QB Patrick Mahomes II, KC (1 Viewer)

[BoltNlava]

Thing about Mahomes is that he used to make the crossbody throws look effortless. Last night he seemed slow and labored to do so. The long ball, not so much. That was on the money. Also every pass over the middle short or to the sidelines was low and with little accuracy.

 

[Faust]

After Patrick Mahomes' nightmare Super Bowl, what comes next?

 

[rockaction]

After Patrick Mahomes' nightmare Super Bowl, what comes next?

More of the same winning will be happening if they can even remotely fix that line. From the article:

"CONSTANT CHANGE IS is the main reason quarterbacks struggle in the NFL. And that's why the Chiefs dynasty is under no threat. The consistency of Kansas City's coaching staff during Mahomes' career has helped him become an NFL parity-buster, despite falling short Sunday night.

Since Mahomes became the Chiefs' starter in 2018, Kansas City has 23 more wins than any other team (postseason included), the highest points per game (28.0) and the most yards per game (386.1).

The Chiefs have the best seven-season run (.781 winning percentage, 107-30 record, including the postseason) in the modern era (since 1966), better than any seven-season stretch of the Patriots' dynasty. As highlighted by Peter King, Mahomes' pre-age-30 playoff stats are better than Brady's -- by a lot. Mahomes has thrown 26 more touchdown passes and won two more conference titles with a passer rating almost 20 points higher." - Kalyn Kahler

 

[Andy Dufresne]

He was diagnosed with a "mild" high ankle sprain after the Browns game. I wonder if that affected him during this run.

 

[Chreesto]

Brady was 0-3 in SBs where he faced a pressure rate of 40% and above.

I'll add that Brady was a lucky ******* too (in addition to being great).

-Seattle calls the worst play ever to give him one win. Hate the Seahawks so was happy they did

-Atlanta melts down and blows a 28-3 halftime lead to give them another win. Granted, Pats were phenomenal on both sides of the ball the 2nd half, but a total clusterfock for Atlanta on both sides of the ball and that team was too good for that to happen.

In general I agree with you, and think this is a good perspective, but as with most of this conversation, it is easy to massage things to craft the narrative, and really hard to be objective in a sport with so many variables with the players on the field and the coaches on the sidelines. He is unquestionably a spectacular QB, but Mahomes has had moments of luck in his playoff success, and his Superbowl performances are a little "meh". While definitely the beneficiary of some luck, Brady also had moments of bad fortune negatively affect his success. Brady threw for over 500 yards and lost a game in which his coach mysteriously decided to bench the defender who had played the most snaps of the team. The david tyree helmet catch. The Mario manningham sideline catch. The jermaine kearse bobble catch.
The desire to GOATify every sports conversation is kind of unfortunate. When I was growing up I seem to remember that we had some other ways to praise excellence than rushing right to "greatest ever". Superlatives for everyone makes the conversation less interesting. Seeing Mahomes without a good offensive line makes me wonder what about great QBs that never had coaching/personnel support and what about mediocre QBs who looked great because the circumstances were perfect? As a Bears fan I often wonder what Mahomes' reputation would be, had the bears drafted him. Given our ineptitude at supporting QBs I don't think it is crazy to think he might have had a cutler-esque career. Watching QB play has been a joy since I saw Marino's rookie year as a 6-7 year old, and we are fortunate to get to see these guys do their thing. To me, we are not close to knowing which of these guys is better, but the most impressive thing that I have seen from either of them was Brady going to Tampa and winning the Superbowl in a covid-hampered environment. That felt a bit like a mic drop.

 

[kyoun1e]

Brady was 0-3 in SBs where he faced a pressure rate of 40% and above.

I'll add that Brady was a lucky ******* too (in addition to being great).

-Seattle calls the worst play ever to give him one win. Hate the Seahawks so was happy they did

-Atlanta melts down and blows a 28-3 halftime lead to give them another win. Granted, Pats were phenomenal on both sides of the ball the 2nd half, but a total clusterfock for Atlanta on both sides of the ball and that team was too good for that to happen.

In general I agree with you, and think this is a good perspective, but as with most of this conversation, it is easy to massage things to craft the narrative, and really hard to be objective in a sport with so many variables with the players on the field and the coaches on the sidelines. He is unquestionably a spectacular QB, but Mahomes has had moments of luck in his playoff success, and his Superbowl performances are a little "meh". While definitely the beneficiary of some luck, Brady also had moments of bad fortune negatively affect his success. Brady threw for over 500 yards and lost a game in which his coach mysteriously decided to bench the defender who had played the most snaps of the team. The david tyree helmet catch. The Mario manningham sideline catch. The jermaine kearse bobble catch.
The desire to GOATify every sports conversation is kind of unfortunate. When I was growing up I seem to remember that we had some other ways to praise excellence than rushing right to "greatest ever". Superlatives for everyone makes the conversation less interesting. Seeing Mahomes without a good offensive line makes me wonder what about great QBs that never had coaching/personnel support and what about mediocre QBs who looked great because the circumstances were perfect? As a Bears fan I often wonder what Mahomes' reputation would be, had the bears drafted him. Given our ineptitude at supporting QBs I don't think it is crazy to think he might have had a cutler-esque career. Watching QB play has been a joy since I saw Marino's rookie year as a 6-7 year old, and we are fortunate to get to see these guys do their thing. To me, we are not close to knowing which of these guys is better, but the most impressive thing that I have seen from either of them was Brady going to Tampa and winning the Superbowl in a covid-hampered environment. That felt a bit like a mic drop.

Without a doubt. Brady was "this" close to 2 or 3 more. And in the losses, he left the game with the lead.

Right now the argument is dead. Mahommes is not even halfway up Mt. Everest.

 

[Snotbubbles]

After Patrick Mahomes' nightmare Super Bowl, what comes next?

More of the same winning will be happening if they can even remotely fix that line. From the article:

"CONSTANT CHANGE IS is the main reason quarterbacks struggle in the NFL. And that's why the Chiefs dynasty is under no threat. The consistency of Kansas City's coaching staff during Mahomes' career has helped him become an NFL parity-buster, despite falling short Sunday night.

Since Mahomes became the Chiefs' starter in 2018, Kansas City has 23 more wins than any other team (postseason included), the highest points per game (28.0) and the most yards per game (386.1).

The Chiefs have the best seven-season run (.781 winning percentage, 107-30 record, including the postseason) in the modern era (since 1966), better than any seven-season stretch of the Patriots' dynasty. As highlighted by Peter King, Mahomes' pre-age-30 playoff stats are better than Brady's -- by a lot. Mahomes has thrown 26 more touchdown passes and won two more conference titles with a passer rating almost 20 points higher." - Kalyn Kahler

Chiefs have some important FAs this offseason (the most important):

• OG Trey Smith (played 97% of snaps)
• S Justin Reid (played 90% of snaps)
• LB Nick Bolton (played 87% of snaps)

They only have $11M in cap space. I'll be very surprised if the Chiefs make it back to the AFCCG. Fixing the line looks like it could be a multi-year process.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Brady was 0-3 in SBs where he faced a pressure rate of 40% and above.

I'll add that Brady was a lucky ******* too (in addition to being great).

-Seattle calls the worst play ever to give him one win. Hate the Seahawks so was happy they did

-Atlanta melts down and blows a 28-3 halftime lead to give them another win. Granted, Pats were phenomenal on both sides of the ball the 2nd half, but a total clusterfock for Atlanta on both sides of the ball and that team was too good for that to happen.

In general I agree with you, and think this is a good perspective, but as with most of this conversation, it is easy to massage things to craft the narrative, and really hard to be objective in a sport with so many variables with the players on the field and the coaches on the sidelines. He is unquestionably a spectacular QB, but Mahomes has had moments of luck in his playoff success, and his Superbowl performances are a little "meh". While definitely the beneficiary of some luck, Brady also had moments of bad fortune negatively affect his success. Brady threw for over 500 yards and lost a game in which his coach mysteriously decided to bench the defender who had played the most snaps of the team. The david tyree helmet catch. The Mario manningham sideline catch. The jermaine kearse bobble catch.
The desire to GOATify every sports conversation is kind of unfortunate. When I was growing up I seem to remember that we had some other ways to praise excellence than rushing right to "greatest ever". Superlatives for everyone makes the conversation less interesting. Seeing Mahomes without a good offensive line makes me wonder what about great QBs that never had coaching/personnel support and what about mediocre QBs who looked great because the circumstances were perfect? As a Bears fan I often wonder what Mahomes' reputation would be, had the bears drafted him. Given our ineptitude at supporting QBs I don't think it is crazy to think he might have had a cutler-esque career. Watching QB play has been a joy since I saw Marino's rookie year as a 6-7 year old, and we are fortunate to get to see these guys do their thing. To me, we are not close to knowing which of these guys is better, but the most impressive thing that I have seen from either of them was Brady going to Tampa and winning the Superbowl in a covid-hampered environment. That felt a bit like a mic drop.

Without a doubt. Brady was "this" close to 2 or 3 more. And in the losses, he left the game with the lead.

Right now the argument is dead. Mahommes is not even halfway up Mt. Everest.

Brady's best game in the SB might have been 2017. His team didn't punt one time and he still lost.

 

[crushedspirit]

Every great has fortune on his side, heck in Mahomes first year as a starter he lost to Brady in the AFCC OT game only after a neutral zone infraction that had negated a game ending INT thrown by Brady.

 

[IHEARTFF]

Brady was 0-3 in SBs where he faced a pressure rate of 40% and above.

I'll add that Brady was a lucky ******* too (in addition to being great).

-Seattle calls the worst play ever to give him one win. Hate the Seahawks so was happy they did

-Atlanta melts down and blows a 28-3 halftime lead to give them another win. Granted, Pats were phenomenal on both sides of the ball the 2nd half, but a total clusterfock for Atlanta on both sides of the ball and that team was too good for that to happen.

In general I agree with you, and think this is a good perspective, but as with most of this conversation, it is easy to massage things to craft the narrative, and really hard to be objective in a sport with so many variables with the players on the field and the coaches on the sidelines. He is unquestionably a spectacular QB, but Mahomes has had moments of luck in his playoff success, and his Superbowl performances are a little "meh". While definitely the beneficiary of some luck, Brady also had moments of bad fortune negatively affect his success. Brady threw for over 500 yards and lost a game in which his coach mysteriously decided to bench the defender who had played the most snaps of the team. The david tyree helmet catch. The Mario manningham sideline catch. The jermaine kearse bobble catch.
The desire to GOATify every sports conversation is kind of unfortunate. When I was growing up I seem to remember that we had some other ways to praise excellence than rushing right to "greatest ever". Superlatives for everyone makes the conversation less interesting. Seeing Mahomes without a good offensive line makes me wonder what about great QBs that never had coaching/personnel support and what about mediocre QBs who looked great because the circumstances were perfect? As a Bears fan I often wonder what Mahomes' reputation would be, had the bears drafted him. Given our ineptitude at supporting QBs I don't think it is crazy to think he might have had a cutler-esque career. Watching QB play has been a joy since I saw Marino's rookie year as a 6-7 year old, and we are fortunate to get to see these guys do their thing. To me, we are not close to knowing which of these guys is better, but the most impressive thing that I have seen from either of them was Brady going to Tampa and winning the Superbowl in a covid-hampered environment. That felt a bit like a mic drop.

Without a doubt. Brady was "this" close to 2 or 3 more. And in the losses, he left the game with the lead.

Right now the argument is dead. Mahommes is not even halfway up Mt. Everest.

Mahomes has already in 7 seasons done more than basically every qb ever besides Brady, who took 22 years to accomplish his feats. You can say the argument is dead or whatever for now, but there’s nobody else to compare him to.

 

[ShamrockPride]

Brady was 0-3 in SBs where he faced a pressure rate of 40% and above.

I'll add that Brady was a lucky ******* too (in addition to being great).

-Seattle calls the worst play ever to give him one win. Hate the Seahawks so was happy they did

-Atlanta melts down and blows a 28-3 halftime lead to give them another win. Granted, Pats were phenomenal on both sides of the ball the 2nd half, but a total clusterfock for Atlanta on both sides of the ball and that team was too good for that to happen.

In general I agree with you, and think this is a good perspective, but as with most of this conversation, it is easy to massage things to craft the narrative, and really hard to be objective in a sport with so many variables with the players on the field and the coaches on the sidelines. He is unquestionably a spectacular QB, but Mahomes has had moments of luck in his playoff success, and his Superbowl performances are a little "meh". While definitely the beneficiary of some luck, Brady also had moments of bad fortune negatively affect his success. Brady threw for over 500 yards and lost a game in which his coach mysteriously decided to bench the defender who had played the most snaps of the team. The david tyree helmet catch. The Mario manningham sideline catch. The jermaine kearse bobble catch.
The desire to GOATify every sports conversation is kind of unfortunate. When I was growing up I seem to remember that we had some other ways to praise excellence than rushing right to "greatest ever". Superlatives for everyone makes the conversation less interesting. Seeing Mahomes without a good offensive line makes me wonder what about great QBs that never had coaching/personnel support and what about mediocre QBs who looked great because the circumstances were perfect? As a Bears fan I often wonder what Mahomes' reputation would be, had the bears drafted him. Given our ineptitude at supporting QBs I don't think it is crazy to think he might have had a cutler-esque career. Watching QB play has been a joy since I saw Marino's rookie year as a 6-7 year old, and we are fortunate to get to see these guys do their thing. To me, we are not close to knowing which of these guys is better, but the most impressive thing that I have seen from either of them was Brady going to Tampa and winning the Superbowl in a covid-hampered environment. That felt a bit like a mic drop.

Without a doubt. Brady was "this" close to 2 or 3 more. And in the losses, he left the game with the lead.

Right now the argument is dead. Mahommes is not even halfway up Mt. Everest.

Mahomes has already in 7 seasons done more than basically every qb ever besides Brady, who took 22 years to accomplish his feats. You can say the argument is dead or whatever for now, but there’s nobody else to compare him to.

Nobody else to conpare him to, correct. But we'll see how the second half of his career plays out. 2 things:

1. Brady slowed down for a decade after the 3 in 4 (with a couple of Giant SB losses), then found a second wind and started winning again at 38. I'll be very surprised if Pat plays even to that, let alone another 7 years after. He seems far more family oriented than either Brady or Rodgers, who obviously both played into their 40s. Brady is probably the only guy to do it at a championship level.

2. Pat also seems more injury-prone than Brady. Not that Pat has missed many games, but each season it does seem like he goes for stretches where there is some nagging issue, often dinged up. I'd imagine that probably compounds slowly over time.

 

[kyoun1e]

Brady was 0-3 in SBs where he faced a pressure rate of 40% and above.

I'll add that Brady was a lucky ******* too (in addition to being great).

-Seattle calls the worst play ever to give him one win. Hate the Seahawks so was happy they did

-Atlanta melts down and blows a 28-3 halftime lead to give them another win. Granted, Pats were phenomenal on both sides of the ball the 2nd half, but a total clusterfock for Atlanta on both sides of the ball and that team was too good for that to happen.

In general I agree with you, and think this is a good perspective, but as with most of this conversation, it is easy to massage things to craft the narrative, and really hard to be objective in a sport with so many variables with the players on the field and the coaches on the sidelines. He is unquestionably a spectacular QB, but Mahomes has had moments of luck in his playoff success, and his Superbowl performances are a little "meh". While definitely the beneficiary of some luck, Brady also had moments of bad fortune negatively affect his success. Brady threw for over 500 yards and lost a game in which his coach mysteriously decided to bench the defender who had played the most snaps of the team. The david tyree helmet catch. The Mario manningham sideline catch. The jermaine kearse bobble catch.
The desire to GOATify every sports conversation is kind of unfortunate. When I was growing up I seem to remember that we had some other ways to praise excellence than rushing right to "greatest ever". Superlatives for everyone makes the conversation less interesting. Seeing Mahomes without a good offensive line makes me wonder what about great QBs that never had coaching/personnel support and what about mediocre QBs who looked great because the circumstances were perfect? As a Bears fan I often wonder what Mahomes' reputation would be, had the bears drafted him. Given our ineptitude at supporting QBs I don't think it is crazy to think he might have had a cutler-esque career. Watching QB play has been a joy since I saw Marino's rookie year as a 6-7 year old, and we are fortunate to get to see these guys do their thing. To me, we are not close to knowing which of these guys is better, but the most impressive thing that I have seen from either of them was Brady going to Tampa and winning the Superbowl in a covid-hampered environment. That felt a bit like a mic drop.

Without a doubt. Brady was "this" close to 2 or 3 more. And in the losses, he left the game with the lead.

Right now the argument is dead. Mahommes is not even halfway up Mt. Everest.

Mahomes has already in 7 seasons done more than basically every qb ever besides Brady, who took 22 years to accomplish his feats. You can say the argument is dead or whatever for now, but there’s nobody else to compare him to.

Brady was 0-3 in SBs where he faced a pressure rate of 40% and above.

I'll add that Brady was a lucky ******* too (in addition to being great).

-Seattle calls the worst play ever to give him one win. Hate the Seahawks so was happy they did

-Atlanta melts down and blows a 28-3 halftime lead to give them another win. Granted, Pats were phenomenal on both sides of the ball the 2nd half, but a total clusterfock for Atlanta on both sides of the ball and that team was too good for that to happen.

In general I agree with you, and think this is a good perspective, but as with most of this conversation, it is easy to massage things to craft the narrative, and really hard to be objective in a sport with so many variables with the players on the field and the coaches on the sidelines. He is unquestionably a spectacular QB, but Mahomes has had moments of luck in his playoff success, and his Superbowl performances are a little "meh". While definitely the beneficiary of some luck, Brady also had moments of bad fortune negatively affect his success. Brady threw for over 500 yards and lost a game in which his coach mysteriously decided to bench the defender who had played the most snaps of the team. The david tyree helmet catch. The Mario manningham sideline catch. The jermaine kearse bobble catch.
The desire to GOATify every sports conversation is kind of unfortunate. When I was growing up I seem to remember that we had some other ways to praise excellence than rushing right to "greatest ever". Superlatives for everyone makes the conversation less interesting. Seeing Mahomes without a good offensive line makes me wonder what about great QBs that never had coaching/personnel support and what about mediocre QBs who looked great because the circumstances were perfect? As a Bears fan I often wonder what Mahomes' reputation would be, had the bears drafted him. Given our ineptitude at supporting QBs I don't think it is crazy to think he might have had a cutler-esque career. Watching QB play has been a joy since I saw Marino's rookie year as a 6-7 year old, and we are fortunate to get to see these guys do their thing. To me, we are not close to knowing which of these guys is better, but the most impressive thing that I have seen from either of them was Brady going to Tampa and winning the Superbowl in a covid-hampered environment. That felt a bit like a mic drop.

Without a doubt. Brady was "this" close to 2 or 3 more. And in the losses, he left the game with the lead.

Right now the argument is dead. Mahommes is not even halfway up Mt. Everest.

Mahomes has already in 7 seasons done more than basically every qb ever besides Brady, who took 22 years to accomplish his feats. You can say the argument is dead or whatever for now, but there’s nobody else to compare him to.

2. Pat also seems more injury-prone than Brady. Not that Pat has missed many games, but each season it does seem like he goes for stretches where there is some nagging issue, often dinged up. I'd imagine that probably compounds slowly over time.

Hard to predict injuries but this can't be understated. Mahommes has to stay healthy to come close. In addition, as he ages, he'll lose some of that mobility he has.

He's got a long hike ahead of him and a lot of things have to go right (and not wrong).

 

[Buckna]

After Patrick Mahomes' nightmare Super Bowl, what comes next?

More of the same winning will be happening if they can even remotely fix that line. From the article:

"CONSTANT CHANGE IS is the main reason quarterbacks struggle in the NFL. And that's why the Chiefs dynasty is under no threat. The consistency of Kansas City's coaching staff during Mahomes' career has helped him become an NFL parity-buster, despite falling short Sunday night.

Since Mahomes became the Chiefs' starter in 2018, Kansas City has 23 more wins than any other team (postseason included), the highest points per game (28.0) and the most yards per game (386.1).

The Chiefs have the best seven-season run (.781 winning percentage, 107-30 record, including the postseason) in the modern era (since 1966), better than any seven-season stretch of the Patriots' dynasty. As highlighted by Peter King, Mahomes' pre-age-30 playoff stats are better than Brady's -- by a lot. Mahomes has thrown 26 more touchdown passes and won two more conference titles with a passer rating almost 20 points higher." - Kalyn Kahler

Chiefs have some important FAs this offseason (the most important):

• OG Trey Smith (played 97% of snaps)
• S Justin Reid (played 90% of snaps)
• LB Nick Bolton (played 87% of snaps)

They only have $11M in cap space. I'll be very surprised if the Chiefs make it back to the AFCCG. Fixing the line looks like it could be a multi-year process.

They can restructure just Chris Jones and Mahomes contracts and gain $30~$40MM in cap space if they want. If Kelce moves on they can save another $17MM. They can't keep everyone every year of course or always restructure but they can make what strategic moves they think make the most sense to keep things going the next few years pretty easily.

 

[Snotbubbles]

After Patrick Mahomes' nightmare Super Bowl, what comes next?

More of the same winning will be happening if they can even remotely fix that line. From the article:

"CONSTANT CHANGE IS is the main reason quarterbacks struggle in the NFL. And that's why the Chiefs dynasty is under no threat. The consistency of Kansas City's coaching staff during Mahomes' career has helped him become an NFL parity-buster, despite falling short Sunday night.

Since Mahomes became the Chiefs' starter in 2018, Kansas City has 23 more wins than any other team (postseason included), the highest points per game (28.0) and the most yards per game (386.1).

The Chiefs have the best seven-season run (.781 winning percentage, 107-30 record, including the postseason) in the modern era (since 1966), better than any seven-season stretch of the Patriots' dynasty. As highlighted by Peter King, Mahomes' pre-age-30 playoff stats are better than Brady's -- by a lot. Mahomes has thrown 26 more touchdown passes and won two more conference titles with a passer rating almost 20 points higher." - Kalyn Kahler

Chiefs have some important FAs this offseason (the most important):

• OG Trey Smith (played 97% of snaps)
• S Justin Reid (played 90% of snaps)
• LB Nick Bolton (played 87% of snaps)

They only have $11M in cap space. I'll be very surprised if the Chiefs make it back to the AFCCG. Fixing the line looks like it could be a multi-year process.

They can restructure just Chris Jones and Mahomes contracts and gain $30~$40MM in cap space if they want. If Kelce moves on they can save another $17MM. They can't keep everyone every year of course or always restructure but they can make what strategic moves they think make the most sense to keep things going the next few years pretty easily.

Chris Jones is already 31. He's at that age where, father time is knocking at the door.

 

[DropKick]

Brady was 0-3 in SBs where he faced a pressure rate of 40% and above.

I'll add that Brady was a lucky ******* too (in addition to being great).

-Seattle calls the worst play ever to give him one win. Hate the Seahawks so was happy they did

-Atlanta melts down and blows a 28-3 halftime lead to give them another win. Granted, Pats were phenomenal on both sides of the ball the 2nd half, but a total clusterfock for Atlanta on both sides of the ball and that team was too good for that to happen.

In general I agree with you, and think this is a good perspective, but as with most of this conversation, it is easy to massage things to craft the narrative, and really hard to be objective in a sport with so many variables with the players on the field and the coaches on the sidelines. He is unquestionably a spectacular QB, but Mahomes has had moments of luck in his playoff success, and his Superbowl performances are a little "meh". While definitely the beneficiary of some luck, Brady also had moments of bad fortune negatively affect his success. Brady threw for over 500 yards and lost a game in which his coach mysteriously decided to bench the defender who had played the most snaps of the team. The david tyree helmet catch. The Mario manningham sideline catch. The jermaine kearse bobble catch.
The desire to GOATify every sports conversation is kind of unfortunate. When I was growing up I seem to remember that we had some other ways to praise excellence than rushing right to "greatest ever". Superlatives for everyone makes the conversation less interesting. Seeing Mahomes without a good offensive line makes me wonder what about great QBs that never had coaching/personnel support and what about mediocre QBs who looked great because the circumstances were perfect? As a Bears fan I often wonder what Mahomes' reputation would be, had the bears drafted him. Given our ineptitude at supporting QBs I don't think it is crazy to think he might have had a cutler-esque career. Watching QB play has been a joy since I saw Marino's rookie year as a 6-7 year old, and we are fortunate to get to see these guys do their thing. To me, we are not close to knowing which of these guys is better, but the most impressive thing that I have seen from either of them was Brady going to Tampa and winning the Superbowl in a covid-hampered environment. That felt a bit like a mic drop.

I've been watching the NFL a little longer than you and maybe with a little more perspective... but can say that yours is an excellent post on multiple levels. Too many people only see the game through the lens of the jersey they follow. People try to to discredit the work ethic, commitment and everything that works against you in the NFL. They see what they want or they just don't see at all.

Going into this Superbowl, I told several friends (Chiefs fans at that) that I thought the Eagles could lay the wood to the Chiefs. Record be damned... they were fairly mediocre this season. Could have been a 9 or 10 win team. Injuries are a big part of that... as is paying large contracts to a handful of superstars. Like many, I think they caught a ridiculous number of breaks from questionable officiating. I don't think they were even the best team from the AFC. Maybe we got cheated a little... But I won't judge Mahomes on one game. I've seen Brady appear to be done and come back to win multiple SBs with multiple teams. There is ebb and flow in the NFL. The QB can elevate a team but only so much.

 

[scothawk]

After Patrick Mahomes' nightmare Super Bowl, what comes next?

More of the same winning will be happening if they can even remotely fix that line. From the article:

"CONSTANT CHANGE IS is the main reason quarterbacks struggle in the NFL. And that's why the Chiefs dynasty is under no threat. The consistency of Kansas City's coaching staff during Mahomes' career has helped him become an NFL parity-buster, despite falling short Sunday night.

Since Mahomes became the Chiefs' starter in 2018, Kansas City has 23 more wins than any other team (postseason included), the highest points per game (28.0) and the most yards per game (386.1).

The Chiefs have the best seven-season run (.781 winning percentage, 107-30 record, including the postseason) in the modern era (since 1966), better than any seven-season stretch of the Patriots' dynasty. As highlighted by Peter King, Mahomes' pre-age-30 playoff stats are better than Brady's -- by a lot. Mahomes has thrown 26 more touchdown passes and won two more conference titles with a passer rating almost 20 points higher." - Kalyn Kahler

Chiefs have some important FAs this offseason (the most important):

• OG Trey Smith (played 97% of snaps)
• S Justin Reid (played 90% of snaps)
• LB Nick Bolton (played 87% of snaps)

They only have $11M in cap space. I'll be very surprised if the Chiefs make it back to the AFCCG. Fixing the line looks like it could be a multi-year process.

They can restructure just Chris Jones and Mahomes contracts and gain $30~$40MM in cap space if they want. If Kelce moves on they can save another $17MM. They can't keep everyone every year of course or always restructure but they can make what strategic moves they think make the most sense to keep things going the next few years pretty easily.

Chris Jones is already 31. He's at that age where, father time is knocking at the door.

I own Jones in most of my dynasty leagues. Sadly I think the knocking is harder than we want to believe.

 

[DocHolliday]

Brady was 0-3 in SBs where he faced a pressure rate of 40% and above.

I'll add that Brady was a lucky ******* too (in addition to being great).

-Seattle calls the worst play ever to give him one win. Hate the Seahawks so was happy they did

-Atlanta melts down and blows a 28-3 halftime lead to give them another win. Granted, Pats were phenomenal on both sides of the ball the 2nd half, but a total clusterfock for Atlanta on both sides of the ball and that team was too good for that to happen.

In general I agree with you, and think this is a good perspective, but as with most of this conversation, it is easy to massage things to craft the narrative, and really hard to be objective in a sport with so many variables with the players on the field and the coaches on the sidelines. He is unquestionably a spectacular QB, but Mahomes has had moments of luck in his playoff success, and his Superbowl performances are a little "meh". While definitely the beneficiary of some luck, Brady also had moments of bad fortune negatively affect his success. Brady threw for over 500 yards and lost a game in which his coach mysteriously decided to bench the defender who had played the most snaps of the team. The david tyree helmet catch. The Mario manningham sideline catch. The jermaine kearse bobble catch.
The desire to GOATify every sports conversation is kind of unfortunate. When I was growing up I seem to remember that we had some other ways to praise excellence than rushing right to "greatest ever". Superlatives for everyone makes the conversation less interesting. Seeing Mahomes without a good offensive line makes me wonder what about great QBs that never had coaching/personnel support and what about mediocre QBs who looked great because the circumstances were perfect? As a Bears fan I often wonder what Mahomes' reputation would be, had the bears drafted him. Given our ineptitude at supporting QBs I don't think it is crazy to think he might have had a cutler-esque career. Watching QB play has been a joy since I saw Marino's rookie year as a 6-7 year old, and we are fortunate to get to see these guys do their thing. To me, we are not close to knowing which of these guys is better, but the most impressive thing that I have seen from either of them was Brady going to Tampa and winning the Superbowl in a covid-hampered environment. That felt a bit like a mic drop.

Without a doubt. Brady was "this" close to 2 or 3 more. And in the losses, he left the game with the lead.

Right now the argument is dead. Mahommes is not even halfway up Mt. Everest.

Mahomes has already in 7 seasons done more than basically every qb ever besides Brady, who took 22 years to accomplish his feats. You can say the argument is dead or whatever for now, but there’s nobody else to compare him to.

Mahomes had no protection at all against a ferocious Philly D line. KC will fix that and I wouldn’t be shocked if KC and Mahomes are in the SB next season.

 

[Buckna]

After Patrick Mahomes' nightmare Super Bowl, what comes next?

More of the same winning will be happening if they can even remotely fix that line. From the article:

"CONSTANT CHANGE IS is the main reason quarterbacks struggle in the NFL. And that's why the Chiefs dynasty is under no threat. The consistency of Kansas City's coaching staff during Mahomes' career has helped him become an NFL parity-buster, despite falling short Sunday night.

Since Mahomes became the Chiefs' starter in 2018, Kansas City has 23 more wins than any other team (postseason included), the highest points per game (28.0) and the most yards per game (386.1).

The Chiefs have the best seven-season run (.781 winning percentage, 107-30 record, including the postseason) in the modern era (since 1966), better than any seven-season stretch of the Patriots' dynasty. As highlighted by Peter King, Mahomes' pre-age-30 playoff stats are better than Brady's -- by a lot. Mahomes has thrown 26 more touchdown passes and won two more conference titles with a passer rating almost 20 points higher." - Kalyn Kahler

Chiefs have some important FAs this offseason (the most important):

• OG Trey Smith (played 97% of snaps)
• S Justin Reid (played 90% of snaps)
• LB Nick Bolton (played 87% of snaps)

They only have $11M in cap space. I'll be very surprised if the Chiefs make it back to the AFCCG. Fixing the line looks like it could be a multi-year process.

They can restructure just Chris Jones and Mahomes contracts and gain $30~$40MM in cap space if they want. If Kelce moves on they can save another $17MM. They can't keep everyone every year of course or always restructure but they can make what strategic moves they think make the most sense to keep things going the next few years pretty easily.

Chris Jones is already 31. He's at that age where, father time is knocking at the door.

Definitely agree, his contract is currently structured to where there’s a pretty substantial cap savings starting 2027 to cut him. Imagine he’ll be gone or restructured to something cheaper if he’s still producing at 33. They’ll need a replacement eventually.

My guess is they will be extending McDuffie pretty soon and his big $ will hit just as Jones is fading out. Surtain’s recent big contract is probably the floor for McDuffie but the Chiefs can extend early this year and lean on the last two controlled rookie salary years if they want for cap flexibility.

 

[LawFitz]

Brady's run will likely never be repeated or surpassed because his style of play (computer brain, accurate quick release, zero running) and lifestyle (strict, obsessive, dedicated professional on and off field) played a huge role in his longevity through not just his 30s, but well into his 40s. That combo of attributes is exceptionally rare; there's no one among the current elites of the NFL fitting the same mold. Mahomes has the years left to do so, IF you assume his body holds up the way Brady's did. Play style may decide otherwise.

Mahomes at his peak with proper OL and weapons was the best QB I've ever seen. He was Brady(ish) but with wheels and a much better arm. But exceeding Brady's stats will take more than being the best I've ever seen for a moment. Brady did it for over two decades. That's animal style fries right there.

 

[BassNBrew]

Completed air yards per pass attempt

1. Purdy 4.9
8. Hurts 4.2
22.5. League Average 3.7
40. Mahomes 2.8

Not sure when Mahommes transitioned from Marino to Daniel/Mac Jones, but captain check down isn't going to win championships.

If you change the stat from attempts to completions, his performance is even more pathetic.

 

[N Zone]

26-49-270-0-2

That was his SB line vs TB 4 years ago, and it didn't tarnish a thing. It was just another game like last night where the line got outclassed leaving him zero time to process anything. No QB will ever succeed getting that type of pressure vs a 4 man rush. In all 3 SB losses, Tom Brady was pressured more than in any of his SB wins. That's how you beat the best QBs in history.

I will preface this by saying that Mahomes is obviously great, but I think it goes without saying that many want to annoint Mahome as the GOAT regardless of what happens. He is still 4 Super Bowl wins behind him, he was 0-2 vs Brady in the playoffs including in a Super Bowl (head to head stuff like that matters to most more than it should), and he already has thrown more INTs in the Super Bowl (7) than Brady (6) despite having played in half as many so far. He has a long way to go to catch Brady.

Exactly.

Mahomes still has a ways to go vs. Brady.

Ironic Mahomes has arguably his worst game of his career...with Tom Brady on the mic.

2025 Super Bowl: Chiefs blown out for second time shows Patrick Mahomes-Tom Brady comparisons need to stop

We can't talk about the Patriots vs. the Chiefs until Patrick Mahomes stops being blown out in the Super Bowl

www.cbssports.com

NOPE.
Mahomes has started 7 years. Won 3 Super Bowls. 3 for 7 = 43% championship winning percentage.
Tom Brady started 21 years. Won 7 Super Bowls. 7 for 21 = 33% championship winning percentage.

 

[kyoun1e]

26-49-270-0-2

That was his SB line vs TB 4 years ago, and it didn't tarnish a thing. It was just another game like last night where the line got outclassed leaving him zero time to process anything. No QB will ever succeed getting that type of pressure vs a 4 man rush. In all 3 SB losses, Tom Brady was pressured more than in any of his SB wins. That's how you beat the best QBs in history.

I will preface this by saying that Mahomes is obviously great, but I think it goes without saying that many want to annoint Mahome as the GOAT regardless of what happens. He is still 4 Super Bowl wins behind him, he was 0-2 vs Brady in the playoffs including in a Super Bowl (head to head stuff like that matters to most more than it should), and he already has thrown more INTs in the Super Bowl (7) than Brady (6) despite having played in half as many so far. He has a long way to go to catch Brady.

Exactly.

Mahomes still has a ways to go vs. Brady.

Ironic Mahomes has arguably his worst game of his career...with Tom Brady on the mic.

2025 Super Bowl: Chiefs blown out for second time shows Patrick Mahomes-Tom Brady comparisons need to stop

We can't talk about the Patriots vs. the Chiefs until Patrick Mahomes stops being blown out in the Super Bowl

www.cbssports.com

NOPE.
Mahomes has started 7 years. Won 3 Super Bowls. 3 for 7 = 43% championship winning percentage.
Tom Brady started 21 years. Won 7 Super Bowls. 7 for 21 = 33% championship winning percentage.

Lol. Never seen this math used for this argument.

Let's just revisit this whole thing in 5 years.

 

[Deamon]

26-49-270-0-2

That was his SB line vs TB 4 years ago, and it didn't tarnish a thing. It was just another game like last night where the line got outclassed leaving him zero time to process anything. No QB will ever succeed getting that type of pressure vs a 4 man rush. In all 3 SB losses, Tom Brady was pressured more than in any of his SB wins. That's how you beat the best QBs in history.

I will preface this by saying that Mahomes is obviously great, but I think it goes without saying that many want to annoint Mahome as the GOAT regardless of what happens. He is still 4 Super Bowl wins behind him, he was 0-2 vs Brady in the playoffs including in a Super Bowl (head to head stuff like that matters to most more than it should), and he already has thrown more INTs in the Super Bowl (7) than Brady (6) despite having played in half as many so far. He has a long way to go to catch Brady.

Exactly.

Mahomes still has a ways to go vs. Brady.

Ironic Mahomes has arguably his worst game of his career...with Tom Brady on the mic.

2025 Super Bowl: Chiefs blown out for second time shows Patrick Mahomes-Tom Brady comparisons need to stop

We can't talk about the Patriots vs. the Chiefs until Patrick Mahomes stops being blown out in the Super Bowl

www.cbssports.com

NOPE.
Mahomes has started 7 years. Won 3 Super Bowls. 3 for 7 = 43% championship winning percentage.
Tom Brady started 21 years. Won 7 Super Bowls. 7 for 21 = 33% championship winning percentage.

you can't seriously be using this math lol

 

[eighsse2]

26-49-270-0-2

That was his SB line vs TB 4 years ago, and it didn't tarnish a thing. It was just another game like last night where the line got outclassed leaving him zero time to process anything. No QB will ever succeed getting that type of pressure vs a 4 man rush. In all 3 SB losses, Tom Brady was pressured more than in any of his SB wins. That's how you beat the best QBs in history.

I will preface this by saying that Mahomes is obviously great, but I think it goes without saying that many want to annoint Mahome as the GOAT regardless of what happens. He is still 4 Super Bowl wins behind him, he was 0-2 vs Brady in the playoffs including in a Super Bowl (head to head stuff like that matters to most more than it should), and he already has thrown more INTs in the Super Bowl (7) than Brady (6) despite having played in half as many so far. He has a long way to go to catch Brady.

Exactly.

Mahomes still has a ways to go vs. Brady.

Ironic Mahomes has arguably his worst game of his career...with Tom Brady on the mic.

2025 Super Bowl: Chiefs blown out for second time shows Patrick Mahomes-Tom Brady comparisons need to stop

We can't talk about the Patriots vs. the Chiefs until Patrick Mahomes stops being blown out in the Super Bowl

www.cbssports.com

NOPE.
Mahomes has started 7 years. Won 3 Super Bowls. 3 for 7 = 43% championship winning percentage.
Tom Brady started 21 years. Won 7 Super Bowls. 7 for 21 = 33% championship winning percentage.

you can't seriously be using this math lol

Yeah. At the end of a career I'm fine with considering that a significant metric for comparison. So yeah, sure it shows he is on pace or better. But I would certainly expect that percentage to come down as his career continues.

 

[Deamon]

26-49-270-0-2

That was his SB line vs TB 4 years ago, and it didn't tarnish a thing. It was just another game like last night where the line got outclassed leaving him zero time to process anything. No QB will ever succeed getting that type of pressure vs a 4 man rush. In all 3 SB losses, Tom Brady was pressured more than in any of his SB wins. That's how you beat the best QBs in history.

I will preface this by saying that Mahomes is obviously great, but I think it goes without saying that many want to annoint Mahome as the GOAT regardless of what happens. He is still 4 Super Bowl wins behind him, he was 0-2 vs Brady in the playoffs including in a Super Bowl (head to head stuff like that matters to most more than it should), and he already has thrown more INTs in the Super Bowl (7) than Brady (6) despite having played in half as many so far. He has a long way to go to catch Brady.

Exactly.

Mahomes still has a ways to go vs. Brady.

Ironic Mahomes has arguably his worst game of his career...with Tom Brady on the mic.

2025 Super Bowl: Chiefs blown out for second time shows Patrick Mahomes-Tom Brady comparisons need to stop

We can't talk about the Patriots vs. the Chiefs until Patrick Mahomes stops being blown out in the Super Bowl

www.cbssports.com

NOPE.
Mahomes has started 7 years. Won 3 Super Bowls. 3 for 7 = 43% championship winning percentage.
Tom Brady started 21 years. Won 7 Super Bowls. 7 for 21 = 33% championship winning percentage.

you can't seriously be using this math lol

Yeah. At the end of a career I'm fine with considering that a significant metric for comparison. So yeah, sure it shows he is on pace or better. But I would certainly expect that percentage to come down as his career continues.

it's like the people who say Montana's 4-0 super bowl record is better than Brady's 7-3 super bowl record.

Like losing in Round 1 somehow makes you more clutch than losing in the Championship game lol

 

[ffmail4me]

I wish I would have sold high a few seasons ago in 1 QB leagues.

 

[Ray_T]

The frustrating part of that game was Andy Reid.

Repeatedly having Mahomes in deep drops while your line is getting caved in is coaching lunacy.

Quick step drops. Slants. Dump the ball in the flat. Move the pocket. Run some RPO's and get Mahomes moving off the snap. Give him a safety valve.

Instead all I saw were deep drops and long routes. Mahomes played like dog crap but his coaching staff let him down big time yesterday.

I love Reid, but their strategy for this game was poor. The best way to stop a pass rush is to run at it. They ran 3 times in the first half and 7 in total. That's horrendous. Even if you go 2 yards, at least make them have to play it to slow the DL down. Without the INTs it could have easily been PHI 10-0 at the half. And those INTs were bad, but caused by an OL that was awful. Reid has to do better.

you are not wrong. if you run more, the pass rush will slow down some as they focus more on gap control .... the eagles were not blitzing often (if at all)

usually when you have an issue with a strong pass rush, its because you are bringing extra people to get pressure. That usually means if you can run and get through the initial wave or get a short pass completed, the guy with the ball at that point usually has open field to run in and it becomes a big gainer.

thats not the way it played out. so the gains from this are maybe not as good as if a team were blitzing to get the pressure. but I agree it still would have been better.

the real problem is if your line is getting dominated it takes away an awful lot of options and your offense becomes predictable.

 

[BoltNlava]

Every great has fortune on his side, heck in Mahomes first year as a starter he lost to Brady in the AFCC OT game only after a neutral zone infraction that had negated a game ending INT thrown by Brady.

Also remember the Charger fumbling a interception late in the afccg... Marlon McCree? I think. I tend to block out these things. lol

 

[Dynasty]

That was a 2006 division round game. (and more of a great play by Troy Brown than a blunder by McCree).

The Patriots lost the next week in the AFC Championship game to the Colts (blowing a 21-3 lead). The Colts beat the Bears in the Super Bowl.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

The frustrating part of that game was Andy Reid.

Repeatedly having Mahomes in deep drops while your line is getting caved in is coaching lunacy.

Quick step drops. Slants. Dump the ball in the flat. Move the pocket. Run some RPO's and get Mahomes moving off the snap. Give him a safety valve.

Instead all I saw were deep drops and long routes. Mahomes played like dog crap but his coaching staff let him down big time yesterday.

I love Reid, but their strategy for this game was poor. The best way to stop a pass rush is to run at it. They ran 3 times in the first half and 7 in total. That's horrendous. Even if you go 2 yards, at least make them have to play it to slow the DL down. Without the INTs it could have easily been PHI 10-0 at the half. And those INTs were bad, but caused by an OL that was awful. Reid has to do better.

you are not wrong. if you run more, the pass rush will slow down some as they focus more on gap control .... the eagles were not blitzing often (if at all)

usually when you have an issue with a strong pass rush, its because you are bringing extra people to get pressure. That usually means if you can run and get through the initial wave or get a short pass completed, the guy with the ball at that point usually has open field to run in and it becomes a big gainer.

thats not the way it played out. so the gains from this are maybe not as good as if a team were blitzing to get the pressure. but I agree it still would have been better.

the real problem is if your line is getting dominated it takes away an awful lot of options and your offense becomes predictable.

Re the bolded, the Eagles had 0 blitzes or 1, depending on which stat provider you believe.

Re the last line, this is why the best teams tend to prioritize the trenches when building a roster.

 

[Faust]

Patrick Mahomes - Chiefs passing attack ready for 2025 breakout

 

[Faust]

Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs back working on the long ball

 

[Faust]

@32BeatWriters
“Xavier Worthy, Rashee Rice and Jalen Royals could be developing into something special. Thanks to being forced into the top role in 2024 after Rice’s injury, Worthy is likely ahead of his development curve. Before his injury, Rice was feasting — showing the ability to make plays all over the field. And if the rookie Royals continues to impress, he’s going to be fun to watch.”

https://x.com/32beatwriters/status/1931114438742229416?s=61

 

[Blue Wave]

Tough to trust PM as a stud this year if you owned him the last couple years. This very well COULD be his season to return to elite fantasy status, but I think a lot of previous years owners are going to avoid him.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Tough to trust PM as a stud this year if you owned him the last couple years. This very well COULD be his season to return to elite fantasy status, but I think a lot of previous years owners are going to avoid him.

Have had him since his rookie year and thought he would be a set and forget forever, last couple seasons have been a little rough for FF output. Hope this year we see some Pat of old from a FF standpoint.

 

[scothawk]

Ok so I think I want off this ride. Things could go either way for the franchise as a whole and the passing game after Kelce departs. Maybe we already saw the future during Kelce's recent decline.

Also I think Worthy is a gadget player and I think Rice is a punk who will be out of the league in a couple of years.

That being said. What can I expect to get for Mahomes in a start 2QB league?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

That being said. What can I expect to get for Mahomes in a start 2QB league?

Last year, mid-perceived decline, I was able to get Herbert, Nico, a LB2, and a 2026 1st for him.

I may have gotten over a smidge on that one, but dude had been hounding me for Mahomes for a year+.

 

[scothawk]

That being said. What can I expect to get for Mahomes in a start 2QB league?

Last year, mid-perceived decline, I was able to get Herbert, Nico, a LB2, and a 2026 1st for him.

I may have gotten over a smidge on that one, but dude had been hounding me for Mahomes for a year+.

That's a haul.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

That being said. What can I expect to get for Mahomes in a start 2QB league?

Last year, mid-perceived decline, I was able to get Herbert, Nico, a LB2, and a 2026 1st for him.

I may have gotten over a smidge on that one, but dude had been hounding me for Mahomes for a year+.

That's a haul.

Now that I think about it, it was in the offseason before last year. Still a good haul.

All you need is one person to believe Mahomes has another 50 TD season in him. Personally I don’t think he does simply becauseof their defensive improvements. They took a few hits in FA this year so

 

[scothawk]

That being said. What can I expect to get for Mahomes in a start 2QB league?

Last year, mid-perceived decline, I was able to get Herbert, Nico, a LB2, and a 2026 1st for him.

I may have gotten over a smidge on that one, but dude had been hounding me for Mahomes for a year+.

That's a haul.

Now that I think about it, it was in the offseason before last year. Still a good haul.

All you need is one person to believe Mahomes has another 50 TD season in him. Personally I don’t think he does simply becauseof their defensive improvements. They took a few hits in FA this year so

Yeah that timing would make more sense. I was able to acquire Nico around then in a few leagues without paying a king's ransom.

And right now 50TD seems for ever in the past.

 

[Marauder]

That being said. What can I expect to get for Mahomes in a start 2QB league?

Last year, mid-perceived decline, I was able to get Herbert, Nico, a LB2, and a 2026 1st for him.

I may have gotten over a smidge on that one, but dude had been hounding me for Mahomes for a year+.

That's a haul.

Now that I think about it, it was in the offseason before last year. Still a good haul.

All you need is one person to believe Mahomes has another 50 TD season in him. Personally I don’t think he does simply becauseof their defensive improvements. They took a few hits in FA this year so

Well, 50 TD passes is not a reasonable expectation for anybody. It's only happened 3 times in NFL history. Interestingly both Manning and Brady did it when they were older than Mahomes is now. That said, the idea that Mahomes is over the hill at age 29 seems very unlikely. It's common for elite QB's to have some of their best years in their 30's. He might be a good buy low in SF leagues now.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

That being said. What can I expect to get for Mahomes in a start 2QB league?

Last year, mid-perceived decline, I was able to get Herbert, Nico, a LB2, and a 2026 1st for him.

I may have gotten over a smidge on that one, but dude had been hounding me for Mahomes for a year+.

That's a haul.

Now that I think about it, it was in the offseason before last year. Still a good haul.

All you need is one person to believe Mahomes has another 50 TD season in him. Personally I don’t think he does simply becauseof their defensive improvements. They took a few hits in FA this year so

Well, 50 TD passes is not a reasonable expectation for anybody.

Well sure, my point was he did it once, so some out there believe he’ll do it again. Those are the people who you want to target if you’re looking to sell Mahomes.

It's only happened 3 times in NFL history. Interestingly both Manning and Brady did it when they were older than Mahomes is now. That said, the idea that Mahomes is over the hill at age 29 seems very unlikely. It's common for elite QB's to have some of their best years in their 30's. He might be a good buy low in SF leagues now.

I’m not sure there’s ever a real buy low on Mahomes. Last offseason (2023 headed to 2024) he was coming off of a 4183 / 27 / 14 season, and you see the haul I was able to get for him.

He’s still very much considered the set it and forget it QB to own - while I may have been able to squeeze every last drop of value out of dealing him, I think he’s still going to cost a pretty penny in trade. It’s the tantalizing upside he represents. Like you said- it’s possible his best seasons are ahead of him. I’m skeptical he tops his prior best seasons, but sure, I can see him maybe throwing 4500 / 35 again.

Anyone selling Mahomes isn’t selling low, IMO.

 

[LawFitz]

I think much of Mahomes' decline in stats the last couple years has to do with lack of adequate weapons around him, combined with a stout and perenially underrated defense. Chiefs' winning strategy since Tyreek left has been to play great D, keep the games close, and then let Mahomes bring it home in the 4th quarter when (often) needed. Reminds me of much of Brady's career, so not shocking this strategy resulted in two lombardies.

If the above is reasonably true, the questions for each future year (for fantasy QB stats) would then be:

- How does the latest defense stack up?

- How do the latest weapons stack up? ... I cannot speak for the defense, but I think Rice and his twinzy (on paper) Jalen Royals could be huge upgrades, health permitting, from last year. If those two start cooking, X Worthy could be the perfect compliment as a legit field-stretching deep threat.

 

[Faust]

Patrick Mahomes: We have so many weapons, just have to maximize them

 

[Faust]

Chiefs QB Patrick Mahomes ready to leave Super Bowl loss behind in 2025: 'Let's just play football'

 

[Dynasty]

Patrick Mahomes called 'fat and an embarrassment' in shock rant by Kansas City radio host

Is this a real story locally? Or is it just a blowhard local radio guy being outrageous for the attention?

“Vacation photos are popping up of Patrick Mahomes, and he’s fat. I’m gonna say it, and I’m gonna tell you the truth, he’s an embarrassment,” Kietzman asserted bluntly. He intensified his criticism: “Stop the fast food. Do a sit-up. Do something.”

Kietzman...expressed horror that the quarterback “eating Taco Bell all the time and Door-Dashing fried chicken” would appear “fat” at his pool “hanging out with us, 60-year-olds.”

 

[JohnnyU]

rollie pollie

 

[warpig33]

I gotta preface this by saying I hate the Chiefs. Unfortunately, all my kids are Chiefs fans. But even I gotta say that offense has the potential to be SCARY! Worthy + Brown + Rice = SPEED! Toss in Kelce and the 3 headed RBBC (Pacheco, Hunt and Mitchell). This Brashard guy is an unknown but people are saying he is sneaky good. And the front 7 of the defense is still pretty much intact. Now if one of those WRs gets hurt, the depth is pretty . But knowing the chiefs, they'll pick up some stud that a less skilled front office ignorantly let go (for whatever reason) or trade peanuts for and they won't skip a beat. There's a reason people think there is a conspiracy theory the league is setting up the Chiefs to be the next Patriots dynasty. Barring major injury I could totally see Mahomes hitting 50 TDs again.

 

[JohnnyU]

I gotta preface this by saying I hate the Chiefs. Unfortunately, all my kids are Chiefs fans. But even I gotta say that offense has the potential to be SCARY! Worthy + Brown + Rice = SPEED! Toss in Kelce and the 3 headed RBBC (Pacheco, Hunt and Mitchell). This Brashard guy is an unknown but people are saying he is sneaky good. And the front 7 of the defense is still pretty much intact. Now if one of those WRs gets hurt, the depth is pretty . But knowing the chiefs, they'll pick up some stud that a less skilled front office ignorantly let go (for whatever reason) or trade peanuts for and they won't skip a beat. There's a reason people think there is a conspiracy theory the league is setting up the Chiefs to be the next Patriots dynasty. Barring major injury I could totally see Mahomes hitting 50 TDs again.

or 50 hot dogs.

 

[warpig33]

I gotta preface this by saying I hate the Chiefs. Unfortunately, all my kids are Chiefs fans. But even I gotta say that offense has the potential to be SCARY! Worthy + Brown + Rice = SPEED! Toss in Kelce and the 3 headed RBBC (Pacheco, Hunt and Mitchell). This Brashard guy is an unknown but people are saying he is sneaky good. And the front 7 of the defense is still pretty much intact. Now if one of those WRs gets hurt, the depth is pretty . But knowing the chiefs, they'll pick up some stud that a less skilled front office ignorantly let go (for whatever reason) or trade peanuts for and they won't skip a beat. There's a reason people think there is a conspiracy theory the league is setting up the Chiefs to be the next Patriots dynasty. Barring major injury I could totally see Mahomes hitting 50 TDs again.

or 50 hot dogs.

He's rocking the dad bod. It happens.