QB Marcus Mariota, WAS (2 Viewers)

[Landru]

Because he is pretty terrible?

It's amazing how the Winston/Mariota debate has whipsawed.

It's interesting how quiet this thread has gotten considering Mariota is looking every bit the franchise QB the Titans thought they were getting. He may not be a fantasy stud until he gets better receivers and the opportunity to throw more, but he's looking like dynasty gold.

 

[Faust]

When Marcus Mariota clicks, the Titans can be potent

 

[bolldpt]

He is top 7 in my league scoring system

 

[kyoun1e]

Who is rolling him out there this week?

A couple weeks ago I was thinking this was a sweet matchup, but now, it's clear to me that the SD D is underrated big time and Bosa is an animal.

A long trip traveling west and a dinged up D. Walker doesn't help.

I only have streamers as options. Not feeling terribly confident. 

 

[Faust]

McCoy: Mariota's the guy you want leading your team

 

[FUBAR]

Who is rolling him out there this week?

A couple weeks ago I was thinking this was a sweet matchup, but now, it's clear to me that the SD D is underrated big time and Bosa is an animal.

Tempted, but rolling with Cam in LA.  MM should have a good week. 

 

[cstu]

The past 4 weeks:

Rk 		        Age Year 	Lg 	Tm 	G 	W 	L 	T 	Cmp 	Att 	Cmp% 	Yds 	TD 	Int 	Rate 	Sk 	Yds 	Y/A 	AY/A 	Att 	Yds YPA     TD
1	Tom Brady	39	2016	NFL	NWE	4	4	0	0	98	134	73.13	1319	12	0	133.9	8	43	9.84	11.63	10	44	4.40	0
2	M Mariota	22	2016	NFL	OTI	4	3	1	0	77	112	68.75	949	10	1	120.7	5	39	8.47	9.86	19	149	7.84	1
3	M Stafford	28	2016	NFL	DET	4	3	1	0	87	126	69.05	956	9	0	115.0	9	46	7.59	9.02	13	62	4.77	0
4	Drew Brees	37	2016	NFL	NOR	3	2	1	0	98	132	74.24	1097	8	2	112.5	4	26	8.31	8.84	1	1	1.00	1
5	Alex Smith	32	2016	NFL	KAN	3	3	0	0	45	65	69.23	565	3	0	111.4	2	1	8.69	9.62	9	15	1.67	0
6	C Kessler	23	2016	NFL	CLE	3	0	3	0	40	60	66.67	480	3	0	107.6	6	36	8.00	9.00	3	1	0.33	0
7	Matt Ryan	31	2016	NFL	ATL	4	2	2	0	92	139	66.19	1163	8	2	105.3	11	70	8.37	8.87	9	22	2.44	0
8	Andy Dalton	28	2016	NFL	CIN	4	1	2	1	96	142	67.61	1115	6	1	102.3	12	78	7.85	8.38	12	72	6.00	2
9	Andrew Luck	27	2016	NFL	CLT	4	2	2	0	95	145	65.52	1137	8	2	102.0	16	95	7.84	8.32	26	143	5.50	1
10	D Prescott	23	2016	NFL	DAL	3	3	0	0	55	90	61.11	761	6	2	101.2	5	33	8.46	8.79	15	48	3.20	2

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

how do people view Mariota - sell high for owners, buy low for non-owners? Or Not?

Love watching him play with the nixed run/pass game but looking at his game log he has been feasting on some fairly mediocre opposition. IMO, on first glance anyway. Anyone see him as a player to acquire for the stretch?

 

[Faust]

Ask 5: Which QB from past two NFL drafts do you prefer?
 

 

[LOCO]

If I am building a franchise he may be my number 1 pick at qb spot.  His first 22 starts are better than Andrew luck

 

[zftcg]

What are redraft owners doing with him after Week 12? He has a bye followed by Den/@KC, then gets a break with Jax in Week 16 (though if your league plays through Week 17, he has another tough match-up with Houston). 

I specifically got him to tide me through to Jameis' playoff schedule, so I don't feel any pressure to start him those weeks, but at the point where he seemed like a decent-but-not-great QB option, I just assumed I'd drop him at that point. Now, I would worry about giving any other team the chance to use him against me, even if only for one week. So I'll probably just park him on my bench for Weeks 13-15, then evaluate my options if I make it to the championship.

 

[FF Nerd]

What are redraft owners doing with him after Week 12? He has a bye followed by Den/@KC, then gets a break with Jax in Week 16 (though if your league plays through Week 17, he has another tough match-up with Houston). 

I specifically got him to tide me through to Jameis' playoff schedule, so I don't feel any pressure to start him those weeks, but at the point where he seemed like a decent-but-not-great QB option, I just assumed I'd drop him at that point. Now, I would worry about giving any other team the chance to use him against me, even if only for one week. So I'll probably just park him on my bench for Weeks 13-15, then evaluate my options if I make it to the championship.

I've been riding Mariota for weeks, but grabbed Tyrod for the playoffs...

 

[zftcg]

I've been riding Mariota for weeks, but grabbed Tyrod for the playoffs...

I guess the question I was getting at was, if you needed the roster spot for a handcuff/hot FA pickup, would you consider dropping him? I feel like if he keeps playing the way he has been, it's too dangerous to risk anyone else playing him against you.

 

[zoonation]

I can't believe this guy isn't getting more run.  I bet it is because he is Hawaiian.  Everyone is jealous of Hawaiians. 

 

[RenegadeRoy]

In redraft, is Marcus droppable?

ROS he goes up against DEN, KC, JAX. KC isn't bad but DEN and JAX aren't great.

 

[fred_1_15301]

In redraft, is Marcus droppable?

ROS he goes up against DEN, KC, JAX. KC isn't bad but DEN and JAX aren't great.

In my league he's # 4 in total pts for QBs.  I know these may be tough matchups but the guy is a fantasy stud this year.  Maybe bench him against Denver if you have a great backup option but that's about it.  

 

[menobrown]

In redraft, is Marcus droppable?

ROS he goes up against DEN, KC, JAX. KC isn't bad but DEN and JAX aren't great.

Yes I think he is worth examining as a drop, relative to your league and options even though I think he's playing great

For weeks now I've been debating cutting him before are after week 12, depending on if I used him that week due mainly to bye and Denver.

This is a high stakes type league where waivers end this week and I got to manage a 20 man roster for weeks 14-16 so roster space is premium. I decided to hold him mainly due to lack of FA QB options and fact my main QB I plan to use the next few weeks is Dak and I fear they might have nothing to play for in week 16, if not 15. So was going to cut Mariotta and go with Dak/Romo but will now likely chop Romo. But to our point if you are thin on roster space he's down to two fantasy games left this year I'd want to even entertain using him so yea I think it's a valid option.

 

[conlilnew]

I picked up Kap off waivers and have Winston on my bench as well. Would you say I'm safe dropping Marriota with those other two to choose from. Could really use a TE with Reed hurt.

 

[FUBAR]

If MM were dropped in any league I'm in, I'd grab him immediately.  You don't drop a top 5 qb. 

 

[zftcg]

What are redraft owners doing with him after Week 12? He has a bye followed by Den/@KC, then gets a break with Jax in Week 16 (though if your league plays through Week 17, he has another tough match-up with Houston). 

I specifically got him to tide me through to Jameis' playoff schedule, so I don't feel any pressure to start him those weeks, but at the point where he seemed like a decent-but-not-great QB option, I just assumed I'd drop him at that point. Now, I would worry about giving any other team the chance to use him against me, even if only for one week. So I'll probably just park him on my bench for Weeks 13-15, then evaluate my options if I make it to the championship.

Interesting how my perspective has changed in the past month. I sat him for Jameis last week (not that either of them did much) and I think it's a very close call for this week. I'm leaning Mariota because over the course of the season, he's been a better QB. Also, while KC is a scary match-up IRL, they're middle of the pack fantasy-wise (in my Yahoo league, 15th most FFPA to QBs). Other than Carr, Brock and Fitz, nearly every QB they've faced has had a decent game, and Ben, Brees, Cam and Siemian(!) all went off.

One thing that does scare me is that KC absolutely erases TEs, which takes away Mariota's best weapon (even worse, my opponent this week is starting RMatthews, though that won't factor into my decision).

Overall, though, I'm more willing to overlook Mariota crapping the bed last week in a brutal match-up than I am Jameis doing it in a positive one.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I know MM is not ranked top 10 this week but other than it being frigid I don't see anything that says he is awful this week. Overreaction perhaps to he stinker last week.

KC is about 20th overall vs QBs in FF terms or points.

KC will probably try to shut the run down and force,Mariota to take to the air. 

Mariota since he is ranked so l W this week might actually qualify as a sleeper since some folks are grabbing Waiver Wire guys ahead of a QB who finished top 10 and over a 6-8 week run was about the hottest QB in fantasy football.

Any thoughts out there? Anybody rolling with MM

 

[ZenMaster]

I know MM is not ranked top 10 this week but other than it being frigid I don't see anything that says he is awful this week. Overreaction perhaps to he stinker last week.

KC is about 20th overall vs QBs in FF terms or points.

KC will probably try to shut the run down and force,Mariota to take to the air. 

Mariota since he is ranked so l W this week might actually qualify as a sleeper since some folks are grabbing Waiver Wire guys ahead of a QB who finished top 10 and over a 6-8 week run was about the hottest QB in fantasy football.

Any thoughts out there? Anybody rolling with MM

I picked up Flacco off the wire to start this week over MM. KC can play good defense and they're motivated now that they have the #2 seed. That plus this being Mariota's coldest weather he's ever played in gave me enough concern to sit him this week. 

 

[SpruceGoose]

im playing him...but not happy about it. 

I would leave Flacco on the wire...its Flacco, and the weather is going to be bad in that game.  

 

[Markus P Dub]

I hate to bench Marcus but I have Trevor on the bench.  2 QB league with Jamis as my other.  BAH!  Hate the cold

 

[Faust]

Marcus Mariota suffers fractured fibula in Titans' loss

 

[Bri]

The way his leg looked, it's broken not fractured. Mularkey said fractured and later it was announced broken. Just for the nitpickers. Theoretically a break is better than a fracture for healing. I don't....some doc could probably explain.

Anywho, season is 9 months away and he is expected to be fine for 2017. The common time-table applied to him (and Derek Carr, curiously same injury same day) is 3 months in cast, rehab til 6 months, can practice after that. Surgery was called something placement (again let a doc chime in) about just making sure the bone is lined up right before the healing begins

 

[Bri]

I wonder about his running after this.

The Titans don't utilize it enough but, he's such a weapon when he runs.

Will he run often? Now is it not OK to want him to run more?

 

[Interseptopus]

I wonder about his running after this.

The Titans don't utilize it enough but, he's such a weapon when he runs.

Will he run often? Now is it not OK to want him to run more?

no he won't be very mobile after this. for the same reasons I commented in the Lockett thread. could be a career changer

 

[Bri]

Apparently, Mariota is a surfer and surfing people are interested in his injury.

I know nothing of surfing. Balance and strong legs I assume. I know of PT being done in pools n all, but nothing at all about surfing

 

[Bri]

no he won't be very mobile after this. for the same reasons I commented in the Lockett thread. could be a career changer

you seem awfully certain

 

[Don't Noonan]

no he won't be very mobile after this. for the same reasons I commented in the Lockett thread. could be a career changer

In my opinion a break is very good news compared to a ligament.  I believe he should be as mobile as he has been next year.

 

[jedimindtricks]

In my opinion a break is very good news compared to a ligament.  I believe he should be as mobile as he has been next year.

I agree

 

[AllVolUT]

The way his leg looked, it's broken not fractured. Mularkey said fractured and later it was announced broken. Just for the nitpickers. Theoretically a break is better than a fracture for healing. I don't....some doc could probably explain.

Anywho, season is 9 months away and he is expected to be fine for 2017. The common time-table applied to him (and Derek Carr, curiously same injury same day) is 3 months in cast, rehab til 6 months, can practice after that. Surgery was called something placement (again let a doc chime in) about just making sure the bone is lined up right before the healing begins

Not to nitpick Bri, but there is no difference in the terms 'broken' and 'fractured'. I'm assuming that, to some, broken implies a complete break while a fracture does not. This is not the case. Nearly always in the acute setting, adults suffer complete breaks. This is different in kids.

The degree is displacement (offset) between the bone fragments, amongst a large host of other factors, does however affect prognosis. Surgical management of a fibular fracture depends on the location of the fracture line, which is also correlated with additional injuries (concomitant tibia [shin bone] fracture, ligamentous tears, etc). In the general public, fibular fractures that require surgery are usually a little bit higher up from the ankle, are displaced, and are associated with ligamentous tears that make the ankle joint itself unstable. That being said, I can't attest to the management in athletes and don't fully know the prognoses because I have no experience in managing them. I help diagnose injuries, not treat them.

If anyone has been luckier than I have been in trying to find out more details of his injury, I might be able to provide more info on prognosis. Otherwise, the wide range of possibilities will keep us all guessing.

 

[Interseptopus]

you seem awfully certain

In my opinion a break is very good news compared to a ligament.  I believe he should be as mobile as he has been next year.

I agree

disagree

 ligament surgery results in immediate weight bearing. a broken bone results in a non weight bearing period of anywhere from 6-8 weeks. a good guideline is for every day you don't do anything it takes you about a week to get it back.

yes from a future injury standpoint a broken bone is excellent news, but from a conditioning and rehab stand point this is kind of a nightmare this late in the season when we are talking about next year

 

[FUBAR]

disagree

 ligament surgery results in immediate weight bearing. a broken bone results in a non weight bearing period of anywhere from 6-8 weeks. a good guideline is for every day you don't do anything it takes you about a week to get it back.

yes from a future injury standpoint a broken bone is excellent news, but from a conditioning and rehab stand point this is kind of a nightmare this late in the season when we are talking about next year

Doc, can you break down the bold a bit more?  Taken to one extreme that would mean athletes can never take a rest day. 

 

[mr roboto]

Doc, can you break down the bold a bit more?  Taken to one extreme that would mean athletes can never take a rest day. 

 Walking or standing for anything you do not just a work out. 

 I had meniscus surgery and was on crutches for six weeks.   My left leg is still considerably weaker than my right and I do a lot of strength training now including bilateral leg exercises but because I didn't aggressively rehab that left leg after surgery it impacted me 15 years later. 

 

[FUBAR]

 Walking or standing for anything you do not just a work out. 

 I had meniscus surgery and was on crutches for six weeks.   My left leg is still considerably weaker than my right and I do a lot of strength training now including bilateral leg exercises but because I didn't aggressively rehab that left leg after surgery it impacted me 15 years later. 

Right, my wife has a similar problem with her ACL.  I'll assume Marcus is more motivated and has better resources than we did.  

 

[mr roboto]

Right, my wife has a similar problem with her ACL.  I'll assume Marcus is more motivated and has better resources than we did.  

Of course  but any deficit that you must overcome causes you to spend time on that versus improvements in other areas in overall fitness. 

 Maybe he had an off-season goal of adding 10 pounds of muscle or improving his vertical leap or working on losening his shoulder complex to improve his throwing motion or any number of great goals that now might be compromised because he has to spend time having to rehab a single leg

 

[Interseptopus]

Doc, can you break down the bold a bit more?  Taken to one extreme that would mean athletes can never take a rest day. 

rest is different than immobilizing a limb and doing nothing with it. 

here's where I get that statement... if you were in a hospital bed and did nothing but lay there all day, the amount of atrophy of your muscles, cardiovascular system, and body in general... for every day it takes you a week to get that back. 

so, applying that to this scenario, the numbers don't translate 100% because Marcus isn't in a coma or a body cast. however, it's a good place to start as his lower leg will be completely immobilized until weight bearing in a boot can begin. the amount of tightness and weakness that will come with that is incredible. not to mention the amount of cardiovascular deconditioning that he will undoubtedly suffer. 

I wouldn't be surprised if he has a very mild antalgia (limp) of some sort in his running mechanics come training camp. you'd hope they'd work that out, but a trained eye might be able to see it. 

yes, he is more motivated than average joe. yes his job is to be in shape. yes, guys have come back in season after a broken fibula (see Randall Cobb... but he hasn't been the same player since to be honest). I'm just pointing out that the season starts in 9 months... and he'll be lucky to be running, cutting (at full speed) in half that time depending on how bad the break is. jumping, squatting/weight lifting is a completely different timeline... 

then when you factor it takes 4-6 weeks after starting a lifting/conditioning program to start to see changes at the muscular level (strength changes during those first 1-2 months are primarily neurological level)... then maybe you can see why I'm skeptical. 

I think eventually he will return to his original form in some way, but I would bet his scrambling ability will suffer at least next season. I really don't think this is a career ender in terms of he will be so bad he will go the route of RGIII, but it will change his career that's for sure. and next year will be a big questionmark. I hope they don't rush him back... if his strength isn't equal I'd be very concerned about a predisposition to an ACL or other ligamentous tear. that's the big risk of not fully strengthening after a bad injury like this... returning to full activity can run a huge risk of an ACL tear. 

 

[Bri]

Not to nitpick Bri, but there is no difference in the terms 'broken' and 'fractured'. I'm assuming that, to some, broken implies a complete break while a fracture does not. This is not the case. Nearly always in the acute setting, adults suffer complete breaks. This is different in kids.




 

Nitpick nitpick ha. I know what you mean. The thinking seems to be that a fracture is a crack and a break is in half.

Both their legs looked disfigured yet today Carr's is broken, but Mariota is either broken or fractured depending on the news site. 

Whatever docs I worked with almost never used the words broken or break. They almost always said fracture.

I have my own disconnect issue in what the public thinks, what it actually is, and what docs say.

Even if fracture=crack and break=half is wrong, the conversation usually shifts back to that. It always throws me.

If both legs are disfigured, aren't (the bone part not ligaments) Mariota's and Carr's injury the same? Carr could have torn this, Mariota tore that etc but...when a leg is at a 90 degree angle and shouldn't be, they are both broken, right?

 

[Interseptopus]

Nitpick nitpick ha. I know what you mean. The thinking seems to be that a fracture is a crack and a break is in half.

Both their legs looked disfigured yet today Carr's is broken, but Mariota is either broken or fractured depending on the news site. 

Whatever docs I worked with almost never used the words broken or break. They almost always said fracture.

I have my own disconnect issue in what the public thinks, what it actually is, and what docs say.

Even if fracture=crack and break=half is wrong, the conversation usually shifts back to that. It always throws me.

If both legs are disfigured, aren't (the bone part not ligaments) Mariota's and Carr's injury the same? Carr could have torn this, Mariota tore that etc but...when a leg is at a 90 degree angle and shouldn't be, they are both broken, right?

a break is a fracture. break is the layman's term. fracture is the medical term. so it depends how educated the writer was for the news site you're reading

 

[Bri]

a break is a fracture. break is the layman's term. fracture is the medical term. so it depends how educated the writer was for the news site you're reading

OK Thank you

 

[Interseptopus]

OK Thank you

common misconception because people often think of a "stress fracture" because that is usually a small fracture. but they're all in the same category. 

yes, a cracked bone or certain fractures aren't as bad as a fracture that results in limb deformation, because the later involves a large potential for soft tissue, vascular, and neural damage

 

[Bri]

Marcus doesn't lift weights when he's home. He believes the swimming strengthens all his body's muscles. He swims and surfs a ton. Rehabbing just a leg is going to be real odd for him.

I'm so curious how a boy that grew up on the beach and loves water will do his PT.

 

[Interseptopus]

Marcus doesn't lift weights when he's home. He believes the swimming strengthens all his body's muscles. He swims and surfs a ton. Rehabbing just a leg is going to be real odd for him.

I'm so curious how a boy that grew up on the beach and loves water will do his PT.

that's actually great for him. he will be able to walk in water way before on land. this includes underwater running. water pt is the best thing for him early on.

surfing is likely out of the question until 2018 

 

[fred_1_15301]

that's actually great for him. he will be able to walk in water way before on land. this includes underwater running. water pt is the best thing for him early on.

surfing is likely out of the question until 2018 

I gotta say I've read a lot of your posts in multiple threads.  At times, you come across a little arrogant but you're one of my favorite posters on this site for good, reliable information.  Keep up the good work.      

 

[Interseptopus]

I gotta say I've read a lot of your posts in multiple threads.  At times, you come across a little arrogant but you're one of my favorite posters on this site for good, reliable information.  Keep up the good work.      

I try not to be... but sometimes I get a little excited. been trying to tone it down lately. 

Lockett had surgery to fix his broken leg. Marcus having surgery? thay could change the outlook of his timeline

 

[Bri]

I try not to be... but sometimes I get a little excited. been trying to tone it down lately. 

Lockett had surgery to fix his broken leg. Marcus having surgery? thay could change the outlook of his timeline




 

The team announced Marcus would have surgery in a few days, then took that back, then put it up again.

He is definitely having surgery and a plate inserted to stabilize the bone.

http://www.titansonline.com/news/article-4/Marcus-Mariota’s-recovery-timetable-“4-5-months”/7b77231b-7a90-4da8-9d56-8e88df597487

This (44 seconds) sounds like the Raiders are too rushed with Carr, but what do I know. It's presented as "you're going to see two different timetables but..." so naturally I get that viewpoint from the lead-in but even still....Doc what do you think? Guessing from this info?

http://www.titansonline.com/video/videos/Garafolo-Mariota-Will-Need-4-5-Months-to-Recover/cc9c2d37-e0fd-4a0a-86ae-51691596196f

 

[Bri]

rest is different than immobilizing a limb and doing nothing with it. 

here's where I get that statement... if you were in a hospital bed and did nothing but lay there all day, the amount of atrophy of your muscles, cardiovascular system, and body in general... for every day it takes you a week to get that back. 

so, applying that to this scenario, the numbers don't translate 100% because Marcus isn't in a coma or a body cast. however, it's a good place to start as his lower leg will be completely immobilized until weight bearing in a boot can begin. the amount of tightness and weakness that will come with that is incredible. not to mention the amount of cardiovascular deconditioning that he will undoubtedly suffer. 

I wouldn't be surprised if he has a very mild antalgia (limp) of some sort in his running mechanics come training camp. you'd hope they'd work that out, but a trained eye might be able to see it. 

yes, he is more motivated than average joe. yes his job is to be in shape. yes, guys have come back in season after a broken fibula (see Randall Cobb... but he hasn't been the same player since to be honest). I'm just pointing out that the season starts in 9 months... and he'll be lucky to be running, cutting (at full speed) in half that time depending on how bad the break is. jumping, squatting/weight lifting is a completely different timeline... 

then when you factor it takes 4-6 weeks after starting a lifting/conditioning program to start to see changes at the muscular level (strength changes during those first 1-2 months are primarily neurological level)... then maybe you can see why I'm skeptical. 

I think eventually he will return to his original form in some way, but I would bet his scrambling ability will suffer at least next season. I really don't think this is a career ender in terms of he will be so bad he will go the route of RGIII, but it will change his career that's for sure. and next year will be a big questionmark. I hope they don't rush him back... if his strength isn't equal I'd be very concerned about a predisposition to an ACL or other ligamentous tear. that's the big risk of not fully strengthening after a bad injury like this... returning to full activity can run a huge risk of an ACL tear. 




 

Mariota was never all that explosive laterally. Faster than some QBs, but common for NFL. He doesn't even have the basketball player "killer" first step. What he had was Vick like ability to go right to fifth gear going straight ahead. Marcus is terrible at getting away in the pocket. He gets sacked plenty and isn't elusive. I can't even think of a single play where he broke free and chucked it like Steve Young or Elway. There is zero wiggle to his running style. He is just straight ahead instantly at top speed.

I often compared him to Curtis Martin because he never looked fast. He had such an effortless gate. However when you saw whom he was running past and the yard markers, umm yeah he was flying. I wonder about these types. They're odd. I don't know how they do it. I sure can't run fast without looking like I'm making an effort. Graceful? 

 

[FUBAR]

Mariota was never all that explosive laterally. Faster than some QBs, but common for NFL. He doesn't even have the basketball player "killer" first step. What he had was Vick like ability to go right to fifth gear going straight ahead. Marcus is terrible at getting away in the pocket. He gets sacked plenty and isn't elusive. I can't even think of a single play where he broke free and chucked it like Steve Young or Elway. There is zero wiggle to his running style. He is just straight ahead instantly at top speed.

I often compared him to Curtis Martin because he never looked fast. He had such an effortless gate. However when you saw whom he was running past and the yard markers, umm yeah he was flying. I wonder about these types. They're odd. I don't know how they do it. I sure can't run fast without looking like I'm making an effort. Graceful? 

Not to get all "granola" here but his surfing helps - strong core, efficient movement.  Makes things look easy.  Often I'd watch and want him to get down or out of bounds to not get hit, but he just kept going, usually avoiding the big hit.