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menobrown said:
Vikings are preparing to move on next year.....if not sooner.
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Hypothetically:

I know the Vikings weren't as good as their record, but it'd be really bold (crazy even?) for a 13-win team to get rid of a top-10 QB with no real means of replacing him, while their biggest rival is jettisoning their franchise QB. Who would they get instead, Jacoby Brissett? Baker Mayfield? Tanner McKee? Hendon Hooker?

Like, I think the Bears and Lions are on the right track, but this division is still very much Minnesota's for the taking, especially with Flores replacing the incompetent Donatell.

ETA: Unless I'm completely off base, and the Vikings made a play for Lamar Jackson, but they can't possibly afford that, right?
 
travdogg said:
menobrown said:
Vikings are preparing to move on next year.....if not sooner.
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Hypothetically:

I know the Vikings weren't as good as their record, but it'd be really bold (crazy even?) for a 13-win team to get rid of a top-10 QB with no real means of replacing him, while their biggest rival is jettisoning their franchise QB. Who would they get instead, Jacoby Brissett? Baker Mayfield? Tanner McKee? Hendon Hooker?

Like, I think the Bears and Lions are on the right track, but this division is still very much Minnesota's for the taking, especially with Flores replacing the incompetent Donatell.

ETA: Unless I'm completely off base, and the Vikings made a play for Lamar Jackson, but they can't possibly afford that, right?
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I have not studied their cap/payroll but have been reading about the Vikings moves and some people's thoughts on them and the feeling is they assessed that despite being a 13 win team they were not that close. I know for sure that they have resisted re-doing contracts that push any cap space into 2024, which they could do with Cousins if they wanted so they could use that money to improve the team in 2023.

They have some huge extensions coming with Jefferson, Hockenson and Darrisaw next year among others but they are looking at having in excess of $100M in cap space in 2024 before factoring in those extension.

I've heard a few ex-league execs comment on how they handling this off-season and one of them, Joe Banner. said the other day it's going to set them back this year but if Vikings fans are patient they are setting themselves up for excellence.

As for Lamar I don't think going after him is part of their thinking right now so much as having ability to go after a QB next off-season.
 

Kirk Cousins said he "would like to retire as a Viking" when asked about entering 2023 on a contract year.​

The Vikings signed cousins to a one-year extension last offseason -- a deal the two sides restructured last March. Earlier reports from NFL Network's Mike Garafolo were that he didn't sense "any momentum" between Cousins and the Vikings reaching, but speaking last week, Cousins reiterated his desire to remain with the team. Cousins appears to be on the verge of entering his fourth contract season since he was drafted by Washington in 2012. The former fourth-round pick will be 35 at the start of the season and is fresh off a season in which he threw for 4547-29-14. The Vikings have made the playoffs twice in Cousins' five seasons with the team but went 13-4 in head coach Kevin O'Connell's first season. Unless the team has a change of heart, it sounds like Cousins will have to earn his next extension with an impressive 2023 campaign.
SOURCE: The Athletic
May 8, 2023, 10:50 AM ET
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Cousins is toast, He hasn't ever been the QB they signed him to be.
decent QB not spectacular every time I see him play it's a duck n chuck scenario. I don't know how he's made it this far through his career, there's nothing spectacular about the guy , he is what Danny Dimes is about to become in ny an overpaid dolittle
 
Tanner9919 said:
Cousins is toast, He hasn't ever been the QB they signed him to be.
decent QB not spectacular every time I see him play it's a duck n chuck scenario. I don't know how he's made it this far through his career, there's nothing spectacular about the guy , he is what Danny Dimes is about to become in ny an overpaid dolittle
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As a fan of a team who has had awful QBs for decades - I disagree Cousins is toast. If Wentz got multiple opportunities so can Cousins. I do think its his last chance in Minn but I definitely see him as a starting QB the next few yrs. There are some truly bad QB spots in the league where he would be an upgrade
 
Tanner9919 said:
Cousins is toast, He hasn't ever been the QB they signed him to be.
decent QB not spectacular every time I see him play it's a duck n chuck scenario. I don't know how he's made it this far through his career, there's nothing spectacular about the guy , he is what Danny Dimes is about to become in ny an overpaid dolittle
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You may not like him, but he has only improved every year in Minnesota...He is a very good (but not great) QB. Exceeded all expectations from me as a Vikings fan.
 
There are QB's like Cousins and Derek Carr who are good enough to feel like you have someone who in the 'right situation' can win a Super Bowl. But that 'right situation' has a sliver of a chance of ever becoming reality. I think most people look at Joe Flacco or 2nd year Big Ben/Russell Wilson and say 'see, it can happen!'.

But it's a low chance way of trying to build a legitimate contender and situations like the ones mentioned above were unique in just how strong the rest of them team was. I'm talking multiple HOF caliber players littered throughout the roster.
 
TheDirtyWord said:
There are QB's like Cousins and Derek Carr who are good enough to feel like you have someone who in the 'right situation' can win a Super Bowl. But that 'right situation' has a sliver of a chance of ever becoming reality. I think most people look at Joe Flacco or 2nd year Big Ben/Russell Wilson and say 'see, it can happen!'.

But it's a low chance way of trying to build a legitimate contender and situations like the ones mentioned above were unique in just how strong the rest of them team was. I'm talking multiple HOF caliber players littered throughout the roster.
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Whats good about Minny is the weapons could overcome a mediocre Cousins - Kirk is good enough to get them the ball....Jefferson, Addison, Hock can take an average play and break it long. I dont see why Minny/Kirk cant repeat last years run and see if they do better in the playoffs. As for fantasy Im in on him again this year as a cheap solid QB.

Minn fans should be careful what they wish for 0 trust me - QB purgatory is not better than Kirk. Tough to name a better QB that will be available next year - this offense is ready to win now
 
Kiddnets said:
TheDirtyWord said:
There are QB's like Cousins and Derek Carr who are good enough to feel like you have someone who in the 'right situation' can win a Super Bowl. But that 'right situation' has a sliver of a chance of ever becoming reality. I think most people look at Joe Flacco or 2nd year Big Ben/Russell Wilson and say 'see, it can happen!'.

But it's a low chance way of trying to build a legitimate contender and situations like the ones mentioned above were unique in just how strong the rest of them team was. I'm talking multiple HOF caliber players littered throughout the roster.
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Whats good about Minny is the weapons could overcome a mediocre Cousins - Kirk is good enough to get them the ball....Jefferson, Addison, Hock can take an average play and break it long. I dont see why Minny/Kirk cant repeat last years run and see if they do better in the playoffs. As for fantasy Im in on him again this year as a cheap solid QB.

Minn fans should be careful what they wish for 0 trust me - QB purgatory is not better than Kirk. Tough to name a better QB that will be available next year - this offense is ready to win now
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I agree with you for the most part as I think Cousins is better than an average starting QB in the NFL. Given the market at the position and the Vikings failed attempts to draft a quality QB he was likely the best opportunity the team had to get a decent starter at the most important position. Even though they over payed for him at the time contracts have caught up in the meantime.

Cousins has been very durable which is something they had issues with prior to signing him as well.

That said I think he is the definition of QB purgatory. Not good enough to elevate the team to a championship level but too good for the Vikings to lose many games that could put them in the position to possibly draft a top level QB.

This has been the situation for the Vikings for as long as I've been following the team. Too good to draft very high but not good enough to reach the ultimate goal.

They did have a couple seasons where they had a legit shot at a title when they caught lightning in a bottle with Cunningham and Favres first season with the Vikings, but that's about it.

It pains me how terrible the Vikings defense has become now. For KOC and the new GM to earn their keep and make that worth it they really need to find a young QB and develop him, which is going to be very hard for them to do with this competitive rebuild plan.
 
Biabreakable said:
Kiddnets said:
TheDirtyWord said:
There are QB's like Cousins and Derek Carr who are good enough to feel like you have someone who in the 'right situation' can win a Super Bowl. But that 'right situation' has a sliver of a chance of ever becoming reality. I think most people look at Joe Flacco or 2nd year Big Ben/Russell Wilson and say 'see, it can happen!'.

But it's a low chance way of trying to build a legitimate contender and situations like the ones mentioned above were unique in just how strong the rest of them team was. I'm talking multiple HOF caliber players littered throughout the roster.
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Whats good about Minny is the weapons could overcome a mediocre Cousins - Kirk is good enough to get them the ball....Jefferson, Addison, Hock can take an average play and break it long. I dont see why Minny/Kirk cant repeat last years run and see if they do better in the playoffs. As for fantasy Im in on him again this year as a cheap solid QB.

Minn fans should be careful what they wish for 0 trust me - QB purgatory is not better than Kirk. Tough to name a better QB that will be available next year - this offense is ready to win now
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I agree with you for the most part as I think Cousins is better than an average starting QB in the NFL. Given the market at the position and the Vikings failed attempts to draft a quality QB he was likely the best opportunity the team had to get a decent starter at the most important position. Even though they over payed for him at the time contracts have caught up in the meantime.

Cousins has been very durable which is something they had issues with prior to signing him as well.

That said I think he is the definition of QB purgatory. Not good enough to elevate the team to a championship level but too good for the Vikings to lose many games that could put them in the position to possibly draft a top level QB.

This has been the situation for the Vikings for as long as I've been following the team. Too good to draft very high but not good enough to reach the ultimate goal.

They did have a couple seasons where they had a legit shot at a title when they caught lightning in a bottle with Cunningham and Favres first season with the Vikings, but that's about it.

It pains me how terrible the Vikings defense has become now. For KOC and the new GM to earn their keep and make that worth it they really need to find a young QB and develop him, which is going to be very hard for them to do with this competitive rebuild plan.
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I think the defense has had a lot to do with the Vikings failures in the Cousins era.

Kirk has had some stinkers in big games, but I don’t think he’s the sole reason for the Vikings lack of success.

If you put Cousins on the Eagles I bet he’d win a Super Bowl.
 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
Biabreakable said:
Kiddnets said:
TheDirtyWord said:
There are QB's like Cousins and Derek Carr who are good enough to feel like you have someone who in the 'right situation' can win a Super Bowl. But that 'right situation' has a sliver of a chance of ever becoming reality. I think most people look at Joe Flacco or 2nd year Big Ben/Russell Wilson and say 'see, it can happen!'.

But it's a low chance way of trying to build a legitimate contender and situations like the ones mentioned above were unique in just how strong the rest of them team was. I'm talking multiple HOF caliber players littered throughout the roster.
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Whats good about Minny is the weapons could overcome a mediocre Cousins - Kirk is good enough to get them the ball....Jefferson, Addison, Hock can take an average play and break it long. I dont see why Minny/Kirk cant repeat last years run and see if they do better in the playoffs. As for fantasy Im in on him again this year as a cheap solid QB.

Minn fans should be careful what they wish for 0 trust me - QB purgatory is not better than Kirk. Tough to name a better QB that will be available next year - this offense is ready to win now
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I agree with you for the most part as I think Cousins is better than an average starting QB in the NFL. Given the market at the position and the Vikings failed attempts to draft a quality QB he was likely the best opportunity the team had to get a decent starter at the most important position. Even though they over payed for him at the time contracts have caught up in the meantime.

Cousins has been very durable which is something they had issues with prior to signing him as well.

That said I think he is the definition of QB purgatory. Not good enough to elevate the team to a championship level but too good for the Vikings to lose many games that could put them in the position to possibly draft a top level QB.

This has been the situation for the Vikings for as long as I've been following the team. Too good to draft very high but not good enough to reach the ultimate goal.

They did have a couple seasons where they had a legit shot at a title when they caught lightning in a bottle with Cunningham and Favres first season with the Vikings, but that's about it.

It pains me how terrible the Vikings defense has become now. For KOC and the new GM to earn their keep and make that worth it they really need to find a young QB and develop him, which is going to be very hard for them to do with this competitive rebuild plan.
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I think the defense has had a lot to do with the Vikings failures in the Cousins era.

Kirk has had some stinkers in big games, but I don’t think he’s the sole reason for the Vikings lack of success.

If you put Cousins on the Eagles I bet he’d win a Super Bowl.
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Oh I'm not putting the blame solely on Cousins at all and I agree with you that it was more the defense not being good enough for the Vikings to advance in the playoffs.

That said the signing of Cousins and a shift towards prioritizing offense are causes leading to the demise of the quality of the defense that only a few years ago was very good.

It's hard to put everything together at the same time. Compromises have to be made based on priorities for every team.
 
FunkyPlutos said:
Tanner9919 said:
Cousins is toast, He hasn't ever been the QB they signed him to be.
decent QB not spectacular every time I see him play it's a duck n chuck scenario. I don't know how he's made it this far through his career, there's nothing spectacular about the guy , he is what Danny Dimes is about to become in ny an overpaid dolittle
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You may not like him, but he has only improved every year in Minnesota...He is a very good (but not great) QB. Exceeded all expectations from me as a Vikings fan.
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I am right there with you. Cousins has been good enough and about as good as you can expect a free agent QB to do for you. You don't get a Mahomes or Allen in free agency. The Vikes have been a team that could be anybody at any time. The problem is they could also lose to anybody at any time.....but that was not on Cousins at all. I also don't think the defense was as bad as it performed and I put that mostly on the bend don't break approach the coaching staff implemented which actually put the DB's in the cross hairs without putting pressure on to minimize their deficiencies. I think they had the front seven to wreak havoc but weren't aggressive enough to do so and that was their downfall and took them out of Super Bowl contention. My hope is that Flores will change that and give them a more complimentary flow to give them the best chance to win.
 

Kirk Cousins said he does not expect any talks surrounding a new contract with the Vikings until March.​

Cousins and the Vikings agreed to forgo extension talks in the spring, so it's possible he hits the open market next offseason. He previously said he wants to retire as a Viking, but the team may want to move in a different direction in a year. The Vikings have a 46-35-1 record since signing Kirk Cousins in 2018, but that has resulted in just two playoff trips and one postseason win. With the general manager and head coach that brought Cousins on board both gone, the new brain trust may be ready for a split. If the team does let him walk, expect another franchise to give Cousins a pricey, multi-year contract.
SOURCE: Kevin Seifert on Twitter
Jun 14, 2023 at 3:45 PM ET
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The Kirk Cousins delusion blows my mind. he was stellar last year behind a mediocre o-line. The guy has averaged +4000 yrds, +30TD's and ~11Ints over his three year stint in Minnesota. His is a top 10 QB in the NFL. He is clearly an awesome team guy as that Netflix show illustrated.

I swear people think elite QB1s grow on trees. There is no one to replace him with that would be an upgrade.
 
zoonation said:
The Kirk Cousins delusion blows my mind. he was stellar last year behind a mediocre o-line. The guy has averaged +4000 yrds, +30TD's and ~11Ints over his three year stint in Minnesota. His is a top 10 QB in the NFL. He is clearly an awesome team guy as that Netflix show illustrated.

I swear people think elite QB1s grow on trees. There is no one to replace him with that would be an upgrade.
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Yeah from what I gathered from The Quarterbacks is he might not be as naturally gifted/talented as Mahomes, and he might have the personalty of Ned Flanders, but he respects and studies the game. By comparison Mariota came off like a guy in a weekend rec league.
 
RenegadeRoy said:
zoonation said:
The Kirk Cousins delusion blows my mind. he was stellar last year behind a mediocre o-line. The guy has averaged +4000 yrds, +30TD's and ~11Ints over his three year stint in Minnesota. His is a top 10 QB in the NFL. He is clearly an awesome team guy as that Netflix show illustrated.

I swear people think elite QB1s grow on trees. There is no one to replace him with that would be an upgrade.
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Yeah from what I gathered from The Quarterbacks is he might not be as naturally gifted/talented as Mahomes, and he might have the personalty of Ned Flanders, but he respects and studies the game. By comparison Mariota came off like a guy in a weekend rec league.
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Cousins complains a lot but I'm sure those hits hurt. He absolutely could lead a team to a championship with the players around him.
 
Watching Addison last night. If you are a believer he can contribute pretty quickly. You have Jefferson, Addison, Osborne and Hockenson.

If you add to the fact that Mattison might be decent running back, but nothing fancy.

Then couple the fact that the defense was awful last year and not sure if it’s going to be better this year.

This could be an offense that throws A LOT this year.

I’ve never owned Kirk in fantasy, he won’t get you any rushing yards, but he could easily put up some monster stats at a pretty cheap ADP if things really click with that receiving crew.
 
As I figured, all the rushing QBs went earlier in my draft than I was willing to pay so I sat back and waited. Nabbed Cousins and Geno in back to back rounds. I think my Vikings are going to throw even more this year 4,500 & 30 seems like a fair estimate for captain Kirk. I’ll cross my fingers and hope for more
 
Kirk Cousins completed 33-of-44 passes for 344 yards, two touchdowns, an interception, and two fumbles in the Vikings’ 20-17, Week 1 loss to Buccaneers

In a day where the Vikings committed many errors, Kirk Cousins had three critical turnovers against the Buccaneers. His first fumble came on offensive line error after center Garrett Bradbury left the game due to injury. However, his second fumble killed a drive and his interception was into tight coverage in the red zone at the end of the first half. The Vikings’ pass game was not bad and Cousins connected with Jordan Addison and Alexander Mattison for touchdowns, but crucial errors hurt the offense in the first half, while it stagnated in the second half. Justin Jefferson was Cousins’ most reliable target, something that won’t change any time soon. Minnesota has a short turnaround to a Thursday night game and Cousins will be a borderline-QB1 if he can clean up on turnovers next week against the Eagles.
- Rotoworld
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He also had a TD in the second half. That INT right before the half really hurt. Not a great throw but KJ has to crash to catch that. It was right at the goal line.
 
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spurs44 said:
Andy Dufresne said:
Monty Burns said:
taylormeetstheismann said:
Great stats. Did anyone see the fumbles? How bad were they?
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90% sure both were on exchanges from the center on the snap.....couldn't tell who's fault
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Pulling guard knocked it out of his hand on the exchange. Blind side blitzing safety got the second.

You know, two things Kirk should have seen coming
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Forgive me but are you being sarcastic?
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Yes. Kirk has his limitations but the only thing he hasn't been blamed for is goading Gavrilo Princip into assassinating Archduke Ferdinand.
 
Andy Dufresne said:
spurs44 said:
Andy Dufresne said:
Monty Burns said:
taylormeetstheismann said:
Great stats. Did anyone see the fumbles? How bad were they?
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90% sure both were on exchanges from the center on the snap.....couldn't tell who's fault
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Pulling guard knocked it out of his hand on the exchange. Blind side blitzing safety got the second.

You know, two things Kirk should have seen coming
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Forgive me but are you being sarcastic?
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Yes. Kirk has his limitations but the only thing he hasn't been blamed for is goading Gavrilo Princip into assassinating Archduke Ferdinand.
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Give 'Purple Daily' time...
 
Andy Dufresne said:
spurs44 said:
Andy Dufresne said:
Monty Burns said:
taylormeetstheismann said:
Great stats. Did anyone see the fumbles? How bad were they?
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90% sure both were on exchanges from the center on the snap.....couldn't tell who's fault
Click to expand...
Pulling guard knocked it out of his hand on the exchange. Blind side blitzing safety got the second.

You know, two things Kirk should have seen coming
Click to expand...
Forgive me but are you being sarcastic?
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Yes. Kirk has his limitations but the only thing he hasn't been blamed for is goading Gavrilo Princip into assassinating Archduke Ferdinand.
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I heard he would have, but he fumbled the opportunity.
 
three turnovers is bad but one was a fluky (OL punching ball out), one was a football play (safety blindsided him - it happens) and the third could be put to blame 40(WR)-60(Cousins) with the WR as even though the throw was slightly behind it was a better spot because leading him would have brought him into the safety. The throw could have been better but the WR could have done better too.
 
Andy Dufresne said:
spurs44 said:
Andy Dufresne said:
Monty Burns said:
taylormeetstheismann said:
Great stats. Did anyone see the fumbles? How bad were they?
Click to expand...
90% sure both were on exchanges from the center on the snap.....couldn't tell who's fault
Click to expand...
Pulling guard knocked it out of his hand on the exchange. Blind side blitzing safety got the second.

You know, two things Kirk should have seen coming
Click to expand...
Forgive me but are you being sarcastic?
Click to expand...
Yes. Kirk has his limitations but the only thing he hasn't been blamed for is goading Gavrilo Princip into assassinating Archduke Ferdinand.
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😆 seems that way. All I know is he's by far the most under-rated qb in football. For all the preseason talk I heard about them wanting to run the ball more I think we saw yesterday that they will still throw the ball like last year and in my opinion even more with the addition of Addison. Plus, Mattson is jag.
 
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