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QB Philip Rivers, RET (1 Viewer)
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Gr00vus
Footballguy
That's my pair in the league I took Rivers also. Though I'm thinking Dalton will probably get more starts for me based on match ups.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
So how are we feeling about Sunday @AZ?
I have a major concern with Game 2 vs Seattle though.
The rest of the schedule looks pretty sweet until Week 16 @SF.
I have a major concern with Game 2 vs Seattle though.
The rest of the schedule looks pretty sweet until Week 16 @SF.
Run It Up
Footballguy
Gr00vus
Footballguy
I'm probably doing the opposite. Even if the defenses were equal (and I think the Cardinals are better than the Ravens here), while Allen isn't a slouch, Dalton has A.J. to throw to which gives him a slight edge.
Run It Up
Footballguy
Just some food for thought. In the past 3 years Dalton has 6 passing TDs and 11 interceptions (7 of which were from last year) against the Ravens.
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Gr00vus
Footballguy
That's interesting stuff. Ints don't factor into the QB scoring in this particular league, but it's still indicative of the problems Dalton has had with the Ravens.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
O.k. You guys have convinced me to go with Rivers. Plus I'll get to see him play Monday night.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Wiz comes to town; Rivers has a great season.
Wiz goes to Tennessee, Locker looks great and Rivers looks bad again.
Simple math.
Wiz goes to Tennessee, Locker looks great and Rivers looks bad again.
Simple math.
drfeelgood
Footballguy
Dropped passes and bad routes have been more prominent than Rivers throwing bad throws.
Saint
Footballguy
Run It Up
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
This was advised about before. I think the Cards' defense might still be good, even excellent, despite the predictions they would decline. And if so opening with AZ (opening, at home, on MNF, with a playoff season in their sites) & SEA is a really tough 2 game stretch, as it turns out unstartable.
However - what I found really worrisome was the lack of use of Woodhead. I had been thinking that people were underestimating the effect of McCoy on the offense last year versus just Wiz, but it's in the use of Woodhead or lack thereof where we see a difference. Those RB patterns are a QB's best friend. Getting a No. 4 (2013) QB at bargain basement was probably too good to be true.
Run It Up
Footballguy
The amount of times Rivers threw it underneath to a guy being covered by 2 or 3 dudes, while Woodhead is in the other crossing route completely uncovered with the closest guy being 20 yards upfield blew my mind. Worst tunnel vision I've ever seen from Rivers.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Benching him for Locker, who is playing Dallas.
True. but the missed snap and having to blow a timeout at the end reflects all on Rivers. I think Rivers is a really good QB, but those were two huge mistakes at pivotal moments, costing them the game. If he just catches that snap and throws the ball away, they at least have a shot to kick a FG and go up 20-12.
zamboni
Footballguy
I know you meant Chargers defense, but good point.
We saw Rivers' pass attempts go down during the second half of last year as the defense improved. And with a good stable of RBs, the need to chuck the ball all over the field has diminished from where it was during the first half of 2013.
People that drafted Rivers with the expectation that it would be bombs away are likely to come away disappointed.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Jake Locker over him this week.
MCguidance
Footballguy
Is this guy in for a top 5 season? He has the weapons (although Mathews going down stings a bit).
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Maybe. I don't think he'll put up single season record breaking type numbers. They'll still try to run the ball. So against teams that let them do so I'd imagine he'll have more average days. Then again those were 2 of the toughest, if not the 2 toughest, defenses he'll see this season. The Bills D looks solid this week though. Anyway, he's a legitimate top 12 FF QB. For where he was taken in redrafts, he should be giving teams a nice advantage.
shadyridr
Footballguy
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I'm still baffled as to why his ADP was so low this summer. He has averaged 30 TDs a season since 2008 and was coming off a very strong season, yet many were acting like he was no better than a very good backup fantasy QB. I don't get it.
Ned Ryerson
Footballguy
I had him to back up Brees last year. He was awesome the first 5 weeks fantasy wise.
That said, from weeks 6 - 16 when the offense was a great deal run heavier, his average game was 260 yds and 1.7 TDs, which when extrapolated out over a season is 4160/27 TDs. That is roughly what Big Ben or Brady did last year.
If you were led to believe that the team was going to lean towards the run more, and you thought that games 6 - 16 were the real Rivers, then he was drafted exactly where he should have been, as a good backup, who has a limited upside because he offers nothing with his feet.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I wish this guy would stop playing well. He's taking all of the fun out of this thread. 
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
You know, I saw this all wrong. Classic glass is half empty thing. The drops meant that Rivers was being undervalued, at least by me, judging buy the Seattle game.Really bad play by WRs tonight. Even Gates dropped a simple catch.
How do people see the Mathews injury impacting things going forward?
MCguidance
Footballguy
2014 bargain.
Philip Rivers earns MVP consideration with play:
http://espn.go.com/blog/san-diego-chargers/post/_/id/7261/philip-rivers-earns-mvp-consideration-with-play
http://espn.go.com/blog/san-diego-chargers/post/_/id/7261/philip-rivers-earns-mvp-consideration-with-play
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
How awesome was that?
And Allen is alive again.
It looks like Rivers will be slinging it more than ever with Mathews out.
And Allen is alive again.
It looks like Rivers will be slinging it more than ever with Mathews out.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Tau837
Footballguy
The thread title should stay exactly the same. It serves as an amusing reminder about those like LHUCKS and Pasquino who jumped on that bandwagon years ago, and, in some cases, stubbornly stuck with it even in the face of all evidence to the contrary.
Also, Rivers led the NFL last season in PFF's same accuracy metric, so this is just a continuation.
Do people generally think Rivers can sustain this level of play for the entire season? I realize this production is more or less a continuation of last season, when he finished in the 6-8 range among QB's. He looks like he's at the top of his game, but the matchups are going to get tougher than the last 2 weeks and I can't imagine he'll be able to do what he did to the Seahawks in every tough matchup. Wondering if he's a sell high or a hold right now.
Great leaders have great games in tough match ups. The Seattle game should tell you all you need to know about how this guy performs. This is an all pro guy who had a bad stretch when the team was in disarray and he was playing through an injury. He'll be smoking it all the way through....
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