QB Sam Darnold, SEA (3 Viewers)

[rockaction]

they can still continue developing O'Connell if they believe in him

Saw a blurb that they’re “open to moving” AOC.

I don't think that's news until there's somebody "open to overpaying" for him.

I carp not at you for delivering the information, but for the journalist and guy in Raiders front office that felt this was necessary to leak/clarify.

 

[rockaction]

I'm guessing I'll be in the minority, but I think Geno>>>>Darnold

Nope. I agree with you. Darnold turtled last year when teams brought pressure. What will he do behind a patchwork line?

 

[MAC_32]

I'm guessing I'll be in the minority, but I think Geno>>>>Darnold

Nope. I agree with you. Darnold turtled last year when teams brought pressure. What will he do behind a patchwork line?

Occam's razor - the same thing he's always done. For his sake, hopefully these Seattle leaks are orchestrated to get him more $ elsewhere.

 

[rockaction]

Occam's razor - the same thing he's always done. For his sake, hopefully these Seattle leaks are orchestrated to get him more $ elsewhere.

Yep to all of that. This is straight from the department of all things unlearned that shouldn't have been. We got to see the ghosts come back in the Detroit game. Oof.

 

[-OZ-]

leaves Seattle without anything.

I still think Howell would do alright if the Seahawks prioritize the OLine.

 

[efactor]

I'm guessing I'll be in the minority, but I think Geno>>>>Darnold

Nope. I agree with you. Darnold turtled last year when teams brought pressure. What will he do behind a patchwork line?

And without Jefferson, Addison and Hockenson to throw the ball too. JSN is a good WR, but come on, Jefferson is other worldly

 

[TheDirtyWord]

I'm probably more bullish on Darnold than alot of folks...while perhaps not in this thread, in others advocating for his next 'stop'.

Was MIN a great situation? Yes.

But it feels like that's being discounted, but his performance has not been given the same discount when for instance Robbie Chosen was his WR1 in NY. An honest assessment of Darnold's career to this point has to include that for the first 5 seasons of his career, he may have been with the two worst organizations in the NFL.

For sure those last two games put some brakes on the momentum I think he had built heading into this offseason. But his body of work in 2024 was legit studly and he reunites with Kuboak is SEA winds up being his destination.

Will he repeat 2024? Probably not, but I do think he's proven himself as a starter in this league and I think the pendulum has swung to far in the direction of Darnold being a chump type signing.

 

[JohnnyU]

they can still continue developing O'Connell if they believe in him

Saw a blurb that they’re “open to moving” AOC.

Doesn’t there have to be a shortage of Skittles to give him value?

 

[Ray_T]

Seahawks going to make a run at him now?

Reportedly yes - also Giants & TEN.

Of the 3 the Seahawks are the best run franchise but tough division.

Darnold behind THAT OL is asking for trouble. Every week could look like the Rams playoff game.

Yeah, if Seattle is smart, they draft an OL and sign a second to rebuild that line. It will be a problem

And when they trade DK they can upgrade their OL even more. Gotta build there.

ideally they trade DK for an O lineman

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I'm probably more bullish on Darnold than alot of folks...while perhaps not in this thread, in others advocating for his next 'stop'.

Was MIN a great situation? Yes.

But it feels like that's being discounted, but his performance has not been given the same discount when for instance Robbie Chosen was his WR1 in NY. An honest assessment of Darnold's career to this point has to include that for the first 5 seasons of his career, he may have been with the two worst organizations in the NFL.

For sure those last two games put some brakes on the momentum I think he had built heading into this offseason. But his body of work in 2024 was legit studly and he reunites with Kuboak is SEA winds up being his destination.

Will he repeat 2024? Probably not, but I do think he's proven himself as a starter in this league and I think the pendulum has swung to far in the direction of Darnold being a chump type signing.

I think the middle ground is what he showed in CAR with a slightly above average receiving core. Not as good as a situation as MIN, not as bad as the NY Football Giants.

I’m with you - he showed me plenty in MIN, and isn’t getting nearly enough credit for his 4300+ yard season.

 

[Ray_T]

I'm probably more bullish on Darnold than alot of folks...while perhaps not in this thread, in others advocating for his next 'stop'.

Was MIN a great situation? Yes.

But it feels like that's being discounted, but his performance has not been given the same discount when for instance Robbie Chosen was his WR1 in NY. An honest assessment of Darnold's career to this point has to include that for the first 5 seasons of his career, he may have been with the two worst organizations in the NFL.

For sure those last two games put some brakes on the momentum I think he had built heading into this offseason. But his body of work in 2024 was legit studly and he reunites with Kuboak is SEA winds up being his destination.

Will he repeat 2024? Probably not, but I do think he's proven himself as a starter in this league and I think the pendulum has swung to far in the direction of Darnold being a chump type signing.

hey, I'm all for giving a QB credit where credit is due. He played better than I've ever seen him play. but on the flip side of the coin, he had some of the best WR in the league and a very good offensive coach to help him out.

I think his value will largely depend on where he inevitably lands.

Geno, for example had DK, lockett, and Smith-Njigba to throw to (forgive me if I spelled his name wrong) Thats as good a set of WR as you're gonna get. Darnold had Jefferson and Addison and a solid #3 in Nailor who might be good enough to be a #2 on some teams.

the situation is excellent in both cases.

I'm not predicting good things for Geno as hes going to a place where the WR depth is nowhere close to what it was in Seattle. with Darnold, I think it truly depends on where the guy lands. and that is an unknown at this point but given the likely landing spots I doubt the situation will be as good as it was in Minny. so my question is how big is the dropoff likely to be?

 

[Donnybrook]

https://x.com/thorku/status/1898188040415199583/photo/1

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

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I'm not predicting good things for Geno as hes going to a place where the WR depth is nowhere close to what it was in Seattle. with Darnold, I think it truly depends on where the guy lands. and that is an unknown at this point but given the likely landing spots I doubt the situation will be as good as it was in Minny. so my question is how big is the dropoff likely to be?

lot of assumptions at this point in the offseason. 1, we don’t know if DKM is gone or making a play for a payday. 2, some talented WR available via FA.

Let’s say Adams lands in Seattle. JSN/Adams is as good as DK/JSN in my opinion. Maybe better. Maybe Seattle makes a move for Garrett Wilson - lot of possibilities. Aiyuk is probably unlikely since it’s in division, but never say never. Cooper Kupp same story.

It’s hard to know what the landing spot offers until we know is all I’m sayin. Potential to be bad - sure. But if they beef up that OL & add a couple pieces I’d be bullish. As I said above, Darnold showed a lot in CAR, which is why teams kept giving him work after NYJ. .

 

[Ray_T]

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I'm not predicting good things for Geno as hes going to a place where the WR depth is nowhere close to what it was in Seattle. with Darnold, I think it truly depends on where the guy lands. and that is an unknown at this point but given the likely landing spots I doubt the situation will be as good as it was in Minny. so my question is how big is the dropoff likely to be?

lot of assumptions at this point in the offseason. 1, we don’t know if DKM is gone or making a play for a payday. 2, some talented WR available via FA.

Let’s say Adams lands in Seattle. JSN/Adams is as good as DK/JSN in my opinion. Maybe better. Maybe Seattle makes a move for Garrett Wilson - lot of possibilities. Aiyuk is probably unlikely since it’s in division, but never say never. Cooper Kupp same story.

It’s hard to know what the landing spot offers until we know is all I’m sayin. Potential to be bad - sure. But if they beef up that OL & add a couple pieces I’d be bullish. As I said above, Darnold showed a lot in CAR, which is why teams kept giving him work after NYJ. .

agreed. Seattle may be one of the better places he could land. but most of the other places are teams with (lets say problems) on offense

 

[travdogg]

I'm probably more bullish on Darnold than alot of folks...while perhaps not in this thread, in others advocating for his next 'stop'.

Was MIN a great situation? Yes.

But it feels like that's being discounted, but his performance has not been given the same discount when for instance Robbie Chosen was his WR1 in NY. An honest assessment of Darnold's career to this point has to include that for the first 5 seasons of his career, he may have been with the two worst organizations in the NFL.

For sure those last two games put some brakes on the momentum I think he had built heading into this offseason. But his body of work in 2024 was legit studly and he reunites with Kuboak is SEA winds up being his destination.

Will he repeat 2024? Probably not, but I do think he's proven himself as a starter in this league and I think the pendulum has swung to far in the direction of Darnold being a chump type signing.

I think the middle ground is what he showed in CAR with a slightly above average receiving core. Not as good as a situation as MIN, not as bad as the NY Football Giants.

I’m with you - he showed me plenty in MIN, and isn’t getting nearly enough credit for his 4300+ yard season.

I think the 4300+ yard season looks less impressive, because Kirk Cousins averaged more yards per game every year from 2018-2023, except 2019.

In my eyes, Darnold far exceeded expectations, and deserves credit for that (I wouldn't call him a chump) but he wasn't quite as great as his numbers. He had some nice deep balls (which he did in Carolina too) and was more accurate than ever, but his weaknesses still showed up a lot. Poor pocket presence and slow decision making were still there for all to see, and not just in the last 2 games.

I said earlier in the thread Geno>>>>Darnold, and to expand on that, I think Darnold has absolutely proven to be an NFL starter, but I'd still very much call him a low-end one, and I think Geno Smith is being VASTLY underrated, and is a top-10 NFL QB, who was getting close to the maximum out of his situation.

 

[rockaction]

I'm probably more bullish on Darnold than alot of folks...while perhaps not in this thread, in others advocating for his next 'stop'.

Was MIN a great situation? Yes.

But it feels like that's being discounted, but his performance has not been given the same discount when for instance Robbie Chosen was his WR1 in NY. An honest assessment of Darnold's career to this point has to include that for the first 5 seasons of his career, he may have been with the two worst organizations in the NFL.

For sure those last two games put some brakes on the momentum I think he had built heading into this offseason. But his body of work in 2024 was legit studly and he reunites with Kuboak is SEA winds up being his destination.

Will he repeat 2024? Probably not, but I do think he's proven himself as a starter in this league and I think the pendulum has swung to far in the direction of Darnold being a chump type signing.

I think the middle ground is what he showed in CAR with a slightly above average receiving core. Not as good as a situation as MIN, not as bad as the NY Football Giants.

I’m with you - he showed me plenty in MIN, and isn’t getting nearly enough credit for his 4300+ yard season.

I think the 4300+ yard season looks less impressive, because Kirk Cousins averaged more yards per game every year from 2018-2023, except 2019.

In my eyes, Darnold far exceeded expectations, and deserves credit for that (I wouldn't call him a chump) but he wasn't quite as great as his numbers. He had some nice deep balls (which he did in Carolina too) and was more accurate than ever, but his weaknesses still showed up a lot. Poor pocket presence and slow decision making were still there for all to see, and not just in the last 2 games.

I said earlier in the thread Geno>>>>Darnold, and to expand on that, I think Darnold has absolutely proven to be an NFL starter, but I'd still very much call him a low-end one, and I think Geno Smith is being VASTLY underrated, and is a top-10 NFL QB, who was getting close to the maximum out of his situation.

Per PFF, Geno's overall 2024 grade was an 82.5, or 13th out of 75 QBs. His passing yards were 4th out of 75. His TDs were 13 out of 75.

I don't pretend to know enough about quarterbacks to judge them, but Geno looks darn good to me. We shall see how he ages. 35 is definitely where the peak years are a bit behind you (by about seven years).

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I'm probably more bullish on Darnold than alot of folks...while perhaps not in this thread, in others advocating for his next 'stop'.

Was MIN a great situation? Yes.

But it feels like that's being discounted, but his performance has not been given the same discount when for instance Robbie Chosen was his WR1 in NY. An honest assessment of Darnold's career to this point has to include that for the first 5 seasons of his career, he may have been with the two worst organizations in the NFL.

For sure those last two games put some brakes on the momentum I think he had built heading into this offseason. But his body of work in 2024 was legit studly and he reunites with Kuboak is SEA winds up being his destination.

Will he repeat 2024? Probably not, but I do think he's proven himself as a starter in this league and I think the pendulum has swung to far in the direction of Darnold being a chump type signing.

I think the middle ground is what he showed in CAR with a slightly above average receiving core. Not as good as a situation as MIN, not as bad as the NY Football Giants.

I’m with you - he showed me plenty in MIN, and isn’t getting nearly enough credit for his 4300+ yard season.

I think the 4300+ yard season looks less impressive, because Kirk Cousins averaged more yards per game every year from 2018-2023, except 2019.

In my eyes, Darnold far exceeded expectations, and deserves credit for that (I wouldn't call him a chump) but he wasn't quite as great as his numbers. He had some nice deep balls (which he did in Carolina too) and was more accurate than ever, but his weaknesses still showed up a lot. Poor pocket presence and slow decision making were still there for all to see, and not just in the last 2 games.

I said earlier in the thread Geno>>>>Darnold, and to expand on that, I think Darnold has absolutely proven to be an NFL starter, but I'd still very much call him a low-end one, and I think Geno Smith is being VASTLY underrated, and is a top-10 NFL QB, who was getting close to the maximum out of his situation.

Per PFF, Geno's overall 2024 grade was an 82.5, or 13th out of 75 QBs. His passing yards were 4th out of 75. His TDs were 13 out of 75.

I don't pretend to know enough about quarterbacks to judge them, but Geno looks darn good to me. We shall see how he ages. 35 is definitely where the peak years are a bit behind you (by about seven years).

Geno? You mean Sam?

I’m so confused.

As a Geno shareholder in 2024, his game by game numbers are way less impressive than his totals. Dude was all over the map week to week.

 

[rockaction]

Geno? You mean Sam?

Nope. Geno.

Geno Smith | Las Vegas Raiders QB | NFL and PFF stats

NFL and PFF player stats for Las Vegas Raiders QB Geno Smith on Pro Football Focus.

www.pff.com

Hard to be consistent when you're picking yourself up off the ground after two seconds to process a defense and throw the ball.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Geno? You mean Sam?

Nope. Geno.

Geno Smith | Las Vegas Raiders QB | NFL and PFF stats

NFL and PFF player stats for Las Vegas Raiders QB Geno Smith on Pro Football Focus.

www.pff.com

Hard to be consistent when you're picking yourself up off the ground after two seconds to process a defense and throw the ball.

That’s still making excuses for extremely up & down play. I’m not sure the Raiders OL is a significant upgrade.

I’m also not sure I have confidence in Chip Kelly’s offense. He’s one of those dudes who seems to be more successful in college than the pros.

Seattle reportedly will be running a WCO, which suits Darnold to a tee - it’s actually a better fit for him than MIN’s offense. If Geno had stayed in Seattle I might have tried to obtain him in my SF leagues.

Raiders are a downgrade in weapons as well.

Time will tell. I still think it’s a good move for LVR in that AOC wasn’t the answer (at least not at this stage of his career) and they needed a veteran bridge guy. Geno can be competent, and for that franchise that’s an upgrade. They have a great TE, and a lot of holes. Apparently the 3rd was the one they got from the Adams deal, so they still have all of their picks - I do think the Carroll/Brady era (remove the slash and it’s a 1970s television show!) is off to a solid start - they have a QB, a TE, & one of the league’s best pass rushers. Now they just need to draft competently & they’ll be a long way towards a rebuild.

In that division that’s probably the best outcome they can hope for. Were I a Raiders fan I’d be happy with the progress. TBD a bit until we see what names Roger Goodell is calling for them at the podium in April.

 

[Cheen]

Some of the talking heads at the Athletic were saying Ryan Grubb's offense was a very bad fit for Seattle's personnel, especially the Oline. They mentioned the offense not being QB friendly (lack of play action, specifically) and how Geno was consistently forced to bail them out under immense pressure.

Now enter Klint Kubiak. We all know the Kubiak/Shanahan offenses are essentially the opposite of what I said above. Kubiak was the passing game coordinator with the 49ers when Darnold was there. If DK sticks around I can see this being the best situation Darnold has been in besides last year.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

If DK sticks around I can see this being the best situation Darnold has been in besides last year.

Agreed. And they cleared a ton of cap space, leaving them free to re-sign Ernest Jones, and potentially go out and get one of the FA WRs if DKM is traded. Maybe even if he isn’t.

 

[eighsse2]

Some of the talking heads at the Athletic were saying Ryan Grubb's offense was a very bad fit for Seattle's personnel, especially the Oline. They mentioned the offense not being QB friendly (lack of play action, specifically) and how Geno was consistently forced to bail them out under immense pressure.

Now enter Klint Kubiak. We all know the Kubiak/Shanahan offenses are essentially the opposite of what I said above. Kubiak was the passing game coordinator with the 49ers when Darnold was there. If DK sticks around I can see this being the best situation Darnold has been in besides last year.

Is Darnold with Seattle now?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Some of the talking heads at the Athletic were saying Ryan Grubb's offense was a very bad fit for Seattle's personnel, especially the Oline. They mentioned the offense not being QB friendly (lack of play action, specifically) and how Geno was consistently forced to bail them out under immense pressure.

Now enter Klint Kubiak. We all know the Kubiak/Shanahan offenses are essentially the opposite of what I said above. Kubiak was the passing game coordinator with the 49ers when Darnold was there. If DK sticks around I can see this being the best situation Darnold has been in besides last year.

Is Darnold with Seattle now?

Net yet, no.

But the rumor mill is strong.

 

[TheDirtyWord]

I'm probably more bullish on Darnold than alot of folks...while perhaps not in this thread, in others advocating for his next 'stop'.

Was MIN a great situation? Yes.

But it feels like that's being discounted, but his performance has not been given the same discount when for instance Robbie Chosen was his WR1 in NY. An honest assessment of Darnold's career to this point has to include that for the first 5 seasons of his career, he may have been with the two worst organizations in the NFL.

For sure those last two games put some brakes on the momentum I think he had built heading into this offseason. But his body of work in 2024 was legit studly and he reunites with Kuboak is SEA winds up being his destination.

Will he repeat 2024? Probably not, but I do think he's proven himself as a starter in this league and I think the pendulum has swung to far in the direction of Darnold being a chump type signing.

I think the middle ground is what he showed in CAR with a slightly above average receiving core. Not as good as a situation as MIN, not as bad as the NY Football Giants.

I’m with you - he showed me plenty in MIN, and isn’t getting nearly enough credit for his 4300+ yard season.

I think the 4300+ yard season looks less impressive, because Kirk Cousins averaged more yards per game every year from 2018-2023, except 2019.

In my eyes, Darnold far exceeded expectations, and deserves credit for that (I wouldn't call him a chump) but he wasn't quite as great as his numbers. He had some nice deep balls (which he did in Carolina too) and was more accurate than ever, but his weaknesses still showed up a lot. Poor pocket presence and slow decision making were still there for all to see, and not just in the last 2 games.

I said earlier in the thread Geno>>>>Darnold, and to expand on that, I think Darnold has absolutely proven to be an NFL starter, but I'd still very much call him a low-end one, and I think Geno Smith is being VASTLY underrated, and is a top-10 NFL QB, who was getting close to the maximum out of his situation.

While that may be true in terms of YPG, when you look at YPA, Darnold's was better than Cousins 4x during his 6 season stay in MIN. And he equaled Cousins highest TD seasonal total. Not to dive too much into hyperbole, but I thought he should've gotten some/more MVP consideration although Game 17 killed it.

I do think that Geno is also being undersold, but I wouldn't agree that Geno is better than Darnold by the margin you imply. Defining Geno as Top 10...that feels as stretchy as defining Darnold as a low end starter. Both QB's have warts, perhaps different ones, but I'd classify them as largely in the same realm of QB starter with the exception of the age difference.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

it.

I do think that Geno is also being undersold, but I wouldn't agree that Geno is better than Darnold by the margin you imply. Defining Geno as Top 10...that feels as stretchy as defining Darnold as a low end starter. Both QB's have warts, perhaps different ones, but I'd classify them as largely in the same realm of QB starter with the exception of the age difference.

A lot is going to depend on offensive scheme, IMO.

If Darnold lands in a WCO, like a Shanahan tree he’s going to thrive.

If Geno (or Darnold) is asked to take deep shots behind a shaky line they’re going to fail.

Both can be serviceable. IMO Darnold has significantly more upside at this stage of his career.

 

[JAA]

Isnt Minn the best landing spot for Darnold? What other teams, with openings, do we think he would be a good fit for?

 

[Mitchie]

Isnt Minn the best landing spot for Darnold? What other teams, with openings, do we think he would be a good fit for?

not if he wants to start and maximize his earnings.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I'm guessing I'll be in the minority, but I think Geno>>>>Darnold. Seattle has worse play calling, worse weapons, worse OL than the Vikings had. I'm not saying he'll go back to being Jets Darnold, but I think its equally as likely as him repeating 2024.

Seems premature to make this definitive of a statement about a team that hasn’t drafted, and cleared a ton of cap space. It’s March 9th. Cmon son.

 

[travdogg]

I'm guessing I'll be in the minority, but I think Geno>>>>Darnold. Seattle has worse play calling, worse weapons, worse OL than the Vikings had. I'm not saying he'll go back to being Jets Darnold, but I think its equally as likely as him repeating 2024.

Seems premature to make this definitive of a statement about a team that hasn’t drafted and cleared a ton of cap space. It’s March 9th. Cmon son.

I think its pretty obvious I'm comparing 2024 Seattle vs 2024 Minnesota. Obviously, rosters are subject to change these next 2 months.

That said, I'd also be pretty surprised if Seattle improved any of those things above the 2024 Vikings. Play calling is a no, weapons are highly unlikely even if DK stays, OL needs several upgrades.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I think its pretty obvious I'm comparing 2024 Seattle vs 2024 Minnesota. Obviously, rosters are subject to change these next 2 months.

I didn’t think that was obvious at all in the post I quoted - seemed like you were talking about 2025.

appreciate the clarification.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

OL needs several upgrades.

MIN’s OL wasn’t great.

 

[BeTheMatch]

OL needs several upgrades.

MIN’s OL wasn’t great.

Especially when Darisaw got hurt

 

[travdogg]

OL needs several upgrades.

MIN’s OL wasn’t great.

True, but it was league average (above average with Darrisaw) where Seattle was probably a tossup with the Giants for worst in the NFC.

 

[JAA]

Isnt Minn the best landing spot for Darnold? What other teams, with openings, do we think he would be a good fit for?

not if he wants to start and maximize his earnings.

Not sure what your answer has to do with my question

 

[menobrown]

Tap the brakes on Darnold to SEA?

Russini saying the Steelers are making an offer to Darnold and Seattle is talking to Rodgers.

 

[Boston]

Tap the brakes on Darnold to SEA?

Russini saying the Steelers are making an offer to Darnold and Seattle is talking to Rodgers.

The plot thickens...

 

[BeTheMatch]

Tap the brakes on Darnold to SEA?

Russini saying the Steelers are making an offer to Darnold and Seattle is talking to Rodgers.

She has also linked every FA in the league with every team in the league with anything close to a need at the position. She's worthless.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

OL needs several upgrades.

MIN’s OL wasn’t great.

Especially when Darisaw got hurt

Yeah, hugely.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

Isnt Minn the best landing spot for Darnold? What other teams, with openings, do we think he would be a good fit for?

not if he wants to start and maximize his earnings.

Premature assuming that JJM would beat Darnold out of a starting job in 2025 if Darnold ended up signing back with MIN.

 

[Mitchie]

Isnt Minn the best landing spot for Darnold? What other teams, with openings, do we think he would be a good fit for?

not if he wants to start and maximize his earnings.

Premature assuming that JJM would beat Darnold out of a starting job in 2025 if Darnold ended up signing back with MIN.

would only be a matter of time, irrelevant anyway b/c Darnold's not going to be there.

 

[ex-ghost]

Tap the brakes on Darnold to SEA?

Russini saying the Steelers are making an offer to Darnold and Seattle is talking to Rodgers.

Rodgers in Seattle......that is a throwaway year.

 

[rockaction]

They don't even get Adams for the year if they get Rodgers. Who is Rodgers going to throw the ball to?

 

[Largent]

Darnold knows Kubiak and the offense. No trace of connection with Arthur Smith. I would suggest Russini just randomly sending out info that's likely from A-Rod's agent to spice up his lame market.

 

[fatness]

They don't even get Adams for the year if they get Rodgers. Who is Rodgers going to throw the ball to?

A lot of times, to the turf.

 

[rockaction]

I would suggest Russini just randomly sending out info that's likely from A-Rod's agent to spice up his lame market.

That's some 3-D chess you're playing there, but after reading Russini (she's The Athletic, right?) all year, this wouldn't surprise me in the least. It's not Occam's razor, for sure, but the entire Jets locker room was basically fodder for the internet at various times this year, and there had to be huge leaks somewhere in the organization. Maybe Rodgers was one of them.

 

[Faust]

@GetUpESPN
.@danorlovsky7 says QB Sam Darnold should want to go to the Steelers now that they have DK Metcalf and George Pickens

https://x.com/getupespn/status/1899075876110696549?s=61

 

[Ray_T]

I said earlier in the thread Geno>>>>Darnold, and to expand on that, I think Darnold has absolutely proven to be an NFL starter, but I'd still very much call him a low-end one, and I think Geno Smith is being VASTLY underrated, and is a top-10 NFL QB, who was getting close to the maximum out of his situation.

well, I agree hes not a high end QB.
I'd say hes on the low end of the mid range type QB but he has a little upside yet. but his max upside is as a top game manager who can occasionally raise his play level at key times.

he will never be an elite QB

for fantasy that puts him on the border of QB1 and QB2.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Darnold knows Kubiak and the offense. No trace of connection with Arthur Smith. I would suggest Russini just randomly sending out info that's likely from A-Rod's agent to spice up his lame market.

Not a Russini fan at all, she lives in BS World
She tries to be Adam Schefter lite

 

[ex-ghost]

If Rodgers goes to Pitt and Fields to the Jets, Darnold is running out of places and I imagine his salary leverage drops a bit.

 

[standarsh]

Geno? You mean Sam?

Nope. Geno.

Geno Smith | Las Vegas Raiders QB | NFL and PFF stats

NFL and PFF player stats for Las Vegas Raiders QB Geno Smith on Pro Football Focus.

www.pff.com

Hard to be consistent when you're picking yourself up off the ground after two seconds to process a defense and throw the ball.

That’s still making excuses for extremely up & down play. I’m not sure the Raiders OL is a significant upgrade.

I’m also not sure I have confidence in Chip Kelly’s offense. He’s one of those dudes who seems to be more successful in college than the pros.

Seattle reportedly will be running a WCO, which suits Darnold to a tee - it’s actually a better fit for him than MIN’s offense. If Geno had stayed in Seattle I might have tried to obtain him in my SF leagues.

Raiders are a downgrade in weapons as well.

Time will tell. I still think it’s a good move for LVR in that AOC wasn’t the answer (at least not at this stage of his career) and they needed a veteran bridge guy. Geno can be competent, and for that franchise that’s an upgrade. They have a great TE, and a lot of holes. Apparently the 3rd was the one they got from the Adams deal, so they still have all of their picks - I do think the Carroll/Brady era (remove the slash and it’s a 1970s television show!) is off to a solid start - they have a QB, a TE, & one of the league’s best pass rushers. Now they just need to draft competently & they’ll be a long way towards a rebuild.

In that division that’s probably the best outcome they can hope for. Were I a Raiders fan I’d be happy with the progress. TBD a bit until we see what names Roger Goodell is calling for them at the podium in April.

Agreed generally and a few points in concurrence.

Yes, Geno had 21 touchdowns - but 4 of those were in the 17th game of the year against the Rams - which I don't care about because my fantasy league was done by that point (and, by the way, the Rams sat their starters in that game). Leave out those 4 scores and he's at 17 - which is tied at 19th in the league with Purdy and Murray through the 16 (played) game fantasy season. And even that way overstates his production - there literally isn't a QB who played 16 games with fewer TDs than Smith. All the guys below him are guys who got injured mid year (Trevor, Dak, etc.), guys who are developing into starters (Maye, Young, etc.) or guys who aren't viable as fantasy starters because they ate bench halfway through the season.

Geno's passing yards were great, but his low TDs, mediocre rushing and really high interceptions offset that enough to where he was a fantasy gamble week to week, at best.

It's kind of hard to see that changing much at the Raiders. He's good enough that he probably won't get benched, but he doesn't have the kind of weapons he had in Seattle that helped him throw for 4,000. I'm sure he'll go undrafted in my league, but I'll watch his first few weeks to see if he's worth grabbing off waivers.