actually like Fields. No offense, but always hated this line of arguing, the "I watch every game" type of thing. It's not 1978, we all have access.
He also threw fewer interceptions, and took fewer sacks.
At this point I'd take it.maybe he gets signed to a be a starting RB
Advanced QB StatisticsHe had like .3 seconds to make a read.Careful not to strain a muscle with that reach.
No, he's right. Fields holds onto the ball more than any other QB in the league, he can't process the Fields and forces the o-line to block longer than it should.
Cmon.’
I think his only meaningful improvement was getting rid of the ball a little quicker which cut helped cut down on his massive issue with fumbles.
Since one knock on him was that he held the ball too long, that would seem to be a relevant improvement though.
It's fair, but there were also quite a few deep shots to Mooney & others that were dropped. Those don't necessarily show up on the stat sheet, but they certainly don't help his numbers.
When you are still the worst in the league it's not enough growth IMO, not for the amount of starts he's had.
I believe they improved his situation, but the OL was trash.
I think he just made the OL look bad.
