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QB Malik Willis, GB (1 Viewer)

Does Malik Willis have ANY dynasty value moving forward? He's already listed third on the Titans depth chart behind Levis and Rudolph. I'm trying to decide if he's even worth a roster spot in a dynasty league. Curious to hear the community's thoughts. Thanks in advance.
I wouldn't hold him.

His candle isn't out. After an awful offense for development in college, he has a huge learning curve.
His OMG arm and OMG speed are obvious. Malik brings up conversations we should have about prospects and not just talk physical attributes during the Combine.
There's an obvious strong reasons to count him out but he worked as hard as any QB in the NFL last year. Possibly he improved more than any QB too. He consistently has coaches say how coachable he is and spends his down time working with QB gurus. He's a super nice guy which does matter when you're in his shoes too.
He beat Levis out in camp. He held him off and won the backup job. Tannehill got hurt and he looked soooo nervous and out of sorts for what was a very short time. Levis went in and did OK then rocked his next start and Willis never got another chance. It really wasn't much of an opportunity for Willis and we didn't at all see the guy that was vastly improved last camp.
A lot of people have been short sighted and wanting to validate their predraft or preseason predictions about Willis playing last year. 5?10? plays doesn't make a career.

Alot of guys had him last summer being used as a tool to develop Levis. No doubt there were times and coaching competition tricks but not at the end of camp and not when Vrabel announced him as the 2. He was a player and he did do well last summer. Ya can't blow that off entirely. Levis had practices where he threw five TDs and Malik threw six. He beat him and idk when a "first round" QB has ever been beaten out before. Malik though is a "first round" QB too that also fell.

I go back to the coachable comments from everyone and how many reporters were stunned last summer. Titans have several 15-30 year reporters so they aren't easy to stun either. He needed a whole new process from the snap. His feet and steps, his throwing motion, everything. He worked with gurus and did it. That is so hard to do. He looked great in drills- big deal right? Well it's the opportunity given and that's all he had to work with. Then he looked good in team stuff and...hmmm.

Flop in little action no doubt.

Mini camp, new staff not sure if he'll make the team. Had issues picking up the new offense but they loved him staying late and asking questions. Nuk singled him out as being the hardest worker and said he's never not seen him at the facility. Rudolph looked like the clear veteran that was so smooth and so much better than Willis.
Two days into camp, not in pads yet, the offense stunk the first day and coach brought him up as making every read correctly and throwing where we wanted it thrown. Inference the others didn't. Coach brought up it's a competition for the backup spot and it didn't look like that in minicamp nor were there quotes it would be. This guy had to go home and work on whatever he needed and come back with issues fixed to pull that off.

Count this guy out. I have. No one is crazy enough to predict success at this point.
His ability to learn and be coached is phenomenal so you drop him from FF and leave a post it on your second monitor with his name on it. Maybe it's a stop in the UFL then beating out someone in an NFL camp for him. Idk but leave a light on for an exceptional learner
 
Does Malik Willis have ANY dynasty value moving forward? He's already listed third on the Titans depth chart behind Levis and Rudolph. I'm trying to decide if he's even worth a roster spot in a dynasty league. Curious to hear the community's thoughts. Thanks in advance.
In real deep SF, yeah I suppose so. Any other format, absolutely not.
 
Does Malik Willis have ANY dynasty value moving forward? He's already listed third on the Titans depth chart behind Levis and Rudolph. I'm trying to decide if he's even worth a roster spot in a dynasty league. Curious to hear the community's thoughts. Thanks in advance.

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Malik had an outstanding day. One single incompletion on a beautiful bomb in WR Oliver's breadbasket that he should have had.

Reporters raving and some can't believe it.
From atoz
"This was probably the sharpest I've ever seen Willis in a Titans uniform. Maybe more important than his accuracy was the aggressive approach he had in the pocket. There was no hesitation, fear, or delayed reaction from the 25-year-old quarterback on Saturday.

"I've been really pleased with Malik. I think both of those quarterbacks have really done a nice job," said Titans head coach Brian Callahan after practice regarding Willis and veteran Mason Rudolph. "Malik came out and had a nice day with some aggressive throws. He's really done a nice job knowing what to do and where to go with the football. I'm really pleased with how he played today. It was a good day for Malik."

From Willis-

"This is my third offense. I've been able to retain the information from all three and learn the entire process. I've made my mistakes, but I feel like I've learned a lot and I just feel more comfortable making certain decisions," Willis told me about his aggressive decisions and strong practice.

"Y'all haven't seen much. You can see what you can and you can make your best narrative, or best decision on what it was...But at the same time, I haven't played a lot of football at this level," Willis told me.
 
It means as much as one day of training camp without pads means plus a little more.

Practice was in front of fans w news people and cameras and all that spread word in our day to day sooo it might mean a bit more.
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It certainly begins to increase to where he may have trade value OR begins to give the Titans a reason to continue to develop him
 
It means as much as one day of training camp without pads means plus a little more.

Practice was in front of fans w news people and cameras and all that spread word in our day to day sooo it might mean a bit more.
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It certainly begins to increase to where he may have trade value OR begins to give the Titans a reason to continue to develop him
well, everyone looks good early in camp. its late in camp you wanna look good. this is a nice start for him but hes got a long road to rejuvinate his career. Needs to be consistently good
 
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This video is being bumped today. Willis has idk how many passing snaps til Levis takes over for him the next game. I'd say 20 for discussion. During most of the 16 (20-4) he looked wow nervous.

NPF being awful. Tim Kelly somehow working as an OC and scheming plays where three routes go to the same spot is head banging frustrating.The LT and LG are not doing Willis any favors on these plays either.

Willis is still expected to survive and thrive. It's how QBs are judged and will never change.

Levis did what Willis didn't.

I can 💯 leave a door open and say my goodness that's an awful spot for a young QB and such a brief chance to show what he can do BUT that doesn't change anything as far as where any of them are at now.
 
Willis is still having a very good camp and still showing improvement where he's clearly better than prior years but the practice time is starting to shift as it does for third stringers. He only threw ten passes today.

Wyatt has Rudolph at 83 percent completion rate so far and that's flat out unbeatable. Until he comes down to earth, there's no competition and Willis just has to keep doing well and wait for preseason
 
Another very good day but again w minimal opportunity.
Rudolph unbelievably increased his percentage to 84% and the reporters asked if Willis will get time with the twos. Coach about said he will get time with them but he doesn't want to mess with the good he sees on second string. Which is essentially close to a No
 
You know how i feel about rudolph. I seent him play on festivus in pittsburgh when he tore up the bengals. The best offensive performance for the steelers in probly 3 years.

Luckily for Willis the NFL added that emergency quarterback roster spot. So thats good. Perhaps they could work him into the rb rotation too, having Henry gone now.
 
Malik is supposedly on the trade block and Titans looking for offers
I can't imagine him having much trade value.
Yeah, probably 6th 7th.

Pat Kirwan probably said it too much years ago so he stopped saying it but...he used to often say that NFL coaches either love or hate having a different style backup QB. He'd say there is certainly no middle ground whatsoever and it can be a huge pet peeve of theirs. IIRC there was a story of Parcells putting Hostetler at WR initially because he was annoyed he kept running around.

Besides good guy work ethic stuff, I'm guessing this is his value- a GM shushing a coach
 
If I'm a GM I'm certainly adding Malik on the cheap...probably wouldn't give draft capital, but if I have a coaching staff that has a proven track record of developing running QBs...hell yeah I'd bring him on board as QB3

A few teams that come to mind

Indy
Baltimore
 
If I'm a GM I'm certainly adding Malik on the cheap...probably wouldn't give draft capital, but if I have a coaching staff that has a proven track record of developing running QBs...hell yeah I'd bring him on board as QB3

A few teams that come to mind

Indy
Baltimore
Baltimore makes sense. Josh Johnson is their backup QB and I honestly didn't know he was still in the league.
 
If I'm a GM I'm certainly adding Malik on the cheap...probably wouldn't give draft capital, but if I have a coaching staff that has a proven track record of developing running QBs...hell yeah I'd bring him on board as QB3

A few teams that come to mind

Indy
Baltimore
Baltimore makes sense. Josh Johnson is their backup QB and I honestly didn't know he was still in the league.
Josh is either intelligent or appears it with vast experience of playing for half the NFL and spring league teams. Many have debated future coach or analyst. A few years back someone said look at how rookies have done that played with him and then there's Brock Purdy taking the Niners deep in the playoffs. Sooo Josh is a QB room guy. Idk that the Ravens need him or don't to comment on that but Malik would surely benefit from Josh is he can stay as 2 and Malik 3.
 
Every QB had an INT today in their get ready for the first preseason game practice. Callahan noted Malik's composure and then said each of the QBs went about their business and didn't let it effect them and was very pleased with that.
He said he's looking forward to seeing Malik and Rudolph get a lot of playing time this week
 
Play of the game to Bryce Oliver but called back. Exceptional throw/placement to the sideline for most, ordinary good throw for seasoned veterans.
Showed his wheels at the right time in the right context.
Possibly the most I can ever remember someone clearly learning year to year when he doesn't even really play. Looks like an NFL QB and not "ooh he's talented, he may develop someday."

The Jets were mentioned (Elsewhere, social media, not noteworthy) as a possible (7th) trade destination but UFL MVP Adrian Martinez looked as poised and confident in a preseason game as he did the UFL and caught everyone's eye. They were the best spot and now I'm doubtful. Idk where he could go in a trade. Baltimore mentioned previously.

I have no idea how this staff is with cuts but I'd assume they're in no rush to cut a guy with his intangibles AND his ability to emulate on the PS.

Numbers- many of the Titans depth players are actually good on ST this year so it doesn't have the usual flavor of that messing up end of roster thoughts.
 
Anyway they could turn Malik into a Taysom Hill type of player?
I don't know
We've been all saying we wanted it and it never happened under Vrabel.
New coach could theoretically but surely the priority is learning his new offense. Maybe a wrinkle in season
 
Seahawks joint practice-
He looked awful and nervous. Some coach (idk who, notes are a coach) barking at him, called him to sideline, sent him back out and he did very well after.
 
Coach said it'll go down to the final game deciding who the 2 is.
First of all- kudos to Malik because again he battled way better than anyone predicted.

Rudolph's 82% completion rate has dropped but it's still OMG. He has a veterans way of calming things and not only did I expect he's win the 2 spot but that if Levis falters, he could sub in.

Coach talking of history today was a surprise I didn't see coming but should have. Something like "there's a history there we've played against Rudolph and prepared for him" with negative tone. That really takes the shine off a good summer. Or does it? It's really interesting to guess which way they think.

He went on to say they may keep three may put one on PS and keep two, may just keep two. That hasn't been decided at all and will come down to numbers.

Both will play week three

Reposting in Rudolph thread.
 
A few known QB tape review guys/former players have taken to Twitter "jumping on" the tape reviews of Titans bloggers of today.

At times maybe a bit harsh, maybe a bit had it coming, but it's all very interesting to me. Amidst it all they're talking Malik. They're pointing out this read not that read, this is a hot, not that and some good schooling going on if you want to search for it on X.
 
Willis and Rudolph had good days.
Since Rudolph came down to earth with his accuracy it's been painted as suddenly way closer between he and Malik.
I doubt it. I mean I'm keeping a vet with experience behind the young green starter.

But this is almost as woah as Willis beating out Levis last year.

I don't think a cut is likely or that only keeping two is.

IF IF IF that freak athlete is close to being ready, well then we've seen that type has excellent value in today's NFL. If you couple that with the GameDay exception for third QBs...I figure he makes it.

Imagining replies of "I can't believe" and lemme beat ya to it because I can't either. He's passing the eye test of film guys and casual on X, besides the Titans so there's no way you can understate he made progress. I still think the issue is nerves but there isn't a coach on earth that doesn't think they can fix that with some experience.

Tangent but not starting another thread- I've been reading of UFL stud QB in Jets camp and how essentially he's just walked on and been "the man" from day one and ...ya know that reminds me that all Titans QBs have doubt attached. When Jets fans mention Rodgers or Martinez there's none. Titans still have goals and need to get to that assured point.
 
Malik Willis – 90-of-139 overall (64.7%), with 4 interceptions (29-of-45 in 7-on-7, 61-of-91 in team periods)
 
I think he's shown enough progress.

Nerves will be his downside til he proves he's "cured* and that 4th down play was certainly a sign.

He looks like a QB and not "well he's sure got a lot of athleticism."

He still needs experience and is still a UFL perfect candidate if they'd sign a minor league deal with the NFL.

As is, I'm not panicking if he goes in.
The "trust the WR and throw to where only he can get it" stuff is NFL level progress. His head seems to get it and not force it or just run instead.

Elite athleticism isn't easy to cut or give up on. Many do predict he's cut. Whatever happens, he's been great to watch develop and read about. If so, his work ethic and good guy stuff will definitely get him another chance after his athleticism is invited for a tryout.

I think he sticks or is traded. He's worth a ton if he pans out and he's much closer now.
 
The Packers have released both training camp hopefuls - Clifford and Pratt - meaning Willis will almost certainly start the season as #2 behind Love. I'd imagine the team is likely hopeful that Pratt will survive waivers and be the #3 to start the season.
 
The Packers have released both training camp hopefuls - Clifford and Pratt - meaning Willis will almost certainly start the season as #2 behind Love. I'd imagine the team is likely hopeful that Pratt will survive waivers and be the #3 to start the season.
I am seeing reports that the Packers would prefer Clifford over Pratt for the practice squad.
 
The Packers have released both training camp hopefuls - Clifford and Pratt - meaning Willis will almost certainly start the season as #2 behind Love. I'd imagine the team is likely hopeful that Pratt will survive waivers and be the #3 to start the season.
Clifford was very well thought of last summer and last season in practice. He's an intelligent QB. He didn't have a good summer this year though.
They liked Pratt too but with a year of Clifford and interactions with inexperienced Love, they prefer Clifford.
The Titans know Clifford well enough and could possibly pick him up as their third string. They scouted him and then went back at him to ask Levis questions. Callahan is a QB gurus and many are wondering if he needs a raw project as third string. His relationship with Levis won't hurt either.
Back to the Pack-
Lafleur is a former OC of the Titans but he didn't coach Willis. Willis had Downing and Kelly who are negatively viewed and then Callahan. That's not easy for a young QB. Lafleur's contacts that have worked with Malik raved about his work ethic and coachability and ...supposedly Lafleur similarly wants his project.
The concept I hear is the Pack are still looking for a veteran backup and would put Malik as third.
As Snoopy said, Clifford may be onto the PS if he clears and may be active week one.

Tannehill mentioned Lafleur months ago when he said he wants $ and to start. He's probably best available QB but as long as he wants to play and considerable $ he's really waiting on an injury replacement job.

It's been an odd Titans Pack intertwined day that I'd have guessed of years ago, not today.

Look for the Pack to add a veteran tho
 
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The Packers have released both training camp hopefuls - Clifford and Pratt - meaning Willis will almost certainly start the season as #2 behind Love. I'd imagine the team is likely hopeful that Pratt will survive waivers and be the #3 to start the season.
I am seeing reports that the Packers would prefer Clifford over Pratt for the practice squad.

same - that's the current rumor among those who peddle in Packers rumors
 
Watching the oh so brief videos of him with the Packers at practice and the interviews make ya think one thing- good for him!
Guy has this big smile he often flashed in the predraft process and.... goodness I don't think I've seen that since. He's had a tough road and he's always got the I just worked hard look and...it's very odd to think woah he's smiling.

Whether it's finding out his new teammate is the former Titans backup K or that he jogged and hugged former HS teammate Xavier McKinney.....more good for him vibes.

The Packers GM was raving about the progress he's made as a pro. He was discussing how everyone they talked to predraft raved of his character and anytime they can get someone like that it's good. What caught his eye was on the scout prep work, Malik had a lot of negatives he needed to work on and in this preseason alone, he proved he fixed all of them. He explained that's really the process in "do I pick up a young player that's been in the league"- look at the negatives on the scouting report and see if they've worked on them. He's never seen or heard of a player like Malik, fixing so many negatives.
Lafleur spoke similarly on the radio. He explained how besides the obvious, coaches are looking for coachability and character of WW prospects and Malik's were off the charts.
Lafleur credited the Titans with development and Malik with going to QB trainers and then talked of how this is Malik's 4th offense and he's only going into his third year. He explained there's some concept and verbiage that he'll know right away having both been with the Titans. He said he could probably play week one or the next week but he has made it a point to tell everyone the best thing they can do for Malik is not put expectations on him so he won't.
During post practice interview, he said Malik and Clifford will run second team and scout team and see how it goes.
Jordan Love kind of fought interview Qs that would have had him bad mouthing prior backups progress and then said how Malik launched one and the D had given up on the play and then he stopped short again. Sounds like typical young guy trying not to bite on negativity and Malik must've thrown one way further than the DBs expected.

Lafleur interviewed again said similar but tried to stop himself short of saying Clifford isn't the athlete Malik is; shifted to Clifford intelligence compliment. He said what's obvious to anyone is Malik looks tense and they believe getting him to relax and just play the game now will be huge in his development. He said "London" said he was the most fun QB he ever worked with. How everyday he'd know Malik worked on whatever he taught so he had to come to practice with something new ready to teach him and then think on am I asking this guy to learn too much. Lafleur thinks that was probably true and probably unavoidable as he needed to learn a lot but the Packers are going to be about utilizing where he is now. He said he could hear a sigh of relief from Malik when he explained they're not going to work on any technique in season and that's what he wants to present to Malik-show us what you can do.

Fun video of some Packers running some sprints and several Packers reacting to Malik beating WRs and CBs.

Malik had a good interview where he spoke of all the effort he put in and said he was not proud of the results yet. Lot of grumbling by reporters I guess they expected a cocky response and got a "real" answer instead. Q about his arm strength and he explained there's not a lot of plays that call for a deep shot. It's cool to about watch the Packers local media see how he's just a straight up good guy, straight shooter type.
 
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Traded to the Packers for a 2025 7th.
:bye:
I still don’t mind that they took the risk but dude can’t play.
Still think he could be a RB/KR. But GB will abslutely see if they can develop him at QB.
I don't think this is at all what the Packers will do
Sorry short response.
Lafleur is genuinely looking forward to working with him and he had a wayyy more positive reaction than one would expect about acquiring a guy you get for a seventh.
The Packers had some gadgety plays for Alex McGough and he's nowhere near the athlete Malik is so I'm sure they could use such plays but Lafleur was all about him as a QB.
 
I don't think Malik replaces Love if he's injured.
They'll try and get Tannehill or elevate Clifford or find McGough and bring him back.

Tannehill is a stretch because he didn't play under Lafleur but ran a Titans offense that used his verbage and some of his plays. Still...more confidence he can get acclimated quick than Malik
 
Players and former QBs seems to all say something like Malik is starting and if he doesn't then why did they trade for him? Then they push on Lafleur like if he can't coach this then he shouldn't coach. I wasn't prepared for that defense of Malik's opportunity stance.

Reporters seem to all be saying- sign someone.

Fans have all varying opinions.

Just saying what I see. It's very interesting
 

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