QB Patrick Mahomes II, KC (3 Viewers)

[MCFootball123]

Give it time. Rice getting more snaps is going to open this thing up. Reid and Mahomes always figure it out. Trade for a WR wouldn't shock me either - they want to win now. ROY schedule is great. KC Defense is the only thing that bugs me a bit from a fantasy perspective - they are pretty good.

LAC, DEN, MIA, PHI, LV , GB , BUF, NE, LV, CIN, LAC is going to be full of points.

 

[crushedspirit]

With that D playing as is, adding a very capable WR would be enormous to their overall goal.

 

[Faust]

Patrick Mahomes on Chiefs' offensive struggles: 'Luckily for us, our defense has been playing great'

 

[FarFromHome]

Even someone like courtland Sutton would be huge

 

[Judge Smails]

Things can change in a hurry. A few injuries on defense as an example and the Chiefs aren’t stopping teams like they are now. Nobody considered them to be an elite D coming in to the year so I’m betting they regress. Different game scripts.

I have to think their play calling tightens up a bit. Gimmicks have been killing drives. They also don’t seem to be running the pick plays especially in the red zone that gets guys wide open in the flat.

I am concerned that they aren’t getting separation deep. Usually they have guys that can stretch the field and get behind safeties. MVS has been invisible in all fronts. Rice looks like a great RAC guy. Kelce is Kelce if he stays healthy. Toney OK for short stuff. Pacheco has been good out of the backfield. McKinnon hasn’t been as good - yet. But they need to get more out of their receivers and the line has to tighten up protection. Seems like Mahomes had more time in the pocket before.

I would just think they get better. But we’ll see

 

[Football Jones]

I still don’t get why they moved Tyreek. Can’t pay one WR? LOL.

That’s the real crime here.

 

[Loipz]

I still don’t get why they moved Tyreek. Can’t pay one WR? LOL.

That’s the real crime here.

For fantasy maybe but they just won the superbowl I don’t think they miss him

 

[Football Jones]

I still don’t get why they moved Tyreek. Can’t pay one WR? LOL.

That’s the real crime here.

For fantasy maybe but they just won the superbowl I don’t think they miss him

They don’t miss Tyreek? I don’t even think that’s negotiable. BTW, they would’ve won it last year WITH Tyreek, too.

Teams can pay one WR. Maybe not two, but one for sure. They decided to get cute figuring Mahomes could make up for any deficiencies, & he did last season, but that’s a distant memory.

The Chiefs should’ve paid Tyreek. They aint gonna repeat with their current crop of WRs…something they’d have an excellent shot at doing with Cheetah.

Turrible move.

 

[Loipz]

I still don’t get why they moved Tyreek. Can’t pay one WR? LOL.

That’s the real crime here.

For fantasy maybe but they just won the superbowl I don’t think they miss him

They don’t miss Tyreek? I don’t even think that’s negotiable. BTW, they would’ve won it last year WITH Tyreek, too.

Teams can pay one WR. Maybe not two, but one for sure. They decided to get cute figuring Mahomes could make up for any deficiencies, & he did last season, but that’s a distant memory.

The Chiefs should’ve paid Tyreek. They aint gonna repeat with their current crop of WRs…something they’d have an excellent shot at doing with Cheetah.

Turrible move.

I think they’re much more worried about keeping Chris Jones

 

[jobarules]

I still don’t get why they moved Tyreek. Can’t pay one WR? LOL.

That’s the real crime here.

For fantasy maybe but they just won the superbowl I don’t think they miss him

They don’t miss Tyreek? I don’t even think that’s negotiable. BTW, they would’ve won it last year WITH Tyreek, too.

Teams can pay one WR. Maybe not two, but one for sure. They decided to get cute figuring Mahomes could make up for any deficiencies, & he did last season, but that’s a distant memory.

The Chiefs should’ve paid Tyreek. They aint gonna repeat with their current crop of WRs…something they’d have an excellent shot at doing with Cheetah.

Turrible move.

At least last year they replaced Tyreek with Juju and they still had Mecole Hardman. Not saying both guys are great but Juju is still better than the crap KC is rolling out at WR now and at least Hardman had speed and had a few big games. The current KC WRs are probably the worst in the NFL. None of these guys except Rice would even be a WR5 for most teams.

 

[Football Jones]

I still don’t get why they moved Tyreek. Can’t pay one WR? LOL.

That’s the real crime here.

For fantasy maybe but they just won the superbowl I don’t think they miss him

They don’t miss Tyreek? I don’t even think that’s negotiable. BTW, they would’ve won it last year WITH Tyreek, too.

Teams can pay one WR. Maybe not two, but one for sure. They decided to get cute figuring Mahomes could make up for any deficiencies, & he did last season, but that’s a distant memory.

The Chiefs should’ve paid Tyreek. They aint gonna repeat with their current crop of WRs…something they’d have an excellent shot at doing with Cheetah.

Turrible move.

I think they’re much more worried about keeping Chris Jones

I hear ya, but you can pay 3 guys (Mahomes/Jones/Tyreek ). The salary cap is a thing, but lots of ways around it & it goes up every year.

 

[Judge Smails]

I still don’t get why they moved Tyreek. Can’t pay one WR? LOL.

That’s the real crime here.

Sure didn't impact Mahomes last year

 

[Drake Hater]

I still don’t get why they moved Tyreek. Can’t pay one WR? LOL.

That’s the real crime here.

Sure didn't impact Mahomes last year

I think losing Eric B as OC and now having Nagy is a piece of the puzzle as well. B could probably scheme around those WR weaknesses while Nagy has no idea.

 

[Football Jones]

I still don’t get why they moved Tyreek. Can’t pay one WR? LOL.

That’s the real crime here.

Sure didn't impact Mahomes last year

It impacted him, he just overcame it. They lost some WRs, too.

 

[Football Jones]

I’m sure part of KC’s plan was to draft a top WR to replace Tyreek, but they’ve had two tries at it with two 2nd round picks. Rice is ok, but he’s just a piece.

Now, if they would’ve landed George Pickens, who I’d like to believe they were targeting with the Skyy pick, then the plan likely works. They should’ve been more aggressive & moved up a little bit since Pickens was the best WR on the board by a long shot (didn’t the Steelers jump in front of them?).

Pickens on KC is a whole different ballgame.

 

[leftcoastheel]

I’m sure part of KC’s plan was to draft a top WR to replace Tyreek, but they’ve had two tries at it with two 2nd round picks. Rice is ok, but he’s just a piece.

Now, if they would’ve landed George Pickens, who I’d like to believe they were targeting with the Skyy pick, then the plan likely works. They should’ve been more aggressive & moved up a little bit since Pickens was the best WR on the board by a long shot (didn’t the Steelers jump in front of them?).

Pickens on KC is a whole different ballgame.

Can they please trade for him... pls and thx.

 

[Tanner9919]

hate to say I told you so, but I told you so. I've documented Reid's failures as a HC selecting WR's forever lol. this guy sux at talent evaluation at the WR position. I mean seriously sux.
how many 1st round WRs he take in Philly? he is to WR selections as what Cleveland is to QB selections over the past 25 years. just terrible. it's going to bite them in the *** eventually they're going to go up against a competent team with studly DBs and shut down the pass game. they're playing nobodys and never have beens right now. cmon, denver and NYJ, jags? struggling in some of these games.

 

[crushedspirit]

They lost JuJu and then their only deep threat in Hardman. Neither are world beaters, but better than the current crop. They went from Hill to a mediocre WR room winning a SB, to a poor one now.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Any WR targets the Chiefs could work a trade for?

Marquise Brown would add a nice speed dimension. Brandin Cooks hasn’t played for the Chiefs yet.

 

[FarFromHome]

I no longer own any shares. I just love watching him play football. Please get him someone. Cooks works. Sutton. Hell Gallup. Tyler Boyd even. Mike Evans would be amazing.

 

[dipandglide]

I no longer own any shares. I just love watching him play football. Please get him someone. Cooks works. Sutton. Hell Gallup. Tyler Boyd even. Mike Evans would be amazing.

I'd love to see Evans land in KC

 

[Buckna]

hate to say I told you so, but I told you so. I've documented Reid's failures as a HC selecting WR's forever lol. this guy sux at talent evaluation at the WR position. I mean seriously sux.
how many 1st round WRs he take in Philly? he is to WR selections as what Cleveland is to QB selections over the past 25 years. just terrible. it's going to bite them in the *** eventually they're going to go up against a competent team with studly DBs and shut down the pass game. they're playing nobodys and never have beens right now. cmon, denver and NYJ, jags? struggling in some of these games.

Freddie Mitchell in 2001
Jeremy Maclin in 2009

So two in 13 years as Eagles head coach.

 

[LawFitz]

Eh, I think Richie Rice has a chance to be something decent for Reid and Mahomie.

 

[Bossman]

hate to say I told you so, but I told you so. I've documented Reid's failures as a HC selecting WR's forever lol. this guy sux at talent evaluation at the WR position. I mean seriously sux.
how many 1st round WRs he take in Philly? he is to WR selections as what Cleveland is to QB selections over the past 25 years. just terrible. it's going to bite them in the *** eventually they're going to go up against a competent team with studly DBs and shut down the pass game. they're playing nobodys and never have beens right now. cmon, denver and NYJ, jags? struggling in some of these games.

Are you sure you're not thinking of Bill Belichick?

 

[Judge Smails]

I don't know why people are laughing at my post. He's obviously still the best QB in football but he's no longer a fantasy stud. 1st qb taken in 2nd round and he's 8th qb is not good.

Watch what he does with his schedule the next 2 months...........

I'm waiting

So am I

424 and 4 work for you?

 

[jobarules]

I don't know why people are laughing at my post. He's obviously still the best QB in football but he's no longer a fantasy stud. 1st qb taken in 2nd round and he's 8th qb is not good.

Watch what he does with his schedule the next 2 months...........

I'm waiting

So am I

424 and 4 work for you?

That'll do

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

That’s much more like it.

 

[Faust]

Next Gen Stats
Patrick Mahomes was most productive targeting the intermediate area of the field (10-19 air yards), completing 13 of 14 for 259 yards & TD.

Mahomes' 259 passing yards targeting the intermediate area are the most in a game over the last five seasons.

#LACvsKC | #ChiefsKingdom

https://x.com/nextgenstats/status/1716241500034707807?s=61

 

[LawFitz]

GOAT

 

[Stinkin Ref]

I still don’t get why they moved Tyreek. Can’t pay one WR? LOL.

That’s the real crime here.

For fantasy maybe but they just won the superbowl I don’t think they miss him

They don’t miss Tyreek? I don’t even think that’s negotiable. BTW, they would’ve won it last year WITH Tyreek, too.

Teams can pay one WR. Maybe not two, but one for sure. They decided to get cute figuring Mahomes could make up for any deficiencies, & he did last season, but that’s a distant memory.

The Chiefs should’ve paid Tyreek. They aint gonna repeat with their current crop of WRs…something they’d have an excellent shot at doing with Cheetah.

Turrible move.

yeah its pretty clear they have no idea what they are doing over the last few years....

 

[Football Jones]

I still don’t get why they moved Tyreek. Can’t pay one WR? LOL.

That’s the real crime here.

For fantasy maybe but they just won the superbowl I don’t think they miss him

They don’t miss Tyreek? I don’t even think that’s negotiable. BTW, they would’ve won it last year WITH Tyreek, too.

Teams can pay one WR. Maybe not two, but one for sure. They decided to get cute figuring Mahomes could make up for any deficiencies, & he did last season, but that’s a distant memory.

The Chiefs should’ve paid Tyreek. They aint gonna repeat with their current crop of WRs…something they’d have an excellent shot at doing with Cheetah.

Turrible move.

yeah its pretty clear they have no idea what they are doing over the last few years....

That move could cost them a Super Bowl or two.

No franchise is perfect. It was dumb…

 

[Football Jones]

I’m sure KC had a plan (find & develop a stud WR) & it likely would’ve worked if they’d been aggressive & traded up a few spots for Pickens. Rice as a piece & Pickens as the dawg would’ve probably sufficed.

They gonna take shot #3 in a row at a WR in the draft next year? The Chiefs need to swallow their pride & go after a big-time FA this offseason. They should’ve just paid Tyreek, of course, but too late now.

You can pay 1 WR (& they may have to in FA, anyway). Money wasn’t a good enough excuse to dump Tyreek. Sure, they pulled it off last year, but I can’t see them repeating with those weapons. The one holding it all together is getting old. Cheetah would’ve given them a much better chance.

 

[jobarules]

I’m sure KC had a plan (find & develop a stud WR), & it likely would’ve worked if they’d been aggressive & traded up a few spots for Pickens. Rice as a piece & Pickens as the dawg would’ve probably sufficed.

They gonna take shot #3 in a row at a WR in the draft next year? The Chiefs need to swallow their pride & go after a big-time FA this offseason. They should’ve just paid Tyreek, of course, but too late now.

You can pay 1 WR (& they may have to in FA, anyway). Money wasn’t a good enough excuse to dump Tyreek. Sure, they pulled it off last year, but I can’t see them repeating with those weapons. The one holding it all together is getting old. Cheetah would’ve given them a much better chance.

Their defense is top notch right now though. It looks like they would rather spend money on defense and let Mahomes work his magic than give him a stud WR and let the defense suffer. They've won one SB since then and look like the best team in the league again this year so cant say they are wrong.

 

[Football Jones]

I’m sure KC had a plan (find & develop a stud WR), & it likely would’ve worked if they’d been aggressive & traded up a few spots for Pickens. Rice as a piece & Pickens as the dawg would’ve probably sufficed.

They gonna take shot #3 in a row at a WR in the draft next year? The Chiefs need to swallow their pride & go after a big-time FA this offseason. They should’ve just paid Tyreek, of course, but too late now.

You can pay 1 WR (& they may have to in FA, anyway). Money wasn’t a good enough excuse to dump Tyreek. Sure, they pulled it off last year, but I can’t see them repeating with those weapons. The one holding it all together is getting old. Cheetah would’ve given them a much better chance.

Their defense is top notch right now though. It looks like they would rather spend money on defense and let Mahomes work his magic than give him a stud WR and let the defense suffer. They've won one SB since then and look like the best team in the league again this year so cant say they are wrong.

I know they had a plan, but my point is they could’ve paid Tyreek & still signed Jones & had a strong D.

Mahomes is only human. Can’t expect him to make chicken salad out of chicken **** every year. It’s especially puzzling since Kelce is getting old. If they don’t fix the WR issue, there’s a decent chance this team loses top-tier status in the next few years, even with Pat & a good D.

My guess is they make a splash in FA. If so, they’re essentially admitting their mistake. On the bright side, they have Mahomes, Kelce, & a top D. They have a chance this season, but I think the lack of weaponry (other than Kelce) will be their downfall.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

I still don’t get why they moved Tyreek. Can’t pay one WR? LOL.

That’s the real crime here.

For fantasy maybe but they just won the superbowl I don’t think they miss him

They don’t miss Tyreek? I don’t even think that’s negotiable. BTW, they would’ve won it last year WITH Tyreek, too.

Teams can pay one WR. Maybe not two, but one for sure. They decided to get cute figuring Mahomes could make up for any deficiencies, & he did last season, but that’s a distant memory.

The Chiefs should’ve paid Tyreek. They aint gonna repeat with their current crop of WRs…something they’d have an excellent shot at doing with Cheetah.

Turrible move.

yeah its pretty clear they have no idea what they are doing over the last few years....

That move could cost them a Super Bowl or two.

No franchise is perfect. It was dumb…

father time dictates you will eventually get the "I told you so moment" you seem to be craving...

 

[Football Jones]

I still don’t get why they moved Tyreek. Can’t pay one WR? LOL.

That’s the real crime here.

For fantasy maybe but they just won the superbowl I don’t think they miss him

They don’t miss Tyreek? I don’t even think that’s negotiable. BTW, they would’ve won it last year WITH Tyreek, too.

Teams can pay one WR. Maybe not two, but one for sure. They decided to get cute figuring Mahomes could make up for any deficiencies, & he did last season, but that’s a distant memory.

The Chiefs should’ve paid Tyreek. They aint gonna repeat with their current crop of WRs…something they’d have an excellent shot at doing with Cheetah.

Turrible move.

yeah its pretty clear they have no idea what they are doing over the last few years....

That move could cost them a Super Bowl or two.

No franchise is perfect. It was dumb…

father time dictates you will eventually get the "I told you so moment" you seem to be craving...

Saying they have a better chance with Tyreek isn’t a wild take. Common sense says getting rid of the best WR in the league wasn’t a good move, especially when you didn’t get an impact player(s) in return. Only draft picks & cap space (which they could’ve worked around).

I would’ve liked to have been a fly on the wall when Veach & Reid were debating this, LOL. I remember Veach saying it wasn’t an easy decision. Duh. I’m thinking it’s best to just keep a future HoFer, still in his prime, & count your blessings. I know it’s good to always be looking at ways to get an edge in the NFL, but this was a classic case of overanalyzing.

 

[Judge Smails]

Stud WRs aren't like RB's. Not easily replaceable. I didn't understand KC letting Hill go nor did I understand how in the world TN could let AJ Brown go. Both in their primes.

 

[Football Jones]

The Super Bowl win last year likely always saves Veach from too much exposure on this, but it doesn’t mean it was a good long-term move. They would’ve won WITH Tyreek last year, too.

It’s just interesting to me how Veach/Reid could’ve possibly come to the conclusion they did. Anyway, props to KC for the title last year & they at least have a chance to repeat.

 

[Football Jones]

Stud WRs aren't like RB's. Not easily replaceable. I didn't understand KC letting Hill go nor did I understand how in the world TN could let AJ Brown go. Both in their primes.

Letting AJ go was criminal. Didn’t it cost the GM his job?

 

[Stinkin Ref]

Hill is a tremendous talent......but not the end all be all....KC is 23-4 without him....MIA 14-10 with him....team game and I'll trust the team Veach and company are putting together....

 

[FarFromHome]

When u have a Mahomes its easier to say u didnt need a Hill and it made sense to move on. The problem with moving on is that Hill just makes things easier for QBs. Mahomes job is easier with Hill. Sure they are still winning but Mahomes has to put team on his back. A guy like Hill helps a QB carry a team. After how the past two years at the wr position has gone it would be interesting if the Chiefs would make trade again. I think behind close doors they may admit a deal could have been done to keep him. Imo

 

[Stinkin Ref]

it is ridiculous to call it a "turrible" move.....these are the things that have to be done sometimes and why those guys that make those decisions get paid the big bucks....most definitely Mahomes ability to raise all boats factored in to the decision to let Hill go.....they would have been stupid "not" to factor that in...and that's why Mahomes is getting paid half a billion dollars.....he is expected to deal with things not being "easy"....Hill will make things "easier" for every QB in the league.....but KC could afford to let him go in order to spread the money around and make a stronger overall team....everybody wants to give Mahomes all the credit....but the job the front office has been doing is very underrated....

 

[LawFitz]

my point is they could’ve paid Tyreek & still signed Jones & had a strong D

Let's see your math. Contrary to popular belief, there is a binding salary cap in the NFL.

(Spoken as a huge Tyreek fan, who thinks the Chiefs should've sacrificed the D somewhat to keep him, but isn't going to sit here and argue about whether or not that was absolutely the right call.)

 

[crushedspirit]

Mahomes is the best by far so one can never count him out. The guy can carry a team as he has done before, but it would be nice if had a toy on offense to take some pressure off. Hopefully Rice can continue his upward trend.

 

[Football Jones]

my point is they could’ve paid Tyreek & still signed Jones & had a strong D

Let's see your math. Contrary to popular belief, there is a binding salary cap in the NFL.

(Spoken as a huge Tyreek fan, who thinks the Chiefs should've sacrificed the D somewhat to keep him, but isn't going to sit here and argue about whether or not that was absolutely the right call.)

I don’t pretend to know the details of their cap situation, but they could’ve paid Tyreek & chose not to. That’s not something that’s negotiable. This was a calculated decision that had the cap in mind, but KC figured they could do a good enough job drafting WR replacements given Mahomes’ magic right arm. They’ve failed so far.

You can pay a QB, one WR, & still have some studs on D or however you want to allocate your resources. We know this looking around the league.

It’s not like my take is way out there. Tyreek likely makes them the favorite this year. What top players would KC be without if they had signed him? None is my guess.

Yes, the salary cap is a thing, but I’m curious if KC doesn’t win it this year, do they go out & sign a high-priced WR? Kinda dumb when they had the best one in the world.

 

[Football Jones]

it is ridiculous to call it a "turrible" move.....these are the things that have to be done sometimes and why those guys that make those decisions get paid the big bucks....most definitely Mahomes ability to raise all boats factored in to the decision to let Hill go.....they would have been stupid "not" to factor that in...and that's why Mahomes is getting paid half a billion dollars.....he is expected to deal with things not being "easy"....Hill will make things "easier" for every QB in the league.....but KC could afford to let him go in order to spread the money around and make a stronger overall team....everybody wants to give Mahomes all the credit....but the job the front office has been doing is very underrated....

It was a terrible move. One they will end up regretting. It happens.

 

[Football Jones]

Well, I shouldn’t say that. More accurate would be to say a decision they will LIKELY regret, especially if they have to dip into FA & pay a bunch of money to a lesser WR.

 

[Football Jones]

The Titans’ rocket scientist who thought it was ok to dump AJ was just as bad, but I believe he got fired for it. Stud WRs don’t grow on trees…extremely difficult to replace in today’s NFL.

You can cover some things up on D with scheming & such, even OL to a degree, but guys like Cheetah are unicorns.

Just blows my mind KC came to the conclusion they did.

 

[FarFromHome]

it is ridiculous to call it a "turrible" move.....these are the things that have to be done sometimes and why those guys that make those decisions get paid the big bucks....most definitely Mahomes ability to raise all boats factored in to the decision to let Hill go.....they would have been stupid "not" to factor that in...and that's why Mahomes is getting paid half a billion dollars.....he is expected to deal with things not being "easy"....Hill will make things "easier" for every QB in the league.....but KC could afford to let him go in order to spread the money around and make a stronger overall team....everybody wants to give Mahomes all the credit....but the job the front office has been doing is very underrated....

I agree with most of what u said. I will say I bet a million dollars the front office had that attitude, but also figured somebody would step up to fill his role. At least a little. The problem is nobody has. Most front offices look good when u have him as your QB.

 

[Football Jones]

I could come closer to buying it if Kelce was younger.