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QB Kyler Murray, ARZ (3 Viewers)

Not sure how it's "garbage time" when they won the game lol

Apparently any FF points scored in the 4th Q are devalued now?

TBF that’s two weeks in a row he’s saved the day with a productive 4th quarter. I have Kyler & Hollywood, last couple drives my win probability went from 30% to 66%.
 
Looks to me like someone tried to smack him on the shoulder pads just as he turned away. Either way it was a glancing blow at best.
 

Kyler Murray completed 37-of-58 passes for 314 yards in the Cardinals' 20-12, Week 3 loss to the Rams.​

Murray "added" eight rushing yards on two carries, and the Cardinals simply couldn't find the end zone, instead settling for four Matt Prater field goals despite running 81 offensive plays. Murray's 58 pass attempts were the most of his career, and his main target was Marquise Brown, who went 14/140 on 17 looks. The Rams own the Cardinals under coach Sean McVay, and Murray always seems to struggle against them. Murray's pass-catchers also didn't help him by dropping between 5-10 catchable balls. He needs DeAndre Hopkins and Rondale Moore back in the lineup. Murray will be an upside QB1 next week when the Cardinals go to Carolina.
Sep 25, 2022, 7:30 PM ET
 
So do I have this right……he ran a lot which got him paid and now that he’s been paid and he stopped running?
That has been a little weird. Feels like someone (Kingsbury or Keim I'd guess) wanted him to run less in an effort to increase the chances of playing a full season. That said, I'd rather take my chances than limit my offense.

I feel bad for Murray so far this season. I can't remember seeing as many drops by a pass catching group in a 3-week span. Today there were probably 10 straight drops, and not just by the guys who are only playing due to injury, guys like Ertz and Conner were butterfingers today.
 
So do I have this right……he ran a lot which got him paid and now that he’s been paid and he stopped running?
Yup. What made him special was his speed and running ability. He's not a pocket passer. I mean, the guy is 5'9" with his platform shoes on. He can't see the field, and if any D-lineman is in front of him it's a given that his pass will get batted down. I believe his first running attempt tonight was late in the 3rd quarter. You know what that tells me? He's a *****. He's my #1 QB and I don't have a good #2, but I am selling him this week for pennies on the dollar. Biggest mistake in my draft this year.
 
So do I have this right……he ran a lot which got him paid and now that he’s been paid and he stopped running?
That has been a little weird. Feels like someone (Kingsbury or Keim I'd guess) wanted him to run less in an effort to increase the chances of playing a full season. That said, I'd rather take my chances than limit my offense.

I feel bad for Murray so far this season. I can't remember seeing as many drops by a pass catching group in a 3-week span. Today there were probably 10 straight drops, and not just by the guys who are only playing due to injury, guys like Ertz and Conner were butterfingers today.
That's a fair statement, there were a lot of drops today. But some of those drops were on what I would call "tough passes". You know how there are some QB's that lay it in there perfectly? Yeah, that's not Kyler.
 
When I watch Kyler, it's never a comfortable experience. Even when he succeeds it looks difficult. I can't describe it, but the mark of a great QB is that he makes it look easy. I saw that with Tom Brady in his first few games. Aaron Rodgers too. I don't know, seems like the little guy is swimming against the tide. And when he stops running, it's goodnight nurse. (shoutout to Nurse Ratchet)
 
So do I have this right……he ran a lot which got him paid and now that he’s been paid and he stopped running?
That has been a little weird. Feels like someone (Kingsbury or Keim I'd guess) wanted him to run less in an effort to increase the chances of playing a full season. That said, I'd rather take my chances than limit my offense.

I feel bad for Murray so far this season. I can't remember seeing as many drops by a pass catching group in a 3-week span. Today there were probably 10 straight drops, and not just by the guys who are only playing due to injury, guys like Ertz and Conner were butterfingers today.
That's a fair statement, there were a lot of drops today. But some of those drops were on what I would call "tough passes". You know how there are some QB's that lay it in there perfectly? Yeah, that's not Kyler.

Like the Ertz pass where he had to try to spin around in the air and reach way behind him.

Some how that was labelled a drop. More like amazing athleticism and body control to even get a hand on it.
 
Things are gonna get way better once Rondale and Nuke get back right? Seems like a good buy low?
Yes, and also, things haven't been that bad. He's QB7 right now. I'm very confident he'll finish ahead of Wentz, and pretty confident he'll finish ahead of Tua.
And he’s done it all in two seconds halves for the most part.

His opening drives/halves are horribly frustrating to watch.
 
When I watch Kyler, it's never a comfortable experience. Even when he succeeds it looks difficult. I can't describe it, but the mark of a great QB is that he makes it look easy. I saw that with Tom Brady in his first few games. Aaron Rodgers too. I don't know, seems like the little guy is swimming against the tide. And when he stops running, it's goodnight nurse. (shoutout to Nurse Ratchet)
I get what you are saying about him not making it look easy, but I'm sure it matters. I always felt Russell Wilson had that same issue, of it always looking a little, let's say sandlot.

Side note: Watching "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" as an adult vs a teenager is an interesting experience. As a teen, I was like yeah, this is BS. As an almost 40 year old, Nurse Ratchet is in the right for like 80% of the movie.

Things are gonna get way better once Rondale and Nuke get back right? Seems like a good buy low?
Yes, and also, things haven't been that bad. He's QB7 right now. I'm very confident he'll finish ahead of Wentz, and pretty confident he'll finish ahead of Tua.
And he’s done it all in two seconds halves for the most part.

His opening drives/halves are horribly frustrating to watch.
Agreed. Kingsbury's scripted 15 are basically trash week in and week out. That said, QB7 without 2 of his top-3 WRs screams buy-low to me.
 
Color me naive, but I was expecting more than four fantasy points in rushing through three weeks. That said, there is more than enough blame to go around between Kyler, Kliff, drops, and injuries.

Just brutal.
 
He’s been my biggest regret so far this season and I’m losing confidence he will turn it around. From what I’ve watched he looks pretty bad
 
Color me naive, but I was expecting more than four fantasy points in rushing through three weeks. That said, there is more than enough blame to go around between Kyler, Kliff, drops, and injuries.

Just brutal.
He's at 4 per game. Not 4 overall. He's on pace (admittedly small sample size) for 368-6 on the ground. Yards will likely come up, TDs sound like a fair over/under.

ETA: I'm really not getting all the doom and gloom in here. Again, he's QB7, without 2 of his top-3 WRs. He's outscored Justin Herbert, Joe Burrow, Matt Stafford, Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson, and Tom Brady, and he's going to see every bit the WR upgrade Brady will with guys returning, arguably more so, as I don't think we can really count on Julio Jones getting/staying healthy at all.
 
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Color me naive, but I was expecting more than four fantasy points in rushing through three weeks. That said, there is more than enough blame to go around between Kyler, Kliff, drops, and injuries.

Just brutal.
He's at 4 per game. Not 4 overall. He's on pace (admittedly small sample size) for 368-6 on the ground. Yards will likely come up, TDs sound like a fair over/under.

ETA: I'm really not getting all the doom and gloom in here. Again, he's QB7, without 2 of his top-3 WRs. He's outscored Justin Herbert, Joe Burrow, Matt Stafford, Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson, and Tom Brady, and he's going to see every bit the WR upgrade Brady will with guys returning, arguably more so, as I don't think we can really count on Julio Jones getting/staying healthy at all.

I’ll concede in decimal based scoring, this is true. Unfortunately I have him where we are not using decimals. He’s gotten me 4 pts on the ground.

I’m in two run of the mill yahoo leagues, where he’s QB9 and QB11.

I get your point though. I think we are all just reacting viscerally to the comparison of what we thought we were drafting with what plays are being called, and what has consistently been left on the field. It’s painful.

This team is in shambles. Literally no one on offense looks like they know what they’re doing.

Their locker room is a real life #spider-manpointing gif.
 
Got paid and just wants to chill. Can’t blame him. I do blame the GM and coaching staff though. They got offered an extension and literally laughed all of the way to the bank and signed it without hesitation.

Cardinals could suck for the next decade
 
I haven't watched an AZ game yet but seems like a buy low to me. Rondale and Hopkins coming back should change things for the better for that offense.
 
Color me naive, but I was expecting more than four fantasy points in rushing through three weeks. That said, there is more than enough blame to go around between Kyler, Kliff, drops, and injuries.

Just brutal.
He's at 4 per game. Not 4 overall. He's on pace (admittedly small sample size) for 368-6 on the ground. Yards will likely come up, TDs sound like a fair over/under.

ETA: I'm really not getting all the doom and gloom in here. Again, he's QB7, without 2 of his top-3 WRs. He's outscored Justin Herbert, Joe Burrow, Matt Stafford, Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson, and Tom Brady, and he's going to see every bit the WR upgrade Brady will with guys returning, arguably more so, as I don't think we can really count on Julio Jones getting/staying healthy at all.

I’ll concede in decimal based scoring, this is true. Unfortunately I have him where we are not using decimals. He’s gotten me 4 pts on the ground.

I’m in two run of the mill yahoo leagues, where he’s QB9 and QB11.

I get your point though. I think we are all just reacting viscerally to the comparison of what we thought we were drafting with what plays are being called, and what has consistently been left on the field. It’s painful.

This team is in shambles. Literally no one on offense looks like they know what they’re doing.

Their locker room is a real life #spider-manpointing gif.
How is he at 4 pts total when he has a rushing td?
 
Color me naive, but I was expecting more than four fantasy points in rushing through three weeks. That said, there is more than enough blame to go around between Kyler, Kliff, drops, and injuries.

Just brutal.
He's at 4 per game. Not 4 overall. He's on pace (admittedly small sample size) for 368-6 on the ground. Yards will likely come up, TDs sound like a fair over/under.

ETA: I'm really not getting all the doom and gloom in here. Again, he's QB7, without 2 of his top-3 WRs. He's outscored Justin Herbert, Joe Burrow, Matt Stafford, Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson, and Tom Brady, and he's going to see every bit the WR upgrade Brady will with guys returning, arguably more so, as I don't think we can really count on Julio Jones getting/staying healthy at all.

I’ll concede in decimal based scoring, this is true. Unfortunately I have him where we are not using decimals. He’s gotten me 4 pts on the ground.

I’m in two run of the mill yahoo leagues, where he’s QB9 and QB11.

I get your point though. I think we are all just reacting viscerally to the comparison of what we thought we were drafting with what plays are being called, and what has consistently been left on the field. It’s painful.

This team is in shambles. Literally no one on offense looks like they know what they’re doing.

Their locker room is a real life #spider-manpointing gif.
How is he at 4 pts total when he has a rushing td?

I said rushing. I didn't say TDs. Semantics. Bygones.
 
Color me naive, but I was expecting more than four fantasy points in rushing through three weeks. That said, there is more than enough blame to go around between Kyler, Kliff, drops, and injuries.

Just brutal.
He's at 4 per game. Not 4 overall. He's on pace (admittedly small sample size) for 368-6 on the ground. Yards will likely come up, TDs sound like a fair over/under.

ETA: I'm really not getting all the doom and gloom in here. Again, he's QB7, without 2 of his top-3 WRs. He's outscored Justin Herbert, Joe Burrow, Matt Stafford, Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson, and Tom Brady, and he's going to see every bit the WR upgrade Brady will with guys returning, arguably more so, as I don't think we can really count on Julio Jones getting/staying healthy at all.

I’ll concede in decimal based scoring, this is true. Unfortunately I have him where we are not using decimals. He’s gotten me 4 pts on the ground.

I’m in two run of the mill yahoo leagues, where he’s QB9 and QB11.

I get your point though. I think we are all just reacting viscerally to the comparison of what we thought we were drafting with what plays are being called, and what has consistently been left on the field. It’s painful.

This team is in shambles. Literally no one on offense looks like they know what they’re doing.

Their locker room is a real life #spider-manpointing gif.
How is he at 4 pts total when he has a rushing td?

I said rushing. I didn't say TDs. Semantics. Bygones.
You’re cherry picking…
 
Color me naive, but I was expecting more than four fantasy points in rushing through three weeks. That said, there is more than enough blame to go around between Kyler, Kliff, drops, and injuries.

Just brutal.
He's at 4 per game. Not 4 overall. He's on pace (admittedly small sample size) for 368-6 on the ground. Yards will likely come up, TDs sound like a fair over/under.

ETA: I'm really not getting all the doom and gloom in here. Again, he's QB7, without 2 of his top-3 WRs. He's outscored Justin Herbert, Joe Burrow, Matt Stafford, Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson, and Tom Brady, and he's going to see every bit the WR upgrade Brady will with guys returning, arguably more so, as I don't think we can really count on Julio Jones getting/staying healthy at all.

I’ll concede in decimal based scoring, this is true. Unfortunately I have him where we are not using decimals. He’s gotten me 4 pts on the ground.

I’m in two run of the mill yahoo leagues, where he’s QB9 and QB11.

I get your point though. I think we are all just reacting viscerally to the comparison of what we thought we were drafting with what plays are being called, and what has consistently been left on the field. It’s painful.

This team is in shambles. Literally no one on offense looks like they know what they’re doing.

Their locker room is a real life #spider-manpointing gif.
How is he at 4 pts total when he has a rushing td?

I said rushing. I didn't say TDs. Semantics. Bygones.
You’re cherry picking…

OK.
 
Cardinals are content with mediocrity and so is kyler. Match made in Heaven. If he ain’t running, he sure as hell won’t hold up throwing 50 times a game. Dark days for the cardinals
 
Only speaking from a FF perspective, I would take Kyler above all of those guys and many others even after what I have seen. And I’m frustrated AF right now.
 
ARZ should've kept that film study agreement in there. What an idiot today. One of the dumbest decisions I've seen in a QB in awhile. Gives him up short so it's 3rd and 1 and he then spikes the ball?
 
ARZ should've kept that film study agreement in there. What an idiot today. One of the dumbest decisions I've seen in a QB in awhile. Gives him up short so it's 3rd and 1 and he then spikes the ball?
I mean, it doesn't matter if the kicker makes a relatively easy kick. Yeah, it was a brain fart for Murray, but he was also the reason they were down there, with a shot to win/tie in the first place.

Obviously, you'd prefer if that didn't happen, but I wouldn't put it among the 5 dumbest decisions I saw a QB make today.
 
ARZ should've kept that film study agreement in there. What an idiot today. One of the dumbest decisions I've seen in a QB in awhile. Gives him up short so it's 3rd and 1 and he then spikes the ball?
I mean, it doesn't matter if the kicker makes a relatively easy kick. Yeah, it was a brain fart for Murray, but he was also the reason they were down there, with a shot to win/tie in the first place.

Obviously, you'd prefer if that didn't happen, but I wouldn't put it among the 5 dumbest decisions I saw a QB make today.

It was pretty bad especially for a QB who's contract originally had a study clause in it.
 
ARZ should've kept that film study agreement in there. What an idiot today. One of the dumbest decisions I've seen in a QB in awhile. Gives him up short so it's 3rd and 1 and he then spikes the ball?
I mean, it doesn't matter if the kicker makes a relatively easy kick. Yeah, it was a brain fart for Murray, but he was also the reason they were down there, with a shot to win/tie in the first place.

Obviously, you'd prefer if that didn't happen, but I wouldn't put it among the 5 dumbest decisions I saw a QB make today.

Defending Kyler at this point is a sign of desperation.

Ie owning large shares of him in fantasy football.
 
ARZ should've kept that film study agreement in there. What an idiot today. One of the dumbest decisions I've seen in a QB in awhile. Gives him up short so it's 3rd and 1 and he then spikes the ball?
I mean, it doesn't matter if the kicker makes a relatively easy kick. Yeah, it was a brain fart for Murray, but he was also the reason they were down there, with a shot to win/tie in the first place.

Obviously, you'd prefer if that didn't happen, but I wouldn't put it among the 5 dumbest decisions I saw a QB make today.
You’re probably going to be savaged when you rank him highly again this week. Just a heads up.
 
ARZ should've kept that film study agreement in there. What an idiot today. One of the dumbest decisions I've seen in a QB in awhile. Gives him up short so it's 3rd and 1 and he then spikes the ball?
I mean, it doesn't matter if the kicker makes a relatively easy kick. Yeah, it was a brain fart for Murray, but he was also the reason they were down there, with a shot to win/tie in the first place.

Obviously, you'd prefer if that didn't happen, but I wouldn't put it among the 5 dumbest decisions I saw a QB make today.

Defending Kyler at this point is a sign of desperation.

Ie owning large shares of him in fantasy football.
1 share across 4 leagues. I don't know people can blame Murray for that loss. He had 1 brainfart, but he didn't miss the kick, he did drive down the field against a top defense with no timeouts.

ARZ should've kept that film study agreement in there. What an idiot today. One of the dumbest decisions I've seen in a QB in awhile. Gives him up short so it's 3rd and 1 and he then spikes the ball?
I mean, it doesn't matter if the kicker makes a relatively easy kick. Yeah, it was a brain fart for Murray, but he was also the reason they were down there, with a shot to win/tie in the first place.

Obviously, you'd prefer if that didn't happen, but I wouldn't put it among the 5 dumbest decisions I saw a QB make today.

It was pretty bad especially for a QB who's contract originally had a study clause in it.
It adds to a narrative I'll give you that, though I doubt that that was something that would have been covered. I think he thought he had the 1st, and there wasn't time to wait to find out for sure, at least in his mind.

Just this week: Aaron Rodgers, Carson Wentz, Russell Wilson, Matt Ryan, and Matthew Stafford made dumber decisions in key moments of games.

ARZ should've kept that film study agreement in there. What an idiot today. One of the dumbest decisions I've seen in a QB in awhile. Gives him up short so it's 3rd and 1 and he then spikes the ball?
I mean, it doesn't matter if the kicker makes a relatively easy kick. Yeah, it was a brain fart for Murray, but he was also the reason they were down there, with a shot to win/tie in the first place.

Obviously, you'd prefer if that didn't happen, but I wouldn't put it among the 5 dumbest decisions I saw a QB make today.
You’re probably going to be savaged when you rank him highly again this week. Just a heads up.
Unless Mahomes blows up (like 40+), and its featuring guys who aren't Kelce, I don't see any reason to move him down. Not like anybody else has earned the spot to be above him.
 
Murray just stealing money. The contract they gave him was ridiculous to begin with.

He is not very intelligent as far as situation goes on the football field, that has been proven over and over again.
He is soft mentally, he is soft physically
He is not a leader by any means.
He will never win a thing.
 
ARZ should've kept that film study agreement in there. What an idiot today. One of the dumbest decisions I've seen in a QB in awhile. Gives him up short so it's 3rd and 1 and he then spikes the ball?
I mean, it doesn't matter if the kicker makes a relatively easy kick. Yeah, it was a brain fart for Murray, but he was also the reason they were down there, with a shot to win/tie in the first place.

Obviously, you'd prefer if that didn't happen, but I wouldn't put it among the 5 dumbest decisions I saw a QB make today.

Defending Kyler at this point is a sign of desperation.

Ie owning large shares of him in fantasy football.
1 share across 4 leagues. I don't know people can blame Murray for that loss. He had 1 brainfart, but he didn't miss the kick, he did drive down the field against a top defense with no timeouts.

ARZ should've kept that film study agreement in there. What an idiot today. One of the dumbest decisions I've seen in a QB in awhile. Gives him up short so it's 3rd and 1 and he then spikes the ball?
I mean, it doesn't matter if the kicker makes a relatively easy kick. Yeah, it was a brain fart for Murray, but he was also the reason they were down there, with a shot to win/tie in the first place.

Obviously, you'd prefer if that didn't happen, but I wouldn't put it among the 5 dumbest decisions I saw a QB make today.

It was pretty bad especially for a QB who's contract originally had a study clause in it.
It adds to a narrative I'll give you that, though I doubt that that was something that would have been covered. I think he thought he had the 1st, and there wasn't time to wait to find out for sure, at least in his mind.

Just this week: Aaron Rodgers, Carson Wentz, Russell Wilson, Matt Ryan, and Matthew Stafford made dumber decisions in key moments of games.

ARZ should've kept that film study agreement in there. What an idiot today. One of the dumbest decisions I've seen in a QB in awhile. Gives him up short so it's 3rd and 1 and he then spikes the ball?
I mean, it doesn't matter if the kicker makes a relatively easy kick. Yeah, it was a brain fart for Murray, but he was also the reason they were down there, with a shot to win/tie in the first place.

Obviously, you'd prefer if that didn't happen, but I wouldn't put it among the 5 dumbest decisions I saw a QB make today.
You’re probably going to be savaged when you rank him highly again this week. Just a heads up.
Unless Mahomes blows up (like 40+), and its featuring guys who aren't Kelce, I don't see any reason to move him down. Not like anybody else has earned the spot to be above him.


Who else do you blame for bad (whoa bad) passing and bad (lol bad) decision making?
 
Did they try to blame drops again this week? Feels like he made it easier today where he threw passes his receivers couldn't even touch versus last weeks just bad enough they got a hand on it.
 

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