QB Kirk Cousins, ATL (1 Viewer)

[Warrior]

Agreed that this mess is about 90% on Shanahan. He was given complete authority on coaching, drafting, personnel, who to hire as OC (his son), DC, etc. He had all kinds of freedom and power over every aspect of the team.

The 3-win season is Shanny's fault. Just like the division championship 1 short year ago was in large part due to him.

 

[Bayhawks]

So, it's pretty obvious that the Skins are horrible and have quit.

I would definitely use this game as the measuring stick for Cousins!

How about we don't use this game? How about we use his entire set of starts? And how about we compare apples to apples, shall we?

Cousins started 3 games; none were against playoff teams. So instead of comparing Cousin's starts against non-playoff teams to RGIII's starts against the Broncos, Chiefs, et al, let's compare his starts against non-playoff teams.

Cousins:

3 games started-134 attempts, 69 completions, 51% comp. percentage, 747 yards, 5.6 YPA, 4 TD, 5 INT, 3 rushes, 13 rush yards.

RGIII:

6 games started-218 attempts, 135 completions, 62% comp. percentage, 1585 yards, 7.3 YPA, 7 TD, 3 INT, 48 rushes, 343 yards.

There is NO WAY anyone can argue that Cousins is a better QB than Griffin, which explains pizzatyme's disappearance from this thread.

 

[pizzatyme]

So, it's pretty obvious that the Skins are horrible

and have quit.

I would definitely use this game as the measuring stick for Cousins!

How about we don't use this game? How about we use his entire set of starts? And how about we compare apples to apples, shall we?

Cousins started 3 games; none were against playoff teams. So instead of comparing Cousin's starts against non-playoff teams to RGIII's starts

against the Broncos, Chiefs, et al, let's compare his starts against non-playoff teams.

Cousins:

3 games started-134 attempts, 69 completions, 51% comp. percentage, 747 yards, 5.6 YPA, 4 TD, 5 INT, 3 rushes, 13 rush yards.

RGIII:

6 games started-218 attempts, 135 completions, 62% comp. percentage, 1585 yards, 7.3 YPA, 7 TD, 3 INT, 48 rushes, 343 yards.

There is NO WAY anyone can argue that Cousins is a better QB than Griffin, which explains pizzatyme's disappearance from this thread.

I haven't disappeared. You've done an amazing job here of researching and providing facts.

I started this thread based on my observations of Griffin. They were validated by a HC who has 2 Super Bowl rings. Cousins got his shot. He failed. Pretty simple.

Anything else you'd like to discuss?

 

[Bayhawks]

So, it's pretty obvious that the Skins are horrible

and have quit.

I would definitely use this game as the measuring stick for Cousins!

How about we don't use this game? How about we use his entire set of starts? And how about we compare apples to apples, shall we?

Cousins started 3 games; none were against playoff teams. So instead of comparing Cousin's starts against non-playoff teams to RGIII's starts

against the Broncos, Chiefs, et al, let's compare his starts against non-playoff teams.

Cousins:

3 games started-134 attempts, 69 completions, 51% comp. percentage, 747 yards, 5.6 YPA, 4 TD, 5 INT, 3 rushes, 13 rush yards.

RGIII:

6 games started-218 attempts, 135 completions, 62% comp. percentage, 1585 yards, 7.3 YPA, 7 TD, 3 INT, 48 rushes, 343 yards.

There is NO WAY anyone can argue that Cousins is a better QB than Griffin, which explains pizzatyme's disappearance from this thread.

I haven't disappeared. You've done an amazing job here of researching and providing facts.

I started this thread based on my observations of Griffin. They were validated by a HC who has 2 Super Bowl rings. Cousins got his shot. He failed. Pretty simple.

Anything else you'd like to discuss?

Validated by a coach who has won 2 SB rings? The same coach who was fired for his horrible job performance, including his incredibly inept handling of his franchise QB? OK.

Sure, I'd like to discuss how completely wrong you were. You said "Bobby 3 sticks just not good these days," and responded to a poster who said the 'Skins shouldn't hinder their franchise QB's development by putting in their backup with "I know, that's why I'm suggesting they get their franchise QB in there ASAP!"

So, since you believed (and argued strongly) that Cousins was a better QB than RGIII, and have been proven completely wrong, it stands to reason that your incredibly biased opinion of RGIII was just as wrong.

 

[pizzatyme]

Just because Shanahan was fired doesn't mean he was wrong for benching Griffin WHO WAS PLAYING TERRIBLY.

Obviously humor escapes you as my joke about the Skins needing to get their "franchise QB" in there was a joke.

My banter in this thread was with those defending Griffin. He played terribly this year. And don't go on about how he accumulated stats in blowout losses.

I have no dilutions about Cousins supplanting Griffin.

I said that Griffin needed to sit, he did.

I said that Cousins needed to get his shot, he did.

Those are the facts. Deal with it.

 

[Apple Jack]

You're a moron. Deal with it.

 

[pizzatyme]

You're a moron. Deal with it.

Burn! I'm hurt.

 

[fatness]

Yeah lets hinder the development of our franchise Qb for a decent backup

I know, that's why I'm suggesting they get their franchise QB in there ASAP!

"but I was kidding"

 

[pizzatyme]

Yeah lets hinder the development of our franchise Qb for a decent backup

I know, that's why I'm suggesting they get their franchise QB in there ASAP!

"but I was kidding"

Are you really that dense? I'm sad for you.

 

[packersfan]

Cousins playing poorly only served to validate how stupid the decision was to bench Griffin in the first place in my opinion. The team didn't win. Cousins' trade value took a hit and Griffin lost out on badly needed game action. I can't think of a single positive thing the move produced - other than Shanahan being fired which should help the team (and Griffin's future development) immensely. So yeah maybe it really was brilliant after all.

 

[MattFancy]

Cousins playing poorly only served to validate how stupid the decision was to bench Griffin in the first place in my opinion. The team didn't win. Cousins' trade value took a hit and Griffin lost out on badly needed game action. I can't think of a single positive thing the move produced - other than Shanahan being fired which should help the team (and Griffin's future development) immensely. So yeah maybe it really was brilliant after all.

Agreed. Nothing good came of it. Cousins looked like a typical backup-QB and didn't really do anything special. Yeah threw for a ton of yards against Atlanta, so did just about every other QB that played them this year. His games against Dallas and New York were worse than what RG3 did against those same 2 teams earlier in the season. So yeah, terrible idea.

 

[Snotbubbles]

So, it's pretty obvious that the Skins are horrible and have quit.

I would definitely use this game as the measuring stick for Cousins!

How about we don't use this game? How about we use his entire set of starts? And how about we compare apples to apples, shall we?

Cousins started 3 games; none were against playoff teams. So instead of comparing Cousin's starts against non-playoff teams to RGIII's starts against the Broncos, Chiefs, et al, let's compare his starts against non-playoff teams.

Cousins:

3 games started-134 attempts, 69 completions, 51% comp. percentage, 747 yards, 5.6 YPA, 4 TD, 5 INT, 3 rushes, 13 rush yards.

RGIII:

6 games started-218 attempts, 135 completions, 62% comp. percentage, 1585 yards, 7.3 YPA, 7 TD, 3 INT, 48 rushes, 343 yards.

There is NO WAY anyone can argue that Cousins is a better QB than Griffin, which explains pizzatyme's disappearance from this thread.

That's pretty unfair.

WAS looked like they quit by the time Cousins got in. Shanahan had lost the team at that point.

 

[Hang 10]

So, it's pretty obvious that the Skins are horrible and have quit.

I would definitely use this game as the measuring stick for Cousins!

How about we don't use this game? How about we use his entire set of starts? And how about we compare apples to apples, shall we?

Cousins started 3 games; none were against playoff teams. So instead of comparing Cousin's starts against non-playoff teams to RGIII's starts against the Broncos, Chiefs, et al, let's compare his starts against non-playoff teams.

Cousins:

3 games started-134 attempts, 69 completions, 51% comp. percentage, 747 yards, 5.6 YPA, 4 TD, 5 INT, 3 rushes, 13 rush yards.

RGIII:

6 games started-218 attempts, 135 completions, 62% comp. percentage, 1585 yards, 7.3 YPA, 7 TD, 3 INT, 48 rushes, 343 yards.

There is NO WAY anyone can argue that Cousins is a better QB than Griffin, which explains pizzatyme's disappearance from this thread.

That's pretty unfair.

WAS looked like they quit by the time Cousins got in. Shanahan had lost the team at that point.

Aside from the Giant game, what would make you say they quit the previous two games?

 

[lod01]

Hopefully Cousins gets a shot with another team. This team is a mess. By the time he got in there, TE Reed's brain was scrambled eggs and he was one of the 2 top receivers for Griffin. All Cousins had was Garcon.

Robinson, Paulson, Santana Moss...please.

I'm on record that A. Griffin will continue to suck and B. that if Cousins gets another shot elsewhere, he will succeed.

 

[packersfan]

Hopefully Cousins gets a shot with another team. This team is a mess. By the time he got in there, TE Reed's brain was scrambled eggs and he was one of the 2 top receivers for Griffin. All Cousins had was Garcon.

That's all Griffin had for much of the season too. Reed only played 9 games and was knocked out early in the 9th.

 

[Zaphod]

Hopefully Cousins gets a shot with another team. This team is a mess. By the time he got in there, TE Reed's brain was scrambled eggs and he was one of the 2 top receivers for Griffin. All Cousins had was Garcon.

That's all Griffin had for much of the season too. Reed only played 9 games and was knocked out early in the 9th.

I'm not saying that Cousins is a better QB than Griffin, but count me in the group that would like to see him get another shot with a clean slate. Not at the end of a dying season with a lame duck coach who has become known more for his ego than actual coaching skills.

I personally am not reading a lot into his performance in these three games. I would have liked to see him play better, but am not at all surprised by the outcome given the circus like atmosphere surrounding that franchise as the season came to an end.

 

[packersfan]

I said earlier I think it was wrong to bench Griffin and I think it would be wrong to write off Cousins now. Neither one was helped by this train wreck of a team. I wasn't impressed by Cousins in these three starts but Foles didn't wow me last year either and look at what he's doing now. Good coaching makes a helluva difference and I don't think Griffin or Cousins were helped in that regard this season.

 

[Buffaloes]

Obviously humor escapes you as my joke about the Skins needing to get their "franchise QB" in there was a joke.

oh, come on

 

[fatness]

I wonder if people minimizing his bad performance in the 3 games would be on mountaintops blowing trumpets about his awesome performance if he played terrifically.

 

[pizzatyme]

Obviously humor escapes you as my joke about

the Skins needing to get their "franchise QB" in there was a joke.

oh, come on

The reality is, I couldn't care less about Cousins. My post originates from my dislike for Griffin's performance. Dems da facts.

 

[fatness]

Good coaching makes a helluva difference and I don't think Griffin or Cousins were helped in that regard this season.

You're completely right about that.

 

[pizzatyme]

There was little chance for either QB to succeed this year.

I do take issue with people saying Griffin was playing well, based on the stats. He wasn't. The team wasn't. It's not all his fault. It never was.

Unfortunately, I feel the issues lie with the ownership so no coaching change will fix it.

I hope that's not the case as I was a Skins fan prior to the Colts moving to Indy. I still root for their NFC success.

 

[packersfan]

I don't think Griffin played well but I also don't think he was as bad as some/many suggest. This team never had a defense, its special teams was lousy and the coaching (especially on offense) was highly suspect and that's being polite. Griffin could've played better for sure but he was so far down the list of the team's problems which is why I think it was boarderline insane to bench him when healthy. He wasn't the problem and Cousins wasn't the solution.

 

[Buffaloes]

Obviously humor escapes you as my joke about

the Skins needing to get their "franchise QB" in there was a joke.

oh, come on

My post originates from my dislike for Griffin

obviously

 

[pizzatyme]

Obviously humor escapes you as my joke about

the Skins needing to get their "franchise QB" in there was a joke.

oh, come on

My post originates from my dislike for Griffin

obviously

So now you resort to fabricating quotes? Grow up.

 

[Buffaloes]

Obviously humor escapes you as my joke about

the Skins needing to get their "franchise QB" in there was a joke.

oh, come on

My post originates from my dislike for Griffin

obviously

thanks, buddy

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Obviously humor escapes you as my joke about

the Skins needing to get their "franchise QB" in there was a joke.

oh, come on

My post originates from my dislike for Griffin

obviously

So now you resort to fabricating quotes? Grow up.

Just make tactical retreat dude. You are expected to bump this if Cousins ever becomes worth a damn.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Obviously humor escapes you as my joke about

the Skins needing to get their "franchise QB" in there was a joke.

oh, come on

My post originates from my dislike for Griffin

obviously

thanks, buddy

 

[Bayhawks]

Just because Shanahan was fired doesn't mean he was wrong for benching Griffin WHO WAS PLAYING TERRIBLY.

Obviously humor escapes you as my joke about the Skins needing to get their "franchise QB" in there was a joke.

My banter in this thread was with those defending Griffin. He played terribly this year. And don't go on about how he accumulated stats in blowout losses.

I have no dilutions about Cousins supplanting Griffin.

I said that Griffin needed to sit, he did.

I said that Cousins needed to get his shot, he did.

Those are the facts. Deal with it.

The whole team was playing terribly, and the fact that he was fired was a result of many wrong decisions; benching RGIII being the most obvious. The fact that Cousins played WORSE than Griffin (damaging any negligible trade value he had), AND the fact that the 'Skins lost every one of his starts (against non-playoff teams) also show it was the wrong decision.

You said Cousins needed to get his chance to show he was the #1. You were 100% wrong, and no amount of post-editing, word parsing, or "my bad, I was just kidding" comments will change the fact that your player evaluation skills are horrible.

 

[pizzatyme]

Your sample size is horrible.

 

[Bayhawks]

So, it's pretty obvious that the Skins are horrible and have quit.

I would definitely use this game as the measuring stick for Cousins!

How about we don't use this game? How about we use his entire set of starts? And how about we compare apples to apples, shall we?

Cousins started 3 games; none were against playoff teams. So instead of comparing Cousin's starts against non-playoff teams to RGIII's starts against the Broncos, Chiefs, et al, let's compare his starts against non-playoff teams.

Cousins:

3 games started-134 attempts, 69 completions, 51% comp. percentage, 747 yards, 5.6 YPA, 4 TD, 5 INT, 3 rushes, 13 rush yards.

RGIII:

6 games started-218 attempts, 135 completions, 62% comp. percentage, 1585 yards, 7.3 YPA, 7 TD, 3 INT, 48 rushes, 343 yards.

There is NO WAY anyone can argue that Cousins is a better QB than Griffin, which explains pizzatyme's disappearance from this thread.

That's pretty unfair.

WAS looked like they quit by the time Cousins got in. Shanahan had lost the team at that point.

It's not any more unfair than taking an incredibly small sample size of Cousins' play, and comparing it to RGIII's play this year with no off-season b/c he was rehabbing from a torn ACL, with a horrible O-line, horrible defense, horrible ST play, and horrible coaching; then trying to suggest that Cousins' should be the #1 QB for the 'Skins.

 

[Bayhawks]

Your sample size is horrible.

Good point. Please feel free to provide some of your other player evaluations for 2014, and we can (avoid those players you endorse, and) evaluate them after next season.

 

[lod01]

So now you resort to fabricating quotes? Grow up.

Just make tactical retreat dude. You are expected to bump this if Cousins ever becomes worth a damn.

He will have to beat me to it first.

 

[mad sweeney]

I have no dilutions about Cousins supplanting Griffin.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

This thread is a pretty good and funny read...thanks for the entertainment.

 

[Hoss Style]

Your sample size is horrible.

That's what she said.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

I have no dilutions about Cousins supplanting Griffin.

Technically he is correct (the best kind of correct)

 

[mad sweeney]

I have no dilutions about Cousins supplanting Griffin.

Technically he is correct (the best kind of correct)

Say wat?

 

[MoveToSkypager]

I have no dilutions about Cousins supplanting Griffin.

Technically he is correct (the best kind of correct)

Say wat?

I bet you can't give an example of a dilution pizzatyme has about Cousins supplanting Griffin.

 

[pizzatyme]

Your sample size is horrible.

Good point. Please feel free to provide some of your other player evaluations for 2014, and we can (avoid those players you endorse, and)

evaluate them after next season.

Funny you say that. I netted $10K in the FFPC THIS YEAR. It can be verified by several in this board. How about you?

 

[pizzatyme]

I have no dilutions about Cousins supplanting Griffin.

damn autocorrect

 

[fatness]

I have no dilutions about Cousins supplanting Griffin.

Technically he is correct (the best kind of correct)

Say wat?

I bet you can't give an example of a dilution pizzatyme has about Cousins supplanting Griffin.

4 parts water

1 part pizzatyme about Cousins supplanting Griffin

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Maybe the Cots can trade for Kurt Cousins since Luck doesn't seem to be the answer.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Cousins had 2 picks in the cold and rain. He'd definitely have a better day in the dome. Luck has 2 picks today in the dome. Therefore. Cousins > Luck

 

[pizzatyme]

nice fishing attempt. Only makes you both look silly.

 

[Warrior]

Your sample size is horrible.

Good point. Please feel free to provide some of your other player evaluations for 2014, and we can (avoid those players you endorse, and)

evaluate them after next season.

Funny you say that. I netted $10K in the FFPC THIS YEAR. It can be verified by several in this board. How about you?

Blind squirrels get nuts on occasion. Broken clocks are right twice a day. Fish catch inside straight draws when all-in sometimes. An up year in fantasy football can be had by anyone.

 

[pizzatyme]

Your sample size is horrible.

Good point. Please feel free to provide some of your other player evaluations for 2014, and we can (avoid those players you endorse, and)

evaluate them after next season.

Funny you say that. I netted $10K in the FFPC THIS YEAR. It can be verified by several in this board. How about you?

Blind squirrels get nuts on occasion. Broken clocks are right twice a day. Fish catch inside straight draws when all-in sometimes. An up year in fantasy football can be had by anyone.

Yep, won $4500 last year too. FFPC $750 entry fee draftmasters...feel free to look it up.

2009 FFPC regular season highest scoring team $1000

2009 FFPC 6th place finish overall, yep more cash

Thanks for playing

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Your sample size is horrible.

Good point. Please feel free to provide some of your other player evaluations for 2014, and we can (avoid those players you endorse, and)

evaluate them after next season.

Funny you say that. I netted $10K in the FFPC THIS YEAR. It can be verified by several in this board. How about you?

Blind squirrels get nuts on occasion. Broken clocks are right twice a day. Fish catch inside straight draws when all-in sometimes. An up year in fantasy football can be had by anyone.

Yep, won $4500 last year too. FFPC $750 entry fee draftmasters...feel free to look it up.

2009 FFPC regular season highest scoring team $1000

2009 FFPC 6th place finish overall, yep more cash

Thanks for playing

 

[FunkyPlutos]

Seriously, what do the Vikings have to give up to get this guy?

 

[pizzatyme]

Your sample size is horrible.

Good point. Please feel free to provide some of your other player evaluations for 2014, and we can (avoid those players you endorse, and)

evaluate them after next season.

Funny you say that. I netted $10K in the FFPC THIS YEAR. It can be verified by several in this board. How about you?

Blind squirrels get nuts on occasion. Broken clocks are right twice a day. Fish catch inside straight draws when all-in sometimes. An up year in fantasy football can be had by anyone.

Yep, won $4500 last year too. FFPC $750 entry fee draftmasters...feel free to look it up.

2009 FFPC regular season highest scoring team $1000

2009 FFPC 6th place finish overall, yep more cash

Thanks for playing

I'm sure your documented FF success is much better. Congrats.