QB Marcus Mariota, WAS (2 Viewers)

[Bracie Smathers]

He sucked on purpose. Wants to slip to #20 or make it so Philly doesn't have to give much up to move up for him.

Won't have to move up at all or even start right away. Well trade back and grab him at 24.

no way he gets past both of the Browns' picks.

If he makes it to the Browns, the Eagles may very well trade Bradford for Mariota. There was some speculation that it was the Browns who offered the #19 for Bradford. Maybe something like Bradford + 20 for 12 + some mid round pick.

This scenario had been mentioned in the past with the Eagles doing a leap up the draft board to #12 and the Browns moving down for QB Nick Foles. Then the Eagles could move-up from #12 to #2 giving up their #20 pick to land Mariota.

So if someone has speculated the Eagles could do the same thing, doing a leap-frog move up the board to #12 using Sam Bradford as bait and then completing the rest of the deal the same way, well I've heard the exact same thing a month ago where the Eagles would have used Foles so basically the same thing has been brought up before.

Where did you hear that? I heard the same idle chatter on a Browns radio program so I think their has to be a kernel of truth somewhere behind this. Maybe if Mariota starts to fall a little further down the board rather than trying to move-up from #12 to #2. Maybe even if he only falls to #3 or #4 then one of those teams might be interested. I dunno but I had heard basically the same thing but before the Bradford/Foles deal went down.

 

[FUBAR]

Rotoworld:

Marcus Mariota - QB - Ducks
ESPN's Josina Anderson spoke with multiple coaches at WVU's pro day who think a trade between the Eagles and Titans is still possible.

These coaches do not think Sam Bradford is a fit in Chip Kelly's "system," and that Bradford is only bait to move up to No. 2. We think Bradford is definitely a fit if he handles a pressured pocket better than Nick Foles last year. Having a running threat is not absolutely necessary, despite a public perception saying the opposite. Functional mobility to find operable space and recognizing the open receiver in a timely manner are more coveted traits.

Source: Josina Anderson on Twitter
Mar 15 - 10:51 AM

I've come around to the idea that MM isn't in play at 1.02. I do think Chip moves up for his guy but it's more likely to be the Jets who benefit from a move which wouldn't be enough to give up Williams.

 

[JetMaxx]

Oregon quarterback Marcus Mariota said Eagles head coach Chip Kelly still checks on him, and Mariota did little to dispel reports that the Eagles will try to move up in the NFL Draft to make him their next quarterback.

"I wouldn't doubt it," Mariota said, speaking at the 78th Annual Maxwell Awards Gala on Friday. "But Coach Kelly and the Eagles are going to what is best for their team, and we'll see what happens."

Feels like a foregone conclusion that Bradford is going to the Titans and Chip is getting his guy.

Feels like Mariota is going to slip in the draft anyway at this point. Would be crazy to overpay for Bradford and then overpay again by moving up to the #2 pick.

Chip being Chip.

Chip being chip would be to do what people don't think he will. Everyone thinks he'll move up. So he'll sit back and have his QB drop to him at 20.

Exactly

 

[jvdesigns2002]

This is nothing but a crazy idea in my mind--so I want to say that I don't think that this would be likely at all. With the kings ransom that most 1st round difference makers have been commanding in the trade market lately--Look at RG3--seems to me that Bradford seems like a fairly light package to offer a team for a guy like Mariota. Is it possible that Kelly is actually planning on possibly including one of his recent RB acquisitions (Matthews or even Demarco) in a potential deal?

 

[Insein]

This is nothing but a crazy idea in my mind--so I want to say that I don't think that this would be likely at all. With the kings ransom that most 1st round difference makers have been commanding in the trade market lately--Look at RG3--seems to me that Bradford seems like a fairly light package to offer a team for a guy like Mariota. Is it possible that Kelly is actually planning on possibly including one of his recent RB acquisitions (Matthews or even Demarco) in a potential deal?

No. RBs have even less value.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

This is nothing but a crazy idea in my mind--so I want to say that I don't think that this would be likely at all. With the kings ransom that most 1st round difference makers have been commanding in the trade market lately--Look at RG3--seems to me that Bradford seems like a fairly light package to offer a team for a guy like Mariota. Is it possible that Kelly is actually planning on possibly including one of his recent RB acquisitions (Matthews or even Demarco) in a potential deal?

No. RBs have even less value.

I agree--but thats why I said "include" an RB in the deal. Seems to me like Bradford and even a few picks would be light to acquire a qb that has the potential to be worthy of a top 5-10 pick. However--a deal including Bradford+Matthews+picks would seem to make more sense.

 

[B-Deep]

Oregon quarterback Marcus Mariota said Eagles head coach Chip Kelly still checks on him, and Mariota did little to dispel reports that the Eagles will try to move up in the NFL Draft to make him their next quarterback.

"I wouldn't doubt it," Mariota said, speaking at the 78th Annual Maxwell Awards Gala on Friday. "But Coach Kelly and the Eagles are going to what is best for their team, and we'll see what happens."

Feels like a foregone conclusion that Bradford is going to the Titans and Chip is getting his guy.

Feels like Mariota is going to slip in the draft anyway at this point. Would be crazy to overpay for Bradford and then overpay again by moving up to the #2 pick.

Chip being Chip.

Chip being chip would be to do what people don't think he will. Everyone thinks he'll move up. So he'll sit back and have his QB drop to him at 20.

Exactly

but at this point what is expected is chip doing the unexpected, so to truly do the unexpected he needs to do the expected, which nobody now expects

 

[Insein]

This is nothing but a crazy idea in my mind--so I want to say that I don't think that this would be likely at all. With the kings ransom that most 1st round difference makers have been commanding in the trade market lately--Look at RG3--seems to me that Bradford seems like a fairly light package to offer a team for a guy like Mariota. Is it possible that Kelly is actually planning on possibly including one of his recent RB acquisitions (Matthews or even Demarco) in a potential deal?

No. RBs have even less value.

I agree--but thats why I said "include" an RB in the deal. Seems to me like Bradford and even a few picks would be light to acquire a qb that has the potential to be worthy of a top 5-10 pick. However--a deal including Bradford+Matthews+picks would seem to make more sense.

If they did a deal for players, Mathews would be worthless. We'd have to include Cox, Kendricks or Boykin for any value.

 

[Insein]

Oregon quarterback Marcus Mariota said Eagles head coach Chip Kelly still checks on him, and Mariota did little to dispel reports that the Eagles will try to move up in the NFL Draft to make him their next quarterback.

"I wouldn't doubt it," Mariota said, speaking at the 78th Annual Maxwell Awards Gala on Friday. "But Coach Kelly and the Eagles are going to what is best for their team, and we'll see what happens."

Feels like a foregone conclusion that Bradford is going to the Titans and Chip is getting his guy.

Feels like Mariota is going to slip in the draft anyway at this point. Would be crazy to overpay for Bradford and then overpay again by moving up to the #2 pick.

Chip being Chip.

Chip being chip would be to do what people don't think he will. Everyone thinks he'll move up. So he'll sit back and have his QB drop to him at 20.

Exactly

but at this point what is expected is chip doing the unexpected, so to truly do the unexpected he needs to do the expected, which nobody now expects

He's like the Spanish Inquisition.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Marcus Mariota - QB - Ducks
Sixty-four percent of Oregon QB Marcus Mariota's passes incorporated play action.
"That’s nearly three times the rate at which an average NFL quarterback threw play-action passes," writes ESPN. Many times this action was just standard out of the shotgun, but there is a difference between play action under center and from the gun in terms of eyes and vision.

Source: ESPN
Mar 16 - 11:30 AM

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

NFL.com senior analyst Gil Brandt notes that Jon Gruden said Oregon QB Marcus Mariota "reminds him a lot of Russell Wilson."
The Oregon prospect recently spent a good amount of time with Jon Gruden for his taping of ESPN's "Gruden's Camp." The Heisman Trophy winner, like Russell Wilson, isn't afraid to use his legs to set up the pass. Mariota is a pure passer who keeps his eyes downfield and has great improvisational instincts under pressure.

Source: Gil Brandt on Twitter
Mar 16 - 2:59 PM

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

According to the Union-Tribune San Diego, there's been league-wide speculation that the Chargers "could be serious" about going after Oregon QB Marcus Mariota.
Reporter Kevin Acee's report cites "numerous people in and around the league." The Bolts have scheduled a private workout with Mariota next month. It's unlikely Mariota would fall to the Chargers at No. 17, so a trade up would likely be necessary to secure his services. Per Acee, the speculation comes as Philip Rivers' Chargers future is up in the air. Rivers intends to play out the final year of his deal without an extension, while GM Tom Telesco wouldn't offer a blanket denial that Rivers could eventually be traded.

Related: Chargers

Source: Union-Tribune San Diego
Mar 17 - 6:42 PM

 

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Thanks for posting this.

I read this earlier today.

So dumb.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Oregon QB Marcus Mariota is being "nitpicked" around the NFL due to his laidback personality, reports Yahoo's Charles Robinson.
Interestingly, when Mariota said he didn't care if he was the No. 1 pick -- an extremely strong stance to take given the real-life dollars at stake -- Robinson said the quote was "not smart," because it gave off the impression to the league that he was indifferent. This is the kind of situation where news reports say more about the source than they do about the subject being discussed: If Mariota stays quiet, he's indifferent; if he's rather boldly replying that losing a few million dollars isn't going to ruin his week, he's indifferent. If anonymous NFL sources with loose lips had taken a shining to him, they would be labeling precisely the same actions as "focused," "professional" and "cold-blooded." Reader, want to jump aboard the Teddy Bridgewater Express with us again? As we cautioned over and over again last year at this time regarding the beating Bridgewater was taking in league circles: Pass at your own risk.

Source: Charles Robinson on Twitter
Mar 19 - 11:40 PM

 

[Faust]

There will be trades: 5 teams poised to draft Marcus Mariota at No. 2

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Oregon QB Marcus Mariota is scheduled to have a private workout with the Jets on March 28.

New York's interest appears to be genuine, as GM Mike Maccagnan flew all the way to Oregon to attend Mariota's Pro Day last week. Jets reps will also be present at Florida State QB Jameis Winston's Pro Day on March 31, though it's unlikely he'll be available at No. 6. The Titans, Redskins, Chargers, and Bucs have also shown interest in Mariota. New York's current projected starter, Ryan Fitzpatrick, isn't the long-term answer. Neither is draft bust-to-date Geno Smith.

Related: Jets

Source: Newark Star-Ledger
Mar 20 - 8:14 AM

 

[Faust]

Video Link:

Boomer: Mariota is a better version of Russell Wilson

 

[Insein]

I was wondering. As we get closer to the draft these teams that have been laying low letting Chip get the headlines were biding their time to swoop in for a trade.

 

[cstu]

I was wondering. As we get closer to the draft these teams that have been laying low letting Chip get the headlines were biding their time to swoop in for a trade.

All this chatter about teams trading for Mariota but none about Winston.

 

[Capella]

I was wondering. As we get closer to the draft these teams that have been laying low letting Chip get the headlines were biding their time to swoop in for a trade.

All this chatter about teams trading for Mariota but none about Winston.

That's because everybody but you knows the Bucs are taking him.

 

[cstu]

I was wondering. As we get closer to the draft these teams that have been laying low letting Chip get the headlines were biding their time to swoop in for a trade.

All this chatter about teams trading for Mariota but none about Winston.

That's because everybody but you knows the Bucs are taking him.

Oh I know they are taking him, it's just a mistake.

 

[Faust]

Jeremiah: Browns need Mariota more than any other team

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000480179/article/jeremiah-browns-need-mariota-more-than-any-other-team

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

The Hall of Fame player and coach, Mike Ditka, believes Oregon QB Marcus Mariota would be worth moving up for.
"When you talk about going up to get a quarterback ... you think you have enough people around that he can make that football team what you want it to be," Ditka said during a radio interview with Matt Lombardo and Joe Staszak Saturday morning on 97.5 FM The Fanatic in Philadelphia."You've gotta understand that coach Kelly came from Oregon, he recruited Mariota to Oregon." Speaking from experience, Ditka traded all of his picks for the rights to select RB Ricky Williams with the No.5 pick in 1999. With the Eagles trading for QB Sam Bradford already, it's still up in the air if the Eagles plan to give up valuable picks to move up, with other needs to fill via the draft.

Source: 975thefanatic.com
Mar 23 - 3:02 PM

 

[Faust]

Joe Namath: New York Jets should draft Marcus Mariota

 

[Faust]

Titans coach: If you take Mariota, he's the Day 1 starter Smokescreen or reality: Titans coach 'very impressed' with Marcus Mariota 2015 NFL Draft: Are Titans calling Chip Kelly's bluff?

 

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Report: Multiple teams have dumbbells on staff.

How many players since the invention of the mic have been saying publicly that they would just be happy to be drafted? But when Mariota says it, what? People are questioning his fire, his competitiveness?

That's some PFT clickbait right there.

 

[Grahamburn]

It's really only important to the team who owns the #1 pick.

 

[massraider]

It's really only important to the team who owns the #1 pick.

Ha, that's true.

 

[Faust]

Would Chip deal multiple picks to land Marcus Mariota?

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Beat writer Rich Cimini believes the Jets trading back in the draft is a more likely outcome than the team selecting Oregon QB Marcus Mariota.
The door seems to be closing on the Jets' perceived interest in Mariota. The question is if it is due to their own evaluation or if they have a very strong feeling he will not be available at pick No. 6. Or both. As always, we have no clue how the draft will shape up, but that is why we love it.

Source: Mike and Mike on Twitter
Mar 25 - 10:37 AM

 

[Faust]

Kiper: Marcus Mariota a great fit for Andy Reid, Chiefs

 

[Faust]

2015 NFL Draft: Kelly won't 'gut' Eagles to land Marcus Mariota

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/25122945/nfl-draft-kelly-wont-gut-eagles-to-land-marcus-mariota

 

[Deamon]

This is nothing but a crazy idea in my mind--so I want to say that I don't think that this would be likely at all. With the kings ransom that most 1st round difference makers have been commanding in the trade market lately--Look at RG3--seems to me that Bradford seems like a fairly light package to offer a team for a guy like Mariota. Is it possible that Kelly is actually planning on possibly including one of his recent RB acquisitions (Matthews or even Demarco) in a potential deal?

Doubt Demarco is going anywhere. They kind of used Bradford to get him to come, and the Murray-Bradford reunion has made both players very happy. Would be a huge **** move to split them up now after all that. Unless he ships both of them, they're both staying.

 

[Faust]

Marcus Mariota to Chicago? Analysts disagree on the fit

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

CBS Sports' Jason La Canfora spoke with one NFL GM who is certain Oregon QB Marcus Mariota will be the No. 2 pick in the draft.
"I don't know to which team, but he's going second overall," the GM, who JLC notes is paying "particular attention to the Mariota market," said. We must divulge La Canfora once said Geno Smith was a lock to be a top 10 selection, but pre-draft buzz is frequently wrong. This is no different.

Source: CBS Sports
Mar 26 - 12:42 PM

 

[Capella]

I am sure there is one QB needy team that has him as 1 or 2 on their board. Wouldn't shock me at all.

 

[massraider]

I am sure there is one QB needy team that has him as 1 or 2 on their board. Wouldn't shock me at all.

By mid-April, I wouldn't be surprised if Mariota at #2 becomes 'common knowledge'.

Tennessee passing on him because they had Mettenberger never seemed like a lock to me, and Tennessee certainly never said he was their guy. They said they liked him. Lots of teams say they like all their QBs.

 

[Faust]

Marcus Mariota's disadvantage might not be so big

 

[Faust]

Mel Kiper to Jets: Don't duck QB Marcus Mariota

 

[Faust]

2015 NFL Draft's top question: Who will select Marcus Mariota?

 

[cstu]

Marcus Mariota's disadvantage might not be so big

Peyton ran 71.7% of his plays from the shotgun the past two years. I believe the concern about Mariota's lack of experience under center is greatly exaggerated.

In the last two regular seasons, the Broncos ran 1,594 plays from shotgun or pistol formations and 629 with the quarterback under center -- just 28.30 percent.

http://www.denverbroncos.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/Peyton-Manning-has-some-comfort-under-center/63c6d901-8b19-4028-8550-1acf5b997546

 

[CalBear]

Marcus Mariota's disadvantage might not be so big

Peyton ran 71.7% of his plays from the shotgun the past two years. I believe the concern about Mariota's lack of experience under center is greatly exaggerated.

In the last two regular seasons, the Broncos ran 1,594 plays from shotgun or pistol formations and 629 with the quarterback under center -- just 28.30 percent.

http://www.denverbroncos.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/Peyton-Manning-has-some-comfort-under-center/63c6d901-8b19-4028-8550-1acf5b997546

Rivers was over 90% out of the shotgun.

 

[cstu]

Marcus Mariota's disadvantage might not be so big

Peyton ran 71.7% of his plays from the shotgun the past two years. I believe the concern about Mariota's lack of experience under center is greatly exaggerated.

In the last two regular seasons, the Broncos ran 1,594 plays from shotgun or pistol formations and 629 with the quarterback under center -- just 28.30 percent.

http://www.denverbroncos.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/Peyton-Manning-has-some-comfort-under-center/63c6d901-8b19-4028-8550-1acf5b997546

Rivers was over 90% out of the shotgun.

Why is experience in a "pro set" offense so important if some of the best QB's rarely drop back?

This is from 2013 stats but look at these snaps from center:

Peyton - 96

Stafford - 97

Rodgers - 69 (out of 329, injured)'

Flacco - 91

Rivers - 50

 

[CalBear]

Marcus Mariota's disadvantage might not be so big

Peyton ran 71.7% of his plays from the shotgun the past two years. I believe the concern about Mariota's lack of experience under center is greatly exaggerated.

In the last two regular seasons, the Broncos ran 1,594 plays from shotgun or pistol formations and 629 with the quarterback under center -- just 28.30 percent.

http://www.denverbroncos.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/Peyton-Manning-has-some-comfort-under-center/63c6d901-8b19-4028-8550-1acf5b997546

Rivers was over 90% out of the shotgun.

Why is experience in a "pro set" offense so important if some of the best QB's rarely drop back?

This is from 2013 stats but look at these snaps from center:

Peyton - 96

Stafford - 97

Rodgers - 69 (out of 329, injured)'

Flacco - 91

Rivers - 50

Exactly; the idea of a "pro set" is, not exactly archaic, but quaint. If it makes that much of a difference, you're probably better off tailoring your offense to the QB's strengths than insisting on running the offense the Niners ran in 1981.

 

[ptsteelers]

Shotgun or not, I think his biggest need to be addressed, as with most rookies, is his lack of progressions. Now I have only watched 3 games, so maybe I have not seen the best of him, but Mariota seems to really be, again like most rookies, a one read and run kinda guy. That will be the biggest thing for me to watch for during the preseason ... to see if he can go to at least his second read.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Marcus Mariota's disadvantage might not be so big

Peyton ran 71.7% of his plays from the shotgun the past two years. I believe the concern about Mariota's lack of experience under center is greatly exaggerated.

In the last two regular seasons, the Broncos ran 1,594 plays from shotgun or pistol formations and 629 with the quarterback under center -- just 28.30 percent.

http://www.denverbroncos.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/Peyton-Manning-has-some-comfort-under-center/63c6d901-8b19-4028-8550-1acf5b997546

Rivers was over 90% out of the shotgun.

Why is experience in a "pro set" offense so important if some of the best QB's rarely drop back?

This is from 2013 stats but look at these snaps from center:

Peyton - 96

Stafford - 97

Rodgers - 69 (out of 329, injured)'

Flacco - 91

Rivers - 50

Um for a handful of Pro Bowl veteran NFL quarterbacks who have experience operating under center and stepping up into a pocket and who already know how to pre-snap read pressure and coverages or for a rookie who won't even know the intricacies of his own offense till later in the year?

Obviously not as important for a veteran Pro Bowl talent NFL quarterback but for a raw rookie learning basics of the position such as lining up under center, taking drops, calling plays in a huddle, actually knowing an NFL playbook rather than only having simple half-field reads of a mobile pocket.

At some point a young NFL QB should be able to effectively operate out of the pocket if the expectation is for them to develop into a long term solid starter.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Marcus Mariota - QB - Ducks

ESPN's John McTigue advises the Raiders to replace Derek Carr and select Oregon's Marcus Mariota in next month's draft.

Carr, the 36th overall pick in 2014, posted promising superficial stats as a rookie but finished 28th out of 33 qualified QBs with a 38.4 Total QBR (ranked 15th, between EJ Manuel (38.4) and Geno Smith (35.9), out of 27 qualifying rookie performances since 2006). "Mariota carries the potential of a franchise quarterback, something Carr has yet to display at either level," McTigue wrote. "In college Carr logged three full seasons as Fresno State's quarterback and never posted a QBR season higher than 77.0. By comparison, Mariota's worst QBR in three seasons as Oregon's starter was 86.2." The Raiders, picking No. 4, might not even get the opportunity to tab Mariota. An NFL GM told CBS Sports' Jason La Canfora that he's certain Mariota will be the No. 2 pick in the draft. At the moment, that scenario seems most likely, whether the Titans pull the trigger or trade the pick to someone who will.

Source: ESPN Insider

Mar 27 - 2:24 AM

 

[cstu]

Is this the 20th team being recommended to replace their starter with Mariota?

 

[-CE-]

Shotgun or not, I think his biggest need to be addressed, as with most rookies, is his lack of progressions. Now I have only watched 3 games, so maybe I have not seen the best of him, but Mariota seems to really be, again like most rookies, a one read and run kinda guy. That will be the biggest thing for me to watch for during the preseason ... to see if he can go to at least his second read.

You really haven't watched any games of his, have you?

This analysis is horrible.

Edit: I mean, simply horrible. People should really just put you on ignore because you can't possibly contribute anything around here. "One read and run kinda guy" Yet, one of the positives that every analysis says is when he gets flushed from the pocket, he keeps his eyes downfield.

When he runs? Oh, yea that's actually normally on a designed run play. What did you do? Look at the statistics and see that he had a lot of rushing yards?

Seriously, zero points, do not pass go, everyone who reads anything you write is worse off for having looked at it.