QB Marcus Mariota, WAS (1 Viewer)

[cstu]

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2416071-marcus-mariota-reportedly-doesnt-plan-to-attend-2015-nfl-draft

Mariota not going to the draft either.

Where is the nuclear meltdown about how terrible a decision this is like the one in the Winston thread?

CSTU said it was 'strange...ridiculous'...and questioned why Winston was the only QB who wouldn't want to attend.

Neither QB knows if they'll get picked #1 or fall out of the 1st round. That's why they don't want to be there.

 

[Bob Magaw]

There is like a .000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% chance of Winston free falling out of the first round (though I'm not laying those odds, risking a penny would probably fetch more wealth than exists on Earth by many orders of magnitude ).

 

[massraider]

Come on, man.

 

[Don't Noonan]

I find it hard to believe Winston is a lock at # 1. He has had so many off the field issues and that would concern me. He also threw more interceptions in just the first half of games than Mariota threw in his entire 3 year career. Who is the qb who can't throw in tight windows?

Whoever lands Mariota will get a steal and I hope Philly finds a way to trade up and get him.

 

[cstu]

I find it hard to believe Winston is a lock at # 1. He has had so many off the field issues and that would concern me. He also threw more interceptions in just the first half of games than Mariota threw in his entire 3 year career. Who is the qb who can't throw in tight windows?

Whoever lands Mariota will get a steal and I hope Philly finds a way to trade up and get him.

Listened to an interview with scout Chris Landry and he had a lot of interesting things to say:

- Bucs are not decided on Winston or Mariota (this was before they spent 3 days with him). He's been told by Bucs personnel where they are leaning but refused to say anything because it might be misinformation. Also if true he didn't want to hurt his insider access by revealing it.

- Said he verified that Winston was 252 during the championship game, 262 after his ankle injury last year, quickly got down to 242, and then got down to 231 for the combine.

- Said the following people preferred Mariota over Winston (tape only): Sean Payton, Kubiak, Bill O'Brien (preferred Petty over both), Pep Hamilton, Doug Peterson, Darrel Bevell, Bill Lazor, Tom Clements and Mike McCarthy, Norv Turner, Josh McDaniels, and Arians.

- 6 coaches and 4 GM's preferred Winston - Mike Shula, Marty Mornhinweg, Joe Philbin, Hue Jackson, Jed Finch, Frank Reich, GM's Doug Whaley, Scot McCloughan, Ryan Grigson, Dave Caldwell.

- Said he was more concerned about Winston's coachability than Mariota's adjustment to the NFL but he felt better about it after talking to Winston.

- Said he didn't care what the Mayock's and McShay's have to say, they're not scouts and don't do what we do.

 

[cstu]

There is like a .000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% chance of Winston free falling out of the first round (though I'm not laying those odds, risking a penny would probably fetch more wealth than exists on Earth by many orders of magnitude ).

Bridgewater nearly fell out of the 1st round and he didn't have a rape case and documentary about to come out.

 

[-CE-]

There is like a .000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% chance of Winston free falling out of the first round (though I'm not laying those odds, risking a penny would probably fetch more wealth than exists on Earth by many orders of magnitude ).

Bridgewater nearly fell out of the 1st round and he didn't have a rape case and documentary about to come out.

He was also nowhere near the prospect of Winston.

He was also not in a draft class considered relatively weak in the first round, with some teams grading as few as 20 players worthy of first round picks.

Neither QB will fall out of the first round.

 

[lod01]

I find it hard to believe Winston is a lock at # 1. He has had so many off the field issues and that would concern me. He also threw more interceptions in just the first half of games than Mariota threw in his entire 3 year career. Who is the qb who can't throw in tight windows?

Whoever lands Mariota will get a steal and I hope Philly finds a way to trade up and get him.

Don't underestimate the stupidity of the bucs. They paid a guy millions to stink when they had a 2nd year QB that they were paying far less who put up great numbers as a rookie and then was passed by by stupid mgmt and a really stupid HC. Currently they have a 2nd year QB that they have no idea if he is NFL starting material.

 

[Bob Magaw]

Not condoning it, but Roethlisberger has a checkered past, and just got a $100 million extension.

There are CBs that are bigger than Bridgewater, not many successful QBs in the league with his physique, one identifiable reason he dropped.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Marcus Mariota - QB - Ducks
NFL Media analyst Charles Davis reports that he keeps "hearing talk that the Saints could blow us all away with a monster trade to land a quarterback in this year's draft."
Earlier this offseason, that talk revolved around Drew Brees, though HC Sean Payton eventually shot down those rumors. Davis thinks they still might have the hots for Marcus Mariota. "If Mariota falls to No. 13 -- the first of the Saints' two picks in the first round -- would Payton be tempted to take him? It's not likely that Mariota slides that far, but it's not completely out of the realm of possibility," he wrote. "Seeing Mariota be groomed behind Brees, who is signed through 2016, would be fun to watch. I think Payton would have a ball coaching up the athletic former Ducks star."

Source: NFL.com
Apr 1 - 9:30 PM

 

[amnesiac]

i just can't imagine the Browns passing on Mariota if he were to fall to them in that seanario.

 

[MAC_32]

i just can't imagine the Browns passing on Mariota if he were to fall to them in that seanario.

After Bridgewater's inexplicable fall last year anything is possible but I would raise an eyebrow if he's not drafted 2nd, be surprised if he makes it past picks 4-6, and stunned if he falls out of the top 10. Those teams in the latter part of the top 10 may not be targeting QB (Chicago probably is though), but they'll trade down to a team that is.

 

[roadkill1292]

I like this trend of projected top picks not attending the draft.

 

[Faust]

KIPER DOESN'T FORESEE MARIOTA TRADE

Mel Kiper doesn't expect teams to trade up for Marcus Mariota: "It would be a hefty price to pay to go up and get a quarterback that you have to wait on. And this is not a patient league." (via Mike & Mike)

 

[DocHolliday]

I try not to make predictions but Mariota and Winston are not lasting past the first round. That is just crazy talk.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

EDIT: Wonky formatting, lets try again.

LINK to Danial Jeremiah's special podcast devoted entirely to breaking down Oregon QB Marcus Mariota.

http://www.nfl.com/podcasts?id=f963f32f7c659437923affa48bd1b936

Marcus Mariota 360Published: Apr 1, 2015 at 1:21 PM
Daniel Jeremiah conducts a scouting report of Oregon quarterback Marcus Mariota, analyzing Mariota's college tape and taking a look at his early-football career. With interviews from Mariota's high school coach, an opposing college coach, former teammates and more, D.J. answers all the big questions surrounding Marcus Mariota's skills and personality entering the 2015 NFL Draft.

 

[Faust]

Jeremiah: Marcus Mariota not best fit for Titans at No. 2

 

[Faust]

Jets GM: Hope to add another QB

 

[jurb26]

EDIT: Wonky formatting, lets try again.

LINK to Danial Jeremiah's special podcast devoted entirely to breaking down Oregon QB Marcus Mariota.

http://www.nfl.com/podcasts?id=f963f32f7c659437923affa48bd1b936

Marcus Mariota 360

Published: Apr 1, 2015 at 1:21 PM

Daniel Jeremiah conducts a scouting report of Oregon quarterback Marcus Mariota, analyzing Mariota's college tape and taking a look at his early-football career. With interviews from Mariota's high school coach, an opposing college coach, former teammates and more, D.J. answers all the big questions surrounding Marcus Mariota's skills and personality entering the 2015 NFL Draft.

Good listen, as always. I didn't like it as much as the Winston one, though. I felt he spent too much time on Mariota's character. I mean nobody questions his character like Winston, so it seemed odd to dedicate that much too it. I guess the process is the process for him. Still, I'd have like to hear more about the on field stuff and less of that. All in all he seems to like Mariota. He rates him as the 7th overall player in the class. Said Mariota improved in the pocket a lot from 13 to 14. They talked a lot about the scheme and how it's a tough translation to the NFL for evaluation. Lots of discussion on his leadership style. Nobody sees it as a problem. I don't think many ever really did. Offers Tannehill as his comp which certainly fits.

 

[Capella]

I try not to make predictions but Mariota and Winston are not lasting past the first round. That is just crazy talk.

At this point Cstu is either shtick or a legit crazy person.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Marcus Mariota - QB - Ducks

Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain-Dealer expects the Browns to pursue trades for Oregon QB Marcus Mariota and Sam Bradford on draft day.

"I think they'll try to trade up to draft Marcus Mariota, and I also think they could make another run at Sam Bradford on draft day," Cabot wrote. Do not rule out Cleveland as a destination for Mariota. With two first-rounders, they have plenty of trade ammunition, and the reports of their interest in the Duck prospect have been rather pervasive this winter.

Source: Cleveland Plain-Dealer

Apr 2 - 9:15 PM

 

[Faust]

Jets coach Todd Bowles fuels Marcus Mariota speculation:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000483264/article/jets-coach-todd-bowles-fuels-marcus-mariota-speculation

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Last night's AUDIBLE broke down both Jamies Winston and Marcus Mariota and they raise a ton of questions on Mariota's game, his demeanor, and whether or not he can transition to the NFL. Teaser alert, they were pretty harsh and seem to crush him.

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Apr 2 2015
2015 Volume#19a - The Audible LIVE! - NFL Draft Talk - 4/02/2015 (#2350)
In this episode: Cecil Lammey, Sigmund Bloom, Matt Waldman and Jene Bramel discuss the latest news and notes from around the NFL and the NFL draft. Topics Include - A thorough breakdown of both QB Jameis Winston and QB Marcus Mariota, who is the third best QB in this draft class, the latest on RB Todd Gurley, plus more!

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Marcus Mariota - QB - Ducks

Based on an analysis of similar builds and combine performances, ESPN Stats & Information Group's Sharon Katz writes that Oregon QB Marcus Mariota is similar to Jake Locker and Andrew Luck.

"Both ran a sub-4.6-second 40, led their QB classes in the 3-cone drill and had above-average vertical and broad jumps," she wrote. "Luck is thicker than Mariota and lacks his straight-line speed, but he was a close match in the other combine tests." ESPN colleague Kevin Weidl doesn't see those comparisons on tape, instead comparing Mariota to Colin Kaepernick and Russell Wilson. "Similar to Kaepernick coming out of Nevada, Mariota is a dual-threat type who played in a spread system," he wrote. "While I believe Mariota has a higher ceiling as a passer, he will need time to developing mechanics and anticipation as a pocket passer. Where the Wilson comparison comes into play with Mariota is his instincts when improvising. Like Wilson, Mariota constantly has a plan when extending plays and keeps his eyes downfield to look for an open receiver before electing to tuck and run."

Source: ESPN Insider

Apr 3 - 8:31 PM

 

[Faust]

Scout vs. Scout: Is Marcus Mariota worth a top-10 pick?

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000483459/article/scout-vs-scout-is-marcus-mariota-worth-a-top10-pick

 

[Bob Magaw]

Peter King's latest MMQB column.

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/04/06/nate-boyer-long-snapper-green-beret-nfl-draft/6/

Mariota loves play-action. Oregon quarterback Marcus Mariota led the nation using play-action, going with it on 53.8 percent of his dropbacks. Alex Smith led the NFL last season with 31 percent play-action.

Mariota took more sacks than he should. Mariota was sacked 23 percent of the time he was pressured, the sixth-highest rate among quarterbacks in the draft class. Florida State’s Jameis Winston was sacked only 11.5 percent of his pressured dropbacks, second-best in the class.

 

[Zdravko]

If someone who thinks Mariotta drops out of the first round has the balls, I am offering 20:1 odds. You put in $10, I give you back $200 if it happens.

 

[bucsbaby]

No way he drops out of the 1st round. No way he drops out of the top 3.

 

[Bri]

No way he drops out of the 1st round. No way he drops out of the top 3.

Well top 3 is sure possible.

Leonard Williams to TEN seems to be a common thought and Jax doesn't need a young QB.

Certainly trading seems to be the way to go here, but ...

 

[Bri]

I find it hard to believe Winston is a lock at # 1. He has had so many off the field issues and that would concern me. He also threw more interceptions in just the first half of games than Mariota threw in his entire 3 year career. Who is the qb who can't throw in tight windows?

Whoever lands Mariota will get a steal and I hope Philly finds a way to trade up and get him.

Listened to an interview with scout Chris Landry and he had a lot of interesting things to say:

- Bucs are not decided on Winston or Mariota (this was before they spent 3 days with him). He's been told by Bucs personnel where they are leaning but refused to say anything because it might be misinformation. Also if true he didn't want to hurt his insider access by revealing it.

- Said he verified that Winston was 252 during the championship game, 262 after his ankle injury last year, quickly got down to 242, and then got down to 231 for the combine.

- Said the following people preferred Mariota over Winston (tape only): Sean Payton, Kubiak, Bill O'Brien (preferred Petty over both), Pep Hamilton, Doug Peterson, Darrel Bevell, Bill Lazor, Tom Clements and Mike McCarthy, Norv Turner, Josh McDaniels, and Arians.

- 6 coaches and 4 GM's preferred Winston - Mike Shula, Marty Mornhinweg, Joe Philbin, Hue Jackson, Jed Finch, Frank Reich, GM's Doug Whaley, Scot McCloughan, Ryan Grigson, Dave Caldwell.

- Said he was more concerned about Winston's coachability than Mariota's adjustment to the NFL but he felt better about it after talking to Winston.

- Said he didn't care what the Mayock's and McShay's have to say, they're not scouts and don't do what we do.

Interesting, also Texans fans should take a note of Petty.

 

[Bri]

All the Titans trade talk- if ya ask me the Bucs stink at drafting QBs. Some franchises are blessed to always draft certain positions well and struggle with others. I'd rather an NFL team say "we're just not good at this" then trade the pick for a veteran QB they like and whatever else they get.

Smartest move is probably trade to the 2(if Titans bite) then trade again...if Chip Kelly turns this into an FF style draft

 

[Faust]

Marcus Mariota will work out for Tampa Bay on Tuesday

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Oregon QB Marcus Mariota is scheduled to visit the Titans later this week, according to Jim Wyatt.
The Titans will likely spend the next three weeks figuring out, or trying to convince themselves, if Zach Mettenberger is the guy. I don't think he is. The Titans should select one of the top two quarterbacks at pick No. 2. If they stick with Mettenberger and when six games next year, they are no longer in position to take a passer of their choice. Mariota has foundation quarterback traits and did work through progressions in a confined pocket, just not as often or as obviously as Jameis Winston.

Source: Jim Wyatt on Twitter
Apr 7 - 1:02 PM

 

[Bri]

Bears supposedly want Mariotta too

 

[Faust]

Phil Simms: Titans should pass on Marcus Mariota at No. 2

 

[Faust]

Buccaneers' Twitter was really, really excited about Marcus Mariota workout

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

CBS Sports' Frank Cooney sees Oregon QB Marcus Mariota as the best fit in the draft for the Titans.
All three of his CBS colleagues disagree, slotting Leonard Williams to the Tennessee. "The call for best fit here is if Mariota is the quarterback on the board, the Titans take him," Cooney wrote. "If Winston is the quarterback on the board, his marketability may be of more value than his presence, so the Titans trade down. They should get a lower pick in the first round and a second-round pick this year, plus a first-round pick next year, when the draft is expected to have a deeper selection of quarterbacks if [Zach] Mettenberger doesn't work out." The Titans hold all the cards in this year's draft. They've held those cards close to the vest, leading many to believe they're leveraging their situation into the best trade offer they can get.

Source: CBS Sports
Apr 7 - 7:39 PM

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Phil Simms doesn't see a top-ten talent.

"Marcus Mariota, and I'm not taking anything away from Oregon, he just hasn't been taught," Simms said. "You'd have to make alterations to your offense and really teach what he does. ... He doesn't have time to make up all the time he wasn't under center. And I don't see top-10 arm talent with Marcus Mariota."

Brian Baldinger obviously doesn't either since he has Mariota falling in latest mock he put out two days ago where he has him dropping all the way to the 20th pick of the first round.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/mock-drafts/brian-baldinger/245607

Mock draft 2.0: Eagles keep on DuckingBy Brian Baldinger |

Published: April 6, 2015 at 12:21 p.m.

Pick No. 20

Marcus Mariota QB Oregon
Whether it's here at pick No. 20 or through a trade, Mariota gets reunited with Chip Kelly and the Eagles keep on Ducking.

 

[FUBAR]

ETA: If it wasn't for the rape issue, I would say the same about Winston. If you're going to bust on a pick then make it a QB.

I'd rather not bust. Take the most valuable player, QB or not. IMO Williams is that guy this year, even at #1.

If Mariota were to go #2 to TEN (or a team trading up), a look at the first or next QB taken after first overall pick in the last two decades, obviously some of these are less relevant to Mariota's situation than others:

'14 - Bortles (1.3)

'13 - Manuel (1.16)

'12 - RG3 (1.2)

'11 - Locker (1.8)

'10 - Tebow (1.25)

'09 - Sanchez (1.5)

'08 - Ryan (1.3)

'07 - Quinn (1.22)

'06 - VY (1.3)

'05 - Rodgers (1.24)

'04 - Rivers (1.4)

'03 - Leftwich (1.7)

'02 - Harrington (1.3)

'01 - Brees (2.1)

'00 - Pennington (1.18)

'99 - Mcnabb (1.2)

'98 - Leaf (1.2)

'97 - Druckenmiller (1.26)

'96 - Banks (second round #42)

'95 - McNair (1.3)

If you narrow it down to top 10 picks, 4 hits out of 11.

and one of those in the past decade. (I'm not ready to call Bortles a hit, though he could be)

 

[Faust]

LOOK: Marcus Mariota's private workout with the Bucs

 

[cstu]

To the people who say Mariota can't transition from a spread offense:

Passing

Year 	School 	Conf 	Class 	Pos 	G 	Cmp 	Att 	Pct 	Yds 	Y/A 	AY/A 	TD 	Int 	Rate1983 	BYU 	WAC 	JR	QB 	11 	306 	429 	71.3 	3902 	9.1 	9.6 	33 	10 	168.52014 	Oregon 	Pac-12 	JR 	QB 	15 	304 	445 	68.3 	4454 	10.0 	11.5 	42 	4 	181.7

Rushing

Year 	School 	Conf 	Class 	Pos 	G 	Att 	Yds 	Avg 	TD 	Rec 	Yds 	Avg 	TD 	Plays 	Yds 	Avg 	TD1983 	BYU 	WAC 	JR	QB 	11 	102 	444 	4.4 	8 					102 	444 	4.4 	82014 	Oregon 	Pac-12 	JR 	QB 	15 	135 	770 	5.7 	15 	1 	26 	26.0 	1 	136 	796 	5.9 	16

 

[FUBAR]

To the people who say Mariota can't transition from a spread offense:

Passing

Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate1983 BYU WAC JR QB 11 306 429 71.3 3902 9.1 9.6 33 10 168.52014 Oregon Pac-12 JR QB 15 304 445 68.3 4454 10.0 11.5 42 4 181.7Rushing

Year 	School 	Conf 	Class 	Pos 	G 	Att 	Yds 	Avg 	TD 	Rec 	Yds 	Avg 	TD 	Plays 	Yds 	Avg 	TD1983 	BYU 	WAC 	JR	QB 	11 	102 	444 	4.4 	8 					102 	444 	4.4 	82014 	Oregon 	Pac-12 	JR 	QB 	15 	135 	770 	5.7 	15 	1 	26 	26.0 	1 	136 	796 	5.9 	16

cool, so MM will get almost a decade to prove himself?

 

[cstu]

To the people who say Mariota can't transition from a spread offense:

Passing

Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate1983 BYU WAC JR QB 11 306 429 71.3 3902 9.1 9.6 33 10 168.52014 Oregon Pac-12 JR QB 15 304 445 68.3 4454 10.0 11.5 42 4 181.7Rushing

Year 	School 	Conf 	Class 	Pos 	G 	Att 	Yds 	Avg 	TD 	Rec 	Yds 	Avg 	TD 	Plays 	Yds 	Avg 	TD1983 	BYU 	WAC 	JR	QB 	11 	102 	444 	4.4 	8 					102 	444 	4.4 	82014 	Oregon 	Pac-12 	JR 	QB 	15 	135 	770 	5.7 	15 	1 	26 	26.0 	1 	136 	796 	5.9 	16

cool, so MM will get almost a decade to prove himself?

There's a very good chance he'll be considered a bust by the time he actually develops, ala Alex Smith.

 

[Tool]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/04/08/mayock-moves-mariota-ahead-of-winston/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs

Mayock moves mariotta ahead of winston

 

[massraider]

To the people who say Mariota can't transition from a spread offense:

Daniel Jeremiah has the take I agree with the most. The gist is: I have seen Mariota do what NFL quarterbacks are asked to do, I wish I had seen more of it.

There is a sense of unknown because of the offense, but Mariota isn't the first QB to come from an unconventional offense, and a lot of the naysayers are forgetting that. Cam Newton and Bradford both played in non-pro offenses.

 

[Bri]

To the people who say Mariota can't transition from a spread offense:

Daniel Jeremiah has the take I agree with the most. The gist is: I have seen Mariota do what NFL quarterbacks are asked to do, I wish I had seen more of it.

There is a sense of unknown because of the offense, but Mariota isn't the first QB to come from an unconventional offense, and a lot of the naysayers are forgetting that. Cam Newton and Bradford both played in non-pro offenses.

Bradford?

 

[amicsta]

To the people who say Mariota can't transition from a spread offense:

Daniel Jeremiah has the take I agree with the most. The gist is: I have seen Mariota do what NFL quarterbacks are asked to do, I wish I had seen more of it.

There is a sense of unknown because of the offense, but Mariota isn't the first QB to come from an unconventional offense, and a lot of the naysayers are forgetting that. Cam Newton and Bradford both played in non-pro offenses.

Bradford?

He ran the spread at Oklahoma

 

[Freelove]

Brees ran the spread. McNair's Cardell Jones offense was the furthest thing in the world from pro style.

Lots of successes...though, it might be said that the successes that came from less conventional offenses tended to need more time to successfully acclimate to the pro game. Would need a bigger list to really get a feel for it.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Bleacher Report's Jason Cole reports that "Marcus Mariota has gained more and more traction" in the Bears front office.
The cost would be large, but Chicago can presumably get this done if they're motivated enough to do so. If the Bears were to offer Tennessee local favorite (Vanderbilt) QB Jay Cutler and the No. 7 pick for No. 2, the Titans at the very least would need to have a long organizational discussion before countering. "Despite the idea that John Fox was brought in as head coach with the presumed idea that he was going to fix Jay Cutler so that the Bears could find out once and for all whether Cutler was the answer at quarterback, there are some people in the Bears organization -- and the Bears pick No. 7 overall -- who believe that Mariota might be the answer and that ultimately, trading Cutler may actually work out," Cole wrote. Cutler is under contract through 2020 with a mountain of guaranteed money, but that's more of Tennessee's problem if a deal is made, as Chicago would save $12.5 million in cap space by trading him, according to Over The Cap. Stay tuned.

Source: Bleacher Report
Apr 8 - 12:33 PM

 

[Faust]

Mayock explains why he ranks Mariota ahead of Winston