QB Marcus Mariota, WAS (1 Viewer)

[SayWhat?]

Shotgun or not, I think his biggest need to be addressed, as with most rookies, is his lack of progressions. Now I have only watched 3 games, so maybe I have not seen the best of him, but Mariota seems to really be, again like most rookies, a one read and run kinda guy. That will be the biggest thing for me to watch for during the preseason ... to see if he can go to at least his second read.

You really haven't watched any games of his, have you?

This analysis is horrible.

Edit: I mean, simply horrible. People should really just put you on ignore because you can't possibly contribute anything around here. "One read and run kinda guy" Yet, one of the positives that every analysis says is when he gets flushed from the pocket, he keeps his eyes downfield.

When he runs? Oh, yea that's actually normally on a designed run play. What did you do? Look at the statistics and see that he had a lot of rushing yards?

Seriously, zero points, do not pass go, everyone who reads anything you write is worse off for having looked at it.

Keeping his eyes downfield when he breaks the pocket isn't the same as going through progressions.

 

[-CE-]

Shotgun or not, I think his biggest need to be addressed, as with most rookies, is his lack of progressions. Now I have only watched 3 games, so maybe I have not seen the best of him, but Mariota seems to really be, again like most rookies, a one read and run kinda guy. That will be the biggest thing for me to watch for during the preseason ... to see if he can go to at least his second read.

You really haven't watched any games of his, have you?

This analysis is horrible.

Edit: I mean, simply horrible. People should really just put you on ignore because you can't possibly contribute anything around here. "One read and run kinda guy" Yet, one of the positives that every analysis says is when he gets flushed from the pocket, he keeps his eyes downfield.

When he runs? Oh, yea that's actually normally on a designed run play. What did you do? Look at the statistics and see that he had a lot of rushing yards?

Seriously, zero points, do not pass go, everyone who reads anything you write is worse off for having looked at it.

Keeping his eyes downfield when he breaks the pocket isn't the same as going through progressions.

My point was when he gets flushed he doesn't take off running. But more to your point, I'm sure when he's looking downfield, he's got his eyes locked on the same guy, right?

One of the amazing things he does is go through his progressions.

The questions about Mariota are his ability to handle pocket pressure up the middle, accuracy and particularly deep ball accuracy.

 

[SayWhat?]

Shotgun or not, I think his biggest need to be addressed, as with most rookies, is his lack of progressions. Now I have only watched 3 games, so maybe I have not seen the best of him, but Mariota seems to really be, again like most rookies, a one read and run kinda guy. That will be the biggest thing for me to watch for during the preseason ... to see if he can go to at least his second read.

You really haven't watched any games of his, have you?

This analysis is horrible.

Edit: I mean, simply horrible. People should really just put you on ignore because you can't possibly contribute anything around here. "One read and run kinda guy" Yet, one of the positives that every analysis says is when he gets flushed from the pocket, he keeps his eyes downfield.

When he runs? Oh, yea that's actually normally on a designed run play. What did you do? Look at the statistics and see that he had a lot of rushing yards?

Seriously, zero points, do not pass go, everyone who reads anything you write is worse off for having looked at it.

Keeping his eyes downfield when he breaks the pocket isn't the same as going through progressions.

My point was when he gets flushed he doesn't take off running. But more to your point, I'm sure when he's looking downfield, he's got his eyes locked on the same guy, right?

One of the amazing things he does is go through his progressions.

The questions about Mariota are his ability to handle pocket pressure up the middle, accuracy and particularly deep ball accuracy.

Let's start by saying that your response to ptsteelers almost instantaneously led to you being the first person I'd have ever blocked. Don't be such an ###.

Secondly, re-read the bolded which you typed. So ptsteelers opinion is that Mariota strugges to get through progressions, and often times scrambles when his first read isn't there. Right or wrong, whatever. That doesn't matter. Your snarky response is that "one of the positives that every analysis (sp) says is that when he gets flushed from the pocket, he keeps his eyes downfield." You didn't at all refute ptsteelers point. His point is that he scrambles when his first read isn't available. Your response seems to be, "but so what...he still keeps his eyes downfield." That's entirely different than sitting in the pocket and going through your reads. Of course he's not locking his eyes onto one guy while he's scrambling around. At least, I'd hope to hell he's not.

I don't have a horse in this race. Just pointing out that going through progressions and keeping your eyes downfield while scrambling aren't the same thing. Oh, and once again...don't be such an ###.

 

[ptsteelers]

Shotgun or not, I think his biggest need to be addressed, as with most rookies, is his lack of progressions. Now I have only watched 3 games, so maybe I have not seen the best of him, but Mariota seems to really be, again like most rookies, a one read and run kinda guy. That will be the biggest thing for me to watch for during the preseason ... to see if he can go to at least his second read.

You really haven't watched any games of his, have you?

This analysis is horrible.

Edit: I mean, simply horrible. People should really just put you on ignore because you can't possibly contribute anything around here. "One read and run kinda guy" Yet, one of the positives that every analysis says is when he gets flushed from the pocket, he keeps his eyes downfield.

When he runs? Oh, yea that's actually normally on a designed run play. What did you do? Look at the statistics and see that he had a lot of rushing yards?

Seriously, zero points, do not pass go, everyone who reads anything you write is worse off for having looked at it.

WOW! Okay there buddy, shame you won't get to see this as I am now on your ignore list as there is obviously no reason for you to see anything else I say but ...

Keeping your eyes downfeild is not the same as going through progressions. It isn't. When his first read is covered and he keeps his eyes downfield waiting for his first read to get open, that is not going through progressions. Hint - Going through progressions mean going through your first, second, third, etc ... options. Looking downfield is not that in anyway. It maybe looking for another guy to get open, which is still not the same.

Secondly, yes there are set runs for him, of course. I for one can tell the difference between a set running play and one where the QB looks at his first read and then runs for his life. It is a simple thing to see. Perhaps one day you will be able to see it as well.

And I also said I had only watched three games. I am sure I have missed many a thing in his entire college career, but instead of just pointing those out to me in a normal human manner, your first post was such a hate filled, moronic tirade that I hope you have blacked me as I don't think I will miss anything you could have responded with anyway, so .... have a good life.

Hugs and kisses

EDIT - and thanks "SayWhat?". I didn't expect nor mean to cause backlash like that. Ha

 

[jurb26]

Seems the list of people ignoring CE is growing. That's can only help the SP.

 

[-CE-]

Shotgun or not, I think his biggest need to be addressed, as with most rookies, is his lack of progressions. Now I have only watched 3 games, so maybe I have not seen the best of him, but Mariota seems to really be, again like most rookies, a one read and run kinda guy. That will be the biggest thing for me to watch for during the preseason ... to see if he can go to at least his second read.

You really haven't watched any games of his, have you?

This analysis is horrible.

Edit: I mean, simply horrible. People should really just put you on ignore because you can't possibly contribute anything around here. "One read and run kinda guy" Yet, one of the positives that every analysis says is when he gets flushed from the pocket, he keeps his eyes downfield.

When he runs? Oh, yea that's actually normally on a designed run play. What did you do? Look at the statistics and see that he had a lot of rushing yards?

Seriously, zero points, do not pass go, everyone who reads anything you write is worse off for having looked at it.

Keeping his eyes downfield when he breaks the pocket isn't the same as going through progressions.

My point was when he gets flushed he doesn't take off running. But more to your point, I'm sure when he's looking downfield, he's got his eyes locked on the same guy, right?

One of the amazing things he does is go through his progressions.

The questions about Mariota are his ability to handle pocket pressure up the middle, accuracy and particularly deep ball accuracy.

Let's start by saying that your response to ptsteelers almost instantaneously led to you being the first person I'd have ever blocked. Don't be such an ###.

Secondly, re-read the bolded which you typed. So ptsteelers opinion is that Mariota strugges to get through progressions, and often times scrambles when his first read isn't there. Right or wrong, whatever. That doesn't matter. Your snarky response is that "one of the positives that every analysis (sp) says is that when he gets flushed from the pocket, he keeps his eyes downfield." You didn't at all refute ptsteelers point. His point is that he scrambles when his first read isn't available. Your response seems to be, "but so what...he still keeps his eyes downfield." That's entirely different than sitting in the pocket and going through your reads. Of course he's not locking his eyes onto one guy while he's scrambling around. At least, I'd hope to hell he's not.

I don't have a horse in this race. Just pointing out that going through progressions and keeping your eyes downfield while scrambling aren't the same thing. Oh, and once again...don't be such an ###.

I've never seen anything out of you worth reading, so perfect by me. I love how everyone who doesn't have a leg to stand on says, "Well that's my opinion... opinions aren't wrong." Your opinion can be the world is flat, the sky is white and the Tennessee Titans made a great draft pick with Jake Locker. It's such a ##### thing to say, "Well, that's just my opinion." Guess what, your opinion is dead wrong.

Mariota doesn't scramble when his first read isn't there. Anyone who has watched a lick of tape on him sees that. He flashes through his progressions as fast as anyone in this years class, probably faster than anyone I've seen come out of college in quite some time. The idea he doesn't go through progressions is ludicrous. His ability to keep the safeties honest is MUCH BETTER than Winstons.

It's cool though, block me. I don't give a lick. I'm an ### but as it turns out I'm generally right, so feel free to balance what's more important to you. There's a game of Candyland over there for you to go play.

Shotgun or not, I think his biggest need to be addressed, as with most rookies, is his lack of progressions. Now I have only watched 3 games, so maybe I have not seen the best of him, but Mariota seems to really be, again like most rookies, a one read and run kinda guy. That will be the biggest thing for me to watch for during the preseason ... to see if he can go to at least his second read.

You really haven't watched any games of his, have you?

This analysis is horrible.

Edit: I mean, simply horrible. People should really just put you on ignore because you can't possibly contribute anything around here. "One read and run kinda guy" Yet, one of the positives that every analysis says is when he gets flushed from the pocket, he keeps his eyes downfield.

When he runs? Oh, yea that's actually normally on a designed run play. What did you do? Look at the statistics and see that he had a lot of rushing yards?

Seriously, zero points, do not pass go, everyone who reads anything you write is worse off for having looked at it.

WOW! Okay there buddy, shame you won't get to see this as I am now on your ignore list as there is obviously no reason for you to see anything else I say but ...

Keeping your eyes downfeild is not the same as going through progressions. It isn't. When his first read is covered and he keeps his eyes downfield waiting for his first read to get open, that is not going through progressions. Hint - Going through progressions mean going through your first, second, third, etc ... options. Looking downfield is not that in anyway. It maybe looking for another guy to get open, which is still not the same.

Secondly, yes there are set runs for him, of course. I for one can tell the difference between a set running play and one where the QB looks at his first read and then runs for his life. It is a simple thing to see. Perhaps one day you will be able to see it as well.

And I also said I had only watched three games. I am sure I have missed many a thing in his entire college career, but instead of just pointing those out to me in a normal human manner, your first post was such a hate filled, moronic tirade that I hope you have blacked me as I don't think I will miss anything you could have responded with anyway, so .... have a good life.

Hugs and kisses

EDIT - and thanks "SayWhat?". I didn't expect nor mean to cause backlash like that. Ha

Why don't you pick any game from last season you want and we'll compare analysis, strictly on the basis of progressions. I'll probably teach you quite a bit, because god knows if you actually watched any tape you probably don't know what you're looking at. He doesn't "take off running" when his first (and only, by your measure) read doesn't work out.

Seems the list of people ignoring CE is growing. That's can only help the SP.

You're so pathetic I just laugh at you.

 

[Faust]

Report: Key Jets decision-makers to work out Mariota Saturday

 

[Faust]

The Next Bridgewater?

Excerpts:

PHOENIX — At about this time last year, Teddy Bridgewater was getting raked over the pre-draft coals.

• Too skinny. Will get hurt.
• Hands are too small. You can’t pick him if you’re a cold-weather team.
• What a terrible pro day, especially on deep passes. Who needs a glove to throw?
• Too quiet. Not enough of a leader.

Instead of going in the top 10, Bridgewater went 32nd overall to the Vikings. We know the result. Bridgewater ended up having the best season of all the rookie quarterbacks and was among the best first-year players regardless of position, grouped with the likes of Odell Beckham, Zack Martin, Joel Bitonio and Mike Evans. In his final five games of the season, Bridgewater didn’t have a passer rating below 84 (three times over 100), completed 72.1 percent of his passes for 1,230 yards and eight touchdowns against five interceptions.

So, after all was said and done, how much did any of those pre-draft concerns factor into Bridgewater’s game?

“It really didn’t matter,” Vikings coach Mike Zimmer said at the league meetings earlier this week. “That’s the thing about scouting. You think you have the right guy. You never really know. We didn’t really know.

“Like the players, I’ve just been really impressed [by Bridgewater]. In practice he might miss three throws. His accuracy in games but also in practice—it’s like, ‘Oh my goodness.’ I’m excited to get him into the dome, where we have eight games, and then Detroit [the Vikings’ ninth indoor game every season]. He has a chance to really be something.”

This year it’s Marcus Mariota’s turn to be torn up during the pre-draft process.

• Subpar pro day.
• Skinny.
• Hasn’t shown the ability to make all the throws.
• Too quiet. Won’t be able to command a huddle.

A lot of the same stuff that Bridgewater heard, in particular that last one. It will be interesting to see if Bridgewater’s success will help Mariota. There were teams, several of them, that were turned off by Bridgewater because he doesn’t walk and talk with the swagger of a gunslinger. Believe it or not, despite the success of quarterbacks like Eli Manning and Matt Ryan, that still matters to some in the NFL.

“Just because a guy doesn’t yell and scream at a guy when he doesn’t run the right route, ask any of those guys if they’d take Eli Manning,” said Chip Kelly, Mariota’s coach at Oregon before Kelly went to the Eagles. “I don’t see Eli Manning screaming and yelling at anybody. But you talk about a stone-cold killer in the fourth quarter, look how many fourth-quarter comebacks Eli’s had.

“It’s the silly season. I’ve said it before. The NFL draft hype is the craziest thing in the world. Guys are going to go up, guys are going to go down. Cam Newton couldn’t play; there’s no reason to draft him in the first round. All of a sudden he goes No. 1. It’s crazy.”

Zimmer, who had been known as a smart and cocky defensive coordinator before getting his head-coaching shot with the Vikings, admitted he was one of those guys who wanted to see some swagger out of his quarterback. Zimmer might not have been as adamant about it as other coaches, but he certainly considered that factor a plus.

Bridgewater has made him a believer.

“Well, I did learn a lot about that, to be honest with you,” Zimmer said. “He’s a guy who leads by how hard he works, by the improvement he makes in practice every day, the way he wanted to learn how to enunciate the plays, just all the extra effort the guy put in. … He’s not one of those guys who is going to get in your face, but the players all gravitate toward this guy. He’s always got a smile. He’s confident but not cocky. It’s never about him, so it’s always about, How can I help this guy do this better, or the team?

“Maybe it’s not your leadership style that everybody is thinking about, but it was really effective this year. So I learned quite a bit.”

Mariota shares many of Bridgewater’s personality traits. Has Bridgewater erased “too quiet” from the negatives list for a quarterback, and laid the groundwork for players like Mariota? We’ll find out next month.

One more note on Marcus Mariota. Thought the comments from Browns coach Mike Pettine were interesting considering the team’s new quarterbacks coach, Kevin O’Connell, trained Mariota for the combine before going to Cleveland. “The mental part, on that he’s very advanced,” Pettine said when asked what O’Connell told him. “This was a guy who I think understood coming in from the system he was playing in, that it’s not similar to potentially a lot of systems he would be playing in in the league. So he understood that and addressed, it and that’s one of the reasons he worked with Kevin. Because Kevin understands more of the offensive structure he’s going to have to play in. He attacked a weakness. Everybody who’s had him on the [white[ board [to diagram plays and talk about schemes and coverages] said he’s just blown them away just because of how he’s essentially turned that weakness into a strength.”

 

[cstu]

One more note on Marcus Mariota. Thought the comments from Browns coach Mike Pettine were interesting considering the team’s new quarterbacks coach, Kevin O’Connell, trained Mariota for the combine before going to Cleveland. “The mental part, on that he’s very advanced,” Pettine said when asked what O’Connell told him. “This was a guy who I think understood coming in from the system he was playing in, that it’s not similar to potentially a lot of systems he would be playing in in the league. So he understood that and addressed, it and that’s one of the reasons he worked with Kevin. Because Kevin understands more of the offensive structure he’s going to have to play in. He attacked a weakness. Everybody who’s had him on the [white[ board [to diagram plays and talk about schemes and coverages] said he’s just blown them away just because of how he’s essentially turned that weakness into a strength.”

This is what Chip said right before the Ohio State game:

Chip on Oregon’s wide receivers, via @BarbaraTitus: "As long as they have [Mariota], it doesn’t really matter."

Chip on Mariota, via @dpbrugler: "He might be the fastest guy on the field. But his mind is even faster...thinks like Peyton Manning."

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

The Redskins are scheduling a visit for Oregon QB Marcus Mariota, according to Albert Breer.

Obviously there is a lot of interest in Mariota lately. Who knows if the Redskins would select Mariota at No. 5, and if the deicison is really up to the GM and HC. Despite some mocking Mariota outside of the top 10, teams' interest seems to point towards this not happening.

Source: Albert Breer on Twitter
Mar 28 - 10:39 AM

The Chargers will put Oregon QB Marcus Mariota through a private workout on April 15, according to Albert Breer.

We knew the team would work out Mariota, but now a date has been set. The initial report was the first link between San Diego, Mariota and a possible Philip Rivers departure, which is a connection that has gained steam. We think something is actually there, even if it does not come to fruition. The great Adam Schefter seems confident Mariota and Jameis Winston will be the top two picks in some order.

Source: Albert Breer on Twitter
Mar 28 - 10:15 AM

 

[Faust]

Jets, Buccaneers, Chargers, Redskins to work out Mariota

 

[Faust]

Three thoughts on Redskins hosting Marcus Mariota

 

[Faust]

Greg Cosell's NFL draft preview: QB Marcus Mariota's pro transition

 

[Faust]

Browns not on early list of Marcus Mariota pre-draft visits

 

[cstu]

Greg Cosell's NFL draft preview: QB Marcus Mariota's pro transition

Mariota, like all quarterbacks from spread college offenses, is a bit more of a complicated projection. The game he played at Oregon will not be the same game he plays in the NFL. There will be a three-step, five-step, seven-step drop foundation he’ll need to learn. Even if the Philadelphia Eagles and former Oregon coach Chip Kelly end up drafting Mariota, it will be a different game for him than he's used to.

Rivers throws from the shotgun over 90% of the time.

Arm strength

Mariota’s arm strength must be researched. Within the context of the Oregon offense he’s more of a touch thrower than someone who can drive the ball, although he’s good at touch passes. He showed the ability to make firm touch seam throws that are a staple of NFL passing games. He showed the ability to throw with precise ball location on touch throws; that’s the strength of his game. He also is very good at throwing between the numbers.

Mariota threw the ball 56 mph at the combine, Winston threw it 55 mph.

 

[jurb26]

DJ will being releasing a podcast dedicated to MM this week, like he did for Winston. Very curious to hear it.

 

[massraider]

DJ will being releasing a podcast dedicated to MM this week, like he did for Winston. Very curious to hear it.

Me too. The Winston one was interesting.

I have such a hard time believing a team won't make a move for Mariota. IF Tennessee doesn't like him, and I am certainly not sure about that, you have three teams not taking a QB in a row, that could all use extra premium picks.

Redskins, Jets, Bears, Rams, Browns are all in the top 12, and one could make a Mariota argument for all of them.

 

[jurb26]

DJ will being releasing a podcast dedicated to MM this week, like he did for Winston. Very curious to hear it.

Me too. The Winston one was interesting.

I have such a hard time believing a team won't make a move for Mariota. IF Tennessee doesn't like him, and I am certainly not sure about that, you have three teams not taking a QB in a row, that could all use extra premium picks.

Redskins, Jets, Bears, Rams, Browns are all in the top 12, and one could make a Mariota argument for all of them.

In his last one both he and C. Davis seemed adamate that they don't see a team moving up for him in the top 5. I happen to disagree. Also interesting. They really put to bed the notion that Winston is a major character risk. He touched on that in his previous Winston dedicated podcast but they really drove it home in the last one.

 

[massraider]

DJ will being releasing a podcast dedicated to MM this week, like he did for Winston. Very curious to hear it.

Me too. The Winston one was interesting.

I have such a hard time believing a team won't make a move for Mariota. IF Tennessee doesn't like him, and I am certainly not sure about that, you have three teams not taking a QB in a row, that could all use extra premium picks.

Redskins, Jets, Bears, Rams, Browns are all in the top 12, and one could make a Mariota argument for all of them.

In his last one both he and C. Davis seemed adamate that they don't see a team moving up for him in the top 5. I happen to disagree.Also interesting. They really put to bed the notion that Winston is a major character risk. He touched on that in his previous Winston dedicated podcast but they really drove it home in the last one.

Almost posted exactly what you're talking about, he mentioned there was no one around campus that had a bad thing to say about Winston, which was really, really interesting. He pointed out that it was pretty rare to hear not a bad thing, and I think most people would assume Winston would have some detractors around campus. I would certainly assume that.

The more I think about Tennessee, the more I think they could love Mariota, and really be keeping it under wraps. If they let it out there, and somehow Mariota goes 1st, as impossible as that seems, there's some PR backpedaling to happen. Whisenhunt has never had a stud young QB as a head coach, he's an offensive-minded guy, hard to imagine he couldn't be thinking of possibilities with Mariota.

The team that makes the most sense to me in a trade are the Rams. They have more talent roster-wide than all the other teams in the top 10 by a wide margin, if any 'bad' team can afford some picks in an trade, I think it's them.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Marcus Mariota - QB - Player
Oregon QB Marcus Mariota will visit the Buccaneers on Tuesday.
The Buccaneers are still expected to take Jameis Winston with the first pick, but they're at least giving Mariota a fair shake. Statistically, Mariota was far superior to Winston in 2014, leading all of college football with a monstrous 181.7 passer rating. However, teams seem to favor Winston because of his arm strength and experience in a pro-style offense. The Titans, Redskins, Chargers and Jets have also been linked to Mariota.

Related: Buccaneers

Source: Zig Fracassi on Twitter
Mar 29 - 11:52 AM

 

[cstu]

Almost posted exactly what you're talking about, he mentioned there was no one around campus that had a bad thing to say about Winston, which was really, really interesting. He pointed out that it was pretty rare to hear not a bad thing, and I think most people would assume Winston would have some detractors around campus. I would certainly assume that.

The more I think about Tennessee, the more I think they could love Mariota, and really be keeping it under wraps. If they let it out there, and somehow Mariota goes 1st, as impossible as that seems, there's some PR backpedaling to happen. Whisenhunt has never had a stud young QB as a head coach, he's an offensive-minded guy, hard to imagine he couldn't be thinking of possibilities with Mariota.

The team that makes the most sense to me in a trade are the Rams. They have more talent roster-wide than all the other teams in the top 10 by a wide margin, if any 'bad' team can afford some picks in an trade, I think it's them.

 

[jurb26]

The team that makes the most sense to me in a trade are the Rams. They have more talent roster-wide than all the other teams in the top 10 by a wide margin, if any 'bad' team can afford some picks in an trade, I think it's them.

I love the Rams, on paper. I agree they are vastly more talented than anyone picking in the top 10. The thing is, they got this way by not trading up and making sound draft picks, generally. I find it unlikely they abandon that now and move up to get MM. If he falls, they could easily draft him.

For MM I think St. L is a great landing spot. He could sit behind Foles and learn, which he needs. There is also that talented roster.

The biggest issue I have with St. L moving up for him is that I feel like they are in a win now mode. Adding Foles can get them over the hump. He needs some help, though. St. L is in a great spot to add a playmaker and moving up for MM would be too expensive.

I recently mocked NYJ moving up for MM and I think they are a solid contender. If they want him, they have to fear, Tenn, Wash or someone else potentially leapfrogging them to get him. Like I said, I think MM goes top 5. If ere were any viable QBs in this class after Winston/Mariota I wouldn't feel so strongly about him going top 5. There just isn't.

 

[Bob Magaw]

The team that makes the most sense to me in a trade are the Rams. They have more talent roster-wide than all the other teams in the top 10 by a wide margin, if any 'bad' team can afford some picks in an trade, I think it's them.

I love the Rams, on paper. I agree they are vastly more talented than anyone picking in the top 10. The thing is, they got this way by not trading up and making sound draft picks, generally. I find it unlikely they abandon that now and move up to get MM. If he falls, they could easily draft him.For MM I think St. L is a great landing spot. He could sit behind Foles and learn, which he needs. There is also that talented roster.

The biggest issue I have with St. L moving up for him is that I feel like they are in a win now mode. Adding Foles can get them over the hump. He needs some help, though. St. L is in a great spot to add a playmaker and moving up for MM would be too expensive.

I recently mocked NYJ moving up for MM and I think they are a solid contender. If they want him, they have to fear, Tenn, Wash or someone else potentially leapfrogging them to get him. Like I said, I think MM goes top 5. If ere were any viable QBs in this class after Winston/Mariota I wouldn't feel so strongly about him going top 5. There just isn't.

I agree with this, and find a trade up unlikely for the Rams. They could stay pat, and have a blue chip talent at a need area like Cooper, White or Scherff fall right into their laps. They could trade down, amass more picks, and still possibly end up with one of the top OT/guards in the draft, like La'el Collins or Ereck Flowers.

I'm starting to think TEN either drafts Mariota, or is the logical branching point in the draft to get to, unless they are determined to take DT Williams (is he THAT transcendent a talent that he trumps a potential blue chip QB?). Trading to JAX (who doesn't need a QB, but may not want to risk losing Fowler - which is why a WAS trade may make sense if Mariota gets past TEN, because OAK is being linked with a WR) wouldn't make sense until AFTER TEN passes, and that would be risky to wait if a team becomes enamored with him leading up to the draft.

I was critical of Mariota because I thought he looked very inaccurate in the pro day workout. But he was probably just pressing and anxious. When I hear things like cstu quoting Chip Kelly (who should know) that Mariota isn't just running fast, but mentally, information processing fast (like Manning fast), with his physical tools and work ethic, I like his chances to succeed at a high level - cstu has also used the Aaron Rodgers comp, but I don't know if this is common, I haven't heard it elsewhere?

I would take him at 1.10 in a heartbeat, maybe even move up a little, but it increasingly looks to me like he will be going off early, and it would cost a lot. TEN might not even want to drop that far. WAS could be perfect, if they can scoop up some picks and get Fowler anyways. Going to NYJ might be riskier, unless they are OK getting Fowler or Beasley, say. CHI gets even riskier. But they have a ton of holes. Fox is an older HC, and I'd think would want to turn around the team's fortunes quickly. Would he want to cast his fate with what might be a developmental QB who may not be ready until 2016 at the earliest (does he even have authority to decide on personnel, or is that more likley the GM, in which case, building for the future at the most important position could be exactly the right move to make)? ATL and even NYG don't seem like candidates to move up. Than STL and MIN. CLE at 1.12 would be a long way to move down.

 

[cstu]

Dungy and Mora "a bigger, faster, stronger Aaron, same demeanor and in control during the game" have thrown out the Rodgers comp.

If you can get a guy like that for Foles, #10, and 2016 1st, you do it. I don't think those picks make the Rams a better team than Mariota and you would have Mariota on contract for 4 cheap years.

The Rams have the talent now and only missing an elite QB. As much as I like Foles, he's limited in what he can do. For Mariota the sky's the limit.

 

[massraider]

Getting a solid young QB elevates everyone around him. Tre Mason would look better, Quick would look better, Britt......everyone.

 

[Bob Magaw]

Dungy and Mora "a bigger, faster, stronger Aaron, same demeanor and in control during the game" have thrown out the Rodgers comp.

If you can get a guy like that for Foles, #10, and 2016 1st, you do it. I don't think those picks make the Rams a better team than Mariota and you would have Mariota on contract for 4 cheap years.

The Rams have the talent now and only missing an elite QB. As much as I like Foles, he's limited in what he can do. For Mariota the sky's the limit.

If you have conviction that is what Mariota is, and it proves true, than it makes sense in principle. If he isn't as good as advertised and Foles becomes a better player, that would just be a brutal, heinous, disastrous move (point taken Mariota could be cheaper longer, but only relevant if he fulfills his potential).

The argument you are making is coincidentally the exact same one many used to justify the stupidity of the Rams position/narrative in not just taking RG3 at the time, for several years. That is no longer looking like quite as tenable a position. Would you rather have Brockers, Ogletree, Greg Robinson and ancillary but still starting caliber or borderline players like Stedman Bailey and Janoris Jenkins right now, or RG3* (plus they were still able to leverage Bradford for Foles and a second, on top of that earlier trade)?

* It would have to be a concern, that Mariota has some parallels with RG3, a running QB who plays in a system in which there are some legit questions about how translateable are the skills that enable a QB to thrive in that collegiate scheme, to the NFL. I think Mariota's skills will translate, but don't have the kind of conviction required to essentially blow the top off of the next two drafts, AND abandon a player they claimed was THE key piece of the puzzle needed to consumate the Bradford trade.

We know from experience, either or both of the Rams 2015 and 2016 first rounders could be leveraged into multiple other picks. "Just" the 2015 1.10, if traded down to the 1.15-1.20 range, could turn into a top OL prospect at a need position like OT, guard or center (Collins, Flowers or Erving), and an extra second or third rounder, which could potentially be used on a second-tier QB prospect like Hundley or Petty, a guard like Cann or Tomlinson or a MLB like Kendricks, McKinney, Perryman, that could be groomed as an heir apparent and eventual successor for a possibly declining Laurinaitis approaching 30?

 

[jurb26]

Dungy and Mora "a bigger, faster, stronger Aaron, same demeanor and in control during the game" have thrown out the Rodgers comp.

If you can get a guy like that for Foles, #10, and 2016 1st, you do it. I don't think those picks make the Rams a better team than Mariota and you would have Mariota on contract for 4 cheap years.

The Rams have the talent now and only missing an elite QB. As much as I like Foles, he's limited in what he can do. For Mariota the sky's the limit.

No matter how blinded you are by Mariota and his "potential." There is really no justification to St. L placing all their eggs into the basket of a rookie QB. Especially when they have a decent option at the position already.

 

[Faust]

Marcus Mariota draws praise from Titans coach Ken Whisenhunt

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

CBS Sports' Dane Brugler has Oregon QB Marcus Mariota landing with the Washington Redskins in his latest mock draft, and believes he "is a possibility at No. 5 if he's still on the board."
"With Robert Griffin III struggling to regain the promise he showed as a rookie, the Redskins are doing thorough homework on Mariota, bringing him in for a private visit prior to the NFL Draft. Whether or not it's simply due diligence or genuine interest, the former Duck is a possibility at No. 5 if he's still on the board," Brugler wrote. The Redskins -- who already have three veteran quarterbacks on the roster with RG3, Kirk Cousins and Colt McCoy-- could be playing the game with potential interest in Mariota. With the Redskins making it known that they're planning to take a "best available" approach at No.5, it would be shocking to see them hit the reset button at the QB position and draft Mariota.

Source: CBS Sports
Mar 30 - 3:31 PM

 

[Van Dyman]

Whisenhunt sounds very impressed.

 

[cstu]

Whisenhunt sounds very impressed.

TENNESSEE’S KEN WHISENHUNT

Q: What do you think of Marcus Mariota’s football IQ and his ability to transition to the NFL game?

Whisenhunt: Very high. I think he has very good spatial memory. You say, what’s spatial memory? He remembers plays. He remembers fronts. He remembers things in the short term and the long term. We’re talking about an unbalanced set that USC ran against them three years ago. Like, Oh yeah, that was in this game at this time. Those are the kind of things, to me, that are important for that position. You have to have a memory that can see everything and remember it, because when it happens in a game, then you have to come over and communicate that on the sideline, then you have to have a plan of how you’re gonna adjust to it. That’s what the really successful ones do. So he exhibits that type of quality. We still have a little bit more classroom time with him, but he’s been impressive. He does a lot of things that, no matter what offense you run, transition well to the NFL game.

 

[Tool]

Dungy and Mora "a bigger, faster, stronger Aaron, same demeanor and in control during the game" have thrown out the Rodgers comp.

If you can get a guy like that for Foles, #10, and 2016 1st, you do it. I don't think those picks make the Rams a better team than Mariota and you would have Mariota on contract for 4 cheap years.

The Rams have the talent now and only missing an elite QB. As much as I like Foles, he's limited in what he can do. For Mariota the sky's the limit.

No matter how blinded you are by Mariota and his "potential." There is really no justification to St. L placing all their eggs into the basket of a rookie QB. Especially when they have a decent option at the position already.

I agree and don't think there's much of a chance St. Louis trades up. I think differing opinions are on how people view Foles.

 

[cstu]

Dungy and Mora "a bigger, faster, stronger Aaron, same demeanor and in control during the game" have thrown out the Rodgers comp.

If you can get a guy like that for Foles, #10, and 2016 1st, you do it. I don't think those picks make the Rams a better team than Mariota and you would have Mariota on contract for 4 cheap years.

The Rams have the talent now and only missing an elite QB. As much as I like Foles, he's limited in what he can do. For Mariota the sky's the limit.

No matter how blinded you are by Mariota and his "potential." There is really no justification to St. L placing all their eggs into the basket of a rookie QB. Especially when they have a decent option at the position already.

I agree and don't think there's much of a chance St. Louis trades up. I think differing opinions are on how people view Foles.

I'm a Foles fan and he's capable starter, just think a guy like Mariota is rare and you don't pass on a guy like that because you have a passable QB.

 

[Faust]

Jeremiah: Redskins are team most in need of Marcus Mariota

 

[Tool]

Dungy and Mora "a bigger, faster, stronger Aaron, same demeanor and in control during the game" have thrown out the Rodgers comp.

If you can get a guy like that for Foles, #10, and 2016 1st, you do it. I don't think those picks make the Rams a better team than Mariota and you would have Mariota on contract for 4 cheap years.

The Rams have the talent now and only missing an elite QB. As much as I like Foles, he's limited in what he can do. For Mariota the sky's the limit.

No matter how blinded you are by Mariota and his "potential." There is really no justification to St. L placing all their eggs into the basket of a rookie QB. Especially when they have a decent option at the position already.

I agree and don't think there's much of a chance St. Louis trades up. I think differing opinions are on how people view Foles.

I'm a Foles fan and he's capable starter, just think a guy like Mariota is rare and you don't pass on a guy like that because you have a passable QB.

Except they're not passing on him. They pick 10th.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

ESPN's Mel Kiper believes Oregon QB Marcus Mariota and the Chiefs would fit together beautifully.

The analyst concedes that the odds of such a marriage are "very low," as the Chiefs would have to vault up the board from No. 18 to have any chance. "We keep talking about the perfect marriage (remarriage?) of a Chip Kelly offense and his perfect quarterback in Mariota," Kiper wrote. "But I think of what Andy Reid did with a young Donovan McNabb -- a very good athlete at QB with movement skills but also a lot of projection left as an accurate passer -- not to mention work he's done to maximize the potential of other QBs, and I think he'd be fantastic working with Mariota."

Source: ESPN Insider
Mar 31 - 1:02 AM

 

[Grahamburn]

Whisenhunt sounds very impressed.

TENNESSEE’S KEN WHISENHUNT

Q: What do you think of Marcus Mariota’s football IQ and his ability to transition to the NFL game?

Whisenhunt: Very high. I think he has very good spatial memory. You say, what’s spatial memory? He remembers plays. He remembers fronts. He remembers things in the short term and the long term. We’re talking about an unbalanced set that USC ran against them three years ago. Like, Oh yeah, that was in this game at this time. Those are the kind of things, to me, that are important for that position. You have to have a memory that can see everything and remember it, because when it happens in a game, then you have to come over and communicate that on the sideline, then you have to have a plan of how you’re gonna adjust to it. That’s what the really successful ones do. So he exhibits that type of quality. We still have a little bit more classroom time with him, but he’s been impressive. He does a lot of things that, no matter what offense you run, transition well to the NFL game.

They want to trade this pick so badly.

 

[cstu]

Rotoviz just posted an article about Mariota's comps.

whittle it down to players taken in the top 10ish of the draft. In that case you would get RGIII, Leinart, Andrew Luck, Roethlisberger, and Bortles.

Of those, Leinart was the only one with less than 200 total rushing yards in college (had negative yards in fact).

 

[Faust]

Why the Titans shouldn't take Marcus Mariota at No. 2

 

[cstu]

Why the Titans shouldn't take Marcus Mariota at No. 2

But Mariota isn’t a certain answer. I see too much mystery in projecting him, based in part on what people inside the league and analysts I’ve talked with have said about him.

But this one just doesn’t feel right, and being gun-shy might be a good thing.

Ask Nick Saban how he feels about passing on Rodgers for Ronnie Brown even though he only had Frerotte and Rosenfels at QB.

 

[Tool]

Why the Titans shouldn't take Marcus Mariota at No. 2

But Mariota isn’t a certain answer. I see too much mystery in projecting him, based in part on what people inside the league and analysts I’ve talked with have said about him.

But this one just doesn’t feel right, and being gun-shy might be a good thing.

Ask Nick Saban how he feels about passing on Rodgers for Ronnie Brown even though he only had Frerotte and Rosenfels at QB.

You really like to cherry pick examples.

 

[cstu]

Why the Titans shouldn't take Marcus Mariota at No. 2

But Mariota isn’t a certain answer. I see too much mystery in projecting him, based in part on what people inside the league and analysts I’ve talked with have said about him.

But this one just doesn’t feel right, and being gun-shy might be a good thing.

Ask Nick Saban how he feels about passing on Rodgers for Ronnie Brown even though he only had Frerotte and Rosenfels at QB.

You really like to cherry pick examples.

It's just an example but if there's a highly rated QB with few flaws on the board and you don't have one then you take him.

ETA: If it wasn't for the rape issue, I would say the same about Winston. If you're going to bust on a pick then make it a QB.

 

[Tool]

Why the Titans shouldn't take Marcus Mariota at No. 2

But Mariota isn’t a certain answer. I see too much mystery in projecting him, based in part on what people inside the league and analysts I’ve talked with have said about him.

But this one just doesn’t feel right, and being gun-shy might be a good thing.

Ask Nick Saban how he feels about passing on Rodgers for Ronnie Brown even though he only had Frerotte and Rosenfels at QB.

You really like to cherry pick examples.

It's just an example but if there's a highly rated QB with few flaws on the board and you don't have one then you take him.

ETA: If it wasn't for the rape issue, I would say the same about Winston. If you're going to bust on a pick then make it a QB.

Ask ______how he feels about taking _______ (insert top QB pick that busted) when he could have picked _______.

 

[Borden]

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2416071-marcus-mariota-reportedly-doesnt-plan-to-attend-2015-nfl-draft

Mariota not going to the draft either.

 

[jurb26]

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2416071-marcus-mariota-reportedly-doesnt-plan-to-attend-2015-nfl-draft

Mariota not going to the draft either.

Where is the nuclear meltdown about how terrible a decision this is like the one in the Winston thread?

 

[Bob Magaw]

If Mariota were to go #2 to TEN (or a team trading up), a look at the first or next QB taken after first overall pick in the last two decades, obviously some of these are less relevant to Mariota's situation than others:

'14 - Bortles (1.3)

'13 - Manuel (1.16)

'12 - RG3 (1.2)

'11 - Locker (1.8)

'10 - Tebow (1.25)

'09 - Sanchez (1.5)

'08 - Ryan (1.3)

'07 - Quinn (1.22)

'06 - VY (1.3)

'05 - Rodgers (1.24)

'04 - Rivers (1.4)

'03 - Leftwich (1.7)

'02 - Harrington (1.3)

'01 - Brees (2.1)

'00 - Pennington (1.18)

'99 - Mcnabb (1.2)

'98 - Leaf (1.2)

'97 - Druckenmiller (1.26)

'96 - Banks (second round #42)

'95 - McNair (1.3)

 

[Tool]

If Mariota were to go #2 to TEN (or a team trading up), a look at the first or next QB taken after first overall pick in the last two decades, obviously some of these are less relevant to Mariota's situation than others:

'14 - Bortles (1.3)

'13 - Manuel (1.16)

'12 - RG3 (1.2)

'11 - Locker (1.8)

'10 - Tebow (1.25)

'09 - Sanchez (1.5)

'08 - Ryan (1.3)

'07 - Quinn (1.22)

'06 - VY (1.3)

'05 - Rodgers (1.24)

'04 - Rivers (1.4)

'03 - Leftwich (1.7)

'02 - Harrington (1.3)

'01 - Brees (2.1)

'00 - Pennington (1.18)

'99 - Mcnabb (1.2)

'98 - Leaf (1.2)

'97 - Druckenmiller (1.26)

'96 - Banks (second round #42)

'95 - McNair (1.3)

If you narrow it down to top 10 picks, 4 hits out of 11.

 

[MAC_32]

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2416071-marcus-mariota-reportedly-doesnt-plan-to-attend-2015-nfl-draft

Mariota not going to the draft either.

Where is the nuclear meltdown about how terrible a decision this is like the one in the Winston thread?

Only 4 more weeks of this trash...

 

[Freelove]

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2416071-marcus-mariota-reportedly-doesnt-plan-to-attend-2015-nfl-draft

Mariota not going to the draft either.

Where is the nuclear meltdown about how terrible a decision this is like the one in the Winston thread?

Where are the people who get indignant when anybody dares to suggest Mariota would be an idiotic pick if he went first in the draft?

 

[gump]

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2416071-marcus-mariota-reportedly-doesnt-plan-to-attend-2015-nfl-draft

Mariota not going to the draft either.

Where is the nuclear meltdown about how terrible a decision this is like the one in the Winston thread?

CSTU said it was 'strange...ridiculous'...and questioned why Winston was the only QB who wouldn't want to attend.