QB Kyler Murray, ARZ (1 Viewer)

[Chaka]

Drafting tonight and Kyler is my number 2 projected QB for the year.

I also owned him last year, so maybe I just want some redemption.

I know Hop is suspended and Kirk is gone.

Someone talk me off this ledge.

Seriously man (woman, them etc). You want a plug-and-play, fire-and-forget guy in there. That's Herbert and Burrow, Murray means you need to move earlier on potential streaming options in case Murray isn't available, or he fades again like he has for the past three seasons.

Freak injuries can happen, it happened to Burrow, but Murray puts himself in line for more hits than your other options and his dynamism isn't worth the risk when guys like Herbert and Burrow and Mahomes are available. I also think Lamar is better suited to withstand the big hits than Murray and is just as dynamic.

 

[Deamon]

Drafting tonight and Kyler is my number 2 projected QB for the year.

I also owned him last year, so maybe I just want some redemption.

I know Hop is suspended and Kirk is gone.

Someone talk me off this ledge.

FWIW Kyler is FBG #3 QB (and is only a few projected points behind Herbert).
So I think he's a great pick. Especially since you can probably get him 1-2 rounds after Herbert and Mahomes. Wait until Herbert, Mahomes, and maybe even Lamar go, and then grab him in the next round if he's there and that's fantastic value.

 

[Deamon]

Drafting tonight and Kyler is my number 2 projected QB for the year.

I also owned him last year, so maybe I just want some redemption.

I know Hop is suspended and Kirk is gone.

Someone talk me off this ledge.

Seriously man (woman, them etc). You want a plug-and-play, fire-and-forget guy in there. That's Herbert and Burrow, Murray means you need to move earlier on potential streaming options in case Murray isn't available, or he fades again like he has for the past three seasons.

Freak injuries can happen, it happened to Burrow, but Murray puts himself in line for more hits than your other options and his dynamism isn't worth the risk when guys like Herbert and Burrow and Mahomes are available. I also think Lamar is better suited to withstand the big hits than Murray and is just as dynamic.

Sure but do you take Herbert in the 4th or Murray in the 6th? FBG has Murray 0.2 PPG less than Herbert over the season (so practically identical) and you can either have a 4th round or 6th round RB/WR to tag along with him.

We can talk in circles (and I'm sure you will) about Murray's projections, but if the OP believes in him as much as the professionals at FBG do, then Kyler is an amazing pick 2 rounds after Herbert and Mahomes.

 

[Chaka]

Drafting tonight and Kyler is my number 2 projected QB for the year.

I also owned him last year, so maybe I just want some redemption.

I know Hop is suspended and Kirk is gone.

Someone talk me off this ledge.

Seriously man (woman, them etc). You want a plug-and-play, fire-and-forget guy in there. That's Herbert and Burrow, Murray means you need to move earlier on potential streaming options in case Murray isn't available, or he fades again like he has for the past three seasons.

Freak injuries can happen, it happened to Burrow, but Murray puts himself in line for more hits than your other options and his dynamism isn't worth the risk when guys like Herbert and Burrow and Mahomes are available. I also think Lamar is better suited to withstand the big hits than Murray and is just as dynamic.

Sure but do you take Herbert in the 4th or Murray in the 6th? FBG has Murray 0.2 PPG less than Herbert over the season (so practically identical) and you can either have a 4th round or 6th round RB/WR to tag along with him.

We can talk in circles (and I'm sure you will) about Murray's projections, but if the OP believes in him as much as the professionals at FBG do, then Kyler is an amazing pick 2 rounds after Herbert and Mahomes.

4th & 6th rounds??

1QB leagues are so silly. Both are first round picks in any sane world. 1QB leagues are amateur hour.

 

[Deamon]

1QB leagues are so silly. Both are first round picks in any sane world. 1QB leagues are amateur hour.

Not even going to get into this with you.

 

[Chaka]

1QB leagues are so silly. Both are first round picks in any sane world. 1QB leagues are amateur hour.

Not even going to get into this with you.

It's good that you recognize you are on the wrong side of history.

 

[Deamon]

1QB leagues are so silly. Both are first round picks in any sane world. 1QB leagues are amateur hour.

Not even going to get into this with you.

It's good that you recognize you are on the wrong side of history.

lol hey old man, you play in ONE fantasy league and it's a rare (and garbage) 2qb league so enough out of you!*





* I'm 85% kidding

 

[Chaka]

1QB leagues are so silly. Both are first round picks in any sane world. 1QB leagues are amateur hour.

Not even going to get into this with you.

It's good that you recognize you are on the wrong side of history.

lol hey old man, you play in ONE fantasy league and it's a rare (and garbage) 2qb league so enough out of you!*





* I'm 85% kidding

No worries on the kidding, I get it. Never change that.

But 1) after 18 years and about 45,000 posts I think it is reasonable to assume that I am in one league by choice. 2) It's reasonable to assume that I am, at least, cursorially familiar with virtually all league formats so 3) I have had plenty of time to evaluate the pros and cons of different league formats and lead me to the conclusion that 4) Any league where literally, not figuratively, the best player in the NFL is a fourth round pick, at best, is inherently nonsensical. And finally 5) Over the past 18 years or so I have heard every defense of 1QB leagues out there and the only sincere argument for not to change distills down to "We've always done it that way".

It's foolishness, there is nothing about magic football that reflects real world football. And if that is truly your goal, making RBs so valuable is doing it wrong
Leagues change all the time but almost never on QBs.

WRs undervalued? Add PPR!
TEs undervalued? Let's give them 1.5 PPR!
What about the defense? Let's add IDP!
But
QBs undervalued? #### 'em!!!

Who cares if in a real draft of all existing NFL players; QBs would be the top 15 players drafted, maybe more. And 90% of all RBs would be drafted after the best kickers. Let's make the most fungible player on the roster the most valuable in magic football and never change it!!!

It's nonsense.

 

[Deamon]

No worries on the kidding, I get it. Never change that.

But 1) after 18 years and about 45,000 posts I think it is reasonable to assume that I am in one league by choice. 2) It's reasonable to assume that I am, at least, cursorially familiar with virtually all league formats so 3) I have had plenty of time to evaluate the pros and cons of different league formats and check me to the conclusion that 4) Any league where literally, not figuratively, the best player in the NFL is a fourth round pick, at best, is inherently nonsensical. And finally 5) Over the past 18 years or so I have heard every defense of 1QB leagues out there and the only sincere argument for not to change distills down to "We've always done it that way".

It's foolishness, there is nothing about magic football that reflects real world football. And if that is truly your goal, making RBs so valuable is doing it wrong
Leagues change all the time but almost never on QBs.

WRs undervalued? Add PPR!
TEs undervalued? Let's give them 1.5 PPR!
What about the defense? Let's add IDP!
But
QBs undervalued? #### 'em!!!

Who cares if in a real draft of all existing NFL players; QBs would be the top 15 players drafted, maybe more. And 90% of all RBs would be drafted after the best kickers. Let's make the most fungible player on the roster the most valuable in magic football and never change it!!!

It's nonsense.

k.

 

[TheWinz]

No worries on the kidding, I get it. Never change that.

But 1) after 18 years and about 45,000 posts I think it is reasonable to assume that I am in one league by choice. 2) It's reasonable to assume that I am, at least, cursorially familiar with virtually all league formats so 3) I have had plenty of time to evaluate the pros and cons of different league formats and check me to the conclusion that 4) Any league where literally, not figuratively, the best player in the NFL is a fourth round pick, at best, is inherently nonsensical. And finally 5) Over the past 18 years or so I have heard every defense of 1QB leagues out there and the only sincere argument for not to change distills down to "We've always done it that way".

It's foolishness, there is nothing about magic football that reflects real world football. And if that is truly your goal, making RBs so valuable is doing it wrong
Leagues change all the time but almost never on QBs.

WRs undervalued? Add PPR!
TEs undervalued? Let's give them 1.5 PPR!
What about the defense? Let's add IDP!
But
QBs undervalued? #### 'em!!!

Who cares if in a real draft of all existing NFL players; QBs would be the top 15 players drafted, maybe more. And 90% of all RBs would be drafted after the best kickers. Let's make the most fungible player on the roster the most valuable in magic football and never change it!!!

It's nonsense.

I'm sorry, but what does any of this have to do with Kyler Murray? This is the Kyler Murray thread - not the I hate 1 QB leagues thread. OK, back to question - If I kidnapped you, held you hostage, gave you a cyanide pill, and forced you to play a 1 QB league, would you A) take Herbert in the 4th, or B) Murray in the 6th, or C) refuse to draft and take the pill?

 

[Chaka]

No worries on the kidding, I get it. Never change that.

But 1) after 18 years and about 45,000 posts I think it is reasonable to assume that I am in one league by choice. 2) It's reasonable to assume that I am, at least, cursorially familiar with virtually all league formats so 3) I have had plenty of time to evaluate the pros and cons of different league formats and check me to the conclusion that 4) Any league where literally, not figuratively, the best player in the NFL is a fourth round pick, at best, is inherently nonsensical. And finally 5) Over the past 18 years or so I have heard every defense of 1QB leagues out there and the only sincere argument for not to change distills down to "We've always done it that way".

It's foolishness, there is nothing about magic football that reflects real world football. And if that is truly your goal, making RBs so valuable is doing it wrong
Leagues change all the time but almost never on QBs.

WRs undervalued? Add PPR!
TEs undervalued? Let's give them 1.5 PPR!
What about the defense? Let's add IDP!
But
QBs undervalued? #### 'em!!!

Who cares if in a real draft of all existing NFL players; QBs would be the top 15 players drafted, maybe more. And 90% of all RBs would be drafted after the best kickers. Let's make the most fungible player on the roster the most valuable in magic football and never change it!!!

It's nonsense.

I'm sorry, but what does any of this have to do with Kyler Murray? This is the Kyler Murray thread - not the I hate 1 QB leagues thread. OK, back to question - If I kidnapped you, held you hostage, gave you a cyanide pill, and forced you to play a 1 QB league, would you A) take Herbert in the 4th, or B) Murray in the 6th, or C) refuse to draft and take the pill?

Asked and answered above.

Herbert all day because you will have to invest more draft capital to backstop Murray than Herbert.

 

[VikingFrog]

Asked and answered above.

Herbert all day because you will have to invest more draft capital to backstop Murray than Herbert.

I don’t carry two QBs unless I’m streaming. If Murray goes down, it’s off to the wire to find someone serviceable. No draft capital necessary in that strategy.

 

[Chaka]

Asked and answered above.

Herbert all day because you will have to invest more draft capital to backstop Murray than Herbert.

I don’t carry two QBs unless I’m streaming. If Murray goes down, it’s off to the wire to find someone serviceable. No draft capital necessary in that strategy.

Hey, go nuts then.

Still Herbert for me. Zero dropoff in two seasons and room to improve. He has 5,000 yard & 40+ TD upside and could still add 200-300 rushing with 3-5 TDs.

Murray doesn't have that passing upside and 800 rush yards & 11 TDs feels more and more like an aberration than a reasonable benchmark. And Murray has far more consistency & health concerns.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

It's nonsense.

Your post?

 

[Manster]

Just wanted to say I agree with Chakas take on QB value......my fave league by far is two QB league and the studs go in the 1st as it really should be.......doesn't have to be a pissing match though cuz after all, this is fake football.......we can all disagree and go about our merry way.

Back to Kyler.....love the talent but he gets dinged up, and peters out. However, I am intrigued by the Hollywood Brown hookup, especially in my distance TD league.

If I were unbiased, I would take Herbert all day, every day over Murray, but since I can't allow myself to draft former ducks he's on my DND list. Silly? Perhaps, but I don't want any dirty ducks on my team.

 

[-jb-]

I drafted Kyler in my big $ league this weekend three rounds behind Mahomes and Herbert and a round behind Lamar (and Hurts!). Yooge drop off after that. Was hoping to get Lance later (2 QB roster requirement, which inhibits streaming and increases QB value without a 2QB starting requirement).

 

[Chaka]

@VikingFrog if you want to play the waiting game I would personally make a play for Lamar Jackson.

He won't put up the passing yardage like Murray but he's always had a good TD efficiency and he is far more likely to approach his rushing yardage and TD upside.

 

[VikingFrog]

@VikingFrog if you want to play the waiting game I would personally make a play for Lamar Jackson.

He won't put up the passing yardage like Murray but he's always had a good TD efficiency and he is far more likely to approach his rushing yardage and TD upside.

I got Murray in round 6.

Lamar went with the 42nd pick in my draft.
Mahomes 40
Herbert 24

 

[VikingFrog]

I drafted Kyler in my big $ league this weekend three rounds behind Mahomes and Herbert and a round behind Lamar (and Hurts!). Yooge drop off after that. Was hoping to get Lance later (2 QB roster requirement, which inhibits streaming and increases QB value without a 2QB starting requirement).

That’s an interesting roster requirement that absorbs the pool a little bit for those of us that don’t play in 2QB leagues.

 

[Deamon]

Just wanted to say I agree with Chakas take on QB value......my fave league by far is two QB league and the studs go in the 1st as it really should be.......doesn't have to be a pissing match though cuz after all, this is fake football.......we can all disagree and go about our merry way.

Back to Kyler.....love the talent but he gets dinged up, and peters out. However, I am intrigued by the Hollywood Brown hookup, especially in my distance TD league.

If I were unbiased, I would take Herbert all day, every day over Murray, but since I can't allow myself to draft former ducks he's on my DND list. Silly? Perhaps, but I don't want any dirty ducks on my team.

I think more leagues are 1qb than 2qb, so if commenting on this about 2qb leagues you should specify as that changes everything.
I'm obviously with you on the Herbert hate and people were surprised by it haha. Go Beavs!

 

[Deamon]

@VikingFrog if you want to play the waiting game I would personally make a play for Lamar Jackson.

He won't put up the passing yardage like Murray but he's always had a good TD efficiency and he is far more likely to approach his rushing yardage and TD upside.

I got Murray in round 6.

Lamar went with the 42nd pick in my draft.
Mahomes 40
Herbert 24

Fantastic value here then. All day you take Murray in round 6 when ALlen, Herbert, Mahomes, and Lamar all go round 2/3/4

 

[Chaka]

(2 QB roster requirement, which inhibits streaming and increases QB value without a 2QB starting requirement)

Better than nothing.

 

[Manster]

Just wanted to say I agree with Chakas take on QB value......my fave league by far is two QB league and the studs go in the 1st as it really should be.......doesn't have to be a pissing match though cuz after all, this is fake football.......we can all disagree and go about our merry way.

Back to Kyler.....love the talent but he gets dinged up, and peters out. However, I am intrigued by the Hollywood Brown hookup, especially in my distance TD league.

If I were unbiased, I would take Herbert all day, every day over Murray, but since I can't allow myself to draft former ducks he's on my DND list. Silly? Perhaps, but I don't want any dirty ducks on my team.

I think more leagues are 1qb than 2qb, so if commenting on this about 2qb leagues you should specify as that changes everything.
I'm obviously with you on the Herbert hate and people were surprised by it haha. Go Beavs!

I'll be at the BSU game......gonna be a good one! Reser should be rockin!

I think the big picture with QB value is an interesting topic. I play in leagues where it's customary to devalue them and wait like everyone says you should.......never seems right to me though. THE most important position on the field by a long shot, and we constantly try to devalue them in FF. The stud RB model is a dying model. There are things to do to add value to RB's, but not at the expense of QB's, imo.

 

[Manster]

@VikingFrog if you want to play the waiting game I would personally make a play for Lamar Jackson.

He won't put up the passing yardage like Murray but he's always had a good TD efficiency and he is far more likely to approach his rushing yardage and TD upside.

I got Murray in round 6.

Lamar went with the 42nd pick in my draft.
Mahomes 40
Herbert 24

Nice value.....I'd wait until Murray lights up the first 4 weeks and trade high

 

[The Frankman]

Kyler Murray completed 22-of-34 pass attempts for 193 yards and two touchdowns in the Cardinals' 44-21 Week 1 loss to the Chiefs, adding five rushes for 29 yards.​

The Cardinals offense was predicated on Murray making miraculous escapes from a collapsing pocket and throwing on the run to one of the league's worst receivers groups. Murray targeted the unheralded Greg Dortch a team-high nine times and Marquise Brown six times. Arizona seems to have no offensive identity without DeAndre Hopkins, who will miss the season's first six weeks while serving a suspension. Murray appeared frustrated early and often -- an unsurprising development for the leader of an offense that hasn't looked right since the first half of last season. Murray's rushing prospects make him a high-end QB1 option every week, including in Week 2 against the Raiders.
- NBCSportsEDGE

 

[Banger]

Didn’t watch the whole game but saw a number of times at the end of the first half where he could’ve/should’ve run but instead tried to force passes that weren’t there. I hope he doesn’t think he’s a pocket passer and stops the scrambling that’s made him the qb he is.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I think the Cardinals are going to regret that contract. Murray just seems to come up small (no pun intended) in big games.

 

[Banger]

I think the Cardinals are going to regret that contract. Murray just seems to come up small (no pun intended) in big games.

he doesn't have a ton of weapons now with Moore, Hopkins out but his best attribute is his running ability and there were plenty of chances in the plays that I watched where he should've run...just worried that now he got paid, he's going to be a pocket passer. I don't think that will be good for NFL or fantasy success.

 

[kutta]

I think the Cardinals are going to regret that contract. Murray just seems to come up small (no pun intended) in big games.

I totally agree. I was opposed to extending both Kyler and Kilff this offseason. Just dumb. The Cards are not winning the SB with either one of these guys.

I was at the game yesterday, and the contrast between Mahomes/Reid and Kyler/Kliff was stark. If you're going to pay Kyler like you pay Mahomes, the difference should not be that vast.

 

[kface]

I think the Cardinals are going to regret that contract. Murray just seems to come up small (no pun intended) in big games.

I totally agree. I was opposed to extending both Kyler and Kilff this offseason. Just dumb. The Cards are not winning the SB with either one of these guys.

I was at the game yesterday, and the contrast between Mahomes/Reid and Kyler/Kliff was stark. If you're going to pay Kyler like you pay Mahomes, the difference should not be that vast.

I'm with you guys on this one too. He just doesn't have 'it' however you define it...

 

[Guss]

He is a small, quick QB with limited arm strength. Add in he is soft and not any type of winner and this team is going no where.

He is not all that good when the game is on the line or any big moment for that matter.
You can see that he is mentally weak and soft. He does not rise to the occasion when it is needed from your franchise QB

Cardinals made a huge mistake hitching themselves to this loser

 

[Da Guru]

I think the Cardinals are going to regret that contract. Murray just seems to come up small (no pun intended) in big games.

I totally agree. I was opposed to extending both Kyler and Kilff this offseason. Just dumb. The Cards are not winning the SB with either one of these guys.

I was at the game yesterday, and the contrast between Mahomes/Reid and Kyler/Kliff was stark. If you're going to pay Kyler like you pay Mahomes, the difference should not be that vast.

Other than the garbage time points when game was well decided Murray looked terrible. Murrays deal will get Cliff fired.

 

[TampaMike19]

I wonder if he knows he could bail for baseball at any point in time because he's "ridiculously talented." He is extremely talented. But does he want it enough? Doesn't seem like it. Seems he's riding off of the talent like a lot of people do and get complacent. That video game clause was insane lol

NFL is full of hungry players that really want it...so the Cardinals look like they're going for the top 10 in the draft. The owner even resigned these clowns to longer extensions, proving he's content with mediocrity as long as tickets sell and revenue comes in.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I wonder if he knows he could bail for baseball at any point in time because he's "ridiculously talented." He is extremely talented. But does he want it enough? Doesn't seem like it. Seems he's riding off of the talent like a lot of people do and get complacent. That video game clause was insane lol

NFL is full of hungry players that really want it...so the Cardinals look like they're going for the top 10 in the draft. The owner even resigned these clowns to longer extensions, proving he's content with mediocrity as long as tickets sell and revenue comes in

I hate to say it but I also think he's just too tiny to play QB in this league. He looks like a child trying to compete against men. He's obviously very talented but I just don't think he can see over the linemen and he just can't physically compete with such giant men surrounding him.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Maybe if he studies the playbook for five hours a week, that will fix the problems.

 

[:deadbevo:]

You knew everything you ever needed to know about Kyler in the Dan Patrick interview.

No presence, awkward, needing a booster seat.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Just saw this clip on TikTok - language warning, he curses a couple of times.

But it’s a good observation.

Coach Jason Brown on TikTok

He dont get it!! But you paid him how much? @sixzeroacademy_60 @thecoachjbshow 😂 #coachjb #nfl #filmstudy #football #coaching #fyp

www.tiktok.com

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Maybe if he studies the playbook for five hours a week, that will fix the problems.

See the clip I just posted. Man.

 

[Mitchie]

Giving him all that dough, smh. Cardinals are screwed for years to come.

 

[Stuart Ullman]

Cardinals fan here. Was never happy about the contract but he's a lot better than what we've had here in the past.

Couldn't be more apparent that our little kid QB can't see over the line and make reads in the middle of the field. Throw in his video game addiction and he has quickly become public enemy #1.


MAYBE if we had a run game you could move the pocket enough on play-action to fake it. But you can't expect him to drop back that many times and excel. Not a pro QB but his mobility masks those deficiencies enough. He got paid WAY, WAY too much and now we're stuck with him.

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[Faust]

How Kyler Murray’s wild 2-point conversion, fourth-quarter magic fueled Cardinals comeback vs. Raiders: ‘I had to take over’

Kyler Murray Shows 'Why You Pay' Him $230.5M in Cardinals' OT Win vs. Raiders

 

[kutta]

Gutsy win and Kyler came through. But let’s be real - the Cards aren’t winning a super bowl with him, and paying him that much was ridiculous.

 

[Mongidig]

Kyler will be QB 1 after Hopkins gets back and Rondale is healthy.

 

[:deadbevo:]

Kyler will be QB 1 after Hopkins gets back and Rondale is healthy.

Name 5 QBs worse than him.

 

[:deadbevo:]

Kyler Murray Shows 'Why You Pay' Him $230.5M in Cardinals' OT Win vs. Raiders

LOL

 

[Schmeabs]

King of garbage time points

 

[Mongidig]

Kyler will be QB 1 after Hopkins gets back and Rondale is healthy.

Name 5 QBs worse than him.

Daniel Jones,
Geno Smith
Mitch Trubisky
Ryan Tannehill
Jacoby Brissett.

 

[Houston turmOiler]

Kyler will be QB 1 after Hopkins gets back and Rondale is healthy.

Name 5 QBs worse than him.

Daniel Jones,
Geno Smith
Mitch Trubisky
Ryan Tannehill
Jacoby Brissett.

Davis Mills
Baker Mayfield
Joe Flacco
Mac Jones
Trevor Lawrence

 

[:deadbevo:]

Kyler will be QB 1 after Hopkins gets back and Rondale is healthy.

Name 5 QBs worse than him.

Daniel Jones,
Geno Smith
Mitch Trubisky
Ryan Tannehill
Jacoby Brissett.

Davis Mills
Baker Mayfield
Joe Flacco
Mac Jones
Trevor Lawrence

X

But you are on the right track with this list. A good start to the tier he belongs in.

 

[Deamon]

King of garbage time points

Not sure how it's "garbage time" when they won the game lol