Mr Capicollo
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Comparing Kirk Cousins to Tom Brady made this thread a lot better.
And that's fair. He may turnout to be a horrible QB, but to write him off after 3 games is silly. Neither Skins QB played well this season. At least Cousins got his shot.I just dont want my team trading for him...
Wherefore art thy jimmies rustled?Well, you dumbasses are writing off Cousins after a total of 3 games and this one played in similar weather conditions as Brady.
You guys are so smart!
Well, you dumbasses are writing off Cousins after a total of 3 games and this one played in similar weather conditions as Brady.
You guys are so smart!
Your next informative post will be your first.Well, you dumbasses are writing off Cousins
after a total of 3 games and this one played in similar weather conditions as Brady.
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With a QB rating of 58.4 this year it's Kirk Fourth Cousins.Kirk Second or Third Cousins imo
How about updating us with Brady's stats, kinda like this:Brady now with 122/1/1
Due to his poor performance in weather. People want to crucify Cousins on a ####ty team in weather with a lame-duck coach. He didn't play well. He had his shot. He doesn't look like a #1 on this ####ty team. Neither did RG3.Why is Brady even being mentioned in this thread??
I hope Brady gets another chance, I think he could end up being a solid QB. Your thoughts?Due to his poor performance in weather. People want to crucify Cousins on a ####ty team in weather with a lame-duck coach. He didn't play well. He had his shot. He doesn't look like a #1 on this ####ty team. Neither did RG3.Why is Brady even being mentioned in this thread??
Not trying to knock Brady, he got it done. But to dog Cousins after 3 games is just silly IMO.
Because pizzatyme is desperate and grasping at straws to make excuses for Kirk Cousins.Why is Brady even being mentioned in this thread??
In terms of pure talent I would agree. Freeman is a very talented quarterback in my opinion. Of course, that pure talent doesn't mean much if you can't master the intangibles and Freeman has badly regressed in that regard.If I was a NFL G.M. I take a chance with Freeman before Cousins, at least Freeman showed up once a upon a time, Cousins is in never never land
I'm not making excuses at all. I'm not invested in Cousins but I started this thread because Griffin was sucking balls and he got his chance as I suggested.Because pizzatyme is desperate and grasping at straws to make excuses for Kirk Cousins.Why is Brady even being mentioned in this
thread??
Played against a better defense too.lol at the Brady bit. Never mind that he won and is headed to the playoffs.
I agree.I'm not sure what to make of Cousins at this point. I think he has some talent but he just had a three-week schedule of relative cupcakes and struggled against every one of them, badly against the last two. I think it would be a mistake to write him off at this point just like it was a mistake to believe he should've been starting over Griffin at any point this season.
I've never seen a coach so aggressively wreck a team as Shanahan did, starting in the playoffs last year (when he threatened to quit before the Seattle game, confirmed by one of his coaching staff) and ending at the conclusion of the Giants game this week. Just an utter disaster.My biggest takeaway watching the Redskins QBs this year was marveling at what a trainwreck Shanahan has become as a head coach. RGIII and Cousins just need to shake this season off and regroup with a new HC. Neither QB is quite as bad as theyve looked IMO. Just need to move on from the dumpster fire this season became. Sometimes things spiral out of control, especially with a guy like Shanahan running the ship into the ground.
I love how the word "tools" is a shibboleth for #####es. Never fails.Also love how the word "butthurt" is like a shibboleth for tools. Never fails.
Wait...he isn't?You would think Pizzatyme was a 7th grader, but he actually has kids in college. Wacky internet we have.
I love how the word "tools" is a shibboleth for #####es. Never fails.
I'm going to head over to the playoff thread now and discuss the team I support. Ciao
OP is a stone cold moron.Why is Brady even being mentioned in this thread??
Peyton has the TD record. It's okay.OP is a stone cold moron.Why is Brady even being mentioned in this thread??
Yes, he has a great deal of regular season records. Good for him.Peyton has the TD record. It's okay.OP is a stone cold moron.Why is Brady even being mentioned in this thread??
He is 1-0 versus Brady in Super Bowl wins since Spygate. Good for him.Yes, he has a great deal of regular season records. Good for him.Peyton has the TD record. It's okay.OP is a stone cold moron.Why is Brady even being mentioned in this
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Which super bowl did they play against each other?He is 1-0 versus Brady in Super Bowl wins since Spygate. Good for him.Yes, he has a great deal of regular season records. Good for him.Peyton has the TD record. It's okay.OP is a stone cold moron.Why is Brady even being mentioned in this
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OP is a stone cold moron.Why is Brady even being mentioned in this thread??
You're just making it worse, try and let the thread die, seriously.He is 1-0 versus Brady in Super Bowl wins since Spygate. Good for him.Yes, he has a great deal of regular season records. Good for him.Peyton has the TD record. It's okay.OP is a stone cold moron.Why is Brady even being mentioned in this
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I'm just not so sure it's the coaches at this point. I don't think it's a coincidence that you have a "hands on" owner with little patience and his team is struggling.fatness said:I agree.packersfan said:I'm not sure what to make of Cousins at this point. I think he has some talent but he just had a three-week schedule of relative cupcakes and struggled against every one of them, badly against the last two. I think it would be a mistake to write him off at this point just like it was a mistake to believe he should've been starting over Griffin at any point this season.
I've never seen a coach so aggressively wreck a team as Shanahan did, starting in the playoffs last year (when he threatened to quit before the Seattle game, confirmed by one of his coaching staff) and ending at the conclusion of the Giants game this week. Just an utter disaster.Houston turmOiler said:My biggest takeaway watching the Redskins QBs this year was marveling at what a trainwreck Shanahan has become as a head coach. RGIII and Cousins just need to shake this season off and regroup with a new HC. Neither QB is quite as bad as theyve looked IMO. Just need to move on from the dumpster fire this season became. Sometimes things spiral out of control, especially with a guy like Shanahan running the ship into the ground.
50 attempts for 169 yards isn't even a good rushing average.Synthesizer said:50 passing attempts for 169 yards and 3 more turnovers.
outstanding post.I'm just not so sure it's the coaches at this point. I don't think it's a coincidence that you have a "hands on" owner with little patience and his team is struggling.fatness said:I agree.packersfan said:I'm not sure what to make of Cousins at this point. I think he has some talent but he just had a three-week schedule of relative cupcakes and struggled against every one of them, badly against the last two. I think it would be a mistake to write him off at this point just like it was a mistake to believe he should've been starting over Griffin at any point this season.
I've never seen a coach so aggressively wreck a team as Shanahan did, starting in the playoffs last year (when he threatened to quit before the Seattle game, confirmed by one of his coaching staff) and ending at the conclusion of the Giants game this week. Just an utter disaster.Houston turmOiler said:My biggest takeaway watching the Redskins QBs this year was marveling at what a trainwreck Shanahan has become as a head coach. RGIII and Cousins just need to shake this season off and regroup with a new HC. Neither QB is quite as bad as theyve looked IMO. Just need to move on from the dumpster fire this season became. Sometimes things spiral out of control, especially with a guy like Shanahan running the ship into the ground.
Snyder's had 2 Hall of Fame coaches in the last 9 years. Both of them left (or are leaving, in the case of Shannahan). Both of them were frustrated. Snyder's had 7 coaches in the last 14 years. All the coaches had losing records except for two - and those two (Turner at 17-12 and Schottenheimer at 8-8) only lasted a year and then were run off or left.
For Snyder's entire time there have been rumblings that he doesn't let the GM and Coach make the final call on many things, which is fine - it's his team, but he can't really complain if it's not working out that way. It rarely does when an owner gets involved too much in football decisions. I hear from my buddies who are Skin's fans all the time - Shanny didn't want to lose the draft picks, he wanted to build the O-Line and Defense first (knowing no matter the QB he'd need these things to be successful). He was overruled. Gibbs wanted to build the O and D Line up more than they did. I'm sure other coaches found their powers limited, as well.
I just don't think that when you average giving a coach 2-3 years and then dump him, and it happens 7 times in a row, that you can not place blame on the organization itself. Do I think some of those coaches were bad? Sure, why not. But all 7? I doubt it.
We'll see what comes out once Shanahan is no longer subject to Snyder, but I'm a Skins fan and the word all along has been that Snyder had been staying out of the way and keeping his end of the bargain. The leaks about almost quitting prior to a playoff game and then being uncomfortable with Snyder's and Griffin's personal relationship hint as something else, but that remains to be seen. Who entertains the idea of quitting prior to a playoff game? I guess you have to assume that's him saying that he wanted to start Cousins and Snyder overruled him?I'm just not so sure it's the coaches at this point. I don't think it's a coincidence that you have a "hands on" owner with little patience and his team is struggling.fatness said:I agree.packersfan said:I'm not sure what to make of Cousins at this point. I think he has some talent but he just had a three-week schedule of relative cupcakes and struggled against every one of them, badly against the last two. I think it would be a mistake to write him off at this point just like it was a mistake to believe he should've been starting over Griffin at any point this season.
I've never seen a coach so aggressively wreck a team as Shanahan did, starting in the playoffs last year (when he threatened to quit before the Seattle game, confirmed by one of his coaching staff) and ending at the conclusion of the Giants game this week. Just an utter disaster.Houston turmOiler said:My biggest takeaway watching the Redskins QBs this year was marveling at what a trainwreck Shanahan has become as a head coach. RGIII and Cousins just need to shake this season off and regroup with a new HC. Neither QB is quite as bad as theyve looked IMO. Just need to move on from the dumpster fire this season became. Sometimes things spiral out of control, especially with a guy like Shanahan running the ship into the ground.
Snyder's had 2 Hall of Fame coaches in the last 9 years. Both of them left (or are leaving, in the case of Shannahan). Both of them were frustrated. Snyder's had 7 coaches in the last 14 years. All the coaches had losing records except for two - and those two (Turner at 17-12 and Schottenheimer at 8-8) only lasted a year and then were run off or left.
For Snyder's entire time there have been rumblings that he doesn't let the GM and Coach make the final call on many things, which is fine - it's his team, but he can't really complain if it's not working out that way. It rarely does when an owner gets involved too much in football decisions. I hear from my buddies who are Skin's fans all the time - Shanny didn't want to lose the draft picks, he wanted to build the O-Line and Defense first (knowing no matter the QB he'd need these things to be successful). He was overruled. Gibbs wanted to build the O and D Line up more than they did. I'm sure other coaches found their powers limited, as well.
I just don't think that when you average giving a coach 2-3 years and then dump him, and it happens 7 times in a row, that you can not place blame on the organization itself. Do I think some of those coaches were bad? Sure, why not. But all 7? I doubt it.
I hope you didn't mean that the former leads to the latter.Cousins is a backup. He's a good guy, he spoke at my church a couple years ago, has a good family. He'll make a good chunk of money, get a NFL pension and he's smart. He'll be doing whatever he wants after football in his mid 30s and set financially for life.
He will not lead a team as an every week NFL starter though, but there are a lot of other things in life.
My Skin's buddy told me that before the season Shanny wanted to not give away the house (lots of picks) for a QB (RG3) when the rest of the team needed more help. He sent me a link for a story about it, but that was years ago. I don't even have the same phone anymore with the text. Sorry. :(We'll see what comes out once Shanahan is no longer subject to Snyder, but I'm a Skins fan and the word all along has been that Snyder had been staying out of the way and keeping his end of the bargain. The leaks about almost quitting prior to a playoff game and then being uncomfortable with Snyder's and Griffin's personal relationship hint as something else, but that remains to be seen. Who entertains the idea of quitting prior to a playoff game? I guess you have to assume that's him saying that he wanted to start Cousins and Snyder overruled him?I'm just not so sure it's the coaches at this point. I don't think it's a coincidence that you have a "hands on" owner with little patience and his team is struggling.fatness said:I agree.packersfan said:I'm not sure what to make of Cousins at this point. I think he has some talent but he just had a three-week schedule of relative cupcakes and struggled against every one of them, badly against the last two. I think it would be a mistake to write him off at this point just like it was a mistake to believe he should've been starting over Griffin at any point this season.
I've never seen a coach so aggressively wreck a team as Shanahan did, starting in the playoffs last year (when he threatened to quit before the Seattle game, confirmed by one of his coaching staff) and ending at the conclusion of the Giants game this week. Just an utter disaster.Houston turmOiler said:My biggest takeaway watching the Redskins QBs this year was marveling at what a trainwreck Shanahan has become as a head coach. RGIII and Cousins just need to shake this season off and regroup with a new HC. Neither QB is quite as bad as theyve looked IMO. Just need to move on from the dumpster fire this season became. Sometimes things spiral out of control, especially with a guy like Shanahan running the ship into the ground.
Snyder's had 2 Hall of Fame coaches in the last 9 years. Both of them left (or are leaving, in the case of Shannahan). Both of them were frustrated. Snyder's had 7 coaches in the last 14 years. All the coaches had losing records except for two - and those two (Turner at 17-12 and Schottenheimer at 8-8) only lasted a year and then were run off or left.
For Snyder's entire time there have been rumblings that he doesn't let the GM and Coach make the final call on many things, which is fine - it's his team, but he can't really complain if it's not working out that way. It rarely does when an owner gets involved too much in football decisions. I hear from my buddies who are Skin's fans all the time - Shanny didn't want to lose the draft picks, he wanted to build the O-Line and Defense first (knowing no matter the QB he'd need these things to be successful). He was overruled. Gibbs wanted to build the O and D Line up more than they did. I'm sure other coaches found their powers limited, as well.
I just don't think that when you average giving a coach 2-3 years and then dump him, and it happens 7 times in a row, that you can not place blame on the organization itself. Do I think some of those coaches were bad? Sure, why not. But all 7? I doubt it.
I agree that Snyder is a ####ty owner; I think most Redskins fans agree. But he allowed Shanahan to do what he wanted with the team for 4 years, and pretty much stayed out of it. That's pretty well documented in this article by multiple reporters who talked to multiple sources with the team. http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/mike-shanahan-hasnt-solved-washington-redskins-problems-during-uneven-tenure/2013/12/28/7df92930-6fd5-11e3-a523-fe73f0ff6b8d_story.htmlI'm just not so sure it's the coaches at this point. I don't think it's a coincidence that you have a "hands on" owner with little patience and his team is struggling.fatness said:I agree.packersfan said:I'm not sure what to make of Cousins at this point. I think he has some talent but he just had a three-week schedule of relative cupcakes and struggled against every one of them, badly against the last two. I think it would be a mistake to write him off at this point just like it was a mistake to believe he should've been starting over Griffin at any point this season.
I've never seen a coach so aggressively wreck a team as Shanahan did, starting in the playoffs last year (when he threatened to quit before the Seattle game, confirmed by one of his coaching staff) and ending at the conclusion of the Giants game this week. Just an utter disaster.Houston turmOiler said:My biggest takeaway watching the Redskins QBs this year was marveling at what a trainwreck Shanahan has become as a head coach. RGIII and Cousins just need to shake this season off and regroup with a new HC. Neither QB is quite as bad as theyve looked IMO. Just need to move on from the dumpster fire this season became. Sometimes things spiral out of control, especially with a guy like Shanahan running the ship into the ground.
Snyder's had 2 Hall of Fame coaches in the last 9 years. Both of them left (or are leaving, in the case of Shannahan). Both of them were frustrated. Snyder's had 7 coaches in the last 14 years. All the coaches had losing records except for two - and those two (Turner at 17-12 and Schottenheimer at 8-8) only lasted a year and then were run off or left.
For Snyder's entire time there have been rumblings that he doesn't let the GM and Coach make the final call on many things, which is fine - it's his team, but he can't really complain if it's not working out that way. It rarely does when an owner gets involved too much in football decisions. I hear from my buddies who are Skin's fans all the time - Shanny didn't want to lose the draft picks, he wanted to build the O-Line and Defense first (knowing no matter the QB he'd need these things to be successful). He was overruled. Gibbs wanted to build the O and D Line up more than they did. I'm sure other coaches found their powers limited, as well.
I just don't think that when you average giving a coach 2-3 years and then dump him, and it happens 7 times in a row, that you can not place blame on the organization itself. Do I think some of those coaches were bad? Sure, why not. But all 7? I doubt it.
Fair points. You know more than I.I agree that Snyder is a ####ty owner; I think most Redskins fans agree. But he allowed Shanahan to do what he wanted with the team for 4 years, and pretty much stayed out of it. That's pretty well documented in this article by multiple reporters who talked to multiple sources with the team. http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/mike-shanahan-hasnt-solved-washington-redskins-problems-during-uneven-tenure/2013/12/28/7df92930-6fd5-11e3-a523-fe73f0ff6b8d_story.htmlI'm just not so sure it's the coaches at this point. I don't think it's a coincidence that you have a "hands on" owner with little patience and his team is struggling.fatness said:I agree.packersfan said:I'm not sure what to make of Cousins at this point. I think he has some talent but he just had a three-week schedule of relative cupcakes and struggled against every one of them, badly against the last two. I think it would be a mistake to write him off at this point just like it was a mistake to believe he should've been starting over Griffin at any point this season.
I've never seen a coach so aggressively wreck a team as Shanahan did, starting in the playoffs last year (when he threatened to quit before the Seattle game, confirmed by one of his coaching staff) and ending at the conclusion of the Giants game this week. Just an utter disaster.Houston turmOiler said:My biggest takeaway watching the Redskins QBs this year was marveling at what a trainwreck Shanahan has become as a head coach. RGIII and Cousins just need to shake this season off and regroup with a new HC. Neither QB is quite as bad as theyve looked IMO. Just need to move on from the dumpster fire this season became. Sometimes things spiral out of control, especially with a guy like Shanahan running the ship into the ground.
Snyder's had 2 Hall of Fame coaches in the last 9 years. Both of them left (or are leaving, in the case of Shannahan). Both of them were frustrated. Snyder's had 7 coaches in the last 14 years. All the coaches had losing records except for two - and those two (Turner at 17-12 and Schottenheimer at 8-8) only lasted a year and then were run off or left.
For Snyder's entire time there have been rumblings that he doesn't let the GM and Coach make the final call on many things, which is fine - it's his team, but he can't really complain if it's not working out that way. It rarely does when an owner gets involved too much in football decisions. I hear from my buddies who are Skin's fans all the time - Shanny didn't want to lose the draft picks, he wanted to build the O-Line and Defense first (knowing no matter the QB he'd need these things to be successful). He was overruled. Gibbs wanted to build the O and D Line up more than they did. I'm sure other coaches found their powers limited, as well.
I just don't think that when you average giving a coach 2-3 years and then dump him, and it happens 7 times in a row, that you can not place blame on the organization itself. Do I think some of those coaches were bad? Sure, why not. But all 7? I doubt it.
I don't see any way this pile of mess is on anyone but Shanahan. The guy who picks the players and picks the coaches and picks the defenses and picks who runs the offense is the guy responsible.
My worry is that the next coach will get more interference from Snyder, who basically left Shanahan alone. Snyder had the right idea finally --- leave the head coach alone --- but he had the wrong coach.
I had heard that story also --- that Shanahan was overruled on drafting Griffin --- but this article seems to put that rumor to rest. With 20 different sources for the article and multiple reporters contributing to it I do trust the information.The only thing I heard different than you was that Shanny was overruled about losing all those draft picks for RG3. I had heard he wanted to build the O Line and Defense over a few years and find a QB along the way (already on the team or by trading/drafting).
And from being in Denver and seeing/hearing Shanny for so long - I agree with you - I think Shanny got fed up and starting being hard headed and doing what he wanted as opposed to what was best for the team, sometimes.
You have to remember, he came from an organization with an owner who never meddled and told Shanny to make the calls and he'd buy what Shanny wanted. He also held him accountable and fired him when it started going bad. Now Shanny's has another type of owner. Shanny just wants to be left alone and not bothered but that's not happening, and it seems he's throwing a tantrum because of it.
I think Shanny's most to blame for this year - but Snyder overall, I guess.
You know what? That's a great point. Maybe it's a GM issue. I really wasn't thinking about that. Get one with enough balls (and respect from past achievements) to tell Snyder to let him do his thing, and one who makes some good decisions.I had heard that story also --- that Shanahan was overruled on drafting Griffin --- but this article seems to put that rumor to rest. With 20 different sources for the article and multiple reporters contributing to it I do trust the information.The only thing I heard different than you was that Shanny was overruled about losing all those draft picks for RG3. I had heard he wanted to build the O Line and Defense over a few years and find a QB along the way (already on the team or by trading/drafting).
And from being in Denver and seeing/hearing Shanny for so long - I agree with you - I think Shanny got fed up and starting being hard headed and doing what he wanted as opposed to what was best for the team, sometimes.
You have to remember, he came from an organization with an owner who never meddled and told Shanny to make the calls and he'd buy what Shanny wanted. He also held him accountable and fired him when it started going bad. Now Shanny's has another type of owner. Shanny just wants to be left alone and not bothered but that's not happening, and it seems he's throwing a tantrum because of it.
I think Shanny's most to blame for this year - but Snyder overall, I guess.
I think we're pretty much in agreement. Snyder needs to stay out of football operations, and that it's his fault he chose the wrong HC to give so much power to.
The Redskins need a real GM more than they need a good coach. They've never had a good GM under Snyder.
http://www.wtop.com/363/3533371/Column-Act-II-of-the-Washington-Redskins-Horrow-Show-beginsShanahan earned his fate. He lost 40 games in four seasons running the show here, crushed Kirk Cousins' trade value and seemingly multiplied the Redskins' drama quotient, which is no easy task.
(If I may briefly digress...remember all the QB controversy talk? Well, here are Kirk Cousins's stats in his three starts: 69-for-130 (53.1%) passes completed-for-passes attempted, 747 yards (5.7 yards per attempt), three touchdowns, six interceptions, two fumbles. This dude committed a turnover every 16.6 touches
Yeah but look at Tom Brady's stats against Buffalo last week!To sum up Kirk Cousins's shot at starting in 2013:
http://www.wtop.com/363/3533371/Column-Act-II-of-the-Washington-Redskins-Horrow-Show-beginsShanahan earned his fate. He lost 40 games in four seasons running the show here, crushed Kirk Cousins' trade value and seemingly multiplied the Redskins' drama quotient, which is no easy task.
(If I may briefly digress...remember all the QB controversy talk? Well, here are Kirk Cousins's stats in his three starts: 69-for-130 (53.1%) passes completed-for-passes attempted, 747 yards (5.7 yards per attempt), three touchdowns, six interceptions, two fumbles. This dude committed a turnover every 16.6 touches
And some ugly stats.