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[Faust]

NFL Draft 2015: How good is Oregon quarterback Marcus Mariota?

 

[Capella]

Eagles' shot at Mariota in other hands

With the 10th pick, the Eagles would be in much better position to move up to the first or second spot to draft Mariota. They could package players and picks in this draft or future drafts. Tampa Bay, which has the first pick, would be more likely to be interested in a deal that would still allow them to draft in the top 10 this year.

Tampa can't come out of this draft without their QBOTF. If the Eagles traded Foles to St. Louis the Bucs would no longer have a reason to engage in talks with them.

Sure they can. If they bolster up everywhere else, Glennon and McCown could keep them a float and give them a filler for 1 more year. Find a QB in '16 and all of a sudden they could be playoff contenders. I doubt that Tampa doesn't take a QB but they can survive 1 more year without their "QBOTF"

This is horrible. No.

 

[cstu]

NFL Draft 2015: How good is Oregon quarterback Marcus Mariota?

Eagles head coach Chip Kelly, who recruited him and coached him at Oregon, isn't Marcus Mariota's only fan in the NFL ranks.

According to a long-time executive in personnel for another NFC team, with an impeccable track record of evaluating quarterbacks, Mariota is the best player in the draft and one of the best quarterbacks to come out of the college ranks in years.

"He's not as good as (Andrew) Luck,'' the executive said of the Colts' current quarterback. "Luck was the best I've scouted in years. But over the past five, six years, he's the second best.''

"That would be something,'' he said of a Kelly/Mariota reunion. "That quarterback in that offense. It could be pretty scary. There's no doubt Chip wants him. It's perfect. It's just a matter of can he get him.''

"People are saying that system quarterback stuff,'' he said. "That cracks me up. This kid is extremely talented. He's exactly what you want. If you take him and you don't play that system, you should. I mean, the system works.''

"If (Jacksonville) Blake Bortles was the No. 3 pick last year,'' he said. "This kid has to be No. 1. There is no comparison between the two.''

"Winston is over rated,'' he said of the Florida State quarterback. "Forget all the off the field stuff, if you can, show me a quarterback who turns over the ball like that who has made it in the NFL?''

What about the rest of this year's crop of quarterbacks?

UCLA's Brett Hundley: "He's bad,'' the executive said.

Colorado State's Garrett Grayson: "No,'' was the response.

Baylor's Bryce Petty: "Not good,'' he said.

Oregon State's Sean Mannion: "Terrible,'' was the one-word reply.

 

[Grahamburn]

Some of us see the physical traits, the athleticism, and the intangibles. In other words, the upside. Others can only see the system.

 

[cstu]

http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/2015/01/30/tampa-bay-buccaneers-determined-to-land-marcus-mariota-in-2015-nfl-draft/

The Tampa Bay Buccaneers have taken the theories of the Philadelphia Eagles trading up to select Oregon Ducks signal caller Marcus Mariota and Florida State Seminoles’ Jameis Winston being the best quarterback prospect in the 2015 NFL Draft and tossed them out the window.

Tampa Bay is determined to land Mariota with the No. 1 overall pick, which means they have no interest in listening to trade offers from the Eagles or any other team that may be interested in moving up. Even though there is still a real possibility the Buccaneers do trade away the top pick, the evidence is certainly stacked in favor of them keeping it.

ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter stated, “There’s a real sense that Tampa Bay has its sights set on Oregon quarterback Marcus Mariota.”

Of course, Schefter also wisely pointed out that there is still three months to go until the draft. That means there is plenty of time for Tampa Bay to change their mind, especially depending on what happens at the combine and what they learn in interviews with Mariota.

As of right now, the popular selection for the No. 1 overall pick in the draft is Winston. Physically, he has all the makings of an NFL quarterback. Obviously, his off-the-field issues are what will prevent teams from taking him. With that said, if those issues did not exist, there is no question he would be the unanimous top pick. If the Buccaneers conclude Winston is mentally stable and mature enough to handle being a starting NFL quarterback, there is reason to believe they make him the star of their future.

What it comes down to is do the Buccaneers want the Andrew Luck or the Robert Griffin III of the 2015 NFL Draft. There is no guarantee either player will be on the level of Luck, but the point is missing out on the better of the two quarterbacks could be devastating for a franchise.

 

[massraider]

Of course, Schefter also wisely pointed out that there is still three months to go until the draft. That means there is plenty of time for Tampa Bay to change their mind, especially depending on what happens at the combine and what they learn in interviews with Mariota.

The useful portion of the blurb.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Citing team sources, Bleacher Report's Jason Cole reports the Browns will give "very strong consideration" to trading up for Oregon QB Marcus Mariota.
With the No. 12 and 19 picks, and 10 selections overall, the Browns certainly have the ammo for a move up, but it's possible they'd have to vault all the way to No. 1. ESPN's Adam Schefter has reported there's a "real sense" the Bucs are eyeing the Heisman Trophy winner. There will be lots of offseason noise about the Browns moving on from Johnny Manziel, but a serious move for Mariota is an unlikely avenue. If nothing else, the reports serve as a way for Cleveland to try to scare Manziel straight.

Related: Browns

Source: Bleacher Report
Feb 3 - 7:19 PM

 

[cstu]

Rotoworld:

Citing team sources, Bleacher Report's Jason Cole reports the Browns will give "very strong consideration" to trading up for Oregon QB Marcus Mariota.
With the No. 12 and 19 picks, and 10 selections overall, the Browns certainly have the ammo for a move up, but it's possible they'd have to vault all the way to No. 1. ESPN's Adam Schefter has reported there's a "real sense" the Bucs are eyeing the Heisman Trophy winner. There will be lots of offseason noise about the Browns moving on from Johnny Manziel, but a serious move for Mariota is an unlikely avenue. If nothing else, the reports serve as a way for Cleveland to try to scare Manziel straight.

Related: Browns

Source: Bleacher Report
Feb 3 - 7:19 PM

I'm entertained at the thought of Mariota taking Manziel's job twice.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Marcus Mariota - QB - Ducks

Oregon QB Marcus Mariota can "uncork throws quickly and without resetting feet when necessary," wrote NFL Media draft analyst Lance Zierlein

"Quick-twitch quarterback," Zierlein wrote. "Rare straight-line speed for the position. Defenses must account for ability outside the pocket. Able to make off-balance, difficult throws." The 6-foot-4, 215-pound Heisman winner is in the mix to go No. 1, along with Jameis Winston.

Source: NFL.com

Feb 4 - 12:49 AM

 

[gchip]

Rotoworld:

Citing team sources, Bleacher Report's Jason Cole reports the Browns will give "very strong consideration" to trading up for Oregon QB Marcus Mariota.
With the No. 12 and 19 picks, and 10 selections overall, the Browns certainly have the ammo for a move up, but it's possible they'd have to vault all the way to No. 1. ESPN's Adam Schefter has reported there's a "real sense" the Bucs are eyeing the Heisman Trophy winner. There will be lots of offseason noise about the Browns moving on from Johnny Manziel, but a serious move for Mariota is an unlikely avenue. If nothing else, the reports serve as a way for Cleveland to try to scare Manziel straight.

Related: Browns

Source: Bleacher Report
Feb 3 - 7:19 PM

I'm entertained at the thought of Mariota taking Manziel's job twice.

And if I'm Mariota, I would do everything in my power to avoid the Browns. The ownership & current FO have so far shown zero clue that they know how to manage things.

I would not want my career tanked (for the length of the rookie contract at least) by going there.

 

[Grahamburn]

Rotoworld:

Citing team sources, Bleacher Report's Jason Cole reports the Browns will give "very strong consideration" to trading up for Oregon QB Marcus Mariota.
With the No. 12 and 19 picks, and 10 selections overall, the Browns certainly have the ammo for a move up, but it's possible they'd have to vault all the way to No. 1. ESPN's Adam Schefter has reported there's a "real sense" the Bucs are eyeing the Heisman Trophy winner. There will be lots of offseason noise about the Browns moving on from Johnny Manziel, but a serious move for Mariota is an unlikely avenue. If nothing else, the reports serve as a way for Cleveland to try to scare Manziel straight.

Related: Browns

Source: Bleacher Report
Feb 3 - 7:19 PM

Bucs get:

Manziel

Joe Thomas

#12 overall

#19 overall

2015 2nd rounder

2016 1st and 2nd rounders

Browns get:

#1 overall

Deal?

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Rotoworld:

Citing team sources, Bleacher Report's Jason Cole reports the Browns will give "very strong consideration" to trading up for Oregon QB Marcus Mariota.
With the No. 12 and 19 picks, and 10 selections overall, the Browns certainly have the ammo for a move up, but it's possible they'd have to vault all the way to No. 1. ESPN's Adam Schefter has reported there's a "real sense" the Bucs are eyeing the Heisman Trophy winner. There will be lots of offseason noise about the Browns moving on from Johnny Manziel, but a serious move for Mariota is an unlikely avenue. If nothing else, the reports serve as a way for Cleveland to try to scare Manziel straight.

Related: Browns

Source: Bleacher Report
Feb 3 - 7:19 PM

Bucs get:

Manziel

Joe Thomas

#12 overall

#19 overall

2015 2nd rounder

2016 1st and 2nd rounders

Browns get:

#1 overall

Deal?

UM, GET LOST. Joe Thomas and FOUR FIRST ROUND PICKS? Put down the crack pipe, or pick it up and take another toke.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

I took a long took at Mariota in the College National Championship game and saw a few things I hadn't in his game previously.

- Number one take away? He has the ability to look-off the safety. This is something I did not know about the kid and its highly impressive for any young NFL QB to possess that ability and extremely impressive to see it in a guy like Mariota who I had no idea had that ability.

- The Oregon offensive scheme makes projecting him into an NFL scheme difficult because they scheme-open WRs so often and use that damn hurry-up to the point its impossible to see him in situations he will face in the NFL. Having said that the game began with Oregon marching down the field and easily scoring but the Buckeyes were able to adjust to the speed of the Ducks offense and then we got to see Marcus in third and long situations and the kid did struggle early on but he began to adjust.

When first placed in third and longs he really was not good, not accurate but he did have drops by the WRs which may have been a result of the overall offense not being in synch with the timing off. But then Mariota was put in even worse situations and he came up big time IMHO. The one series he faced a third and 19 from inside his own ten but hung in the pocket under duress and nailed a deep throw for a first down. Later in the same series he converted on a third and nine and the Ducks wound up scoring that drive. Very impressive. So yeah, he struggled early when first placed in third and longs but I think he started to adjust and he made plays.

- I am really impressed with his scrambling ability. I mean really impressed. Its been pointed out by others that he doesn't drop his eyes and take off at the first sign of pressure but climbs the pocket keeping his head up and eyes trained downfield but when he makes the decision to run its under control. OK, got that but the thing is, when he takes off he's really quick and elusive. I'm a bit worried about his frame, he's got decent size but he's not massive and in the NFL he won't be able to run as much but when he takes off he's really effective.

I have to admit this is the first time I've really done any research on any of the prospects and I am changing my opinion on Mariota. I am beginning to really like him but need to do more study.

 

[Grahamburn]

UM, GET LOST. Joe Thomas and FOUR FIRST ROUND PICKS? Put down the crack pipe, or pick it up and take another toke.

Technically that's only 3 first round picks. Taking Manziel off the Browns' hands is doing them a favor so that really washes out Thomas and the 2nd rounders.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

UM, GET LOST. Joe Thomas and FOUR FIRST ROUND PICKS? Put down the crack pipe, or pick it up and take another toke.

Technically that's only 3 first round picks. Taking Manziel off the Browns' hands is doing them a favor so that really washes out Thomas and the 2nd rounders.

And the Browns just can't cut Manziel and thus have to make the most lopsided ridiculous trade in NFL history because????????????

 

[Grahamburn]

UM, GET LOST. Joe Thomas and FOUR FIRST ROUND PICKS? Put down the crack pipe, or pick it up and take another toke.

Technically that's only 3 first round picks. Taking Manziel off the Browns' hands is doing them a favor so that really washes out Thomas and the 2nd rounders.

And the Browns just can't cut Manziel and thus have to make the most lopsided ridiculous trade in NFL history because????????????

Fine. Throw Josh Gordon in too.

 

[Snotbubbles]

I took a long took at Mariota in the College National Championship game and saw a few things I hadn't in his game previously.

- Number one take away? He has the ability to look-off the safety. This is something I did not know about the kid and its highly impressive for any young NFL QB to possess that ability and extremely impressive to see it in a guy like Mariota who I had no idea had that ability.

- The Oregon offensive scheme makes projecting him into an NFL scheme difficult because they scheme-open WRs so often and use that damn hurry-up to the point its impossible to see him in situations he will face in the NFL. Having said that the game began with Oregon marching down the field and easily scoring but the Buckeyes were able to adjust to the speed of the Ducks offense and then we got to see Marcus in third and long situations and the kid did struggle early on but he began to adjust.

When first placed in third and longs he really was not good, not accurate but he did have drops by the WRs which may have been a result of the overall offense not being in synch with the timing off. But then Mariota was put in even worse situations and he came up big time IMHO. The one series he faced a third and 19 from inside his own ten but hung in the pocket under duress and nailed a deep throw for a first down. Later in the same series he converted on a third and nine and the Ducks wound up scoring that drive. Very impressive. So yeah, he struggled early when first placed in third and longs but I think he started to adjust and he made plays.

- I am really impressed with his scrambling ability. I mean really impressed. Its been pointed out by others that he doesn't drop his eyes and take off at the first sign of pressure but climbs the pocket keeping his head up and eyes trained downfield but when he makes the decision to run its under control. OK, got that but the thing is, when he takes off he's really quick and elusive. I'm a bit worried about his frame, he's got decent size but he's not massive and in the NFL he won't be able to run as much but when he takes off he's really effective.

I have to admit this is the first time I've really done any research on any of the prospects and I am changing my opinion on Mariota. I am beginning to really like him but need to do more study.

The biggest question mark for Mariota is "Does he have the ability to throw into tight spaces?" If he can't do that, then all the other stuff is pretty meaningless. The hurry up is a good tool to get defenses on their heels, but if you go 3 and out multiple times in a row, it begins to work against you.

 

[-CE-]

I took a long took at Mariota in the College National Championship game and saw a few things I hadn't in his game previously.

- Number one take away? He has the ability to look-off the safety. This is something I did not know about the kid and its highly impressive for any young NFL QB to possess that ability and extremely impressive to see it in a guy like Mariota who I had no idea had that ability.

- The Oregon offensive scheme makes projecting him into an NFL scheme difficult because they scheme-open WRs so often and use that damn hurry-up to the point its impossible to see him in situations he will face in the NFL. Having said that the game began with Oregon marching down the field and easily scoring but the Buckeyes were able to adjust to the speed of the Ducks offense and then we got to see Marcus in third and long situations and the kid did struggle early on but he began to adjust.

When first placed in third and longs he really was not good, not accurate but he did have drops by the WRs which may have been a result of the overall offense not being in synch with the timing off. But then Mariota was put in even worse situations and he came up big time IMHO. The one series he faced a third and 19 from inside his own ten but hung in the pocket under duress and nailed a deep throw for a first down. Later in the same series he converted on a third and nine and the Ducks wound up scoring that drive. Very impressive. So yeah, he struggled early when first placed in third and longs but I think he started to adjust and he made plays.

- I am really impressed with his scrambling ability. I mean really impressed. Its been pointed out by others that he doesn't drop his eyes and take off at the first sign of pressure but climbs the pocket keeping his head up and eyes trained downfield but when he makes the decision to run its under control. OK, got that but the thing is, when he takes off he's really quick and elusive. I'm a bit worried about his frame, he's got decent size but he's not massive and in the NFL he won't be able to run as much but when he takes off he's really effective.

I have to admit this is the first time I've really done any research on any of the prospects and I am changing my opinion on Mariota. I am beginning to really like him but need to do more study.

I need you to shush.

Seriously though, I'm a Ducks fan, have been watching Mariota for the last three years and this is the best write-up I've seen on him.

 

[Faust]

Marcus Mariota's best NFL fits include Buccaneers, Jets, Rams

 

[Faust]

RSP Film Room No.25: QB Marcus Mariota + the Lost Minutes

 

[Bracie Smathers]

RSP Film Room No.25: QB Marcus Mariota + the Lost Minutes

This is great stuff.

Treasure trove for anyone wanting to conduct research into Mariota's game.

Waldman put together a film breakdown of numerous aspects of Marcus' game in a video that runs for nearly two hours.

Also he did an article on Football Oustiders on Mariota where he notes that others like Tony Dungy compares Mariota's game to Aaron Rodgers or the Mel Kiper compares Mariota to Andrew Luck that Waldman has his own comparison of Mariota's game to NFL QBs Alex Smith and Mark Sanchez.

Can't cut-and-paste anything from Football Oustsiders so you have to read why he makes that comparison at the link.

Matt also says that if this class of QBs was better that he would rate Mariota only a second or third round draft pick.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/futures/2015/futures-oregon-qb-marcus-mariota

 

[cstu]

RSP Film Room No.25: QB Marcus Mariota + the Lost Minutes

This is great stuff.

Treasure trove for anyone wanting to conduct research into Mariota's game.

Waldman put together a film breakdown of numerous aspects of Marcus' game in a video that runs for nearly two hours.

Also he did an article on Football Oustiders on Mariota where he notes that others like Tony Dungy compares Mariota's game to Aaron Rodgers or the Mel Kiper compares Mariota to Andrew Luck that Waldman has his own comparison of Mariota's game to NFL QBs Alex Smith and Mark Sanchez.

Can't cut-and-paste anything from Football Oustsiders so you have to read why he makes that comparison at the link.

Matt also says that if this class of QBs was better that he would rate Mariota only a second or third round draft pick.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/futures/2015/futures-oregon-qb-marcus-mariota

Sanchez is a bad comp because he doesn't run, but I have said that Mariota's worst case scenario is Alex Smith.

 

[Faust]

Mayock: Marcus Mariota a project for every team except Eagles

 

[Grahamburn]

Why major concerns with Marcus Mariota's game are mostly fiction:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2354867-why-major-concerns-with-marcus-mariotas-game-are-mostly-fiction

Mayock probably isn't even watching tape yet.

 

[massraider]

Why major concerns with Marcus Mariota's game are mostly fiction:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2354867-why-major-concerns-with-marcus-mariotas-game-are-mostly-fiction

Mayock probably isn't even watching tape yet.

Terrible article.

 

[Grahamburn]

Why major concerns with Marcus Mariota's game are mostly fiction:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2354867-why-major-concerns-with-marcus-mariotas-game-are-mostly-fiction

Mayock probably isn't even watching tape yet.

Terrible article.

Tell me why.

 

[rdrouyn]

RSP Film Room No.25: QB Marcus Mariota + the Lost Minutes

This is great stuff.

Treasure trove for anyone wanting to conduct research into Mariota's game.

Waldman put together a film breakdown of numerous aspects of Marcus' game in a video that runs for nearly two hours.

Also he did an article on Football Oustiders on Mariota where he notes that others like Tony Dungy compares Mariota's game to Aaron Rodgers or the Mel Kiper compares Mariota to Andrew Luck that Waldman has his own comparison of Mariota's game to NFL QBs Alex Smith and Mark Sanchez.

Can't cut-and-paste anything from Football Oustsiders so you have to read why he makes that comparison at the link.

Matt also says that if this class of QBs was better that he would rate Mariota only a second or third round draft pick.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/futures/2015/futures-oregon-qb-marcus-mariota

Sanchez is a bad comp because he doesn't run, but I have said that Mariota's worst case scenario is Alex Smith.

You keep saying Alex Smith is his worst scenario and yet that is not true. You are assuming Mariotta develops accuracy with his deep ball and learns a new offense for 3-4 years, as Aaron Rodgers did. I would argue that him getting there is an unlikely scenario. From watching the film and seeing who Mariotta resembles the most, the safest comparison is Alex Smith. If you assume that much time given to development as an average scenario, then a lot less QBs would become busts.

 

[-CE-]

RSP Film Room No.25: QB Marcus Mariota + the Lost Minutes

This is great stuff.

Treasure trove for anyone wanting to conduct research into Mariota's game.

Waldman put together a film breakdown of numerous aspects of Marcus' game in a video that runs for nearly two hours.

Also he did an article on Football Oustiders on Mariota where he notes that others like Tony Dungy compares Mariota's game to Aaron Rodgers or the Mel Kiper compares Mariota to Andrew Luck that Waldman has his own comparison of Mariota's game to NFL QBs Alex Smith and Mark Sanchez.

Can't cut-and-paste anything from Football Oustsiders so you have to read why he makes that comparison at the link.

Matt also says that if this class of QBs was better that he would rate Mariota only a second or third round draft pick.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/futures/2015/futures-oregon-qb-marcus-mariota

Sanchez is a bad comp because he doesn't run, but I have said that Mariota's worst case scenario is Alex Smith.

You keep saying Alex Smith is his worst scenario and yet that is not true. You are assuming he develops accuracy with his deep ball and learns a new offense for 3-4 years, ALA Aaron Rodgers. I would argue that him getting there is an unlikely scenario. From watching the film and seeing which QB he resembles the most, the safest comparison is Alex Smith on average. If you assume Aaron Rodgers type development as a average scenario, then a lot less QBs would become busts.

Alex Smith has accuracy on a deep ball? Alex Smith doesn't even have a deep ball. I don't get this, but I think I agree with your assessment, there is basically no chance that Mariota develops like Rodgers... he's going to get drafted to a team that doesn't have a QB and thrown into the fire during the first season, if not the first game... not to mention the other ways Rodgers developed will not be repeated this year.

 

[rdrouyn]

RSP Film Room No.25: QB Marcus Mariota + the Lost Minutes

This is great stuff.

Treasure trove for anyone wanting to conduct research into Mariota's game.

Waldman put together a film breakdown of numerous aspects of Marcus' game in a video that runs for nearly two hours.

Also he did an article on Football Oustiders on Mariota where he notes that others like Tony Dungy compares Mariota's game to Aaron Rodgers or the Mel Kiper compares Mariota to Andrew Luck that Waldman has his own comparison of Mariota's game to NFL QBs Alex Smith and Mark Sanchez.

Can't cut-and-paste anything from Football Oustsiders so you have to read why he makes that comparison at the link.

Matt also says that if this class of QBs was better that he would rate Mariota only a second or third round draft pick.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/futures/2015/futures-oregon-qb-marcus-mariota

Sanchez is a bad comp because he doesn't run, but I have said that Mariota's worst case scenario is Alex Smith.

You keep saying Alex Smith is his worst scenario and yet that is not true. You are assuming he develops accuracy with his deep ball and learns a new offense for 3-4 years, ALA Aaron Rodgers. I would argue that him getting there is an unlikely scenario. From watching the film and seeing which QB he resembles the most, the safest comparison is Alex Smith on average. If you assume Aaron Rodgers type development as a average scenario, then a lot less QBs would become busts.

Alex Smith has accuracy on a deep ball? Alex Smith doesn't even have a deep ball. I don't get this, but I think I agree with your assessment, there is basically no chance that Mariota develops like Rodgers... he's going to get drafted to a team that doesn't have a QB and thrown into the fire during the first season, if not the first game... not to mention the other ways Rodgers developed will not be repeated this year.

What I'm saying is the opposite, Aaron Rodgers had time to develop his arm and his game and thus he was able to overcome his draft projection. Who knows if Mariotta will get the same chance, the same coaching, or if he has the same capacity to learn. So the safest and most honest projection for Mariotta is Alex Smith, which both have similar accuracy problems. Basically I agree with Waldman.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

I've done a bit more study on Mariota and I spied something that I'm not pleased with.

On the deep throws that he has made that impressed me I noticed a consistently clean pocket and a solid throwing base. On throws he has had poor footwork and accuracy issues I saw a messy pocket.

I don't claim to be an expert but I do not want to discover a strong correlation of:

good pocket = good solid throwing base and strong accurate throw

and

bad pocket = poor footwork and inaccurate throw

I'm still picking apart things but this is something I am unfortunately seeing.

 

[rdrouyn]

I've done a bit more study on Mariota and I spied something that I'm not pleased with.

On the deep throws that he has made that impressed me I noticed a consistently clean pocket and a solid throwing base. On throws he has had poor footwork and accuracy issues I saw a messy pocket.

I don't claim to be an expert but I do not want to discover a strong correlation of:

good pocket = good solid throwing base and strong accurate throw

and

bad pocket = poor footwork and inaccurate throw

I'm still picking apart things but this is something I am unfortunately seeing.

That seems consistent with what I've seen. Seems like a bad tendency to have, especially if you get drafted by the Bucs and have to play with their O-line. :X

 

[Grahamburn]

I've done a bit more study on Mariota and I spied something that I'm not pleased with.

On the deep throws that he has made that impressed me I noticed a consistently clean pocket and a solid throwing base. On throws he has had poor footwork and accuracy issues I saw a messy pocket.

I don't claim to be an expert but I do not want to discover a strong correlation of:

good pocket = good solid throwing base and strong accurate throw

and

bad pocket = poor footwork and inaccurate throw

I'm still picking apart things but this is something I am unfortunately seeing.

That seems consistent with what I've seen. Seems like a bad tendency to have, especially if you get drafted by the Bucs and have to play with their O-line. :X

At least he can run for his life.

 

[Faust]

Cleveland Browns zeroing in on Marcus Mariota?

 

[Faust]

Jim Mora disagrees with Mike Mayock on Marcus Mariota

 

[cstu]

Jim Mora disagrees with Mike Mayock on Marcus Mariota

Mora said: "I don't agree with that. And I would venture to say I've seen more of Marcus Mariota than Mike Mayock. And I respect Mike. If there is one voice out there that I'd listen to, it would be Mike because he does the work, he doesn't poach off of other people's information. He looks at the film, he's active in calling coaches. But I don't think that he's a project. I think the guy is special, that's just based upon playing him and evaluating and studying him for two years now."

 

[Faust]

Why is Mariota reportedly working out with Browns new QBs coach?

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

CBS Sports' Will Brinson speculates that incoming Browns' QB coach Kevin O'Connell could attempt to lobby the front office to draft Oregon QB Marcus Mariota.
"He could help convince the Browns to move up, which doesn't sound like a difficult proposition if [GM Ray] Farmer's an enamored of Mariota as reports would lead you to believe," Brinson wrote. "There are quarterback needy teams in the top 5 of this draft, but one of those picks can be had for a reasonable cost coming up from 12." Mariota, of course, has been working out with O'Connell, as Johnny Manziel did last year. Cleveland owns the 12th and 19th overall picks in spring draft. The Eagles are also reportedly candidates to move up to take Mariota.

Source: CBS Sports
Feb 11 - 2:18 AM

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Oregon QB Marcus Mariota's "ball placement and feel in the pocket are legit concerns," according to CBS Sports' Dane Brugler.
"Isolating the physical and mental traits, Mariota has everything you want. But his ball placement and feel in the pocket are legit concerns," Brugler tweeted. The Heisman Trophy winner displays decent ball placement and showcases accuracy on touch throws, but he has been known to miss on occasion on intermediate throws down the seam. Mariota posted a 66 percent completion percentage in his time at Eugene, but Brugler notes that Mariota's "ball placement can be streaky," and "it's just something that needs improvement."

Source: Dane Brugler on Twitter
Feb 11 - 2:08 PM

 

[-CE-]

Rotoworld:

Oregon QB Marcus Mariota's "ball placement and feel in the pocket are legit concerns," according to CBS Sports' Dane Brugler.
"Isolating the physical and mental traits, Mariota has everything you want. But his ball placement and feel in the pocket are legit concerns," Brugler tweeted. The Heisman Trophy winner displays decent ball placement and showcases accuracy on touch throws, but he has been known to miss on occasion on intermediate throws down the seam. Mariota posted a 66 percent completion percentage in his time at Eugene, but Brugler notes that Mariota's "ball placement can be streaky," and "it's just something that needs improvement."

Source: Dane Brugler on Twitter
Feb 11 - 2:08 PM

Guys that question Mariota's pocket presence should have their opinions dismissed immediately. These are guys that go, "Oh, he rushed for 700 yards last season, he must just take off out of the pocket when the trouble starts." His pocket presence is outstanding although he does have a lapse in accuracy when pressure comes from directly in front of him.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

ESPN's Mel Kiper writes that it's "not a given that [Oregon QB Marcus Mariota] couldn't fall further" than the Jets at No. 6.

Even so, Kiper mocks Mariota to New York at No. 6. "The reality is New York is no closer to knowing who their potential long-term solution at QB is than they were after the second day of the 2013 NFL draft," Kiper wrote. "I'm certainly not alone in wondering whether Mariota's brilliance in the Oregon offense makes him a likely star at the NFL level, but when you combine his skill set and his tremendous athletic ability combined with a great temperament and work ethic, he's a player worthy of placing a bet on at this stage. It's not so much a question of whether the Jets are convinced he's the answer, as it is whether it would be smart to pass on him and assume they can find a solution anywhere else." Rotoworld ranks Mariota as the class' No. 1 prospect.


Source: ESPN Insider
Feb 11 - 8:36 PM

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

ESPN's Mel Kiper wrote "of course I can fathom a scenario where [the Eagles] move up (or at least look to) and target the QB who made it tough for Chip Kelly to leave for a good NFL job when he did."

"But I can't project a trade here, and just as many close Eagles observers know that help at cornerback is badly needed," Kiper wrote in his mock draft. He slotted Marcus Peters to the Eagles at No. 20. The Browns are also reportedly interested in moving up for Mariota. Cleveland owns the 12th and 19th overall picks in the spring draft.

Source: ESPN Insider
Feb 11 - 11:45 PM

 

[Bracie Smathers]

http://walterfootball.com/nfldraftrumormill.php

Teams Don't Believe Marcus Mariota Will Slide Updated Feb. 11, 2015

It's not a rare occurrence that a once highly touted quarterback prospect falls past where he's projected to be selected. Last year, Johnny Manziel and Teddy Bridgewater suffered that fate. The year before, it was Geno Smith and Matt Barkley sliding out of the first day. This trend dates back to other quarterbacks like Aaron Rodgers or Brady Quinn, and many are inclined to think it will happen again.

This year, the rumors have started up that a slide could happen to Oregon quarterback Marcus Mariota. However, we have reached out to sources from numerous teams, and they've told us that they don't believe that Mariota will slide. They feel he is very safe in the top 10. All of the teams said that Mariota has graded ahead of Jacksonville Jaguars quarterback Blake Bortles, who was the third-overall pick last year, so Mariota should hear his name called quickly on draft day.

The 6-foot-4, 219-pound Mariota has an excellent athletic skill set with a strong arm, rare mobility, athleticism, and speed. Teams love him off the field. They value his work ethic, humility, desire to get better and locker room leadership. Mariota will need some grooming with his pocket passing, ability to work through progressions, presence under center, and accuracy. However, teams feel that he is at a similar level to Carolina's Cam Newton coming out of Auburn. With Mariota's work ethic, they feel he can be taught how to fix those issues like Newton or San Francisco's Colin Kaepernick.

Every team said that Mariota has graded ahead of Bortles. One team picking in the top 10 even said that it wasn't even close. Another team skilled at evaluating quarterbacks echoed those thoughts.

With that being the case, it is hard to see Mariota sliding out of the top 10, considering the number of quarterback needy teams. We reported a month ago that Tampa Bay is inclined to go with Jameis Winston, but Mariota shouldn't last long with Tennessee and the New York Jets needing franchise quarterbacks.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Marcus Mariota - QB - Ducks

Oregon QB Marcus Mariota is considered "extremely coachable" by scouts.

"Considered extremely coachable by scouts, who also love his willingness to play hurt. Very humble and leads by example. Family and heritage are extremely important to him," NFL Media draft analyst Lance Zierlein wrote. The Heisman winner could go in the top three. If he doesn't, the Jets are interested at No. 6, and the Browns and Eagles have also been rumored to have interest in trading for him.

Source: NFL.com

Feb 15 - 5:07 PM

 

[Faust]

Mayock: Unfair to criticize Marcus Mariota's pocket awareness

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=724680&hl=%2Bmayock+%2Band+%2B2015

 

[Faust]

Marcus Mariota still undecided about throwing at combine:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000470790/article/marcus-mariota-still-undecided-about-throwing-at-combine

 

[massraider]

http://walterfootball.com/nfldraftrumormill.php

Teams Don't Believe Marcus Mariota Will Slide Updated Feb. 11, 2015

It's not a rare occurrence that a once highly touted quarterback prospect falls past where he's projected to be selected. Last year, Johnny Manziel and Teddy Bridgewater suffered that fate. The year before, it was Geno Smith and Matt Barkley sliding out of the first day. This trend dates back to other quarterbacks like Aaron Rodgers or Brady Quinn, and many are inclined to think it will happen again.

This year, the rumors have started up that a slide could happen to Oregon quarterback Marcus Mariota. However, we have reached out to sources from numerous teams, and they've told us that they don't believe that Mariota will slide. They feel he is very safe in the top 10. All of the teams said that Mariota has graded ahead of Jacksonville Jaguars quarterback Blake Bortles, who was the third-overall pick last year, so Mariota should hear his name called quickly on draft day.

The 6-foot-4, 219-pound Mariota has an excellent athletic skill set with a strong arm, rare mobility, athleticism, and speed. Teams love him off the field. They value his work ethic, humility, desire to get better and locker room leadership. Mariota will need some grooming with his pocket passing, ability to work through progressions, presence under center, and accuracy. However, teams feel that he is at a similar level to Carolina's Cam Newton coming out of Auburn. With Mariota's work ethic, they feel he can be taught how to fix those issues like Newton or San Francisco's Colin Kaepernick.

Every team said that Mariota has graded ahead of Bortles. One team picking in the top 10 even said that it wasn't even close. Another team skilled at evaluating quarterbacks echoed those thoughts.

With that being the case, it is hard to see Mariota sliding out of the top 10, considering the number of quarterback needy teams. We reported a month ago that Tampa Bay is inclined to go with Jameis Winston, but Mariota shouldn't last long with Tennessee and the New York Jets needing franchise quarterbacks.

You don 't think anyone from Walter Football has any actual sources do you?

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Fox Sports' Joel Klatt is confident Oregon QB Marcus Mariota will be able to hit tight window throws in the NFL.

"Everyone talks about him throwing to wide open receivers, yes he does that," Klatt told Bruce Feldman. "The system lends itself to wide open receivers. But, when the time comes for him to fit the ball into a tight window, he can do it." Klatt says this is evident when Mariota throws to the corners and 15-20 yards in the middle of the field. Klatt shares the opinion of Rotoworld's Josh Norris that Mariota is the No. 1 quarterback int he 2015 class.

Source: Fox Sports
Feb 17 - 11:11 AM

 

[Faust]

For Mariota, private workouts become even more critical

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Marcus Mariota - QB - Ducks

Oregon QB Marcus Mariota will throw at the NFL Combine, according to Chris Mortensen.

Mariota informed teams of his decision. If we apply context and perspective, a negative throwing performance should not impact a quarterback's evaluation. But we know those two concepts were thrown out the window during last year's draft process. Mariota should shine in athletic drills.

Source: Chris Mortensen on Twitter

Feb 17 - 11:03 PM

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Marcus Mariota - QB - Player
Appearing on 97.5 The Fanatic in Philadelphia, the Philly Inquirer's Jeff McLane stated that he expects the Eagles to try to move up for Oregon QB Marcus Mariota in the draft.
This isn't the first we've heard of Chip Kelly's love for his college quarterback. ""Unless I'm missing something here," said McLane, "the Eagles are going to do whatever it takes to get him." Acquiring Mariota would likely cost the Eagles most of their 2015 draft class, but would be well worth it if Mariota solves their quarterback problem. Philadelphia currently holds the No. 20 overall pick. They'll likely have to get into the top five, jumping the quarterback-needy Jets at No. 6.

Related: Eagles

Source: Adam Levitan on Twitter
Feb 18 - 12:31 PM