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QB Sam Darnold, SEA (3 Viewers)

Dr. Octopus said:
His game against Penn State was one of the most impressive college QB performances I have ever watched - it was surely something that made me feel good about drafting him, even if his follow up college season was relatively disappointing.
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And on the bright side, the Giants fans I know have stopped #####ing about them drafting Barkley over Darnold, so that makes me happy as a Penn State fan even though Barkley has been hurt too much. 

 
I think this is a game of adjustments. Darnold came out of the gate hot, now the Defenses are adjusting and the competition has gotten better... and Darnold hasn't responded yet. I need to see a response because the ####show he had in NY... I saw him fight and scrap to try and make things better. He hasn't shown any of that in Carolina so far.

 
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ConstruxBoy said:
I think they just stick with Darnold to be honest. See what he can do, or rather, if he can do more. You do play some other poorer teams so maybe he looks good again in those. Then try to find a QB in the offseason. I don't really see it in Walker. But the coaches do, then maybe get him so work again later in the year. 
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They have $19M sunk into Sam for next year and their 2d rd pick.  I dont know how they can compete with Miami/Philly for Watson.  Too much $ to sign another good QB.   I think they draft a QB next year and let him fight it out with Sam for 2022.  Paying $19M and a rookie is not awful - plus the rook can actually sit for a year if needed.  If Sam gets better somehow thats not a bad problem to have....

 
Kiddnets said:
They have $19M sunk into Sam for next year and their 2d rd pick.  I dont know how they can compete with Miami/Philly for Watson.  Too much $ to sign another good QB.   I think they draft a QB next year and let him fight it out with Sam for 2022.  Paying $19M and a rookie is not awful - plus the rook can actually sit for a year if needed.  If Sam gets better somehow thats not a bad problem to have....
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Yep. I'm sure the Panthers were hoping to not use their first on a QB next season, especially with their 2nd going to the Jets. But unless Darnold looks better as the year goes on, I don't think you can wait until the third round. And I agree that their trade capital is too low to make a big trade. 

They're also still a really young team so I don't think it's a panic situation. Keep developing and playing the young guys. 

 
Packers coach Matt Rhule said Sam Darnold (concussion/shoulder) was "extremely limited" in Wednesday's practice.

Darnold suffered a concussion in the fourth quarter of the Panthers' Week 8 win over the Falcons and did not return. It's likely that he suffered the shoulder injury on the same play. Even if it was a more limited practice than the typical "limited" status, it's an optimistic start to the week for Darnold for his long-term health. It doesn't sound like he's going to miss much time, if any, though P.J. Walker handled every first-team rep in Wednesday's practice. ESPN's David Newton expects Walker to start against New England. Walker has been a turnover and sack-absorbing machine in the NFL.

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P.J. Walker

SOURCE: David Newton on Twitter

Nov 3, 2021, 2:50 PM ET
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Sam Darnold (shoulder, concussion) remained "limited" on Thursday. 

We would like to see Darnold go full on Friday, but back-to-back limiteds do have him on track to start against the Patriots after departing last week's loss early. It's unclear if that is good news for the Panthers, as the way Darnold is running right now, he is basically primed to get completely erased by Patriots game planner Bill Belichick. Darnold is a bottom-three fantasy option for Week 9, to the point that he is affecting D.J. Moore's status. 

Nov 4, 2021, 2:26 PM ET
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Panthers QB Sam Darnold has cleared concussion protocol, but he is questionable with a shoulder injury for Week 9.

Panthers coach Matt Rhule said on Friday that the shoulder is "as much of an issue as the concussion" for Darnold, so his status for Week 9 against the Patriots is very much up in the air, even though he's no longer in the concussion protocol. Darnold will test his shoulder pregame and a decision will be made from there. If he's inactive, P.J. Walker would start at quarterback for Carolina.

SOURCE: Ian Rapoport on Twitter

Nov 6, 2021, 4:15 PM ET
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ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the Panthers plan for Sam Darnold (shoulder) to start in Week 9 against the Patriots.

The previous report on Darnold was that the team was hopeful he would play or at least be active. It sounds like things have progressed well for Darnold and he'll only need to survive pre-game warmups to get the go-ahead. After a string of dismal performances from Darnold, health is far from the only concern for him. Even if he is confirmed to be the starter, he'll only be viable as a QB2 in Superflex leagues this week.

SOURCE: Adam Schefter on Twitter

Nov 7, 2021, 10:16 AM ET
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Bill lives rent free in his head. 

They thought they were upgrading for future going from Bridgewater to Darnold.....

Bridgewater is going to be starting in the league longer. Speaking of Teddy. He's been on 3 teams in 3 years I think. And he's currently the best QB today if you plop him on any of these teams.

 
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Sam Darnold completed 16-of-33 passes for 172 yards, zero touchdowns and three interceptions in the Panthers' 24-6, Week 9 loss to the Patriots. 

Frankly, it's a major upset Darnold made it 60 minutes, as he was the worst player on the field for either team this afternoon. The bottomed-out quarterback now has seven passing scores to 11 interceptions through his first nine starts as a Panther, with zero of those scores coming in his past five starts. Including rushing touchdowns, Darnold has found the end zone two times in his past five games. We aren't really sure what the team is waiting for when it comes to making a change, but Darnold's Week 9 miscues are going to give coach Matt Rhule heartburn all week. INT No. 1 was an 88-yard pick six where Darnold made a wildly inaccurate throw on the run. No. 2 was to leaping linebacker Jamie Collins over the middle of the field. No. 3 was an inexcusable mistake in the end zone where J.C. Jackson ran D.J. Moore's route for him and Darnold uncorked the pass anyways. Bringing his entire offense down with him, Darnold will be a bottom 2-3 option for Week 10 vs. the Cardinals.

- NBC SportsEDGE
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Looks like the Jets gave the Panthers their very own Trojan Horse!

Signed only half-jokingly,

RrEeNnTt FrREeEEe

 
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Darnold is arguably the worst starting QB in the NFL. Its amazing that they decided to back him up with PJ Walker(who is much worse than Darnold) so they have zero alternatives. 

Their best offense this week was probably when they snapped it directly to DJ Moore. Just do that, with jet sweep and read option stuff with CMC. At least you won't have pick-6s and bushels of turnovers. 

Would Rivers come out of retirement for this job, or was that just a NO offer?

 
travdogg said:
Darnold is arguably the worst starting QB in the NFL. Its amazing that they decided to back him up with PJ Walker(who is much worse than Darnold) so they have zero alternatives. 

Their best offense this week was probably when they snapped it directly to DJ Moore. Just do that, with jet sweep and read option stuff with CMC. At least you won't have pick-6s and bushels of turnovers. 

Would Rivers come out of retirement for this job, or was that just a NO offer?
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I think he's in the discussion for worst qbs in nfl history to play so many games. Even the second ####tiest qb in the league could at least feed Moore and score a few points. Completely useless, panthers are going to have to go to the backup.

 
voiceofunreason said:
I think he's in the discussion for worst qbs in nfl history to play so many games. Even the second ####tiest qb in the league could at least feed Moore and score a few points. Completely useless, panthers are going to have to go to the backup.
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Problem is, its PJ Walker, who is worse in every way. Maybe Cam will come back?

 
travdogg said:
Darnold is arguably the worst starting QB in the NFL. Its amazing that they decided to back him up with PJ Walker(who is much worse than Darnold) so they have zero alternatives. 

Their best offense this week was probably when they snapped it directly to DJ Moore. Just do that, with jet sweep and read option stuff with CMC. At least you won't have pick-6s and bushels of turnovers. 

Would Rivers come out of retirement for this job, or was that just a NO offer?
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Who's arguing?

 
travdogg said:
Darnold is arguably the worst starting QB in the NFL. Its amazing that they decided to back him up with PJ Walker(who is much worse than Darnold) so they have zero alternatives. 

Their best offense this week was probably when they snapped it directly to DJ Moore. Just do that, with jet sweep and read option stuff with CMC. At least you won't have pick-6s and bushels of turnovers. 

Would Rivers come out of retirement for this job, or was that just a NO offer?
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You can’t be a Jets fan? You are soo much smarter 

 
I was on a family hike so I didn't see any of the game but it sounds like he was putrid. Of course, sounds like he played about as well as Josh Allen did yesterday so that's something, right?

Right?!?

 
Its not bad enough they invested some decent draft capital in Sam but he's on the books for $18M next yr....as a Jets fan that was the driving force behind me wanting to deal him.  I (and a lot of other JEts fans) thought he had talent and was Gased but also had a lot of flaws that were concerning after 3 yrs.  I really thought a better coaching staff and playmakers would help him to at least be an avg QB...he looks absolutely lost.  What a shame.  

 
I picked him up last year on a dynasty team just to see how a change of scenery might affect him.  

Between injuries (Winston Barkley, Sanders) and Watson's legal issues, I'm pretty much in tank mode for draft position, so I'm happy to roll him out every week for single digits.  

 
Kiddnets said:
Its not bad enough they invested some decent draft capital in Sam but he's on the books for $18M next yr....as a Jets fan that was the driving force behind me wanting to deal him.  I (and a lot of other JEts fans) thought he had talent and was Gased but also had a lot of flaws that were concerning after 3 yrs.  I really thought a better coaching staff and playmakers would help him to at least be an avg QB...he looks absolutely lost.  What a shame.  
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Zac Wilson  QBR of 25, 57% completion rate, and a 4:9 TD/INT rate.   Of QBs with 50+ passing attempts, he's worst.  NYJ would be better with Darnold.  They wouldn't be good or even average, just better.

 
Brunell4MVP said:
Zac Wilson  QBR of 25, 57% completion rate, and a 4:9 TD/INT rate.   Of QBs with 50+ passing attempts, he's worst.  NYJ would be better with Darnold.  They wouldn't be good or even average, just better.
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Are you really comparing a rookie kid who was just drafted out of BYU, played 5 games with a rookie coaching staff to Sam who was dropped into a very good situation after playing 3 full seasons?  Not to mention to $5M cap hit for 3 more season for Wilson vs the $18M for Sam next yr?  Moving on from Sam is one of the few smart things the Jets have done in the last decade.....

 
Brunell4MVP said:
Zac Wilson  QBR of 25, 57% completion rate, and a 4:9 TD/INT rate.   Of QBs with 50+ passing attempts, he's worst.  NYJ would be better with Darnold.  They wouldn't be good or even average, just better.
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There is no way any team would prefer Darnold over Wilson, not one. Not even Carolina. 

 
Brunell4MVP said:
Zac Wilson  QBR of 25, 57% completion rate, and a 4:9 TD/INT rate.   Of QBs with 50+ passing attempts, he's worst.  NYJ would be better with Darnold.  They wouldn't be good or even average, just better.
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If you actually believe this...

 I'll point out that Wilson is a rookie (that does not have Christan McCaffrey or DJ Moore on his team) and this is Year 4 for Darnold and hopefully you can come to the right conclusion on your own.

 
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Panthers head coach Matt Rhule said Sam Darnold will have an MRI on his injured shoulder. 

Darnold losing his starting gig with an injury would be the least painful way for Carolina to pull the plug on their failed experiment with a quarterback destined to become a journeyman backup. Rhule was noncommittal on Darnold as the team's starter if he's healthy enough to play. P.J. Walker would start for Carolina in Week 10 against the Cardinals if Darnold is sidelined. No one's idea of a reliable, accurate signal caller, it's hard to imagine Walker could be worse than Darnold, who has two touchdowns and eight interceptions over this past five games. 

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P.J. Walker

SOURCE: Ian Rapoport on Twitter

Nov 8, 2021, 12:28 PM ET
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Dr. Octopus said:
If you actually believe this...

Ok I won't put myself in a position to get a vacation here. I'll point out that Wilson is a rookie (that does not have Christan McCaffrey or DJ Moore on his team) and this is Year 4 for Darnold and hopefully you can come to the right conclusion on your own.
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Pretty much this.

Zach Wilson is a somewhat disappointing rookie QB, who has had multiple injuries to his pass catchers(Moore, Crowder, and Davis all missed time) but has made a few really impressive throws, and has mostly been gulity of trying to do too much. He's still got a solid future, and hasn't really looked any different than Lawrence, or Fields, or Lance. 

Darnold is in his 4th season and has never strung together even 3 good games. He looks like a low end backup QB, who will probably hang around the league for a few years but is likely already done getting starter chances. Basically less successful Mark Sanchez.

 
NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports Sam Darnold (shoulder) is considered "day-to-day."

Panthers coach Matt Rhule already noted that he needs to see what Darnold looks like in practice on Wednesday before giving him the greenlight. Even if Darnold is healthy enough to suit up, there's no guarantee Rhule chooses to start him over P.J. Walker. After a solid start to the year, Darnold has returned to his Jet' form and then some, throwing four touchdowns to ten interceptions in his last six games. The last time he threw a touchdown was in Week 6. Walker may not be an upgrade over Darnold but it will be hard for him to be worse. D.J. Moore is the only usable receiver or tight end on this team for fantasy purposes and even he gets downgraded to a WR2 because of his poor quarterback play.

SOURCE: Ian Rapoport on Twitter

Nov 8, 2021, 4:47 PM ET
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NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports that Panthers QB Sam Darnold is expected to miss "several weeks" with a fractured scapula.

Darnold was previously considered day-to-day, but he'll now be out longer after testing revealed he has a fractured scapula. Backup quarterback P.J. Walker will fill in for the foreseeable future with Darnold on the mend. The USC product hasn't exactly played well lately, so there's a chance Walker could take the job outright if he plays well over the next few weeks.

SOURCE: Ian Rapoport on Twitter

Nov 9, 2021, 7:13 PM ET
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Kiddnets said:
Its not bad enough they invested some decent draft capital in Sam but he's on the books for $18M next yr....as a Jets fan that was the driving force behind me wanting to deal him.  I (and a lot of other JEts fans) thought he had talent and was Gased but also had a lot of flaws that were concerning after 3 yrs.  I really thought a better coaching staff and playmakers would help him to at least be an avg QB...he looks absolutely lost.  What a shame.  
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Yeah, it's a shame. Seems like a decent guy. 

 
ConstruxBoy said:
Yeah, it's a shame. Seems like a decent guy. 
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very good kid...just hasnt developed....now has to be considered an injury risk on top of it as hes had multi week injury every year....he's likely a career backup at this point.  What a shame.  Had high hopes for him. 

 
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