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No - it was to address swelling, and was described as "routine and "not a setback" at the time. One report I'd read said it wasn't "surgery" so much as a biologic injection (PRP) to aid with swelling in rehab.
Regardless of the phrasing. Going back into the knee to address swelling is not a good thing. That would be a setback.
Out of those three? Closest to Daniel Jones, and you know how that worked out.
Better arm talent than all three. Not sure if he can improve mentally when things are not going his way. Putting him on a less talented roster will not help which makes me wonder if he would be willing to take a reasonable deal to stay with MIN if they had any interest.
He's not under contract any longer either and with so many QB needy teams his market might be bigger then people think, should be a decent amount more then the Vikings paid Darnold this past year and a lot more then they might want to pay Jones.
Agree with what you are saying on their talent and a less talented roster won't help him but while I do think he did cost himself a large chunk of money with his play the last two weeks I still think he did enough during the season to get a decent contract as a starting QB in this league. He just dropped from the Goff type of money into Baker/Geno land. I think he'll have a better shot of obtaining that from a team without a QB in waiting and he's probably be aware that his leash or time as the starting QB was extremely short and if he was signed to a Mayfield/Geno type deal he'd just be trade bait once JJ took over. So my guess is he won't put a lot of stock in MIN being a good situation because he'd know that situation is tenuous.
So you're ok with 3400 yards / 28 TDs and a "few more pieces"? That would put Dimes in the bottom half of the league as far as QB play goes. As suggested above, his market is likely more than most are admitting right now. So, maybe you get Dimes for $12-15 mil on a 1 or 2 year deal? That gives you 25-28mil to resign your guys and add pieces. How many actual difference makers are you getting for that?
There is a flip side risk that needs to be accounted for and that is what if Darnold is the same guy he's always been before the perfect storm of this season? That means the 12-15 million for dimes is money better spent than coughing up 30+million for the same or less production.
No doubt. There's also the chance that we get 2500/10TD/20INT from Danny Dimes and JJM never plays a snap in the NFL. At the end of the day, as GM, you want to put your team in the best position to make the playoffs and advance as possible. Right now, without seeing JJM play or knowing if he's going to be ready, that best option is to franchise Darnold.
Or a normal follow-up procedure. Which is how it was described.
This seems to be a very 1-sided affair.
No, I don’t believe 250M was ever on the table.
I can (mostly) agree with this. I have him top
KOC has built an environment in which QB's that want to rehab their image go to him. If Dimes is more concerned about an extra few dollars than a comeback, then this isn't gonna work anyway. Move onto someone else. Reality is if there is a market for him at this price elsewhere on a bad team, I think he signs for less $ to be paired with KOC.
Or if they don’t believe in JJM
Of course, but there a much MUCH bigger problems in the Vikings front office if they don't believe in JJ after seeing him for a month of OTA and a few weeks of camp with a good preseason cameo intertwined.
Zero, LOL. The team that didn't offer Cousins 30 M per season is going to franchise Darnold for 40 M? According to KOC, the Vikings already have a franchise QB in the building and his name isn't Sam Darnold.
....you mean other than winning the last two Super Bowls?
Are we talking FF or real life?
I was looking at it from a real life QB perspective.
If Geno Smith is somehow available, he should be the clear cut #1 option in my eyes. I think Geno is incredibly underrated. That "unbelievable" pressure Darnold couldn't handle against the Rams, Geno faces that every week regardless of opponent. Put Geno behind an OL, and I think he could be a Goff level player. He's a top-10 QB in my eyes.
25% of all super bowl wins were rookie qb contracts. I'd say that's not bad.
I'd be willing to bet that neither Geno nor Darnold would want to return to the Jets.
lol - exactly.
www.cbssports.com
The Rams did a really nice job actually.
I think there's no doubt it cost him money, the debate is how much. For the most part I'm guessing they had formed their opinions on him so I think his value fell some but maybe not as much as some others are speculating. But performing poorly in those games showed his play got worse when it counted most. If he had come out and played lights out and led his teams to win and maybe got the Vikes to the Super Bowl his value would have increased some but still think ceiling was capped.
I don't think that's any different than people thought going into the season though. In fact, it's significantly greater than was expected of him going into the season. The expectation was that he'd lose his job by week 7, after the BYE. This was widely discussed, and emphasized after JJM looked good in the preseason. If you told Vikings fans that they'd be a playoff team & win 14 games, they would have laughed in your face.
Another factor was how good Stafford was. He'd looked like garbage for weeks coming into that game, then got a week off. He came out and played efficiently, leading his team on long drives, keeping that LAR defense rested the entire game.
Absolutely. OTOH it’s a leap a franchise needs to take and either be right or wrong. It really does the franchise no good to be two years into JJM without knowing if he’s an answer.
Agree with much of what you wrote, still think his value has gone done a bit over last two weeks, but Darnold will be setting the price? Not sure if you thought that through that but that statement is a bit out there.
It’s pretty much what the agent in that link above is saying.
All I meant by naming his price is that he & his agent will have a number in mind & Teams will have to meet it.
I fully expect Danny 10-pennies to want to start somewhere.
That was me in the heyday of working in IT.
Yeah, but I’m not a GM.
