QB Marcus Mariota, WAS (4 Viewers)

[Bri]

To the people who say Mariota can't transition from a spread offense:

Daniel Jeremiah has the take I agree with the most. The gist is: I have seen Mariota do what NFL quarterbacks are asked to do, I wish I had seen more of it.

There is a sense of unknown because of the offense, but Mariota isn't the first QB to come from an unconventional offense, and a lot of the naysayers are forgetting that. Cam Newton and Bradford both played in non-pro offenses.

Bradford?

He ran the spread at Oklahoma

How is the O he ran at OU "the spread" and a non-pro offense? Please keep in mind some NFL teams utilize a spread offense at times

 

[amicsta]

To the people who say Mariota can't transition from a spread offense:

Daniel Jeremiah has the take I agree with the most. The gist is: I have seen Mariota do what NFL quarterbacks are asked to do, I wish I had seen more of it.

There is a sense of unknown because of the offense, but Mariota isn't the first QB to come from an unconventional offense, and a lot of the naysayers are forgetting that. Cam Newton and Bradford both played in non-pro offenses.

Bradford?

He ran the spread at Oklahoma

How is the O he ran at OU "the spread" and a non-pro offense? Please keep in mind some NFL teams utilize a spread offense at times

I didn't make the original comment, however the concern at the time was that Bradford was primarily a shotgun quarterback, not your classic "pro-style" QB a la Winston or Wilson.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Phil Simms doesn't see a top-ten talent.

"Marcus Mariota, and I'm not taking anything away from Oregon, he just hasn't been taught," Simms said. "You'd have to make alterations to your offense and really teach what he does. ... He doesn't have time to make up all the time he wasn't under center. And I don't see top-10 arm talent with Marcus Mariota."

Brian Baldinger obviously doesn't either since he has Mariota falling in latest mock he put out two days ago where he has him dropping all the way to the 20th pick of the first round.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/mock-drafts/brian-baldinger/245607

Mock draft 2.0: Eagles keep on DuckingBy Brian Baldinger |

Published: April 6, 2015 at 12:21 p.m.

Pick No. 20

Marcus Mariota QB Oregon
Whether it's here at pick No. 20 or through a trade, Mariota gets reunited with Chip Kelly and the Eagles keep on Ducking.

Another mock where Mariota falls to the 20th pick.

This one from the Sporting News.

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http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2015-04-06/nfl-mock-draft-2015-perform-media-winston-mariota-williams-fowler-white-beasley-Gregory

2015 NFL Mock Draft: Eagles dip into familiar well for Marcus Mariota

• Ron Clements
• April 6, 2015 11:04pm EDT

While Florida State quarterback Jameis Winston seems to be a lock to go first overall to the Buccaneers, the wild card is Oregon quarterback Marcus Mariota. He could go second overall or fall into the latter part of the first round, depending on team needs. He could also be the catalyst for a trade, none of which are mocked here, but definitely remains a possibility if a quarterback-hungry team attempts to move up.

The draft class is deep at several positions, most notably wide receiver, running back, defensive ends and outside linebackers.

... 20. Eagles: Mariota, QB, Oregon

Don’t be surprised if someone trades up to snag Mariota, but if he drops here, it’s a no-brainer for coach Chip Kelly to grab him. Mariota is comfortable with Kelly, who coached the 2014 Heisman winner in 2012.

 

[massraider]

Is that mock as worthless as any other mock? It is?

Copy that.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Marcus Mariota - QB - Player

Sources tell PFT the Browns are "truly interested" in moving up to get Oregon QB Marcus Mariota.

The Browns currently hold the No. 12 overall pick as well as No. 19 (via the Bills). If they add in next year's first-round pick, it could be difficult for a team with so many holes like the Titans at No. 2 overall to say no. Regardless of how real this rumor is, it reiterates that the Browns are aggressively trying to solve their annual quarterback issue and don't want to stand pat with a Josh McCown vs. Johnny Manziel camp battle.

Related: Browns, Titans, Josh McCown, Johnny Manziel

Source: ProFootballTalk on NBCSports.com

Apr 9 - 10:45 AM

 

[massraider]

I am still of the opinion that the Titans take Mariota for themselves #2, but can't flirt with him the way Tampa is with Winston for obvious reasons, in case something unforeseen happens. Similar to Jax last year, being so quiet on Bortles.

But if they are looking to trade down, CLE at #12 might be too far for them to go. Seems like the edge guys are going to go fast and furious, and Williams obviously.

If not #2, the Skins and their new GM would be open to getting a bunch of picks.

 

[massraider]

One unnamed NFL exec thinks Mariota could tumble:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000484456/article/nfl-executive-marcus-mariota-could-tumble-like-aaron-rodgers?campaign=Twitter_nfl_cfb

With uncertainty at the quarterback position, the New York Jets are believed to be among the NFL clubs with an interest in Oregon quarterback Marcus Mariota as a first-round draft pick. The Jets hold the No. 6 overall pick and have deployed evaluators for a private workout with him.

According to one NFL personnel man, the Jets' interest had better be high, for Mariota's sake.

"If [Mariota] doesn't go in the top six picks, he could do an Aaron Rodgers," the source told Yahoo Sports.

Rodgers, of course, tumbled in the 2005NFL Draft after many had projected him to be chosen in the top 10. Instead, he fell all the way to the Green Bay Packersat No. 24 overall. Alex Smith went No. 1 overall, but no quarterback was drafted thereafter until the Packers found Rodgers too talented to pass on. Though Green Bay had no need for a quarterback at the time with future Hall of Famer Brett Favre as a starter, the selection of Rodgers proved to be shrewd.

The implication is that if the Jets pass on Mariota at No. 6, it could be a long while before anyone else decides to invest a pick in a quarterback. So which teams might be interested if the Jets aren't?


The Cleveland Browns, Denver Broncos, and New Orleans Saints are the only three teams that have a need at the quarterback position and hold a first-round choice that comes after the Jets' pick. Cleveland and New Orleans have two first-round picks each, Cleveland's at Nos. 12 and 19, New Orleans' at Nos. 13 and 31. Denver picks at No. 28.

But in all three of those cases, the general managers have a compelling reason not to spend a first-round pick on a quarterback. Cleveland just did so a year ago with Johnny Manziel, and despite the off-field issues that have put an early cloud over his career, it would be highly unusual for a team to pick a first-round quarterback in back-to-back years. New Orleans and Denver, meanwhile, have star-quality veteran starters in Drew Brees and Peyton Manning. And though both are old enough that their teams might be wise to consider a 2005 Packers-like move in the first round, there are more pressing personnel needs for both.

The X-factor? The Philadelphia Eagles, of course.

"If he gets past the top six, it could be out of the top 10 to whatever point the Eagles trade up for him," the source added.

Chip to the rescue?

 

[cstu]

I am still of the opinion that the Titans take Mariota for themselves #2, but can't flirt with him the way Tampa is with Winston for obvious reasons, in case something unforeseen happens. Similar to Jax last year, being so quiet on Bortles.

But if they are looking to trade down, CLE at #12 might be too far for them to go. Seems like the edge guys are going to go fast and furious, and Williams obviously.

If not #2, the Skins and their new GM would be open to getting a bunch of picks.

Absolutely agree. Even if they truly do want Mariota they have to indicate that they want Leonard Williams.

 

[massraider]

I am still of the opinion that the Titans take Mariota for themselves #2, but can't flirt with him the way Tampa is with Winston for obvious reasons, in case something unforeseen happens. Similar to Jax last year, being so quiet on Bortles.

But if they are looking to trade down, CLE at #12 might be too far for them to go. Seems like the edge guys are going to go fast and furious, and Williams obviously.

If not #2, the Skins and their new GM would be open to getting a bunch of picks.

Absolutely agree. Even if they truly do want Mariota they have to indicate that they want Leonard Williams.

The other thing I keep thinking about: Drafting Mariota has to give Whisenhunt a little job security. Or at least, he could expect a mulligan if the kid looks good under Whis, even if they aren't winning games. Leo Williams ain't saving Whisenhunt's job, but Mariota could.

I mean, you hope that doesn't enter into the thinking, but Whis has to be thinking about it. Doubt he's getting a 3rd HC job.

 

[cstu]

I am still of the opinion that the Titans take Mariota for themselves #2, but can't flirt with him the way Tampa is with Winston for obvious reasons, in case something unforeseen happens. Similar to Jax last year, being so quiet on Bortles.

But if they are looking to trade down, CLE at #12 might be too far for them to go. Seems like the edge guys are going to go fast and furious, and Williams obviously.

If not #2, the Skins and their new GM would be open to getting a bunch of picks.

Absolutely agree. Even if they truly do want Mariota they have to indicate that they want Leonard Williams.

The other thing I keep thinking about: Drafting Mariota has to give Whisenhunt a little job security. Or at least, he could expect a mulligan if the kid looks good under Whis, even if they aren't winning games. Leo Williams ain't saving Whisenhunt's job, but Mariota could.

I mean, you hope that doesn't enter into the thinking, but Whis has to be thinking about it. Doubt he's getting a 3rd HC job.

In the 17 times a QB has been drafted #2-5 since 1980, only two head coaches have been fired after the QB's rookie year - Mornhinweg (Harrington) and Gilbride (Leaf). That includes a lot of busts - Sanchez, Vince Young, Akili Smith, Kerry Collins, Shuler, Mirer, Schlicher.

Mornhinweg went 3-13 with Harrington so it was understandable he got fired and Gilbride was fired 3 weeks after Leaf screamed at a reporter.

Didn't run the numbers when teams drafted a non-QB #2-5 but drafting a QB seems a good way for a HC to keep his job.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

CBS Sports' Dane Brugler notes that he would not be surprised if the Browns trade up for Oregon QB Marcus Mariota.
"The least surprising move on draft day In my opinion? If the Browns trade up for QB Marcus Mariota. Priority No. 1 for the franchise is finding a QB," Brugler tweeted. Mariota admitted back in February, that he'd love to be reunited with his old quarterback coach, Kevin O'Connell, who worked with him in anticipation of the combine. O'Connell, who is now the quarterback's coach for the Cleveland Browns, was also Johnny Manziels' pre-draft tutor as well.

Source: Dane Brugler on Twitter
Apr 9 - 5:16 PM

 

[Faust]

Marcus Mariota keys: Five things you must understand about QB

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/0ap3000000484451/article/marcus-mariota-keys-five-things-you-must-understand-about-qb

 

[massraider]

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/165874/marcus-mariota-moving-up-in-mocks

Mayock moves him to #1, and McShay and Kiper both put him at #2 in their mocks.

 

[cstu]

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/165874/marcus-mariota-moving-up-in-mocks

Mayock moves him to #1, and McShay and Kiper both put him at #2 in their mocks.

Kiper "If he (Winston) doesn't go #1, he could drop maybe even a little farther than Mariota would."

 

[cstu]

The Rivers trade would not surprise me because this is similar to what happened with Carson Palmer. He wanted out of Cincy, just as Rivers is indicating he wants out of SD. The Bengals then used the #35 pick on Dalton.

The difference here is that the Chargers will have to give up more than just Rivers.

 

[Faust]

Oregon's Marcus Mariota brought in to meet Chicago Bears

 

[LAUNCH]

Just watched him on Grudens camp. Mariota has the personality of a door stop. It was just painful to watch.

 

[Bri]

Rotoworld:

CBS Sports' Dane Brugler notes that he would not be surprised if the Browns trade up for Oregon QB Marcus Mariota.
"The least surprising move on draft day In my opinion? If the Browns trade up for QB Marcus Mariota. Priority No. 1 for the franchise is finding a QB," Brugler tweeted. Mariota admitted back in February, that he'd love to be reunited with his old quarterback coach, Kevin O'Connell, who worked with him in anticipation of the combine. O'Connell, who is now the quarterback's coach for the Cleveland Browns, was also Johnny Manziels' pre-draft tutor as well.

Source: Dane Brugler on Twitter
Apr 9 - 5:16 PM

If Mariotta busts, O'Connell's career is over then

 

[cstu]

"He's got adjustments to make but he'll make them and be a player in the league, you watch." Gruden on Gruden QB Camp.

Another Gruden quote:

"“Mariota is special in a lot of ways. He’s a dynamic dual-threat on the field and he is humble, no-nonsense and full of character off the field. A 4.52 is what he ran (at the Combine). He competes like crazy. I just think he has a lot of ‘can’t miss’ qualities.”

 

[amnesiac]

Just watched him on Grudens camp. Mariota has the personality of a door stop. It was just painful to watch.

i agree and can see how that will rub a lot of people the wrong way. but i think the guy is just extremely humble.

the more i look at him, he's the player Manziel wishes he could be.

 

[Freelove]

"He's got adjustments to make but he'll make them and be a player in the league, you watch." Gruden on Gruden QB Camp.

Another Gruden quote:

"Mariota is special in a lot of ways. Hes a dynamic dual-threat on the field and he is humble, no-nonsense and full of character off the field. A 4.52 is what he ran (at the Combine). He competes like crazy. I just think he has a lot of cant miss qualities.

I feel like he lacks that fire personality-wise that's going to get a team to rally around him, which isn't exactly a deal-breaker, but probably limits his upside somewhat.But he's obviously a bright kid, an excellent decision maker, and able to play super-carefully without compromising his own team's aggressiveness -- which is a difficult tightrope to walk, even at the college level.

I don't think he'll ever emerge as a true franchise guy, but his combination of positive attributes give him such a high floor that he ought to be a super-safe pick almost anywhere. It's really hard to imagine him falling on his face, even if he has to settle in as a middle-of-the-pack game manager sort, with some nice athleticism to give him a little productivity boost.

 

[cstu]

"He's got adjustments to make but he'll make them and be a player in the league, you watch." Gruden on Gruden QB Camp.

Another Gruden quote:

"Mariota is special in a lot of ways. Hes a dynamic dual-threat on the field and he is humble, no-nonsense and full of character off the field. A 4.52 is what he ran (at the Combine). He competes like crazy. I just think he has a lot of cant miss qualities.

I feel like he lacks that fire personality-wise that's going to get a team to rally around him, which isn't exactly a deal-breaker, but probably limits his upside somewhat.But he's obviously a bright kid, an excellent decision maker, and able to play super-carefully without compromising his own team's aggressiveness -- which is a difficult tightrope to walk, even at the college level.

I don't think he'll ever emerge as a true franchise guy, but his combination of positive attributes give him such a high floor that he ought to be a super-safe pick almost anywhere. It's really hard to imagine him falling on his face, even if he has to settle in as a middle-of-the-pack game manager sort, with some nice athleticism to give him a little productivity boost.

If Joe Montana was coming out today everyone would be saying he's too quiet, reserved, and shy to be a leader.

Leadership for a QB is the team seeing the work ethic and knowing what you're doing and earning the team's trust that you can get the job done. Do that and it doesn't matter if your style is reserved or fiery, the team will trust you.

Eli Manning had the exact same problem as Mariota and it took him a couple of years to feel confident enough to act like a leader.

 

[cstu]

Just watched him on Grudens camp. Mariota has the personality of a door stop. It was just painful to watch.

i agree and can see how that will rub a lot of people the wrong way.but i think the guy is just extremely humble.

the more i look at him, he's the player Manziel wishes he could be.

Right.

You can't look at Mariota without the context of his Samoan culture.

This a quote from former 49ers Jesse Sopolu:

Being of Samoan ancestry and raised in Hawaii, I feel very blessed and honored to be part of two proud cultures. The two cultures are similar in that RESPECT and HUMILITY are of utmost importance. It is a high priority to represent yourself, your family, and your people with humility which in return earns you respect. I understood early with both cultures that it doesn't matter what your accomplishments might be, if you’re not humble, accomplishments mean absolutely nothing to them.

 

[Dawg Pound 69]

"He's got adjustments to make but he'll make them and be a player in the league, you watch." Gruden on Gruden QB Camp.

Another Gruden quote:

"“Mariota is special in a lot of ways. He’s a dynamic dual-threat on the field and he is humble, no-nonsense and full of character off the field. A 4.52 is what he ran (at the Combine). He competes like crazy. I just think he has a lot of ‘can’t miss’ qualities.”

Gruden is overly positive on his pre-draft shows. Even moreso than on his MNF broadcasts. So to use his quotes to support your opinion of a rookie is a waste of time.

 

[amnesiac]

"He's got adjustments to make but he'll make them and be a player in the league, you watch." Gruden on Gruden QB Camp.

Another Gruden quote:

"Mariota is special in a lot of ways. Hes a dynamic dual-threat on the field and he is humble, no-nonsense and full of character off the field. A 4.52 is what he ran (at the Combine). He competes like crazy. I just think he has a lot of cant miss qualities.

Gruden is overly positive on his pre-draft shows. Even moreso than on his MNF broadcasts. So to use his quotes to support your opinion of a rookie is a waste of time.

i believe the old quote was "Gruden never met a quarterback he didn't like."

he definitely accentuates the positives to put it mildly.

 

[amnesiac]

Just watched him on Grudens camp. Mariota has the personality of a door stop. It was just painful to watch.

i agree and can see how that will rub a lot of people the wrong way.but i think the guy is just extremely humble.

the more i look at him, he's the player Manziel wishes he could be.

Right.

You can't look at Mariota without the context of his Samoan culture.

This a quote from former 49ers Jesse Sopolu:

Being of Samoan ancestry and raised in Hawaii, I feel very blessed and honored to be part of two proud cultures. The two cultures are similar in that RESPECT and HUMILITY are of utmost importance. It is a high priority to represent yourself, your family, and your people with humility which in return earns you respect. I understood early with both cultures that it doesn't matter what your accomplishments might be, if youre not humble, accomplishments mean absolutely nothing to them.

i watched the Mariucci interview. he was essentially asked twice if he felt he was better than Winston and refused to give an answer. you could tell the question made him uncomfortable.

 

[Bri]

"He's got adjustments to make but he'll make them and be a player in the league, you watch." Gruden on Gruden QB Camp.

Another Gruden quote:

"“Mariota is special in a lot of ways. He’s a dynamic dual-threat on the field and he is humble, no-nonsense and full of character off the field. A 4.52 is what he ran (at the Combine). He competes like crazy. I just think he has a lot of ‘can’t miss’ qualities.”

Gruden is overly positive on his pre-draft shows. Even moreso than on his MNF broadcasts. So to use his quotes to support your opinion of a rookie is a waste of time.

Why do you think teams play the games and don't just hand MVPs and player of the years out on draft day?

 

[massraider]

Well, here's one guy that thinks the Titans are for sure not taking Mariota:

http://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/columnist/david-climer/2015/04/11/tennessee-titans-zach-mettenberger-quarterback/25629911/

Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota are out there in the draft.

Philip Rivers and Jay Cutler are being discussed as possible trade bait for the No. 2 overall pick.

Who, then, will be the Tennessee Titans’ starting quarterback when the regular season opens in September?

Zach Mettenberger, of course.

Look, I’m not telling you this is what should happen. I’m just telling you what will happen.

This is how the Titans roll. They’ve got a plan and they’re sticking to it.

Again.

Coach Ken Whisenhunt identified Mettenberger as an undervalued asset last spring. General manager Ruston Webster pulled the trigger and drafted him in the sixth round.

In short, Whisenhunt and Webster think they pulled the steal of the 2014 draft. Titans brass see Mettenberger as a poor team’s Tom Brady. He’s the quarterback.

Personally, I think it’s a mistake. Nothing against Mettenberger. He’s an interesting prospect who now seems to grasp the commitment required to remain gainfully employed in the NFL.

Even so, I just don’t get the unbridled optimism or the sense that he is ready to be handed the keys to an NFL team. He’s got a big arm, yes, but he has done nothing to show he can stay healthy and grow into a franchise quarterback.

Still, Titans leadership believes in him. And these guys are never wrong, at least in their own minds. You don’t play your way into the No. 2 pick in the draft by admitting your mistakes.

The other quarterback options are just that: options. And the Titans aren’t inclined to exercise those options.

For all their posturing, which includes hanging out at Mariota’s pro day and bringing Winston to the facility this week, I’m just not buying that the Titans will draft a quarterback at No. 2.

Maybe that’s not such a bad thing. Considering what happened the past two times they spent a high first-round pick on a quarterback — Vince Young in 2007 and Jake Locker in 2011 — they can’t afford another fumble.

Likewise, I can’t see them brokering a deal for the second pick that brings a proven, veteran quarterback to town. Of the two who might be available, I’d jump at the opportunity to work a deal for Rivers. Cutler? No way. The guy is toxic in the huddle.

Who knows? Maybe the Titans will surprise us all. The powers-that-be might recognize how desperate the situation is and call a Hail Mary.

We can hope, can’t we?

This is a big draft for those making the picks. Screw it up and there might be a new coach and a new general manager in charge of the 2016 draft.

This will be the fourth draft on Webster’s watch as general manager. The previous three have been underwhelming. And I’m being kind.

The 2012 draft is particularly concerning. First-rounder Chance Warmack has been a starter since Day 1, but he hasn’t developed into the kind of dominant offensive guard you expect when you spend the No. 10 overall pick on an interior offensive lineman.

The Titans also traded up to get Justin Hunter in the second round that year, but he has been far from a go-to wide receiver.

Meanwhile, nobody has yet been able to explain what the Titans saw in running back Bishop Sankey, their second-round pick last year.

The best thing Webster has going for him is that he’s made some nice pickups in the later rounds in the last couple of drafts — defensive back Daimion Stafford in the seventh round in 2013 and linebacker Avery Williamson and Mettenberger in the fifth and sixth rounds, respectively, last year.

Getting contributors late in the draft is important. But the way the NFL is played these days, you have to get bang for your buck at the top of the draft. And that’s where the Titans have fumbled. The lack of star power on this team is a direct reflection of what has happened in the first round of the draft.

It’s been seven years since the Titans picked off Chris Johnson in the first round. Otherwise, there have been too many misses, not enough hits.

Contrast this with the drafts from 1995 to 2000. The first rounds of those drafts produced players like Steve McNair, Eddie George, Jevon Kearse and Keith Bulluck.

Those were the good old days. These days? Not so good.

David Climer’s columns appear on Sunday, Monday, Wednesday and Friday. Reach him at 615-259-8020 and on Twitter @DavidClimer.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

ESPN's Ron Jaworski is hearing from his sources around the league that Oregon QB Marcus Mariota will go No. 1 to the Bucs.
Jaws is not a reporter and has no history of breaking news. He also made the comments on a local Philadelphia sports show, not nationally on ESPN. Still, it's a reminder that we wouldn't completely rule out the Bucs pulling a surprise and taking Mariota over Jameis Winston. The Glazer family has the final say on the pick and they reportedly are taking community relations into account.

Related: Buccaneers

Source: CSN Philadelphia
Apr 13 - 9:41 AM

 

[massraider]

That would be awesome

 

[Grahamburn]

I'm freaking out, man...

 

[Faust]

Kelly and Mariota: an alternative theory

 

[Faust]

Rival college coach: No doubt Marcus Mariota will be elite in NFL

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

The Chargers are conducting a private workout in Eugene with Oregon QB Marcus Mariota Tuesday.

Perhaps HC Mike McCoy, OC Rich Reich, QBs coach Nick Sirianni and a bunch of front office members are just doing their due diligence. Or maybe the trade rumors flying around Philip Rivers and the Chargers have some legs. The narrative states that Rivers doesn't want to move to Los Angeles and the Titans, holding the No. 2 overall pick, want a proven veteran to stabilize their quarterback situation. "Many close to the situation believe the Chargers head to Oregon while considering the notion of a draft-day trade," says the Union-Tribune San Diego. Any potential deal hinges on Mariota falling to No. 2, as San Diego is reportedly not interested in Florida State QB Jameis Winston.

Related: Chargers, Philip Rivers, Jameis Winston

Source: Union-Tribune San Diego
Apr 14 - 8:34 AM

 

[beef]

i like mariota because he seems like a very humble person. but i'm starting to wonder if he really just doesn't care. i don't see much fight in him, and at qb i want a fighter.

 

[Insein]

i like mariota because he seems like a very humble person. but i'm starting to wonder if he really just doesn't care. i don't see much fight in him, and at qb i want a fighter.

 

[beef]

i like mariota because he seems like a very humble person. but i'm starting to wonder if he really just doesn't care. i don't see much fight in him, and at qb i want a fighter.

about??? i was commenting about an interview i saw of him and he just seemed a little too laid back with some 'meh, i don't care' kind of answers. i like qbs that talk competitively as well.

 

[massraider]

i like mariota because he seems like a very humble person. but i'm starting to wonder if he really just doesn't care. i don't see much fight in him, and at qb i want a fighter.

about??? i was commenting about an interview i saw of him and he just seemed a little too laid back with some 'meh, i don't care' kind of answers. i like qbs that talk competitively as well.

Plenty of fired-up QBs that suck.

I don't think desire and work ethic will ever be concerns with him. Joe Montana never gave a good interview in his entire boring life.

If Mariota can throw the rock, that stuff won't matter.

\

 

[cstu]

i like mariota because he seems like a very humble person. but i'm starting to wonder if he really just doesn't care. i don't see much fight in him, and at qb i want a fighter.

about??? i was commenting about an interview i saw of him and he just seemed a little too laid back with some 'meh, i don't care' kind of answers. i like qbs that talk competitively as well.

Go back and watch pre-draft interviews with Peyton Manning, Brady, and Brees.

 

[cstu]

Marcus Mariota, who reportedly scored a 33. That's that same score Tom Brady tested at in 2001 and just two points lower than Aaron Rodgers, who scored a 35.

 

[Freelove]

Wonderlics stopped meaning anything years ago, once people realized that their main value in determining intelligence was in springing it on testees unprepared.

An insider knowledge of the test's fundamental question types and a week or two of private coaching and practice, and scores go up 100% or more. It only took a handful of prospects scoring a 9, then retaking it and "correcting" their score to 25 or whatever, for that particular testing game to become completely broken. There's no way of knowing who paid to get coached in advance and who didn't, so it's only good for internet fun at this point.

Facility with logic and ability to use language well are far better indicators of intelligence. And happily, all you have to do is watch a few interviews to know who's got something on the ball, and who doesn't.

 

[ldizzle]

Wonderlics stopped meaning anything years ago, once people realized that their main value in determining intelligence was in springing it on testees unprepared.

An insider knowledge of the test's fundamental question types and a week or two of private coaching and practice, and scores go up 100% or more. It only took a handful of prospects scoring a 9, then retaking it and "correcting" their score to 25 or whatever, for that particular testing game to become completely broken. There's no way of knowing who paid to get coached in advance and who didn't, so it's only good for internet fun at this point.

Facility with logic and ability to use language well are far better indicators of intelligence. And happily, all you have to do is watch a few interviews to know who's got something on the ball, and who doesn't.

i don't know. I'd be very cautious with a Vince young type of wonderlic. If it's below 10 it might be cause for concern

 

[Bob Magaw]

Not sure if this has been posted.

Sport Science - Winston vs. Mariota

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7kHOkrWxLY

Winston = Roethlisberger

Mariota = Manziel

* Mariota has 68% completion percentage, but much of that was on first read completions. The above stated when forced to move past his first read in the progression, his accuracy went down 25% (in part from failing to reset his feet before passing, if forced to move in or from the pocket).

 

[amicsta]

Not sure if this has been posted.

Sport Science - Winston vs. Mariota

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7kHOkrWxLY

Winston = Roethlisberger

Mariota = Manziel

* Mariota has 68% completion percentage, but much of that was on first read completions. The above stated when forced to move past his first read in the progression, his accuracy went down 25% (in part from failing to reset his feet before passing, if forced to move in or from the pocket).

If we're talking about Manziel the talent and not Manziel the person, this still bodes really well for Mariota's fantasy value. Mariota by all accounts has a work ethic greatly exceeding that of Johnny with respect to practice, the film room, etc. Talent wise, Manziel was poised to be a viable fantasy player, but was undone by not being focused. Mariota, to me, still has QB1 type skills with this comp.

 

[Shutout]

I think Mariota is going to be a Matthew Stafford type fantasy presence. I'm not saying they are similar players, just saying I get the vibe that you have this kind of talent and attitude that are similar and I can see the scenario where he probably goes to a team like Stafford did (not good, emphasizes getting him good weapons), probably takes a few years where he is up and down as they try things. Hopefully won't be hurt like Stafford was early. But at the end of the day, you get this Fantasy guy who is really, really good but probably not the elite group.

 

[cstu]

Not sure if this has been posted.

Sport Science - Winston vs. Mariota

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7kHOkrWxLY

Winston = Roethlisberger

Mariota = Manziel

* Mariota has 68% completion percentage, but much of that was on first read completions. The above stated when forced to move past his first read in the progression, his accuracy went down 25% (in part from failing to reset his feet before passing, if forced to move in or from the pocket).

If we're talking about Manziel the talent and not Manziel the person, this still bodes really well for Mariota's fantasy value. Mariota by all accounts has a work ethic greatly exceeding that of Johnny with respect to practice, the film room, etc. Talent wise, Manziel was poised to be a viable fantasy player, but was undone by not being focused. Mariota, to me, still has QB1 type skills with this comp.

A non-drug addict Manziel who is 6-4, 222 sounds good to me.

 

[massraider]

Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer 3h3 hours ago
A Rams contingent of Jeff Fisher, Les Snead, Kevin Demoff, Frank Cignetti & Chris Weinke will be in Eugene today to work out Marcus Mariota.

This is still my dark horse for Mariota.

Bleacher Report just put something out there about teh SD deal seeming more "likely", and cited SD's concern with Rivers' long term health.

 

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Quite a bit of smoke smoldering all of a sudden about mariota becoming a charger and Phillips rivers being traded to Tennessee.

Boy, wouldn't that change the landscape of things?

 

[amicsta]

Quite a bit of smoke smoldering all of a sudden about mariota becoming a charger and Phillips rivers being traded to Tennessee.

Boy, wouldn't that change the landscape of things?

I'd definitely be pretty mad I traded Justin Hunter in dynasty haha

 

[Faust]

Oregon's Scott Frost tired of 'dumb' Marcus Mariota questions:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000485680/article/oregons-scott-frost-tired-of-dumb-marcus-mariota-questions