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QB Matt Stafford, LAR (1 Viewer)

Overrated as a real life qb (not fantasy)?

  • Way overrated

    Votes: 83 14.0%
  • Slightly overrated

    Votes: 158 26.7%
  • Rated just where he should be

    Votes: 203 34.3%
  • Slightly underrated

    Votes: 109 18.4%
  • Way underrated

    Votes: 38 6.4%

  • Total voters
    591
In QB 26, 40, 5, 11, 7, 15, 9, 7, 7, 20, 29, 15

Y1 - 10G   
Y2 - 3G 
Y11 - 8G

The other years he’s been an iron man with no missed games. QB1 6 of 7 years in the last 3 years Schwartz and the 4 seasons Caldwell were the HC. Lone exception was first year of JC/Joe Lombardi as OC when they scaled him back.

I would simply discount the entire Patricia era. The level of sheer incompetence across the board, in every phase of the game, antiquated front office procedures, toxic culture - no one could have succeeded IMO.

Fresh start with a strong team with a lot of pieces in place. He’s still got his fastball, does a great job sliding in the pocket as he goes through his reads, working with one of the best offensive minds in the game. Loaded for bear.

Should be an excellent choice if you are waiting on QB in redraft. His ECR is around 12/13 and I’ve seen projections as low as QB17. I think with the weapons he’s working with there’s a high likelihood he finishes around QB7/8.

 
FMIA: NFL Training Camp Tour Begins With Hugs In L.A., ‘Some Balls’ In San Francisco And A Mystery In Las Vegas

Excerpts:

Last week, a bunch of baseball teams did what the Rams have been doing to build their team since McVay arrived in 2017: Stars went flying at the trading deadline. Six months to the day after the Rams traded a ransom to Detroit to get Stafford, the crosstown Dodgers traded their top two prospects to Washington for mega-stars Max Scherzer and Trea Turner. Just as the Dodgers did that to try to beat back major contenders San Francisco and San Diego in their division, the Rams got Stafford because they need to compete in the best division in football—and they’d fallen out of love with Jared Goff. It’s unfair to put the ’19 and ’20 failings on Goff’s shoulders alone; this is the player who did so much to get the Rams to a Super Bowl in 2018. But he’d hit a wall, and McVay and he just weren’t working. So here we are.

McVay fell in like with Stafford during a chance meeting with him while vacationing in Mexico in late January. (Both men say the encounter was unplanned.) As Carolina, Washington, New England (lightly), Denver, Indianapolis and the Jets tried to get involved in the Stafford stakes, the Rams had a quarterback Detroit thought may be its future (Goff), the Rams wanted Stafford badly, and the Rams were willing to surrender two first-round picks to get him. No other team could make an offer that complete.

Half a year later, Aaron Donald’s hugging Stafford and Sean McVay is lifting Stafford’s kids up to the sky and chortling with them post-practice. So how’s it going? Pretty good—but camp is camp, and we’ll see what happens when Khalil Mack is chasing Stafford around SoFi Stadium in six weeks. On Saturday, I made the rounds of Rams execs, McVay and players, and watched their two-hour practice. The biggest takeaway from the day: In Jared Goff, McVay had a student. In Matthew Stafford, McVay has a peer.

Some of it might be proximity of age: Stafford is 33, McVay 35. Goff is 26. But it’s more than that. To McVay, a quarterback needs a lot of traits, but two important ones are disciplined reads going through his options on a play, and boldness on downfield throws—the ability and mental acuity to be willing to take risks when it’s smart. Clearly, those are traits McVay sees in Stafford.

Last Thursday during the team’s nightly meeting at the hotel, McVay cued up a play that had meaning far beyond one down. Stafford took the snap inside the 5-yard line. Empty formation. Stafford started on Cooper Kupp in the right slot. Covered. Tight end Tyler Higbee on a crossing route from the left. Too much traffic. Then Robert Woods, back of the end zone. Stafford lowered his arm slot to three-quarters to fit the ball where he saw an opening. Then zzzzzzzzip. “That thing came whizzing by my left ear,” center Austin Corbett said. “I heard it! I’m like, ‘Holy cow!’ “

Touchdown.

“When the pros are saying ‘Ooh, holy blank,’ you know it’s a pretty good play,” said McVay. “Those who know, know.”

That play accomplished a lot. It showed McVay and the offense that Stafford was going to be honest and thorough in his progressions, so the second and third and fourth options need to be ready. That wasn’t always the case with Goff. And the fastball. And moving and manipulating the pocket, changing his arm slot. And did I mention the fastball? “He will attempt throws that 26 or 28 starting quarterbacks in the NFL won’t,” said Dan Orlovsky, the ESPN analyst who projects a happy marriage for Stafford with McVay. “Matthew’s aggressive, and his confidence is founded in aggression. But he’s smart about it.”

Saturday was a good day for the team too. Stafford went at top cornerback Jalen Ramsey a few times, and Ramsey made a great play to bat away a deep throw for DeSean Jackson once; later, in a red zone period, Ramsey may have lulled Stafford into thinking he had a pathway to Kupp, but he darted in at the last second to pick Stafford—and ran it back for a touchdown. On the last play of practice, another tight window, and Stafford risked it, hitting Woods over leaping safety Juju Hughes.

All of that is exactly what practice on July 31 should be: great competition among very good players trying to get ready to win the final game of the season.

“When you really study him,” McVay told me, “you see the intricacies of quarterback position. He’s playing it at the highest level in the most difficult spots. You’re getting rushed. His ability to navigate the pocket, his movement, his feel for the rush, his ability to keep his eyes down the field. And then to exhaust your progression against that rush, that’s something in the NFL that a quarterback just has to do, and you see him progress to second, third, fourth, maybe even the fifth option, is real. It’s important.”


Honeymoons are wonderful. McVay and Stafford are on one now, as you can see. Stafford has the undying respect of his peers for his arm strength and guts and football smarts. Lots of good quarterbacks have been stuck on bad teams and played parts or all of their careers in the mire of mediocrity. But Stafford isn’t in the Michigan muck anymore. He’s got two of the best defensive players in the game, Donald and Ramsey, and enough weapons so that any good to very good quarterback should have a good chance to win. His running game will be diminished after the loss of Cam Akers for the season last month, but that might just mean three to five more ball-control safe throws per game to try to move the chains. Stafford was already going to be a strong contender to lead the league in passing yards and touchdowns. Minus Akers, Stafford could be the most desirable fantasy quarterback in the NFL’s golden age of quarterbacks.

There’s nothing standing in his way now. The offensive chessmaster who is McVay will challenge Stafford to be great and give him every chance to be great. After 12 years in a football hinterland, the L.A. lights will be bright, starting in prime time on NBC in the Sunday night season-opener against Chicago. Now it’s on Stafford. His legacy awaits.

 
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Matthew Stafford exited Monday's practice after hitting his throwing thumb on a player's helmet.

Stafford immediately left the field with his thumb wrapped and holding his helmet. After practice, coach Sean McVay said, "I don't know anything, yet. I think he'll be OK." It's notable because Stafford needed offseason surgery to repair a torn ligament in the same thumb after initially injuring it in November. Stafford played through the issue the rest of the season. It's something to watch over the next couple days.

SOURCE: Kevin Modesti on Twitter

Aug 2, 2021, 10:03 PM ET

 
"Stafford was already going to be a strong contender to lead the league in passing yards and touchdowns. Minus Akers, Stafford could be the most desirable fantasy quarterback in the NFL’s golden age of quarterbacks."

:lmao:   Peter King is such a schmuck.  

 
"Stafford was already going to be a strong contender to lead the league in passing yards and touchdowns. Minus Akers, Stafford could be the most desirable fantasy quarterback in the NFL’s golden age of quarterbacks."

:lmao:   Peter King is such a schmuck.  
When I read that my first thought was tell us how you don't play fantasy football without telling us you don't play fantasy football.

 
Matthew Stafford's thumb X-rays have come back negative. 

Per NFL Network's Ian Rapoport, Stafford has a "swollen thumb" after banging it on someone's helmet in practice. Rapsheet reports Stafford will miss "a few days." We'll see. There had been alarm because this is the same thumb Stafford had surgically repaired over the offseason. It could quite easily turn into a situation where the Rams exercise an abundance of caution and hold their new franchise player out for longer than expected. Nevertheless, there is currently zero reason to fret over Stafford's Week 1 status. 

SOURCE: Ian Rapoport on Twitter 

Aug 3, 2021, 1:23 PM ET

 
"Stafford was already going to be a strong contender to lead the league in passing yards and touchdowns. Minus Akers, Stafford could be the most desirable fantasy quarterback in the NFL’s golden age of quarterbacks."

:lmao:   Peter King is such a schmuck.  
When I read that my first thought was tell us how you don't play fantasy football without telling us you don't play fantasy football.


I just read the full column he wrote from Monday am.  If you wondered how much of a schmuck he is, he actually wrote this

"n. No good segue after that story. So I’ll just say: Nothing like the In-N-Out fries. Crispy, plus you’re eating some real potatoes."

 
I just read the full column he wrote from Monday am.  If you wondered how much of a schmuck he is, he actually wrote this

"n. No good segue after that story. So I’ll just say: Nothing like the In-N-Out fries. Crispy, plus you’re eating some real potatoes."
Dude. I've defended In-N-Out fried to the nth. And even I've come to the conclusion that...they taste like cardboard or those awful canned potato sticks at times. Just terrible. Jesus. 

 
Matthew Stafford (thumb) fully participated in Rams training camp practice on Tuesday.

Stafford had an injury scare on Monday when he hit his surgically repaired thumb on a helmet, but he was all systems go on Tuesday. The Athletic's Jourdan Rodrigue reports that the Rams had initially planned to hold Stafford out of practice, but Stafford felt good enough to practice without limitations. Stafford and the Rams will continue to monitor his thumb, but it appears that this situation has resolved as a best case scenario.

RELATED: 

Cooper Kupp

, Robert Woods

, Tyler Higbee

, Darrell Henderson

SOURCE: The Athletic

Aug 4, 2021, 11:19 AM ET

 
Los Angeles Rams QB Matthew Stafford (thumb) won't play in a preseason game Rams head coach Sean McVay said Friday, Aug. 6, as long as both are together on the Rams. 'There is zero chance you'll ever see Matthew Stafford take a snap in the preseason for the Rams as long as I'm the coach. That will never happen,' McVay said. 'So he is not going to play. That's why it's important for us to try to get competitive opportunities against some of these other teams in practice settings. Practicing against the Cowboys this Saturday. We'll get the Raiders twice. So we're always looking for those things. But until you tell me that if a guy gets hurt in the preseason that we'll get those games back or they'll add them on the schedule afterwards as, 'Oh, yeah, you get two games because you lost those guys in the preseason,' it's hard for me to make sense of it.'
Footballguys view: This is typical for veteran quarterbacks, although curious considering that Stafford hasn't played a live snap with these teammates before. McVay is wise to be cautious, but the Bears are up in Week 1, and Buccaneers in Week 3, and those are tough opponents to be facing when you are still getting on the same page. Stafford is still a good upside pick outside of the top 10 quarterbacks in most drafts, but this philosophy could cause a few bumps in the road for the transition.


https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/08/06/sean-mcvay-as-long-as-im-here-matthew-stafford-will-never-play-in-the-preseason/

What do you think about not seeing Stafford before the regular season?

 
I get why, but I think he should get at least SOME preseason reps with his new teammate. Gotta build that chemistry!!


That's where I would lean too. I know McVay is against in principle. But I think last year showed how rough no preseason can be. Especially for players in new situations. 

 
Not a big deal. Didn't the Rams do something similar a couple years back where a bunch of their best starters didn't play at all in the preseason and yet they still got it together pretty quickly once the regular season began? Granted, Goff was a mainstay, while Stafford is new to the team, but if they practice enough and whatnot, they should be able to have enough chemistry to where getting up to speed once the regular season begins won't take long.  It's not like Stafford is a rookie, after all. 

 
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Doesn't matter at all, and may be a positive.

Exhibition games (we need to start calling these games what they really are) pose a much higher level of risk for a team's most important players...much higher than the potential value they could add.  Teams would be wise to keep the starting quarterback and a handful of other players out entirely.  The relatively uncontrolled/high contact plays would be better held in conjunction with another team in scheduled scrimmages than in these "games".

Players do need to build some athletic calluses but are full exhibition games the best way to do so?  Seems like a remnant of the past style statement more than a well thought out argument in their favor.  In the modern NFL these games have very little to do with getting players ready for the season and simply serve as money makers.  Get rid of em'.

 
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Doesn't matter at all, and may be a positive.

Exhibition games (we need to start calling these games what they really are) pose a much higher level of risk for a team's most important players...much higher than the potential value they could add.  Teams would be wise to keep the starting quarterback and a handful of other players out entirely.  The relatively uncontrolled/high contact plays would be better held in conjunction with another team in scheduled scrimmages than in these "games".

Players do need to build some athletic calluses but are full exhibition games the best way to do so?  Seems like a remnant of the past style statement more than a well thought out argument in their favor.  In the modern NFL these games have very little to do with getting players ready for the season and simply serve as money makers.  Get rid of em'.


Agreed.  Plus, these games always feature a ton of players who won't even make a roster, and who knows what lengths they will go to to make their mark and try to earn a roster spot.  I don't need my starting QB getting his knee blown out by some scrub desperate to make the Bengals scout team. 

 
I think it’ll keep him & his thumb healthy. I still love him semi-late if I miss on the top 5 QBs 

IMO he’s never had this many quality targets with Woods, Kupp & Higbee. Losing Cam sucks, but I don’t know how much it’ll hurt Stanford - they may he throwing even more.

Hopefully this news depresses his value a little. 

 
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That's where I would lean too. I know McVay is against in principle. But I think last year showed how rough no preseason can be. Especially for players in new situations. 
Stafford only played a few snaps in X season the last few years in Detroit.  Dont think it will impact one way or the other.

 
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I think it’ll keep him & his thumb healthy. I still love him semi-late if I miss on the top 5 QBs 

IMO he’s never had this many quality targets with Woods, Kupp & Higbee. Losing Cam sucks, but I don’t know how much it’ll hurt Stanford - they may he throwing even more.

Hopefully this news depresses his value a little. 
The only thing that worries me about Matt is that being surrounded with a better defense & running game (Lions have not been top half in either for quite some time) will result in more wins but less fantasy stats. He could even be pulled early if the Rams are blowing out someone. Another rare occurrence with the recent Lions.

 
That's where I would lean too. I know McVay is against in principle. But I think last year showed how rough no preseason can be. Especially for players in new situations. 


I understand that perspective, but what it boils down to practically speaking is one half of one game or 2-4 series typically...which is not enough for a transplant QB to fully acclimate...you'd probably need to play all your starters for 8-12 quarters which introduces a lot of risk...so why bother.  I think a second wrinkle here is that the current CBA practice rules etc has made the first 4 games of the regular season more like pre-season.  Its kind of a slippery slope figuring out how much a little preseason play time is really worth these days.

 
The only thing that worries me about Matt is that being surrounded with a better defense & running game (Lions have not been top half in either for quite some time) will result in more wins but less fantasy stats. He could even be pulled early if the Rams are blowing out someone. Another rare occurrence with the recent Lions.
Yeah, definitely valid on both counts.  Losing Akers might off-set that a little & prove to be good for his FF value. 

there’s also the McVay factor & having a shiny new toy. So he might just let Stafford go in such situations. 

 
Little concern for me.  Maybe the passing game isn't quite as sharp in September, but overall I haven't moved my projections for Stafford which have him at QB13.

 
Stafford is a tough dude but took a beating in Detroit. He grinded through several injuries and you will never hear him complain about it. Nothing positive about being on a new team and already having an injury to deal with, but the guy is a pro and should be able to get up to speed quickly. Just hope the injury bug doesn’t continue to bite him.

 
After watching the Rams Cowboys scrimmage yesterday I think those are far more productive than preseason games. It’s rapid repetition against unfamiliar opposition. 

 
I get why, but I think he should get at least SOME preseason reps with his new teammate. Gotta build that chemistry!!
They are working in camp everyday and can do so without a red jersey on to avoid a fluke hit that hurts hit back or tears an ACL. Stafford is a vet, he’ll be ready.

 
The only reason that the NFL has the pre-season games is for money and to evaluate the final five to ten roster players in live action. Stafford will see reps at practice with his teammates and does not need the pre-season game action injury risk.

 
non-issue for me ( Stafford sitting). I'm beginning to think that the first 2 weeks of the regular season are going to be loaded with some of the worst football we've seen in recent years, as it appears that many people are sitting out preseason. 

 
non-issue for me ( Stafford sitting). I'm beginning to think that the first 2 weeks of the regular season are going to be loaded with some of the worst football we've seen in recent years, as it appears that many people are sitting out preseason. 
Was the football bad to start last season? I don't recall. 

 


Rams head coach Sean McVay, who rode hard for Stafford prior to the trade, knows his rep, if not yet his legacy, is on the line here ... “This dude’s a bad MF-er,” McVay told Sports Illustrated’s Albert Breer back in June. “Whatever people say about him, as good as it can be, he’s even better than advertised. It makes sense to him. The guy’s ability to see the game, his ability to draw on his experiences, the feel that he has, it’s pretty special and unique. And man, his feel for people, his authentic way of connecting with his teammates, his coaches, this guy, it’s great being around him.”
He led the league in game-winning drives in 2014, 2016 and 2017, and fourth-quarter comebacks in 2014 and 2016. His eight 2016 come-from-behind wins were the most in any season in the NFL since 1960, an impressive stat even without considering the fact that you’ve got to be losing to mount a fourth-quarter comeback at all. (Detroit went 9-7 that season. Draw your own conclusions from there.)
One subtle thing Cooper Kupp has noticed about Matthew Stafford in competitive camp reps is how Stafford moves defenses w/ his eyes. Pointed to a no-look pass across the middle to Robert Woods in which Stafford held the safety w/ his eyes. "It was just disgusting," Kupp said.
For now, these tidbits are all anyone outside Rams camp has to go on. Stafford didn’t play in any of the Rams’ three preseason games, which means he’ll be leaping untested into a season that starts hot.


One thing that's changed bigtime since I started playing FF is that now situations like this aren't nearly as hyped during the FF draft season. In years gone by, Stafford would've played ~5 qtrs of preseason against vanilla defenses, and probably would have lit them up along with his fantasy draft stock.

 
All the Lions fans are Rams fans this year. Would love to see him have an MVP season. Great guy and glad he’s finally got a shot at a deep playoff run.

 
Looking ahead, in this “tough division” the only team that can play defense seems to be the one Stafford is on. 

Niners down to their 8-9-10th DBs? 
Seahawks & Cards in shootouts every week?

Stafford has 6 pass friendly games right there.

gonna have a huge season. I initially said top 5. He might be top 3 when all’s said & done. 😳

And not for nuthin, he keeps hitting my league’s 50+ TD bonus. :wub:  

 
Looking ahead, in this “tough division” the only team that can play defense seems to be the one Stafford is on. 

Niners down to their 8-9-10th DBs? 
Seahawks & Cards in shootouts every week?

Stafford has 6 pass friendly games right there.

gonna have a huge season. I initially said top 5. He might be top 3 when all’s said & done. 😳

And not for nuthin, he keeps hitting my league’s 50+ TD bonus. :wub:  
This may not be the place for it, but man there may not be a better buy low guy right now than Robert Woods in my opinion. For all of the same reasons that you are laying the case for Stafford. Great schedule, lots of TDs to go around, and teams will almost certainly start to shift coverage more to Kupp.

 
This may not be the place for it, but man there may not be a better buy low guy right now than Robert Woods in my opinion. For all of the same reasons that you are laying the case for Stafford. Great schedule, lots of TDs to go around, and teams will almost certainly start to shift coverage more to Kupp.
Plus Woods gets the WR running plays, could be a red zone threat with that added in.

 
Matthew Stafford completed 27-of-38 passes for 373 yards and four touchdowns in the Rams' Week 3 win against the Bucs. 

Stafford tormented a Tampa secondary that had allowed a 72 percent completion rate headed into Week 3, picking them apart underneath with Cooper Kupp and Tyler Higbee, and over the top with DeSean Jackson. The Rams' passing attack was unstoppable on a day where they didn't even pretend to establish the run against the fearsome Tampa front four. Stafford looks like the final piece in Sean McVay's progressive, efficient offensive system. He should be considered a top-5 option in Week 4 against Arizona in what shapes up as a high-scoring affair.

 
The conversation doesn’t start for a couple more months but if we had to place a prop bet today I’d take this guy for MVP.

Great to see what he can do on a good team with a coach who meshes with him so well.

 
Looking ahead, in this “tough division” the only team that can play defense seems to be the one Stafford is on. 

Niners down to their 8-9-10th DBs? 
Seahawks & Cards in shootouts every week?

Stafford has 6 pass friendly games right there.

gonna have a huge season. I initially said top 5. He might be top 3 when all’s said & done. 😳

And not for nuthin, he keeps hitting my league’s 50+ TD bonus. :wub:  


He's not going to beat any of the running QB's at the end of the day. The Passing TD's are good in 6 pt leagues, but a lot of people play in 4 pt leagues with no such bonuses.

He put up 29 pts in what is likely his best game of the year.

 
He's not going to beat any of the running QB's at the end of the day. The Passing TD's are good in 6 pt leagues, but a lot of people play in 4 pt leagues with no such bonuses.

He put up 29 pts in what is likely his best game of the year.
49 in my league.
.1/2 PaYd, 6 for all TD, 300 yards = 2 points, .2 per completion, +1 for 50+ TDs. 

by comparison Mahomes scored 25. 1st round pick.

Allen outscored him by 10, he was a 2nd rounder.

I took Stafford in the 9th. Very pleased with the value. 

 
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