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Well I think that one is easy to understand, the NFL is by far the most competitive of the major sports and teams are able to turn around and go from zero to hero which keeps all the franchises fans interested. The biggest reason for that, non-guaranteed contracts give teams the ability to rebuild. Sure the salary cap keeps the spending even but look at baseball, no one protects the owners from themselves so they give out stupid 10 year deals to 30 year old players to try and win today but hamstring their team for years. It's awesome for the players, horrible for the franchises.
Lmao. Yep. Pat Mahomes sure was selfish "putting his guys in a bad situation" being not 100% and playing on a high ankle sprain.
Jackson also added that playing injured would have only hurt his teammates.
"Let's get real. I rather have a 100% PCL than go out there and play horrible forcing myself to put my guys in a bad situation now that's selfish to me," he tweeted.
Since Jackson doesn't have an agent to spread news or explanations on his behalf, social media has become the mode the Ravens quarterback has chosen to directly get his side of the story out, including notice of a trade request.
-Who wouldn't want to pay that guy $250M guaranteed? Let's get real
That is dedication to remove yourself from the team, shows true grit
With the actual appearance of Jackson's own words which support some of the Ravens' claims...does that make you feel any differently?
Carolina just announced they have no interest in Lamar Jackson.
lol really?
Yes.
yeah I guess not
Funniest thing that could happen is the Jets signing Lamar. To see the look on Rodgers face at that moment would be the highlight of my off-season.
You certainly pulled the 5% out of your ***.
Vegas made Stroud the favorite as the prospective #1 pick as soon as the trade was announced. IIRC, it was Stroud -220 followed by Young at +250 and Richardson at +350.
Thanks for that. Stroud is who I thought they wanted when the trade was announced. But obviously they aren't supposed to announce anything to spoil the draft suspense.
If you quit copying and pasting twitter garbage for a minute you might realize that I didn't even come up with that number, so you're wrong yet again.
Come on now....you've picked two instances where it worked. And ignored the 50 instances where it didn'tAm I to believe that 30 GMs not named the Bucs and Rams turn to their owners with satisfied looks on their faces?Because smart GMs realize that doing too much gymnastics too often eventually puts you in cap hell. It's one thing to free up 5 or even 10 million to sign somebody...reasonable gambles can be made for that. But 30-35 million???? Nope....it isn't wise to punt that much, it WILL bite youWe here at the Ministry would like to hire Frank as our agentThat's what I think Lamar is willing to do. However, he's not signing unless a team is ready to trade for him and the Ravens themselves have no wish/incentive TO trade him. To me that's why Lamar made that tweet during the league meetings as a way of throwing down the gauntlet.
With the amount of cap gymnastics and teams who are amazing at it (as @Chaka put it, Saints had went from $22-27 million over the cap to $25 million UNDER in like a week), you'd think a team would at least inquire about his services. Unfortunately, not many teams will pursue it because it's pretty clear with the chunk of young QBs available for new deals, the owners don't want the guaranteed money train to leave the station. People can call it "hive mind"/collusion/whatever, but it makes no sense that no one wants to look into getting a QB as explosive as he is and a league MVP; especially with the stupid contracts average QBs have been getting.
EDIT: Initially I thought the wild card would be the Jets, but apparently they're all in on Aaron Rodgers. The Commanders will have new ownership by the draft (two $6 billion dollar offers just got submitted), and maybe their stance will change once the new owners come in?
"Cap Gymnastics" gotta write that one down, good description
-Excellent point btw and I have been saying similar things, if teams can erase a $50M OTC deficit in the off season with a couple restructures, then it's difficult to understand why teams don't jump out there when we see them make moves for other players.
They actually say to the owners "See, I told you the Bucs and Rams were going to be in cap hell, thank goodness I had the sense to not go ALL IN"
Any owner that would accept that as a solid answer should be forced to sell the team. They don't have the balls to go all in and win a Title.
We can sugarcoat but some fan bases are being totally ripped off from competing for anything meaningful because they have a bean counter for a GM and Owner when none of them are losing money.
Say it with me everyone...IT'S PREPOSTEROUS!
Yeah, not buying in on him being dumb either, and there are certainly some misteps on the part of the Ravens. But most of us realize that smart people do dumb things all the time. I know I do. And smart people who know they're smart often have a tendency to double down on dumb decisions. So calling LJs refusal to use an agent dumb should NOT be equated with calling the man dumb.
I agree it's not a true free market, and I think we'd all agree the tag is at minimum a little distasteful.Except that 32 NFL teams can control a young man and his career in the NFL, it's not truly a free market.
4 years, fine, 5th year, fine, now they franchise tag and can do it again next year, that's like 7-8 years where a player legally has to play for their "Owner"
And then some guys are free after 2-3-4 years in the NFL and go wherever they want or whoever will pay them.
I definitely do not agree with you about
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He has until week 10 I believe according to the CBA. He would then get paid the prorated amount left on the contract and move to next year.
Didn't the Niners trade 2 1st Rd picks in order to draft Trey Lance?I agree it's not a true free market, and I think we'd all agree the tag is at minimum a little distasteful.Except that 32 NFL teams can control a young man and his career in the NFL, it's not truly a free market.
4 years, fine, 5th year, fine, now they franchise tag and can do it again next year, that's like 7-8 years where a player legally has to play for their "Owner"
And then some guys are free after 2-3-4 years in the NFL and go wherever they want or whoever will pay them.
I definitely do not agree with you about
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You ain't no good guy, I ain't no bad guy, it's GB and MoP and we just disagree
Woo Woo Woo
But that's what this is really about. The tag and those 2 1st round picks. No QB has ever moved on to another team in this situation. Maybe Jackson will be the first, but it seems very unlikely that another team will value Jackson 2 1st round picks more than the Ravens do.
People can call collusion if they want, but those 2 1st round picks are the far more likely reason we aren't seeing any action as of now.
It may not be a "free market", but it's still a market. Teams aren't actively trying not to win. They are just don't value him at $200 million fully guaranteed (or whatever) plus 2 1st round picks.
He can wait until 3 days before Week 1 kick off to occur ZERO Penalties according to the CBA
Lmao. Yep. Pat Mahomes sure was selfish "putting his guys in a bad situation" being not 100% and playing on a high ankle sprain.
Jackson also added that playing injured would have only hurt his teammates.
"Let's get real. I rather have a 100% PCL than go out there and play horrible forcing myself to put my guys in a bad situation now that's selfish to me," he tweeted.
Since Jackson doesn't have an agent to spread news or explanations on his behalf, social media has become the mode the Ravens quarterback has chosen to directly get his side of the story out, including notice of a trade request.
-Who wouldn't want to pay that guy $250M guaranteed? Let's get real
That is dedication to remove yourself from the team, shows true grit
With the actual appearance of Jackson's own words which support some of the Ravens' claims...does that make you feel any differently?
Right on up to the moment his team hoisted the Lombardi Trophy.
But I suppose Mahomes should have shown "dedication" and "true grit" by not showing up the rest of the season.
The giant omission from all of this is the *insert whatever huge contract you think he's asking for here*. The comparison absolutely is not just Lamar vs. 2 #1's, it's Lamar vs. 2 #1's PLUS $30-$40 mil in additional cap space, which can be multiple pro-bowl type players.
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The Patriots make the most sense. They have a really good defense but the offense has no direction. Lamar instantly makes the offense viable. Bill is in win now mode as he chases Shula and his career winds down.The giant omission from all of this is the *insert whatever huge contract you think he's asking for here*. The comparison absolutely is not just Lamar vs. 2 #1's, it's Lamar vs. 2 #1's PLUS $30-$40 mil in additional cap space, which can be multiple pro-bowl type players.
And sorry, but Lamar has only played ~2/3rds of a season of mediocre football the last 2 years. You put him on Houston and they're very likely a high pick again next year. They're terrible and just traded away their only WR (oh, I can hear the excuses already
I made some long winded post about a week into FA that based on moves these teams were making the Colts were the only team I felt might make a move for him. My position has not changed. They have obvious need and draft capital and I think pairing Lamar with Taylor, a coach who oversaw the development of Hurts and the kind of big bodied WR's and TE's I think are conducive to Lamar's game all while playing in a division with two softer looking teams is a very good situation for all involved.The Patriots make the most sense. They have a really good defense but the offense has no direction. Lamar instantly makes the offense viable. Bill is in win now mode as he chases Shula and his career winds down.The giant omission from all of this is the *insert whatever huge contract you think he's asking for here*. The comparison absolutely is not just Lamar vs. 2 #1's, it's Lamar vs. 2 #1's PLUS $30-$40 mil in additional cap space, which can be multiple pro-bowl type players.
And sorry, but Lamar has only played ~2/3rds of a season of mediocre football the last 2 years. You put him on Houston and they're very likely a high pick again next year. They're terrible and just traded away their only WR (oh, I can hear the excuses already
Yeah I don’t think the Pats actually do it but imo they should really consider it.I made some long winded post about a week into FA that based on moves these teams were making the Colts were the only team I felt might make a move for him. My position has not changed. They have obvious need and draft capital and I think pairing Lamar with Taylor, a coach who oversaw the development of Hurts and the kind of big bodied WR's and TE's I think are conducive to Lamar's game all while playing in a division with two softer looking teams is a very good situation for all involved.The Patriots make the most sense. They have a really good defense but the offense has no direction. Lamar instantly makes the offense viable. Bill is in win now mode as he chases Shula and his career winds down.The giant omission from all of this is the *insert whatever huge contract you think he's asking for here*. The comparison absolutely is not just Lamar vs. 2 #1's, it's Lamar vs. 2 #1's PLUS $30-$40 mil in additional cap space, which can be multiple pro-bowl type players.
And sorry, but Lamar has only played ~2/3rds of a season of mediocre football the last 2 years. You put him on Houston and they're very likely a high pick again next year. They're terrible and just traded away their only WR (oh, I can hear the excuses already
I do agree they should be looking into it and I'd imagine we think a similar reason they should is the offense is sorely lacking playmakers and he'd potentially mask a lot of deficiencies. I've also heard Bill has always been intrigued about working with a QB with Lamar's skill set and only got a slight taste of it with a past his prime Cam. Not saying Bill needs to be re-invigorated but I think he'd embrace having a weapon like nothing he's ever had in his coaching past and the strategy all of that would entail.
You have an odd definition of mediocre.
Come on. When you're resorting to comparing Jackson or any other player to Patrick Mahomes it means you've (temporarily at least) run out of arguments.Lmao. Yep. Pat Mahomes sure was selfish "putting his guys in a bad situation" being not 100% and playing on a high ankle sprain.
Jackson also added that playing injured would have only hurt his teammates.
"Let's get real. I rather have a 100% PCL than go out there and play horrible forcing myself to put my guys in a bad situation now that's selfish to me," he tweeted.
Since Jackson doesn't have an agent to spread news or explanations on his behalf, social media has become the mode the Ravens quarterback has chosen to directly get his side of the story out, including notice of a trade request.
-Who wouldn't want to pay that guy $250M guaranteed? Let's get real
That is dedication to remove yourself from the team, shows true grit
With the actual appearance of Jackson's own words which support some of the Ravens' claims...does that make you feel any differently?
Right on up to the moment his team hoisted the Lombardi Trophy.
But I suppose Mahomes should have shown "dedication" and "true grit" by not showing up the rest of the season.
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Let’s say we agree with that. There are a a limited number of starting caliber QBs on rookie deals. Probably fewer who have proven they can win big games in spite of weak rosters or turnover (Mahomes might be the only one). What do the other 16-20 teams do when there’s probably half that many “quality” starting caliber QBs remaining?
Are there 12-16 QBs on rookie deals or are Patrick Mahomes?
I don't really see it. Their entire dynasty was predicated on getting elite production for non-elite prices, I doubt they all of the sudden start handing out record setting contracts. I also don't think he puts them over the top (unless he returns to MVP type levels). He'd certainly make them better, but I don't think they'd overtake the top teams in the AFC- I would argue that Baltimore has a better team than NE and they couldn't do it with Lamar.The Patriots make the most sense. They have a really good defense but the offense has no direction. Lamar instantly makes the offense viable. Bill is in win now mode as he chases Shula and his career winds down.The giant omission from all of this is the *insert whatever huge contract you think he's asking for here*. The comparison absolutely is not just Lamar vs. 2 #1's, it's Lamar vs. 2 #1's PLUS $30-$40 mil in additional cap space, which can be multiple pro-bowl type players.
And sorry, but Lamar has only played ~2/3rds of a season of mediocre football the last 2 years. You put him on Houston and they're very likely a high pick again next year. They're terrible and just traded away their only WR (oh, I can hear the excuses already
Not rhetorical. Truly asking what YOU would do in the Ravens position. (Maybe you’ve answered that already).
The Ravens are 45-16 when Lamar starts at QB. They were 8-4 before he got hurt. He’s winning games. Playoff success hasn’t come yet but the sample size is pretty small.
And it will continue to be when he can't play or gets knocked out in the first round.
Gotcha. My crystal ball is in the shop so I was just speculating.
Obviously just my opinion. Lamar hasn't shown he can win in or get to the playoffs consistently in his 4 years as a starter on his rookie deal with an offense tailored completely to his strengths.
