QB Lamar Jackson, BAL (4 Viewers)

[-OZ-]

My disconnect is that people think if he had an agent, he would drop this silly quest for fully guaranteed, and sign a Raven-friendly contract.

He would still be going for fully guaranteed, the only difference is that half of the "Sources with knowledge" quotes would be sympathetic to Lamar, rather than the narrative that we have now, which is the poor pluckyy Ravens trying to give him a more than fair deal, and Lamar's MOM IS MESSING EVERYTHING UP

Of course the agent would start with going for fully guaranteed, but the difference is that he WOULD drop this silly quest for fully guaranteed because he would have his finger on the pulse of what other teams and QBs are discussing and would very quickly realize that the Watson deal was a one-off from a terrible, desperate franchise, not the new normal.

It's not a "silly quest" it's a reasonable goal. These funny money contracts are nonsense and, frankly shine a negative light on the agents, and ownership of course but that's obvious, for being complicit in them.

Guaranteed contracts exist in every other sport, and there is plenty of physical risk involved in them as well. Just ask any team that signed Derek Rose.

The NFL is incredibly shady with their contract structures and their, effectively anti-trust status (32 separate businesses my ***). We should all be rooting for Lamar to get his guaranteed deal.

In the battle of 32 billionaires v 1 millionaire why not side with the underdog?

If you're siding with the 32 billionaires you might want to research the history of labor laws. Your 40 hour work week, overtime pay, paid vacation, sick leave, meal breaks etc (all of which, and far more, are being systematically dismantled [FFS some states are reconsidering child labor laws]) didn't appear out of the ether. People bled, quite literally, for those benefits.

Unless you're a candidate to buy the Washington Commodores, you should be 100% pro labor and, by extension, pro Lamar.

Apologies for the rant but... seriously, I mean... seriously.

For starters, I simply repeated what the other poster said about it being a "silly quest" as part of his narrative which isn't based in reality.

More importantly, I think you're way off base with how this would work out if the top players started getting guaranteed contracts. There is a salary cap in the NFL, the evil owners are essentially all spending the same amount of money in their shady contracts. It doesn't matter to them financially if a huge chunk goes to Lamar (in this case) leaving less for the other players or less goes to Lamar leaving more for the others. It's more like you'd be siding with the multi-millionaire players over the millionaire players, which I'm guessing is the opposite of your goal and pretty much renders your entire rant moot.

Many of the players aren't exactly millionaires

the median wage for all NFL players is roughly $860,000.
Granted, that doesn’t account for taxes, fees, and other costs maintaining the requisite health and fitness to stay in past training camp. But the median player definitely has a better chance of being a millionaire than the vast majority of the fans.

So they have to play 3-4 years to have a million bucks in the bank.
Then they have to work a regular job for 30 years like the rest of us cause 1-2 million bucks at age 26 or so certainly isn't retirement money. Not even remotely close

Depends on their expenses but sure.
But it’s not exactly pitiful to have 1-2 million at 26, then work a career.
FWIW, one of the guys in my larger office was a MLB player for a few years. I suspect this is fairly common. I’d also guess that the guys who played in the NFL have pretty good employment prospects.

 

[ghostguy123]

My disconnect is that people think if he had an agent, he would drop this silly quest for fully guaranteed, and sign a Raven-friendly contract.

He would still be going for fully guaranteed, the only difference is that half of the "Sources with knowledge" quotes would be sympathetic to Lamar, rather than the narrative that we have now, which is the poor pluckyy Ravens trying to give him a more than fair deal, and Lamar's MOM IS MESSING EVERYTHING UP

Of course the agent would start with going for fully guaranteed, but the difference is that he WOULD drop this silly quest for fully guaranteed because he would have his finger on the pulse of what other teams and QBs are discussing and would very quickly realize that the Watson deal was a one-off from a terrible, desperate franchise, not the new normal.

It's not a "silly quest" it's a reasonable goal. These funny money contracts are nonsense and, frankly shine a negative light on the agents, and ownership of course but that's obvious, for being complicit in them.

Guaranteed contracts exist in every other sport, and there is plenty of physical risk involved in them as well. Just ask any team that signed Derek Rose.

The NFL is incredibly shady with their contract structures and their, effectively anti-trust status (32 separate businesses my ***). We should all be rooting for Lamar to get his guaranteed deal.

In the battle of 32 billionaires v 1 millionaire why not side with the underdog?

If you're siding with the 32 billionaires you might want to research the history of labor laws. Your 40 hour work week, overtime pay, paid vacation, sick leave, meal breaks etc (all of which, and far more, are being systematically dismantled [FFS some states are reconsidering child labor laws]) didn't appear out of the ether. People bled, quite literally, for those benefits.

Unless you're a candidate to buy the Washington Commodores, you should be 100% pro labor and, by extension, pro Lamar.

Apologies for the rant but... seriously, I mean... seriously.

For starters, I simply repeated what the other poster said about it being a "silly quest" as part of his narrative which isn't based in reality.

More importantly, I think you're way off base with how this would work out if the top players started getting guaranteed contracts. There is a salary cap in the NFL, the evil owners are essentially all spending the same amount of money in their shady contracts. It doesn't matter to them financially if a huge chunk goes to Lamar (in this case) leaving less for the other players or less goes to Lamar leaving more for the others. It's more like you'd be siding with the multi-millionaire players over the millionaire players, which I'm guessing is the opposite of your goal and pretty much renders your entire rant moot.

Many of the players aren't exactly millionaires

the median wage for all NFL players is roughly $860,000.
Granted, that doesn’t account for taxes, fees, and other costs maintaining the requisite health and fitness to stay in past training camp. But the median player definitely has a better chance of being a millionaire than the vast majority of the fans.

So they have to play 3-4 years to have a million bucks in the bank.
Then they have to work a regular job for 30 years like the rest of us cause 1-2 million bucks at age 26 or so certainly isn't retirement money. Not even remotely close

Depends on their expenses but sure.
But it’s not exactly pitiful to have 1-2 million at 26, then work a career.
FWIW, one of the guys in my larger office was a MLB player for a few years. I suspect this is fairly common. I’d also guess that the guys who played in the NFL have pretty good employment prospects.

Doing what? Physical labor jobs? With the knees, back, and shoulders of a 60 year old at age 27? How many of these guys you think are getting cushy office jobs?
Again the point is, I'd rather advocate for guarantees on the lower end than give a **** if a guy like Lamar makes 250 million guaranteed as opposed to 150 million guaranteed.

Besides, the longer the contract, the lesser % of it should be guaranteed.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

How many of these guys you think are getting cushy office jobs?

A lot of them, especially in fields like sales, traders or insurance companies. Even a guy that played a year or two is a minor “celebrity” in those arenas and help business.

 

[humpback]

My disconnect is that people think if he had an agent, he would drop this silly quest for fully guaranteed, and sign a Raven-friendly contract.

He would still be going for fully guaranteed, the only difference is that half of the "Sources with knowledge" quotes would be sympathetic to Lamar, rather than the narrative that we have now, which is the poor pluckyy Ravens trying to give him a more than fair deal, and Lamar's MOM IS MESSING EVERYTHING UP

Of course the agent would start with going for fully guaranteed, but the difference is that he WOULD drop this silly quest for fully guaranteed because he would have his finger on the pulse of what other teams and QBs are discussing and would very quickly realize that the Watson deal was a one-off from a terrible, desperate franchise, not the new normal.

It's not a "silly quest" it's a reasonable goal. These funny money contracts are nonsense and, frankly shine a negative light on the agents, and ownership of course but that's obvious, for being complicit in them.

Guaranteed contracts exist in every other sport, and there is plenty of physical risk involved in them as well. Just ask any team that signed Derek Rose.

The NFL is incredibly shady with their contract structures and their, effectively anti-trust status (32 separate businesses my ***). We should all be rooting for Lamar to get his guaranteed deal.

In the battle of 32 billionaires v 1 millionaire why not side with the underdog?

If you're siding with the 32 billionaires you might want to research the history of labor laws. Your 40 hour work week, overtime pay, paid vacation, sick leave, meal breaks etc (all of which, and far more, are being systematically dismantled [FFS some states are reconsidering child labor laws]) didn't appear out of the ether. People bled, quite literally, for those benefits.

Unless you're a candidate to buy the Washington Commodores, you should be 100% pro labor and, by extension, pro Lamar.

Apologies for the rant but... seriously, I mean... seriously.

For starters, I simply repeated what the other poster said about it being a "silly quest" as part of his narrative which isn't based in reality.

More importantly, I think you're way off base with how this would work out if the top players started getting guaranteed contracts. There is a salary cap in the NFL, the evil owners are essentially all spending the same amount of money in their shady contracts. It doesn't matter to them financially if a huge chunk goes to Lamar (in this case) leaving less for the other players or less goes to Lamar leaving more for the others. It's more like you'd be siding with the multi-millionaire players over the millionaire players, which I'm guessing is the opposite of your goal and pretty much renders your entire rant moot.

Many of the players aren't exactly millionaires

And many are, but that isn't the point. The point is, he's trying to paint a narrative that this is the rich greedy owners vs. the players when it's really the really rich players vs. the less rich ones.

 

[BassNBrew]

My disconnect is that people think if he had an agent, he would drop this silly quest for fully guaranteed, and sign a Raven-friendly contract.

He would still be going for fully guaranteed, the only difference is that half of the "Sources with knowledge" quotes would be sympathetic to Lamar, rather than the narrative that we have now, which is the poor pluckyy Ravens trying to give him a more than fair deal, and Lamar's MOM IS MESSING EVERYTHING UP

Of course the agent would start with going for fully guaranteed, but the difference is that he WOULD drop this silly quest for fully guaranteed because he would have his finger on the pulse of what other teams and QBs are discussing and would very quickly realize that the Watson deal was a one-off from a terrible, desperate franchise, not the new normal.

It's not a "silly quest" it's a reasonable goal. These funny money contracts are nonsense and, frankly shine a negative light on the agents, and ownership of course but that's obvious, for being complicit in them.

Guaranteed contracts exist in every other sport, and there is plenty of physical risk involved in them as well. Just ask any team that signed Derek Rose.

The NFL is incredibly shady with their contract structures and their, effectively anti-trust status (32 separate businesses my ***). We should all be rooting for Lamar to get his guaranteed deal.

In the battle of 32 billionaires v 1 millionaire why not side with the underdog?

If you're siding with the 32 billionaires you might want to research the history of labor laws. Your 40 hour work week, overtime pay, paid vacation, sick leave, meal breaks etc (all of which, and far more, are being systematically dismantled [FFS some states are reconsidering child labor laws]) didn't appear out of the ether. People bled, quite literally, for those benefits.

Unless you're a candidate to buy the Washington Commodores, you should be 100% pro labor and, by extension, pro Lamar.

Apologies for the rant but... seriously, I mean... seriously.

For starters, I simply repeated what the other poster said about it being a "silly quest" as part of his narrative which isn't based in reality.

More importantly, I think you're way off base with how this would work out if the top players started getting guaranteed contracts. There is a salary cap in the NFL, the evil owners are essentially all spending the same amount of money in their shady contracts. It doesn't matter to them financially if a huge chunk goes to Lamar (in this case) leaving less for the other players or less goes to Lamar leaving more for the others. It's more like you'd be siding with the multi-millionaire players over the millionaire players, which I'm guessing is the opposite of your goal and pretty much renders your entire rant moot.

Many of the players aren't exactly millionaires

the median wage for all NFL players is roughly $860,000.
Granted, that doesn’t account for taxes, fees, and other costs maintaining the requisite health and fitness to stay in past training camp. But the median player definitely has a better chance of being a millionaire than the vast majority of the fans.

So they have to play 3-4 years to have a million bucks in the bank.
Then they have to work a regular job for 30 years like the rest of us cause 1-2 million bucks at age 26 or so certainly isn't retirement money. Not even remotely close

Depends on their expenses but sure.
But it’s not exactly pitiful to have 1-2 million at 26, then work a career.
FWIW, one of the guys in my larger office was a MLB player for a few years. I suspect this is fairly common. I’d also guess that the guys who played in the NFL have pretty good employment prospects.

Doing what? Physical labor jobs? With the knees, back, and shoulders of a 60 year old at age 27? How many of these guys you think are getting cushy office jobs?
Again the point is, I'd rather advocate for guarantees on the lower end than give a **** if a guy like Lamar makes 250 million guaranteed as opposed to 150 million guaranteed.

Besides, the longer the contract, the lesser % of it should be guaranteed.

Personal training, camps, endorsements for many. Of course 46% have a college degree which tops the general population.

https://www.nfl.info/nflmedia/Kickoff%20Weekend/2005/2005%20Kickoff%20Pages/Page%2026.pdf

 

[ghostguy123]

Yeah the players association is strange here. Advocating for the top guys to get bazillions hurts 90% of the other players.

 

[ghostguy123]

My disconnect is that people think if he had an agent, he would drop this silly quest for fully guaranteed, and sign a Raven-friendly contract.

He would still be going for fully guaranteed, the only difference is that half of the "Sources with knowledge" quotes would be sympathetic to Lamar, rather than the narrative that we have now, which is the poor pluckyy Ravens trying to give him a more than fair deal, and Lamar's MOM IS MESSING EVERYTHING UP

Of course the agent would start with going for fully guaranteed, but the difference is that he WOULD drop this silly quest for fully guaranteed because he would have his finger on the pulse of what other teams and QBs are discussing and would very quickly realize that the Watson deal was a one-off from a terrible, desperate franchise, not the new normal.

It's not a "silly quest" it's a reasonable goal. These funny money contracts are nonsense and, frankly shine a negative light on the agents, and ownership of course but that's obvious, for being complicit in them.

Guaranteed contracts exist in every other sport, and there is plenty of physical risk involved in them as well. Just ask any team that signed Derek Rose.

The NFL is incredibly shady with their contract structures and their, effectively anti-trust status (32 separate businesses my ***). We should all be rooting for Lamar to get his guaranteed deal.

In the battle of 32 billionaires v 1 millionaire why not side with the underdog?

If you're siding with the 32 billionaires you might want to research the history of labor laws. Your 40 hour work week, overtime pay, paid vacation, sick leave, meal breaks etc (all of which, and far more, are being systematically dismantled [FFS some states are reconsidering child labor laws]) didn't appear out of the ether. People bled, quite literally, for those benefits.

Unless you're a candidate to buy the Washington Commodores, you should be 100% pro labor and, by extension, pro Lamar.

Apologies for the rant but... seriously, I mean... seriously.

For starters, I simply repeated what the other poster said about it being a "silly quest" as part of his narrative which isn't based in reality.

More importantly, I think you're way off base with how this would work out if the top players started getting guaranteed contracts. There is a salary cap in the NFL, the evil owners are essentially all spending the same amount of money in their shady contracts. It doesn't matter to them financially if a huge chunk goes to Lamar (in this case) leaving less for the other players or less goes to Lamar leaving more for the others. It's more like you'd be siding with the multi-millionaire players over the millionaire players, which I'm guessing is the opposite of your goal and pretty much renders your entire rant moot.

Many of the players aren't exactly millionaires

the median wage for all NFL players is roughly $860,000.
Granted, that doesn’t account for taxes, fees, and other costs maintaining the requisite health and fitness to stay in past training camp. But the median player definitely has a better chance of being a millionaire than the vast majority of the fans.

So they have to play 3-4 years to have a million bucks in the bank.
Then they have to work a regular job for 30 years like the rest of us cause 1-2 million bucks at age 26 or so certainly isn't retirement money. Not even remotely close

Depends on their expenses but sure.
But it’s not exactly pitiful to have 1-2 million at 26, then work a career.
FWIW, one of the guys in my larger office was a MLB player for a few years. I suspect this is fairly common. I’d also guess that the guys who played in the NFL have pretty good employment prospects.

Doing what? Physical labor jobs? With the knees, back, and shoulders of a 60 year old at age 27? How many of these guys you think are getting cushy office jobs?
Again the point is, I'd rather advocate for guarantees on the lower end than give a **** if a guy like Lamar makes 250 million guaranteed as opposed to 150 million guaranteed.

Besides, the longer the contract, the lesser % of it should be guaranteed.

Personal training, camps, endorsements for many. Of course 46% have a college degree which tops the general population.

https://www.nfl.info/nflmedia/Kickoff%20Weekend/2005/2005%20Kickoff%20Pages/Page%2026.pdf

Graduate with what? Basket weaving degrees?
I remember the university of Cincinnati had something called "the U college". It produced degrees with zero practical use in the real world.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

My disconnect is that people think if he had an agent, he would drop this silly quest for fully guaranteed, and sign a Raven-friendly contract.

He would still be going for fully guaranteed, the only difference is that half of the "Sources with knowledge" quotes would be sympathetic to Lamar, rather than the narrative that we have now, which is the poor pluckyy Ravens trying to give him a more than fair deal, and Lamar's MOM IS MESSING EVERYTHING UP

Of course the agent would start with going for fully guaranteed, but the difference is that he WOULD drop this silly quest for fully guaranteed because he would have his finger on the pulse of what other teams and QBs are discussing and would very quickly realize that the Watson deal was a one-off from a terrible, desperate franchise, not the new normal.

It's not a "silly quest" it's a reasonable goal. These funny money contracts are nonsense and, frankly shine a negative light on the agents, and ownership of course but that's obvious, for being complicit in them.

Guaranteed contracts exist in every other sport, and there is plenty of physical risk involved in them as well. Just ask any team that signed Derek Rose.

The NFL is incredibly shady with their contract structures and their, effectively anti-trust status (32 separate businesses my ***). We should all be rooting for Lamar to get his guaranteed deal.

In the battle of 32 billionaires v 1 millionaire why not side with the underdog?

If you're siding with the 32 billionaires you might want to research the history of labor laws. Your 40 hour work week, overtime pay, paid vacation, sick leave, meal breaks etc (all of which, and far more, are being systematically dismantled [FFS some states are reconsidering child labor laws]) didn't appear out of the ether. People bled, quite literally, for those benefits.

Unless you're a candidate to buy the Washington Commodores, you should be 100% pro labor and, by extension, pro Lamar.

Apologies for the rant but... seriously, I mean... seriously.

For starters, I simply repeated what the other poster said about it being a "silly quest" as part of his narrative which isn't based in reality.

More importantly, I think you're way off base with how this would work out if the top players started getting guaranteed contracts. There is a salary cap in the NFL, the evil owners are essentially all spending the same amount of money in their shady contracts. It doesn't matter to them financially if a huge chunk goes to Lamar (in this case) leaving less for the other players or less goes to Lamar leaving more for the others. It's more like you'd be siding with the multi-millionaire players over the millionaire players, which I'm guessing is the opposite of your goal and pretty much renders your entire rant moot.

Many of the players aren't exactly millionaires

the median wage for all NFL players is roughly $860,000.
Granted, that doesn’t account for taxes, fees, and other costs maintaining the requisite health and fitness to stay in past training camp. But the median player definitely has a better chance of being a millionaire than the vast majority of the fans.

So they have to play 3-4 years to have a million bucks in the bank.
Then they have to work a regular job for 30 years like the rest of us cause 1-2 million bucks at age 26 or so certainly isn't retirement money. Not even remotely close

Depends on their expenses but sure.
But it’s not exactly pitiful to have 1-2 million at 26, then work a career.
FWIW, one of the guys in my larger office was a MLB player for a few years. I suspect this is fairly common. I’d also guess that the guys who played in the NFL have pretty good employment prospects.

Doing what? Physical labor jobs? With the knees, back, and shoulders of a 60 year old at age 27? How many of these guys you think are getting cushy office jobs?
Again the point is, I'd rather advocate for guarantees on the lower end than give a **** if a guy like Lamar makes 250 million guaranteed as opposed to 150 million guaranteed.

Besides, the longer the contract, the lesser % of it should be guaranteed.

Personal training, camps, endorsements for many. Of course 46% have a college degree which tops the general population.

https://www.nfl.info/nflmedia/Kickoff%20Weekend/2005/2005%20Kickoff%20Pages/Page%2026.pdf

Graduate with what? Basket weaving degrees?
I remember the university of Cincinnati had something called "the U college". It produced degrees with zero practical use in the real world.

Most undergraduate college majors have little to do with subsequent career success.

 

[Chaka]

Also, the NBA and MLB would be much better off if they DIDNT have all guaranteed contracts.

Maybe but these are separate issues aren't they? The good of the players and the good of the fans don't necessarily intersect on a Venn diagram.

 

[-OZ-]

My disconnect is that people think if he had an agent, he would drop this silly quest for fully guaranteed, and sign a Raven-friendly contract.

He would still be going for fully guaranteed, the only difference is that half of the "Sources with knowledge" quotes would be sympathetic to Lamar, rather than the narrative that we have now, which is the poor pluckyy Ravens trying to give him a more than fair deal, and Lamar's MOM IS MESSING EVERYTHING UP

Of course the agent would start with going for fully guaranteed, but the difference is that he WOULD drop this silly quest for fully guaranteed because he would have his finger on the pulse of what other teams and QBs are discussing and would very quickly realize that the Watson deal was a one-off from a terrible, desperate franchise, not the new normal.

It's not a "silly quest" it's a reasonable goal. These funny money contracts are nonsense and, frankly shine a negative light on the agents, and ownership of course but that's obvious, for being complicit in them.

Guaranteed contracts exist in every other sport, and there is plenty of physical risk involved in them as well. Just ask any team that signed Derek Rose.

The NFL is incredibly shady with their contract structures and their, effectively anti-trust status (32 separate businesses my ***). We should all be rooting for Lamar to get his guaranteed deal.

In the battle of 32 billionaires v 1 millionaire why not side with the underdog?

If you're siding with the 32 billionaires you might want to research the history of labor laws. Your 40 hour work week, overtime pay, paid vacation, sick leave, meal breaks etc (all of which, and far more, are being systematically dismantled [FFS some states are reconsidering child labor laws]) didn't appear out of the ether. People bled, quite literally, for those benefits.

Unless you're a candidate to buy the Washington Commodores, you should be 100% pro labor and, by extension, pro Lamar.

Apologies for the rant but... seriously, I mean... seriously.

For starters, I simply repeated what the other poster said about it being a "silly quest" as part of his narrative which isn't based in reality.

More importantly, I think you're way off base with how this would work out if the top players started getting guaranteed contracts. There is a salary cap in the NFL, the evil owners are essentially all spending the same amount of money in their shady contracts. It doesn't matter to them financially if a huge chunk goes to Lamar (in this case) leaving less for the other players or less goes to Lamar leaving more for the others. It's more like you'd be siding with the multi-millionaire players over the millionaire players, which I'm guessing is the opposite of your goal and pretty much renders your entire rant moot.

Many of the players aren't exactly millionaires

the median wage for all NFL players is roughly $860,000.
Granted, that doesn’t account for taxes, fees, and other costs maintaining the requisite health and fitness to stay in past training camp. But the median player definitely has a better chance of being a millionaire than the vast majority of the fans.

So they have to play 3-4 years to have a million bucks in the bank.
Then they have to work a regular job for 30 years like the rest of us cause 1-2 million bucks at age 26 or so certainly isn't retirement money. Not even remotely close

Depends on their expenses but sure.
But it’s not exactly pitiful to have 1-2 million at 26, then work a career.
FWIW, one of the guys in my larger office was a MLB player for a few years. I suspect this is fairly common. I’d also guess that the guys who played in the NFL have pretty good employment prospects.

Doing what? Physical labor jobs? With the knees, back, and shoulders of a 60 year old at age 27? How many of these guys you think are getting cushy office jobs?
Again the point is, I'd rather advocate for guarantees on the lower end than give a **** if a guy like Lamar makes 250 million guaranteed as opposed to 150 million guaranteed.

Besides, the longer the contract, the lesser % of it should be guaranteed.

Personal training, camps, endorsements for many. Of course 46% have a college degree which tops the general population.

https://www.nfl.info/nflmedia/Kickoff%20Weekend/2005/2005%20Kickoff%20Pages/Page%2026.pdf

Graduate with what? Basket weaving degrees?
I remember the university of Cincinnati had something called "the U college". It produced degrees with zero practical use in the real world.

Whatever degree they want. While understanding the sport takes a lot of their time. Many (most?) players manage to get a legit degree.

 

[menobrown]

Also, the NBA and MLB would be much better off if they DIDNT have all guaranteed contracts.

This is true and why I root against large guaranteed contracts.

Some people try and say why would we root for the owners or why do fans get upset when we see players get large guaranteed deals. It's not about either of those things. We just get leery if the team(s) made a bad investment those franchises are stuck, sometimes for years trying to unravel out of the bad deals. Why would any fan of any sport want that?

 

[Chaka]

I don't have time to respond to all of the posts so I'm just going to go with...

BURN IT DOWN!!!

 

[BassNBrew]

My disconnect is that people think if he had an agent, he would drop this silly quest for fully guaranteed, and sign a Raven-friendly contract.

He would still be going for fully guaranteed, the only difference is that half of the "Sources with knowledge" quotes would be sympathetic to Lamar, rather than the narrative that we have now, which is the poor pluckyy Ravens trying to give him a more than fair deal, and Lamar's MOM IS MESSING EVERYTHING UP

Of course the agent would start with going for fully guaranteed, but the difference is that he WOULD drop this silly quest for fully guaranteed because he would have his finger on the pulse of what other teams and QBs are discussing and would very quickly realize that the Watson deal was a one-off from a terrible, desperate franchise, not the new normal.

It's not a "silly quest" it's a reasonable goal. These funny money contracts are nonsense and, frankly shine a negative light on the agents, and ownership of course but that's obvious, for being complicit in them.

Guaranteed contracts exist in every other sport, and there is plenty of physical risk involved in them as well. Just ask any team that signed Derek Rose.

The NFL is incredibly shady with their contract structures and their, effectively anti-trust status (32 separate businesses my ***). We should all be rooting for Lamar to get his guaranteed deal.

In the battle of 32 billionaires v 1 millionaire why not side with the underdog?

If you're siding with the 32 billionaires you might want to research the history of labor laws. Your 40 hour work week, overtime pay, paid vacation, sick leave, meal breaks etc (all of which, and far more, are being systematically dismantled [FFS some states are reconsidering child labor laws]) didn't appear out of the ether. People bled, quite literally, for those benefits.

Unless you're a candidate to buy the Washington Commodores, you should be 100% pro labor and, by extension, pro Lamar.

Apologies for the rant but... seriously, I mean... seriously.

For starters, I simply repeated what the other poster said about it being a "silly quest" as part of his narrative which isn't based in reality.

More importantly, I think you're way off base with how this would work out if the top players started getting guaranteed contracts. There is a salary cap in the NFL, the evil owners are essentially all spending the same amount of money in their shady contracts. It doesn't matter to them financially if a huge chunk goes to Lamar (in this case) leaving less for the other players or less goes to Lamar leaving more for the others. It's more like you'd be siding with the multi-millionaire players over the millionaire players, which I'm guessing is the opposite of your goal and pretty much renders your entire rant moot.

Many of the players aren't exactly millionaires

the median wage for all NFL players is roughly $860,000.
Granted, that doesn’t account for taxes, fees, and other costs maintaining the requisite health and fitness to stay in past training camp. But the median player definitely has a better chance of being a millionaire than the vast majority of the fans.

So they have to play 3-4 years to have a million bucks in the bank.
Then they have to work a regular job for 30 years like the rest of us cause 1-2 million bucks at age 26 or so certainly isn't retirement money. Not even remotely close

Depends on their expenses but sure.
But it’s not exactly pitiful to have 1-2 million at 26, then work a career.
FWIW, one of the guys in my larger office was a MLB player for a few years. I suspect this is fairly common. I’d also guess that the guys who played in the NFL have pretty good employment prospects.

Doing what? Physical labor jobs? With the knees, back, and shoulders of a 60 year old at age 27? How many of these guys you think are getting cushy office jobs?
Again the point is, I'd rather advocate for guarantees on the lower end than give a **** if a guy like Lamar makes 250 million guaranteed as opposed to 150 million guaranteed.

Besides, the longer the contract, the lesser % of it should be guaranteed.

Personal training, camps, endorsements for many. Of course 46% have a college degree which tops the general population.

https://www.nfl.info/nflmedia/Kickoff%20Weekend/2005/2005%20Kickoff%20Pages/Page%2026.pdf

Graduate with what? Basket weaving degrees?
I remember the university of Cincinnati had something called "the U college". It produced degrees with zero practical use in the real world.

These Are the Most Popular Majors for College Football Players

While college football players may have a reputation for not attending class, many pursue majors of sincere interest.

www.sportscasting.com

Plenty of regular Joes and Janes racking up college debt for useless degrees too.

While their are plenty of players with bleak prospects, the entire NFL population falls in line with the general population. 37% of the general population 25-30 has a degree. That's 20% less than the NFL population.

 

[wgoldsph]

I don't have time to respond to all of the posts so I'm just going to go with...

BURN IT DOWN!!!

I wish I could just use all the reactions on this one

 

[-OZ-]

My disconnect is that people think if he had an agent, he would drop this silly quest for fully guaranteed, and sign a Raven-friendly contract.

He would still be going for fully guaranteed, the only difference is that half of the "Sources with knowledge" quotes would be sympathetic to Lamar, rather than the narrative that we have now, which is the poor pluckyy Ravens trying to give him a more than fair deal, and Lamar's MOM IS MESSING EVERYTHING UP

Of course the agent would start with going for fully guaranteed, but the difference is that he WOULD drop this silly quest for fully guaranteed because he would have his finger on the pulse of what other teams and QBs are discussing and would very quickly realize that the Watson deal was a one-off from a terrible, desperate franchise, not the new normal.

It's not a "silly quest" it's a reasonable goal. These funny money contracts are nonsense and, frankly shine a negative light on the agents, and ownership of course but that's obvious, for being complicit in them.

Guaranteed contracts exist in every other sport, and there is plenty of physical risk involved in them as well. Just ask any team that signed Derek Rose.

The NFL is incredibly shady with their contract structures and their, effectively anti-trust status (32 separate businesses my ***). We should all be rooting for Lamar to get his guaranteed deal.

In the battle of 32 billionaires v 1 millionaire why not side with the underdog?

If you're siding with the 32 billionaires you might want to research the history of labor laws. Your 40 hour work week, overtime pay, paid vacation, sick leave, meal breaks etc (all of which, and far more, are being systematically dismantled [FFS some states are reconsidering child labor laws]) didn't appear out of the ether. People bled, quite literally, for those benefits.

Unless you're a candidate to buy the Washington Commodores, you should be 100% pro labor and, by extension, pro Lamar.

Apologies for the rant but... seriously, I mean... seriously.

For starters, I simply repeated what the other poster said about it being a "silly quest" as part of his narrative which isn't based in reality.

More importantly, I think you're way off base with how this would work out if the top players started getting guaranteed contracts. There is a salary cap in the NFL, the evil owners are essentially all spending the same amount of money in their shady contracts. It doesn't matter to them financially if a huge chunk goes to Lamar (in this case) leaving less for the other players or less goes to Lamar leaving more for the others. It's more like you'd be siding with the multi-millionaire players over the millionaire players, which I'm guessing is the opposite of your goal and pretty much renders your entire rant moot.

Many of the players aren't exactly millionaires

the median wage for all NFL players is roughly $860,000.
Granted, that doesn’t account for taxes, fees, and other costs maintaining the requisite health and fitness to stay in past training camp. But the median player definitely has a better chance of being a millionaire than the vast majority of the fans.

So they have to play 3-4 years to have a million bucks in the bank.
Then they have to work a regular job for 30 years like the rest of us cause 1-2 million bucks at age 26 or so certainly isn't retirement money. Not even remotely close

Depends on their expenses but sure.
But it’s not exactly pitiful to have 1-2 million at 26, then work a career.
FWIW, one of the guys in my larger office was a MLB player for a few years. I suspect this is fairly common. I’d also guess that the guys who played in the NFL have pretty good employment prospects.

Doing what? Physical labor jobs? With the knees, back, and shoulders of a 60 year old at age 27? How many of these guys you think are getting cushy office jobs?
Again the point is, I'd rather advocate for guarantees on the lower end than give a **** if a guy like Lamar makes 250 million guaranteed as opposed to 150 million guaranteed.

Besides, the longer the contract, the lesser % of it should be guaranteed.

Your overall point is sound but most of us aren’t exactly worried about the highest paid players.

 

[massraider]

Lamar, why don't you take less, so the long snapper gets more. What are you, selfish?

 

[jabarony]

This argument is undermined by the fact that the hard salary cap makes player compensation a zero sum game. If Jackson gets more, other players get less. Therefore, not siding with Jackson in seeking a fully guaranteed contract does not equate to not "siding with labor."

I see that position all the time on this board.

"I don't want my team to sign Jackson"
"Why do you hate the players and love the owners?"
"I don't want my team to sign Jackson because I think that money can be spent better elsewhere, like O-Line, CB, etc."
"Why do you love the owners?"

 

[Chaka]

Your overall point is sound but most of us aren’t exactly worried about the highest paid players.

Let's be honest, most of aren't worried about any players outside how an injury impacts our fantasy teams.

 

[ghostguy123]

Lot of different arguments going all in circles here.
Ljax needs an agent. He'd make more money and be happier not doing leg work (if he's even doing any).
The players association should fight for minimum guarantees that would suit every player.
Owners don't want to do 5 year fully guaranteed deals, and rightfully so. It can kill you for 5 years or more if the player doesn't work out, or if they are just good not great. The Browns made a bold move. It isn't the model for success, though maybe it works out, who knows.

 

[massraider]

Lot of different arguments going all in circles here.

Guy, you're the one who brought up the salary concerns of the NFL rank and file.

 

[Tau837]

Lamar, why don't you take less, so the long snapper gets more. What are you, selfish?

That is a strawman. No one expects Jackson to sacrifice contract value willingly for other players. But that the NFLPA is pushing this really doesn't make much sense with a hard cap. As has been posted many times in this thread.

 

[massraider]

But that the NFLPA is pushing this really doesn't make much sense with a hard cap. As has been posted many times in this thread.

Been wrong every time it was posted.

NFLPA wants everyone fully guaranteed. Wage disparity is true in all sports, and whatever cap they have won't really change that. Teams will always have 15-20 bargain contracts on the team.

 

[ghostguy123]

Let's say a team signs a guy for 5 years, 250 million guaranteed. After a year or two the guy just sucks, and is a horrible guy to have around. Can't be traded, nobody wants him.
Let's say that player is cut. How would that affect the teams salary cap, and how would it affect their ability to pay players over the course of the next few seasons?

 

[humpback]

Lamar, why don't you take less, so the long snapper gets more. What are you, selfish?

Lamar, how will you put food on the table if you're only the 2nd highest paid player in league history? Who cares about winning, or your teammates who put their bodies on the line every day trying to protect yours, momma needs a new pair of shoes!

This is fun!

 

[massraider]

Lamar, why don't you take less, so the long snapper gets more. What are you, selfish?

Lamar, how will you put food on the table if you're only the 2nd highest paid player in league history? Who cares about winning, or your teammates who put their bodies on the line every day trying to protect yours, momma needs a new pair of shoes!

This is fun!

OK

 

[Tau837]

But that the NFLPA is pushing this really doesn't make much sense with a hard cap. As has been posted many times in this thread.

Been wrong every time it was posted.

NFLPA wants everyone fully guaranteed. Wage disparity is true in all sports, and whatever cap they have won't really change that. Teams will always have 15-20 bargain contracts on the team.

I disagree. It's been right every time it has been posted. Well, that was easy.

The NFLPA should concern itself with other issues, like getting a higher percentage of revenue, increasing player and retired player benefits, improving player safety, improving the conditions that were scored so badly in that recent NFLPA report card, changing the cap so it is not a true hard cap, etc. Those things would have benefit to all players in the league without negatively impacting the quality of play on the field.

The same cannot be said about fully guaranteed contracts, at least not unless the league institutes some sort of cap per position on salaries that ensures that a couple of bad contracts don't tank a team's ability to compete until they end and are off the books.

 

[ghostguy123]

Let's say a team signs a guy for 5 years, 250 million guaranteed. After a year or two the guy just sucks, and is a horrible guy to have around. Can't be traded, nobody wants him.
Let's say that player is cut. How would that affect the teams salary cap, and how would it affect their ability to pay players over the course of the next few seasons?

Nobody?

 

[Yenrub]

If we assume this to be true, i.e., that Roman's offense was holding Jackson back rather than actually giving him the exact tailored offense that best suits him, that is a good reason for Jackson to consider playing 2023 under the tag

Yeah it’s odd how the narrative turned from being an offense designed around Jackson to the offense that was holding him back.

With that said a lot of the takes about his total lack of abilities as a passer are laughably bad.

Obviously Roman has been a very successful OC in the league (Super Bowl appearance and NFC championships) however the passing game has never been a strength for any of his offenses.

 

[massraider]

Let's say a team signs a guy for 5 years, 250 million guaranteed. After a year or two the guy just sucks, and is a horrible guy to have around. Can't be traded, nobody wants him.
Let's say that player is cut. How would that affect the teams salary cap, and how would it affect their ability to pay players over the course of the next few seasons?

Nobody?

They have already built in the system the ability to spread over two years, so some guy with 150 mill in dead cap might count 75/year for two years.

How it affects a team depends on what they have going on with the rest of the team. Eagles ate a massive hit when they got rid of Wentz, big enough that I thought there was no way he was moving on. I would say the Eagles recovered nicely from that cap hit.

Some teams might have to gut their team to eat a cap charge, but more likely they would have to convert a bunch of salary to bonus, add void years to some deals, and really hamstring their future roster building. Some of these deals linger.

 

[ghostguy123]

Let's say a team signs a guy for 5 years, 250 million guaranteed. After a year or two the guy just sucks, and is a horrible guy to have around. Can't be traded, nobody wants him.
Let's say that player is cut. How would that affect the teams salary cap, and how would it affect their ability to pay players over the course of the next few seasons?

Nobody?

They have already built in the system the ability to spread over two years, so some guy with 150 mill in dead cap might count 75/year for two years.

How it affects a team depends on what they have going on with the rest of the team. Eagles ate a massive hit when they got rid of Wentz, big enough that I thought there was no way he was moving on. I would say the Eagles recovered nicely from that cap hit.

Some teams might have to gut their team to eat a cap charge, but more likely they would have to convert a bunch of salary to bonus, add void years to some deals, and really hamstring their future roster building. Some of these deals linger.

Which means........that's 150 million bucks not going to other players.

 

[massraider]

Which means........that's 150 million bucks not going to other players

The 150 million already went to the players. How it appears on the cap is accounting tap dancing.

The team in question, let's call them the Browns, spent that 150 mill on players. If the player is no longer on the team, they may have to borrow from FUTURE caps in order to give more money to the players they still have.

 

[ghostguy123]

Which means........that's 150 million bucks not going to other players

The 150 million already went to the players. How it appears on the cap is accounting tap dancing.

The team in question, let's call them the Browns, spent that 150 mill on players. If the player is no longer on the team, they may have to borrow from FUTURE caps in order to give more money to the players they still have.

Right. That money doesn't go to other players over the long haul.

 

[msudaisy26]

Let's say a team signs a guy for 5 years, 250 million guaranteed. After a year or two the guy just sucks, and is a horrible guy to have around. Can't be traded, nobody wants him.
Let's say that player is cut. How would that affect the teams salary cap, and how would it affect their ability to pay players over the course of the next few seasons?

Nobody?

It works both ways. The way it is set up now only the team benefits. Player sucks they cut him. Player out plays his deal and nothing especially for rookies. Micah Parsons is one of the best defensive players in the league and makes peanuts compared to other great players at his position.

Deals either need to be guaranteed fully with no renegotiations until the last year or the players should have some kind of out or clause that raises their pay if they severely out perform the contract.

 

[msudaisy26]

How is the NFLPA not looking into collusion here? There is no way in hell that a 26 year old former MVP QB would get zero calls into a free agency period even with a tag.

I don't even think Lamar is that good of a QB, but there isn't enough of them to go around where he wouldn't get some calls.

 

[ghostguy123]

Let's say a team signs a guy for 5 years, 250 million guaranteed. After a year or two the guy just sucks, and is a horrible guy to have around. Can't be traded, nobody wants him.
Let's say that player is cut. How would that affect the teams salary cap, and how would it affect their ability to pay players over the course of the next few seasons?

Nobody?

It works both ways. The way it is set up now only the team benefits. Player sucks they cut him. Player out plays his deal and nothing especially for rookies. Micah Parsons is one of the best defensive players in the league and makes peanuts compared to other great players at his position.

Deals either need to be guaranteed fully with no renegotiations until the last year or the players should have some kind of out or clause that raises their pay if they severely out perform the contract.

More guarantees for the lower paid guys, sure.
But, the set up now only benefits the team?? There's a lot of players out there right now who made a lot of guaranteed money who severely UNDER performed

 

[msudaisy26]

Let's say a team signs a guy for 5 years, 250 million guaranteed. After a year or two the guy just sucks, and is a horrible guy to have around. Can't be traded, nobody wants him.
Let's say that player is cut. How would that affect the teams salary cap, and how would it affect their ability to pay players over the course of the next few seasons?

Nobody?

It works both ways. The way it is set up now only the team benefits. Player sucks they cut him. Player out plays his deal and nothing especially for rookies. Micah Parsons is one of the best defensive players in the league and makes peanuts compared to other great players at his position.

Deals either need to be guaranteed fully with no renegotiations until the last year or the players should have some kind of out or clause that raises their pay if they severely out perform the contract.

More guarantees for the lower paid guys, sure.
But, the set up now only benefits the team?? There's a lot of players out there right now who made a lot of guaranteed money who severely UNDER performed

Like who?

 

[ghostguy123]

Let's say a team signs a guy for 5 years, 250 million guaranteed. After a year or two the guy just sucks, and is a horrible guy to have around. Can't be traded, nobody wants him.
Let's say that player is cut. How would that affect the teams salary cap, and how would it affect their ability to pay players over the course of the next few seasons?

Nobody?

It works both ways. The way it is set up now only the team benefits. Player sucks they cut him. Player out plays his deal and nothing especially for rookies. Micah Parsons is one of the best defensive players in the league and makes peanuts compared to other great players at his position.

Deals either need to be guaranteed fully with no renegotiations until the last year or the players should have some kind of out or clause that raises their pay if they severely out perform the contract.

More guarantees for the lower paid guys, sure.
But, the set up now only benefits the team?? There's a lot of players out there right now who made a lot of guaranteed money who severely UNDER performed

Like who?

Let's say a team signs a guy for 5 years, 250 million guaranteed. After a year or two the guy just sucks, and is a horrible guy to have around. Can't be traded, nobody wants him.
Let's say that player is cut. How would that affect the teams salary cap, and how would it affect their ability to pay players over the course of the next few seasons?

Nobody?

It works both ways. The way it is set up now only the team benefits. Player sucks they cut him. Player out plays his deal and nothing especially for rookies. Micah Parsons is one of the best defensive players in the league and makes peanuts compared to other great players at his position.

Deals either need to be guaranteed fully with no renegotiations until the last year or the players should have some kind of out or clause that raises their pay if they severely out perform the contract.

More guarantees for the lower paid guys, sure.
But, the set up now only benefits the team?? There's a lot of players out there right now who made a lot of guaranteed money who severely UNDER performed

Like who?

Watson, lol

 

[wgoldsph]

Come into the thread for Lamar Jackson talk, get reminded of how toothless the players association is.

 

[msudaisy26]

Let's say a team signs a guy for 5 years, 250 million guaranteed. After a year or two the guy just sucks, and is a horrible guy to have around. Can't be traded, nobody wants him.
Let's say that player is cut. How would that affect the teams salary cap, and how would it affect their ability to pay players over the course of the next few seasons?

Nobody?

It works both ways. The way it is set up now only the team benefits. Player sucks they cut him. Player out plays his deal and nothing especially for rookies. Micah Parsons is one of the best defensive players in the league and makes peanuts compared to other great players at his position.

Deals either need to be guaranteed fully with no renegotiations until the last year or the players should have some kind of out or clause that raises their pay if they severely out perform the contract.

More guarantees for the lower paid guys, sure.
But, the set up now only benefits the team?? There's a lot of players out there right now who made a lot of guaranteed money who severely UNDER performed

Like who?

Let's say a team signs a guy for 5 years, 250 million guaranteed. After a year or two the guy just sucks, and is a horrible guy to have around. Can't be traded, nobody wants him.
Let's say that player is cut. How would that affect the teams salary cap, and how would it affect their ability to pay players over the course of the next few seasons?

Nobody?

It works both ways. The way it is set up now only the team benefits. Player sucks they cut him. Player out plays his deal and nothing especially for rookies. Micah Parsons is one of the best defensive players in the league and makes peanuts compared to other great players at his position.

Deals either need to be guaranteed fully with no renegotiations until the last year or the players should have some kind of out or clause that raises their pay if they severely out perform the contract.

More guarantees for the lower paid guys, sure.
But, the set up now only benefits the team?? There's a lot of players out there right now who made a lot of guaranteed money who severely UNDER performed

Like who?

Watson, lol

You can't count 6 bad games in the first year of a contract after almost 2 years off from football as a bad deal.

Now if he looks this way towards the end of next year then I would agree.

 

[dutch]

Just out of curiosity I looked up guaranteed salaries in the NFL; without looking it up can yuse guess which positions are garnering the highest guarantees after qb?

 

[BassNBrew]

Just out of curiosity I looked up guaranteed salaries in the NFL; without looking it up can yuse guess which positions are garnering the highest guarantees after qb?

Punters or WRs.

 

[dutch]

Going by total guarantee and not full or percentage Wr is third with the next position close behind.

This is all based on my extensive research which includes five minutes of googling and one site for the numbers. Your mileage may vary.

 

[Yenrub]

Just out of curiosity I looked up guaranteed salaries in the NFL; without looking it up can yuse guess which positions are garnering the highest guarantees after qb?

LT?
I see Tunsil just signed the richest contract for a LT in league history, 3 years 75M - 50M fully guaranteed - without an agent BTW

 

[dutch]

According to this O-line is 5th after Qb, Edge Rusher, Wr and Cb.

 

[fatness]

With Greg Roman gone as OC, hopefully Lamar will no longer have to deal with the most constipated offense in the NFL.

2021

According to Next Gen Stats, the Ravens have faced the shallowest safety alignment in the league in each of the past three seasons. And if you’re wondering whether that’s a product of Lamar’s perceived shortcomings as a passer, know that Aaron Rodgers’s Packers rank just above the Ravens in that stat for the 2021 season.

Before we get into the details of how defenses are slowing Baltimore’s offense, let’s briefly talk about how Roman designs his scheme. Not much has changed since Roman served as Jim Harbaugh’s offensive coordinator in San Francisco a decade ago. He’s still using extra backs and tight ends to help block up power run concepts. And while he’s added pre-snap motion elements to mess with defenders’ reads and create better blocking angles, he’s been aided by the help of the greatest running talent we’ve ever seen at the quarterback position.

All the cool **** the Ravens do in the run game comes at a cost. In order to get that fullback on the field, you have to take a receiver off. In order to run that receiver on a jet motion before the snap, you have to accept that it eliminates him as a true vertical threat. In order to field those condensed, run-heavy formations, you have to live with heavier boxes. All of this makes defending the run a lot harder for the defense, but it constricts the space the defense has to account for in the passing game.

this has been a common theme for the offense since Roman took over in 2019, and defenses have answered by moving their safeties closer to the line of scrimmage. According to Next Gen Stats, the Ravens have faced the shallowest safety alignment in the league in each of the past three seasons. And if you’re wondering whether that’s a product of Lamar’s perceived shortcomings as a passer, know that Aaron Rodgers’s Packers rank just above the Ravens in that stat for the 2021 season.

 

[metoo]

My disconnect is that people think if he had an agent, he would drop this silly quest for fully guaranteed, and sign a Raven-friendly contract.

He would still be going for fully guaranteed, the only difference is that half of the "Sources with knowledge" quotes would be sympathetic to Lamar, rather than the narrative that we have now, which is the poor pluckyy Ravens trying to give him a more than fair deal, and Lamar's MOM IS MESSING EVERYTHING UP

I wish I could like this 100 times.

 

[-OZ-]

How is the NFLPA not looking into collusion here? There is no way in hell that a 26 year old former MVP QB would get zero calls into a free agency period even with a tag.

I don't even think Lamar is that good of a QB, but there isn't enough of them to go around where he wouldn't get some calls.

Problem is, every team has a legitimate reason to not be interested. It’s surprising that none of the QB needy teams are kicking the tires, but not for any one of them.

 

[Capella]

Well, we went from can't read defenses, needs years of bench time, wildly inaccurate, he's RGIII

Don’t forget the idiotic “he will have to learn wide receiver” takes.

 

[msudaisy26]

How is the NFLPA not looking into collusion here? There is no way in hell that a 26 year old former MVP QB would get zero calls into a free agency period even with a tag.

I don't even think Lamar is that good of a QB, but there isn't enough of them to go around where he wouldn't get some calls.

Problem is, every team has a legitimate reason to not be interested. It’s surprising that none of the QB needy teams are kicking the tires, but not for any one of them.

Of course every team has a reason. 26 year year old MVPs don't become free agents if there isn't a flaw.

I don't think the flaw means no one should try to contact him. NFL teams have traded for and paid guys a ton of money that have done way worse things then Lamar.

 

[-OZ-]

How is the NFLPA not looking into collusion here? There is no way in hell that a 26 year old former MVP QB would get zero calls into a free agency period even with a tag.

I don't even think Lamar is that good of a QB, but there isn't enough of them to go around where he wouldn't get some calls.

Problem is, every team has a legitimate reason to not be interested. It’s surprising that none of the QB needy teams are kicking the tires, but not for any one of them.

Of course every team has a reason. 26 year year old MVPs don't become free agents if there isn't a flaw.

I don't think the flaw means no one should try to contact him. NFL teams have traded for and paid guys a ton of money that have done way worse things then Lamar.

totally agreed. Has Lamar done anything “bad”? I honestly don’t recall.