QB Sam Howell, SEA (1 Viewer)

[J Giles Band]

Looks like he had Dyami Brown and Dazz Newsome as his primary receivers in 2019/2020 in addition to Carter/Javonte. IDK Dyami looks like he'll be playing in 3WR sets in Washington but not exactly earth-shattering talent here he had at WR before 2022. That season was all about Josh Downs getting 101 of Howell's 217 completions.

Correct... fringe NFL talent at WR is still pretty damn good in college. Especially when they are seniors and multi-year starters. Replacing those with freshman and sophomores starting their first ever college games... well, you get it.

Not trying to make excuses for Howell... but he lost just about every guy he could count on. Not to mention he was running for his life behind a shaky offensive line that year. As our NC State fan friend gleefully points out, it made for a tough season for the Heels. That said, Howell wasn't to blame.

 

[Tau837]

He was responsible for 3800 yards and 35 TDs his final season.

He had completed 68% of his passes the year before and only 62% his final year. Bumping from 7 INTs to 9 and dropped from 3500 yards passing to 3000 yards. But his rushing went from 146 yards to 828 and 11 TDs.

I'm just not really clear on why his final season was looked at so negatively. Mixed bag at worst I suppose but I really think this had more to do with strange expectations. His final season sure seems good to me.

Well, one thing you may not know if you don't follow the ACC or live in ACC country is that UNC is relentlessly overhyped, year in, year out. Entering his final year, the hype around Howell was that he was a Heisman contender, and UNC was a contender for the ACC championship, which would have put them in contention for a playoff spot.

UNC was ranked #10 entering the season and was unranked by the end of September and not ranked again all season. Howell was viewed as a Heisman contender and a contender for a top NFL draft pick entering the season, and obviously didn't come close to any of that.

He underachieved compared to expectations, and so did the team, which went 6-7, losing to the other Carolina (USC) by 17 points in the Duke's Mayo Bowl. Trust me, it was glorious.

That is more or less my entire point, though. The expectations weren't entirely rational in terms of anything less than a Heisman campaign and/or a contending season. That was a rational bar to set for him but the reaction shouldn't be "he is a failure because he didn't win it all when he was expected to." And I'm not saying you're saying that, just that seems to be the mantra in sports. If you're 2nd place you're last and I think that is dumb.

I do not understand how someone that produced like that falls so far in the eyes of the NFL. It wasn't just people like you or me it was real GMs. Every team passed on him multiple times. Why? Because his senior season was so awful? That doesn't add up.

Read his draft profile. He had a lot of issues to work on.

I never understood the hype that he could be the top QB taken in the draft that year.

 

[barackdhouse]

He was responsible for 3800 yards and 35 TDs his final season.

He had completed 68% of his passes the year before and only 62% his final year. Bumping from 7 INTs to 9 and dropped from 3500 yards passing to 3000 yards. But his rushing went from 146 yards to 828 and 11 TDs.

I'm just not really clear on why his final season was looked at so negatively. Mixed bag at worst I suppose but I really think this had more to do with strange expectations. His final season sure seems good to me.

Well, one thing you may not know if you don't follow the ACC or live in ACC country is that UNC is relentlessly overhyped, year in, year out. Entering his final year, the hype around Howell was that he was a Heisman contender, and UNC was a contender for the ACC championship, which would have put them in contention for a playoff spot.

UNC was ranked #10 entering the season and was unranked by the end of September and not ranked again all season. Howell was viewed as a Heisman contender and a contender for a top NFL draft pick entering the season, and obviously didn't come close to any of that.

He underachieved compared to expectations, and so did the team, which went 6-7, losing to the other Carolina (USC) by 17 points in the Duke's Mayo Bowl. Trust me, it was glorious.

That is more or less my entire point, though. The expectations weren't entirely rational in terms of anything less than a Heisman campaign and/or a contending season. That was a rational bar to set for him but the reaction shouldn't be "he is a failure because he didn't win it all when he was expected to." And I'm not saying you're saying that, just that seems to be the mantra in sports. If you're 2nd place you're last and I think that is dumb.

I do not understand how someone that produced like that falls so far in the eyes of the NFL. It wasn't just people like you or me it was real GMs. Every team passed on him multiple times. Why? Because his senior season was so awful? That doesn't add up.

Read his draft profile. He had a lot of issues to work on.

I never understood the hype that he could be the top QB taken in the draft that year.

I wrote a draft profile for him. It's posted above. When you say read his profile, which one do you mean? The one written by that guy over there? What about the other one by that other dude?

There is no one single draft profile. What issues did he have? Just save me the suspense.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

𝗧𝗥𝗘𝗡𝗗𝗜𝗡𝗚: #Commanders HC Ron Rivera says that Sam Howell’s performance in week 17 against the #Cowboys last season made him wish he would have played Howell sooner, he told @AlbertBreer

“You can ask Stephanie [Ron’s wife], all we f*cking talked about was the quarterback, what the quarterback did, who he was. I kept saying, f*ck, if I would have known this, I would have played him sooner. After that game, everything told me this kid, give him the opportunity and see what he does with it.”

Rivera did end up going with Howell as the starter after his 2022 season finale performance. Howell has looked good this preseason and is hoping to provide the #Commanders stability at quarterback, something they haven’t had since Kirk Cousins.

 

[travdogg]

I mean, Howell should have been starting much earlier as it was clear that Heinicke/Wentz weren't the guy.

To me, that quote is basically just Rivera admitting to being out to lunch as a HC.

Howell is a nice sleeper this season (especially with his rushing upside) but I don't think Bienemy is going to be some miracle worker, this is still gonna be a mediocre offense.

 

[Scooby1974]

WFT is going to have to be aggressive to keep up with the likes of the Eagles and Cowboys. The Giants too. I could see Howell needing to sling it and run to try and keep them in games.

 

[Tau837]

He was responsible for 3800 yards and 35 TDs his final season.

He had completed 68% of his passes the year before and only 62% his final year. Bumping from 7 INTs to 9 and dropped from 3500 yards passing to 3000 yards. But his rushing went from 146 yards to 828 and 11 TDs.

I'm just not really clear on why his final season was looked at so negatively. Mixed bag at worst I suppose but I really think this had more to do with strange expectations. His final season sure seems good to me.

Well, one thing you may not know if you don't follow the ACC or live in ACC country is that UNC is relentlessly overhyped, year in, year out. Entering his final year, the hype around Howell was that he was a Heisman contender, and UNC was a contender for the ACC championship, which would have put them in contention for a playoff spot.

UNC was ranked #10 entering the season and was unranked by the end of September and not ranked again all season. Howell was viewed as a Heisman contender and a contender for a top NFL draft pick entering the season, and obviously didn't come close to any of that.

He underachieved compared to expectations, and so did the team, which went 6-7, losing to the other Carolina (USC) by 17 points in the Duke's Mayo Bowl. Trust me, it was glorious.

That is more or less my entire point, though. The expectations weren't entirely rational in terms of anything less than a Heisman campaign and/or a contending season. That was a rational bar to set for him but the reaction shouldn't be "he is a failure because he didn't win it all when he was expected to." And I'm not saying you're saying that, just that seems to be the mantra in sports. If you're 2nd place you're last and I think that is dumb.

I do not understand how someone that produced like that falls so far in the eyes of the NFL. It wasn't just people like you or me it was real GMs. Every team passed on him multiple times. Why? Because his senior season was so awful? That doesn't add up.

Read his draft profile. He had a lot of issues to work on.

I never understood the hype that he could be the top QB taken in the draft that year.

I wrote a draft profile for him. It's posted above. When you say read his profile, which one do you mean? The one written by that guy over there? What about the other one by that other dude?

There is no one single draft profile. What issues did he have? Just save me the suspense.

Dude, why are you making this so hard? Entering his final season in college, he was viewed as a contender for a top 5 draft pick, maybe the top pick. He wasn't close to that. It is possible for all teams to miss on a great QB, but it is rare. They didn't draft him earlier for multiple reasons, many of which are detailed in multiple draft profiles, some of which are actually linked in this thread.

I'm not here to defend the reasons of EVERY TEAM IN THE NFL for passing on him as many times as they did. If you want to delve into and refute the various draft profiles, knock yourself out. i'm content with what I got out of them at the time.

Beyond that, I suppose I'll agree to disagree with you.

 

[barackdhouse]

He was responsible for 3800 yards and 35 TDs his final season.

He had completed 68% of his passes the year before and only 62% his final year. Bumping from 7 INTs to 9 and dropped from 3500 yards passing to 3000 yards. But his rushing went from 146 yards to 828 and 11 TDs.

I'm just not really clear on why his final season was looked at so negatively. Mixed bag at worst I suppose but I really think this had more to do with strange expectations. His final season sure seems good to me.

Well, one thing you may not know if you don't follow the ACC or live in ACC country is that UNC is relentlessly overhyped, year in, year out. Entering his final year, the hype around Howell was that he was a Heisman contender, and UNC was a contender for the ACC championship, which would have put them in contention for a playoff spot.

UNC was ranked #10 entering the season and was unranked by the end of September and not ranked again all season. Howell was viewed as a Heisman contender and a contender for a top NFL draft pick entering the season, and obviously didn't come close to any of that.

He underachieved compared to expectations, and so did the team, which went 6-7, losing to the other Carolina (USC) by 17 points in the Duke's Mayo Bowl. Trust me, it was glorious.

That is more or less my entire point, though. The expectations weren't entirely rational in terms of anything less than a Heisman campaign and/or a contending season. That was a rational bar to set for him but the reaction shouldn't be "he is a failure because he didn't win it all when he was expected to." And I'm not saying you're saying that, just that seems to be the mantra in sports. If you're 2nd place you're last and I think that is dumb.

I do not understand how someone that produced like that falls so far in the eyes of the NFL. It wasn't just people like you or me it was real GMs. Every team passed on him multiple times. Why? Because his senior season was so awful? That doesn't add up.

Read his draft profile. He had a lot of issues to work on.

I never understood the hype that he could be the top QB taken in the draft that year.

I wrote a draft profile for him. It's posted above. When you say read his profile, which one do you mean? The one written by that guy over there? What about the other one by that other dude?

There is no one single draft profile. What issues did he have? Just save me the suspense.

Dude, why are you making this so hard? Entering his final season in college, he was viewed as a contender for a top 5 draft pick, maybe the top pick. He wasn't close to that. It is possible for all teams to miss on a great QB, but it is rare. They didn't draft him earlier for multiple reasons, many of which are detailed in multiple draft profiles, some of which are actually linked in this thread.

I'm not here to defend the reasons of EVERY TEAM IN THE NFL for passing on him as many times as they did. If you want to delve into and refute the various draft profiles, knock yourself out. i'm content with what I got out of them at the time.

Beyond that, I suppose I'll agree to disagree with you.

you haven't listed a single trait that he was considered bad at. do you even have the ability to name one?

 

[barackdhouse]

He was responsible for 3800 yards and 35 TDs his final season.

He had completed 68% of his passes the year before and only 62% his final year. Bumping from 7 INTs to 9 and dropped from 3500 yards passing to 3000 yards. But his rushing went from 146 yards to 828 and 11 TDs.

I'm just not really clear on why his final season was looked at so negatively. Mixed bag at worst I suppose but I really think this had more to do with strange expectations. His final season sure seems good to me.

Well, one thing you may not know if you don't follow the ACC or live in ACC country is that UNC is relentlessly overhyped, year in, year out. Entering his final year, the hype around Howell was that he was a Heisman contender, and UNC was a contender for the ACC championship, which would have put them in contention for a playoff spot.

UNC was ranked #10 entering the season and was unranked by the end of September and not ranked again all season. Howell was viewed as a Heisman contender and a contender for a top NFL draft pick entering the season, and obviously didn't come close to any of that.

He underachieved compared to expectations, and so did the team, which went 6-7, losing to the other Carolina (USC) by 17 points in the Duke's Mayo Bowl. Trust me, it was glorious.

That is more or less my entire point, though. The expectations weren't entirely rational in terms of anything less than a Heisman campaign and/or a contending season. That was a rational bar to set for him but the reaction shouldn't be "he is a failure because he didn't win it all when he was expected to." And I'm not saying you're saying that, just that seems to be the mantra in sports. If you're 2nd place you're last and I think that is dumb.

I do not understand how someone that produced like that falls so far in the eyes of the NFL. It wasn't just people like you or me it was real GMs. Every team passed on him multiple times. Why? Because his senior season was so awful? That doesn't add up.

Read his draft profile. He had a lot of issues to work on.

I never understood the hype that he could be the top QB taken in the draft that year.

I wrote a draft profile for him. It's posted above. When you say read his profile, which one do you mean? The one written by that guy over there? What about the other one by that other dude?

There is no one single draft profile. What issues did he have? Just save me the suspense.

I suppose I'll agree to disagree with you.

about what? you haven't said anything. that he didn't live up to expectations? yeah i have mentioned that. we're not actually in any disagreement. you just can't come up with a single bad trait and expect me to do it for you. no thanks.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Howell is a nice sleeper this season (especially with his rushing upside) but I don't think Bienemy is going to be some miracle worker, this is still gonna be a mediocre offense.

I don’t think EB needs to be a miracle worker.

There’s plenty of offensive talent on that team & Howell is plenty good enough to play QB for them.

I disagree that they’ll be mediocre.

 

[travdogg]

Howell is a nice sleeper this season (especially with his rushing upside) but I don't think Bienemy is going to be some miracle worker, this is still gonna be a mediocre offense.

I don’t think EB needs to be a miracle worker.

There’s plenty of offensive talent on that team & Howell is plenty good enough to play QB for them.

I disagree that they’ll be mediocre.

We may have different definitions of being mediocre. I have Howell QB19. That's ahead of guys like Brock Purdy and Derek Carr and just behind guys like Jared Goff and Dak Prescott.

I just don't see this suddenly becoming, say Miami/Jacksonville just because of a new play caller.

 

[Tau837]

He was responsible for 3800 yards and 35 TDs his final season.

He had completed 68% of his passes the year before and only 62% his final year. Bumping from 7 INTs to 9 and dropped from 3500 yards passing to 3000 yards. But his rushing went from 146 yards to 828 and 11 TDs.

I'm just not really clear on why his final season was looked at so negatively. Mixed bag at worst I suppose but I really think this had more to do with strange expectations. His final season sure seems good to me.

Well, one thing you may not know if you don't follow the ACC or live in ACC country is that UNC is relentlessly overhyped, year in, year out. Entering his final year, the hype around Howell was that he was a Heisman contender, and UNC was a contender for the ACC championship, which would have put them in contention for a playoff spot.

UNC was ranked #10 entering the season and was unranked by the end of September and not ranked again all season. Howell was viewed as a Heisman contender and a contender for a top NFL draft pick entering the season, and obviously didn't come close to any of that.

He underachieved compared to expectations, and so did the team, which went 6-7, losing to the other Carolina (USC) by 17 points in the Duke's Mayo Bowl. Trust me, it was glorious.

That is more or less my entire point, though. The expectations weren't entirely rational in terms of anything less than a Heisman campaign and/or a contending season. That was a rational bar to set for him but the reaction shouldn't be "he is a failure because he didn't win it all when he was expected to." And I'm not saying you're saying that, just that seems to be the mantra in sports. If you're 2nd place you're last and I think that is dumb.

I do not understand how someone that produced like that falls so far in the eyes of the NFL. It wasn't just people like you or me it was real GMs. Every team passed on him multiple times. Why? Because his senior season was so awful? That doesn't add up.

Read his draft profile. He had a lot of issues to work on.

I never understood the hype that he could be the top QB taken in the draft that year.

I wrote a draft profile for him. It's posted above. When you say read his profile, which one do you mean? The one written by that guy over there? What about the other one by that other dude?

There is no one single draft profile. What issues did he have? Just save me the suspense.

Dude, why are you making this so hard? Entering his final season in college, he was viewed as a contender for a top 5 draft pick, maybe the top pick. He wasn't close to that. It is possible for all teams to miss on a great QB, but it is rare. They didn't draft him earlier for multiple reasons, many of which are detailed in multiple draft profiles, some of which are actually linked in this thread.

I'm not here to defend the reasons of EVERY TEAM IN THE NFL for passing on him as many times as they did. If you want to delve into and refute the various draft profiles, knock yourself out. i'm content with what I got out of them at the time.

Beyond that, I suppose I'll agree to disagree with you.

you haven't listed a single trait that he was considered bad at. do you even have the ability to name one?

I linked draft profile info earlier in the thread. It’s not hard. Google any credible draft profile for him and you will see mention of a number of weaknesses.

Every NFL team passed on him multiple times for actual reasons. I don’t know why you are trying to argue with me about it.

That said, you can win this by having the last word. SMH

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

We may have different definitions of being mediocre. I have Howell QB19. That's ahead of guys like Brock Purdy and Derek Carr and just behind guys like Jared Goff and Dak Prescott.

I just don't see this suddenly becoming, say Miami/Jacksonville just because of a new play caller.

I have Howell about the same.

I was commenting on the WAS offense, not Howells particular ranking.

With the running backs they have, and the receivers, especially when Terry McLaren comes back, I see them as potentially a top 14 offense.

Not too far off of where you have Sam Howell, but definitely above “mediocre“.

 

[Scooby1974]

Howell > Love? These two are stuck in my mind as guys with some promise.

 

[travdogg]

Howell > Love? These two are stuck in my mind as guys with some promise.

I'd prefer Howell of the 2. I think he's slightly more talented, and more inclined to take off and run. Its pretty close though.

 

[Scooby1974]

Howell > Love? These two are stuck in my mind as guys with some promise.

I'd prefer Howell of the 2. I think he's slightly more talented, and more inclined to take off and run. Its pretty close though.

I'm leaning that way too. The teams in that division are going to put points on the board.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Howell > Love? These two are stuck in my mind as guys with some promise.

Man that’s really close.

I probably lean Howell, but it’s a coin flip.

 

[nittanylion]

Why Sam Howell went from No. 1 overall favorite to likely Day 2 pick in 2022 NFL Draft

Howell, projected to go No. 66 overall in Vinnie Iyer's latest mock draft, was once considered a consensus early first-round pick. The Sporting News examines the reasons for the UNC quarterback's slide.

www.sportingnews.com

I really like Howell, and am cautiously optimistic regarding his prospects. Providing this link for context related to the Thread.

 

[barackdhouse]

I traded a 2024 4th for the last pick (4.12) in this years draft and took him. Probably better than what was left.

but he's a roster clogger, weakest QB2 in the league and not worth a roster spot from what I hear. Why would you trade for that?

I really think he might be something. His rushing ability screams FF relevance, and he’s an accurate passer.

Good weapons, he’s got moxie, and most of his college career was noteworthy. That last season tanked his draft stock.

The more I see the more I like him.

He wasn't an accurate passer in college. For example, here are some weaknesses in his NFL draft profile at nfl.com:

He muscles throws, hindering his accuracy on drive throws but has adequate arm strength and can expedite off-platform throws. Howell doesn't throw with nearly enough timing or ball placement, which forces wideouts into the boundaries or to break stride, limiting their YAC potential.

• Ball pat and windup slow the release.
• Touch and timing both need work.
• Muscles the throws with upper body causing the ball to sail.
• Falls off the throw unnecessarily.
• Gives safety a head-start to make plays over the top.
• Deep balls come out late and a little flat.
• Placement issues make receivers work hard.
• Lacks accuracy on drive throws.

I think he has interesting potential, but I don't think accuracy is among his strengths.

Ok here is the one single draft profile that you linked and yes your post was recent even though you've been talking up this one single profile for a year and a half now. So yes I will give you credit for that one draft profile. There are tons of other blips like this in this thread from when he came out that talk about how good his arm is/was.

 

[barackdhouse]

He was responsible for 3800 yards and 35 TDs his final season.

He had completed 68% of his passes the year before and only 62% his final year. Bumping from 7 INTs to 9 and dropped from 3500 yards passing to 3000 yards. But his rushing went from 146 yards to 828 and 11 TDs.

I'm just not really clear on why his final season was looked at so negatively. Mixed bag at worst I suppose but I really think this had more to do with strange expectations. His final season sure seems good to me.

Well, one thing you may not know if you don't follow the ACC or live in ACC country is that UNC is relentlessly overhyped, year in, year out. Entering his final year, the hype around Howell was that he was a Heisman contender, and UNC was a contender for the ACC championship, which would have put them in contention for a playoff spot.

UNC was ranked #10 entering the season and was unranked by the end of September and not ranked again all season. Howell was viewed as a Heisman contender and a contender for a top NFL draft pick entering the season, and obviously didn't come close to any of that.

He underachieved compared to expectations, and so did the team, which went 6-7, losing to the other Carolina (USC) by 17 points in the Duke's Mayo Bowl. Trust me, it was glorious.

That is more or less my entire point, though. The expectations weren't entirely rational in terms of anything less than a Heisman campaign and/or a contending season. That was a rational bar to set for him but the reaction shouldn't be "he is a failure because he didn't win it all when he was expected to." And I'm not saying you're saying that, just that seems to be the mantra in sports. If you're 2nd place you're last and I think that is dumb.

I do not understand how someone that produced like that falls so far in the eyes of the NFL. It wasn't just people like you or me it was real GMs. Every team passed on him multiple times. Why? Because his senior season was so awful? That doesn't add up.

Read his draft profile. He had a lot of issues to work on.

I never understood the hype that he could be the top QB taken in the draft that year.

I wrote a draft profile for him. It's posted above. When you say read his profile, which one do you mean? The one written by that guy over there? What about the other one by that other dude?

There is no one single draft profile. What issues did he have? Just save me the suspense.

Dude, why are you making this so hard? Entering his final season in college, he was viewed as a contender for a top 5 draft pick, maybe the top pick. He wasn't close to that. It is possible for all teams to miss on a great QB, but it is rare. They didn't draft him earlier for multiple reasons, many of which are detailed in multiple draft profiles, some of which are actually linked in this thread.

I'm not here to defend the reasons of EVERY TEAM IN THE NFL for passing on him as many times as they did. If you want to delve into and refute the various draft profiles, knock yourself out. i'm content with what I got out of them at the time.

Beyond that, I suppose I'll agree to disagree with you.

you haven't listed a single trait that he was considered bad at. do you even have the ability to name one?

I linked draft profile info earlier in the thread. It’s not hard. Google any credible draft profile for him and you will see mention of a number of weaknesses.

Every NFL team passed on him multiple times for actual reasons. I don’t know why you are trying to argue with me about it.

That said, you can win this by having the last word. SMH

I'm not trying to make this hard. Just trying to challenge you to name a single trait he was bad at and you refuse. And you only ever linked a single draft profile that fit your narrative. What about the others?

 

[Scooby1974]

He was responsible for 3800 yards and 35 TDs his final season.

He had completed 68% of his passes the year before and only 62% his final year. Bumping from 7 INTs to 9 and dropped from 3500 yards passing to 3000 yards. But his rushing went from 146 yards to 828 and 11 TDs.

I'm just not really clear on why his final season was looked at so negatively. Mixed bag at worst I suppose but I really think this had more to do with strange expectations. His final season sure seems good to me.

Well, one thing you may not know if you don't follow the ACC or live in ACC country is that UNC is relentlessly overhyped, year in, year out. Entering his final year, the hype around Howell was that he was a Heisman contender, and UNC was a contender for the ACC championship, which would have put them in contention for a playoff spot.

UNC was ranked #10 entering the season and was unranked by the end of September and not ranked again all season. Howell was viewed as a Heisman contender and a contender for a top NFL draft pick entering the season, and obviously didn't come close to any of that.

He underachieved compared to expectations, and so did the team, which went 6-7, losing to the other Carolina (USC) by 17 points in the Duke's Mayo Bowl. Trust me, it was glorious.

That is more or less my entire point, though. The expectations weren't entirely rational in terms of anything less than a Heisman campaign and/or a contending season. That was a rational bar to set for him but the reaction shouldn't be "he is a failure because he didn't win it all when he was expected to." And I'm not saying you're saying that, just that seems to be the mantra in sports. If you're 2nd place you're last and I think that is dumb.

I do not understand how someone that produced like that falls so far in the eyes of the NFL. It wasn't just people like you or me it was real GMs. Every team passed on him multiple times. Why? Because his senior season was so awful? That doesn't add up.

Read his draft profile. He had a lot of issues to work on.

I never understood the hype that he could be the top QB taken in the draft that year.

I wrote a draft profile for him. It's posted above. When you say read his profile, which one do you mean? The one written by that guy over there? What about the other one by that other dude?

There is no one single draft profile. What issues did he have? Just save me the suspense.

Dude, why are you making this so hard? Entering his final season in college, he was viewed as a contender for a top 5 draft pick, maybe the top pick. He wasn't close to that. It is possible for all teams to miss on a great QB, but it is rare. They didn't draft him earlier for multiple reasons, many of which are detailed in multiple draft profiles, some of which are actually linked in this thread.

I'm not here to defend the reasons of EVERY TEAM IN THE NFL for passing on him as many times as they did. If you want to delve into and refute the various draft profiles, knock yourself out. i'm content with what I got out of them at the time.

Beyond that, I suppose I'll agree to disagree with you.

you haven't listed a single trait that he was considered bad at. do you even have the ability to name one?

I linked draft profile info earlier in the thread. It’s not hard. Google any credible draft profile for him and you will see mention of a number of weaknesses.

Every NFL team passed on him multiple times for actual reasons. I don’t know why you are trying to argue with me about it.

That said, you can win this by having the last word. SMH

I'm not trying to make this hard. Just trying to challenge you to name a single trait he was bad at and you refuse. And you only ever linked a single draft profile that fit your narrative. What about the others?

Get a room. lol

 

[barackdhouse]

Pro Football Focus ranks North Carolina QB Sam Howell as the best quarterback available in the draft.

The lack of consistency through this predraft process is what makes it interesting, especially with everyone's assessment at the most important position. Many writers have different opinions about some of the top quarterbacks in the draft, but many were impressed by Liberty's Malik Willis at the Senior Bowl, enough to have him going as high as No. 6. In his latest rankings, PFF's Michael Renner has a different opinion as he has North Carolina's Sam Howell as the best available quarterback. Renner explains the reason he has Howell as the QB1 because of his success at the youngest age, along with his ability to make big throws. Howell didn't have a terrible season by some standards, but it was not up to his. He finished with a career-low in passing yards (3,056), passing touchdowns (24), passer rating (154.2), and a career-high nine interceptions. It doesn't seem likely that Howell will be taken over Willis, Kenny Pickett, Matt Corral, or possible Desmond Ridder, and many believe he's at best going late in the first round.

SOURCE: PFF

Feb 20, 2022, 6:23 PM ET

North Carolina QB Sam Howell is the top player at the position on PFF's big board.

The quarterback class is divisive, especially at the top. There are upwards of five different quarterbacks that we could see drafted in the first round. It is shaping up to be a pick-your flavor draft with the quarterbacks. PFF believes that Howell is the best of this class, citing the added element of his rushing ability. He broke an astounding 63 tackles this past year willing the Tar Heels to bowl eligibility.

SOURCE: PFF

Mar 10, 2022, 8:27 PM ET

Been doing some reading n watching on this kid. He's a stud athlete that plays quarterback.

Man, I'm on the complete opposite side of this thread. I think Howell is the best QB in this draft and should be a 1st round pick.

Howell has both the strongest and most accurate arm in this class, and that's not totally a knock on this class. Howell's arm is very good by NFL standards, and his accuracy is solid by NFL standards. Howell also has good mobility, and while he's not rushing for 1,000 yards in the NFL, he's probably on that DeShaun Watson/Russell Wilson level of mobility.

Howell has 2 weaknesses in my opinion, and one of those might be less on him and more on UNC. He's too quick to take off and run, and he's a little greedy at times, turning down open checkdowns to take deep shots. I think that latter thing might have been encouraged by UNC's coaching staff.

I will agree Howell took a step back this year, but I think that's to be expected when your offense loses Javonte Williams, Michael Carter, and Dyami Brown to the NFL. Howell also played well against his best competition including an excellent game in the loss to Notre Dame.

According to Pro Football Focus' Big Board, North Carolina QB Sam Howell is their best-ranked quarterback.

We're getting a glimpse of what the NFL thinks of this draft class as teams are deciding to trade for a quarterback and Tom Brady felt like it was necessary to unretire to save the Buccaneers. With scouts being impressed by Malik Willis during the predraft process, with many having him as the first quarterback taken in the draft Pro Football Focus feels different has Howell (6'1/218) ranked as a better overall prospect on their big board at No 20, they have Willis at No. 22, Willis is No. 25. When you compare their stats, Howell is clearly the better passer with more passing yards, touchdowns, and a higher QBR this season. One of the aspects scouts like about Willis is his mobility, but Howell only ran for 50 fewer rushing yards and both averaged 4.5 yards per carry this year. When you look at both player's highlights, it's Willis who has the incredible raw talent, but Howell is one who's more NFL-ready.

SOURCE: PFF

Mar 13, 2022, 9:55 PM ET

Pro Football Network's Tony Pauline reports the Commanders had a "big turnout" at North Carolina QB Sam Howell's pro day.

The Saints also had representatives in attendance at Howell's pro day, Pauline reports. A solid deep ball thrower with passable mobility, Howell could be a target for either franchise in the first round of the 2022 NFL Draft. Howell could slot in behind Carson Wentz in Washington or Jameis Winston in New Orleans, both of whom profile as temporary bridge quarterbacks more than franchise signal callers. Howell in three seasons as North Carolina's starter completed 63.9 percent of his attempts for 92 touchdowns and 23 interceptions, logging a solid 9.9 adjusted yards per attempt. He had the seventh highest QB rating among college quarterbacks in 2020, and the 27th in 2021.

SOURCE: Tony Pauline on Twitter

Mar 28, 2022, 11:54 AM ET

Tommy Jaggi @TommyJaggi

You can have questions about Sam Howell's game, but if you think he doesn't have an NFL arm, you haven't watched him.

From the opposite 36 to the 1, hash to boundary, this ball was essentially a 70-yard dime in stride. One of the best deep-ball throwers in college football.

https://twitter.com/tommyjaggi/status/1508469046462791685?s=21

Jordan Reid @Jordan_Reid

66-throw script for Sam Howell. Really enjoyed how diverse it was. A great mixture of under-center and shotgun throws that involved lots of pocket movement. He throws a beautiful deep ball. Displayed different variances of touch and velocity today.

https://twitter.com/jordan_reid/status/1508473354218622977?s=21

UNC HC Mack Brown joined the Rich Eisen Show and made the case for QB Same Howell.

Howell (6'1/225) has seen his stock drop compared to where it was last season. Brown said on the Rich Eisen Show "We weren't as good. We lose two great receivers to the NFL two years ago, we lose two outstanding running backs. So we weren't as good." There's validity to Brown's argument, after Howell went from 3586-30-7 in 2020 to 3056-24-9 in 2021. Howell's rushing production saw a significant boost in 2021 however, when he rushed for 183-828-11. His previous high in rushing yards was 146. Howell still carries a first round draft grade amongst some scouts, while others view him as more of a second rounder.

SOURCE: 247Sports.com

Apr 1, 2022, 1:44 PM ET

North Carolina QB Sam Howell has had the most big-time throws amongst FBS quarterbacks since 2019.

PFF's definition of a Big Time Throw is "a pass of the highest end of both difficulty and value. It's a throw made with excellent timing and ball location while also being thrown further down the field into a tight window." If you look at Howell (6'1/225), he's a dynamic passer, and mixed with his mobility he has a ton of promise. This was a down year by his standards, but with a below-average offensive line, he still threw for over 3,000 yards, 24 touchdowns, and a career-high 4.5 rushing yards per rush. He's getting a lot of attention in the first round and if you compare him to his peers in this draft, his passing abilities have him as the most NFL-ready quarterback.

SOURCE: PFF College

Apr 2, 2022, 3:20 PM ET

North Carolina QB Sam Howell was compared to Denver Broncos QB Russell Wilson.

Howell (6'1/225) is one of many quarterbacks who have been listed among the top prospects at the position ahead of the 2022 NFL Draft -- hardly anyone can agree on who No. 1 is, though. The Tar Heels offense seemed to be rolling best when Howell was involved in both the ground game and the passing game, something quarterbacks like current Denver Broncos signal-caller Russell Wilson are known for. It's for the reason Howell drew a comparison to Wilson from Michael Hull of PFF. Here's what Hull had to say about the two: "The North Carolina native shares many of his qualities with the new star quarterback in the Mile High City. Wilson thrives on his patented moon ball, posting a 6.1% big-time throw rate in 2021. For his career, the former Seattle Seahawk has never posted an average depth of target lower than 9.1 yards, and his short of sticks percentage has never exceeded 50.6%. The similarities don’t stop with the deep shots, though. Wilson is also one of the more aggressive runners at the quarterback position, rushing for over 5,000 yards on 1,001 attempts over his career. Wilson is slightly faster than Howell, though, running a 4.55-second 40-yard dash. Howell didn’t run the 40-yard dash at the combine, but he ran a 5.07-second 40 in high school."

Apr 3, 2022, 3:57 PM ET

 

[Scooby1974]

Pro Football Focus ranks North Carolina QB Sam Howell as the best quarterback available in the draft.

The lack of consistency through this predraft process is what makes it interesting, especially with everyone's assessment at the most important position. Many writers have different opinions about some of the top quarterbacks in the draft, but many were impressed by Liberty's Malik Willis at the Senior Bowl, enough to have him going as high as No. 6. In his latest rankings, PFF's Michael Renner has a different opinion as he has North Carolina's Sam Howell as the best available quarterback. Renner explains the reason he has Howell as the QB1 because of his success at the youngest age, along with his ability to make big throws. Howell didn't have a terrible season by some standards, but it was not up to his. He finished with a career-low in passing yards (3,056), passing touchdowns (24), passer rating (154.2), and a career-high nine interceptions. It doesn't seem likely that Howell will be taken over Willis, Kenny Pickett, Matt Corral, or possible Desmond Ridder, and many believe he's at best going late in the first round.

SOURCE: PFF

Feb 20, 2022, 6:23 PM ET

North Carolina QB Sam Howell is the top player at the position on PFF's big board.

The quarterback class is divisive, especially at the top. There are upwards of five different quarterbacks that we could see drafted in the first round. It is shaping up to be a pick-your flavor draft with the quarterbacks. PFF believes that Howell is the best of this class, citing the added element of his rushing ability. He broke an astounding 63 tackles this past year willing the Tar Heels to bowl eligibility.

SOURCE: PFF

Mar 10, 2022, 8:27 PM ET

Been doing some reading n watching on this kid. He's a stud athlete that plays quarterback.

Man, I'm on the complete opposite side of this thread. I think Howell is the best QB in this draft and should be a 1st round pick.

Howell has both the strongest and most accurate arm in this class, and that's not totally a knock on this class. Howell's arm is very good by NFL standards, and his accuracy is solid by NFL standards. Howell also has good mobility, and while he's not rushing for 1,000 yards in the NFL, he's probably on that DeShaun Watson/Russell Wilson level of mobility.

Howell has 2 weaknesses in my opinion, and one of those might be less on him and more on UNC. He's too quick to take off and run, and he's a little greedy at times, turning down open checkdowns to take deep shots. I think that latter thing might have been encouraged by UNC's coaching staff.

I will agree Howell took a step back this year, but I think that's to be expected when your offense loses Javonte Williams, Michael Carter, and Dyami Brown to the NFL. Howell also played well against his best competition including an excellent game in the loss to Notre Dame.

According to Pro Football Focus' Big Board, North Carolina QB Sam Howell is their best-ranked quarterback.

We're getting a glimpse of what the NFL thinks of this draft class as teams are deciding to trade for a quarterback and Tom Brady felt like it was necessary to unretire to save the Buccaneers. With scouts being impressed by Malik Willis during the predraft process, with many having him as the first quarterback taken in the draft Pro Football Focus feels different has Howell (6'1/218) ranked as a better overall prospect on their big board at No 20, they have Willis at No. 22, Willis is No. 25. When you compare their stats, Howell is clearly the better passer with more passing yards, touchdowns, and a higher QBR this season. One of the aspects scouts like about Willis is his mobility, but Howell only ran for 50 fewer rushing yards and both averaged 4.5 yards per carry this year. When you look at both player's highlights, it's Willis who has the incredible raw talent, but Howell is one who's more NFL-ready.

SOURCE: PFF

Mar 13, 2022, 9:55 PM ET

Pro Football Network's Tony Pauline reports the Commanders had a "big turnout" at North Carolina QB Sam Howell's pro day.

The Saints also had representatives in attendance at Howell's pro day, Pauline reports. A solid deep ball thrower with passable mobility, Howell could be a target for either franchise in the first round of the 2022 NFL Draft. Howell could slot in behind Carson Wentz in Washington or Jameis Winston in New Orleans, both of whom profile as temporary bridge quarterbacks more than franchise signal callers. Howell in three seasons as North Carolina's starter completed 63.9 percent of his attempts for 92 touchdowns and 23 interceptions, logging a solid 9.9 adjusted yards per attempt. He had the seventh highest QB rating among college quarterbacks in 2020, and the 27th in 2021.

SOURCE: Tony Pauline on Twitter

Mar 28, 2022, 11:54 AM ET

Tommy Jaggi @TommyJaggi

You can have questions about Sam Howell's game, but if you think he doesn't have an NFL arm, you haven't watched him.

From the opposite 36 to the 1, hash to boundary, this ball was essentially a 70-yard dime in stride. One of the best deep-ball throwers in college football.

https://twitter.com/tommyjaggi/status/1508469046462791685?s=21

Jordan Reid @Jordan_Reid

66-throw script for Sam Howell. Really enjoyed how diverse it was. A great mixture of under-center and shotgun throws that involved lots of pocket movement. He throws a beautiful deep ball. Displayed different variances of touch and velocity today.

https://twitter.com/jordan_reid/status/1508473354218622977?s=21

UNC HC Mack Brown joined the Rich Eisen Show and made the case for QB Same Howell.

Howell (6'1/225) has seen his stock drop compared to where it was last season. Brown said on the Rich Eisen Show "We weren't as good. We lose two great receivers to the NFL two years ago, we lose two outstanding running backs. So we weren't as good." There's validity to Brown's argument, after Howell went from 3586-30-7 in 2020 to 3056-24-9 in 2021. Howell's rushing production saw a significant boost in 2021 however, when he rushed for 183-828-11. His previous high in rushing yards was 146. Howell still carries a first round draft grade amongst some scouts, while others view him as more of a second rounder.

SOURCE: 247Sports.com

Apr 1, 2022, 1:44 PM ET

North Carolina QB Sam Howell has had the most big-time throws amongst FBS quarterbacks since 2019.

PFF's definition of a Big Time Throw is "a pass of the highest end of both difficulty and value. It's a throw made with excellent timing and ball location while also being thrown further down the field into a tight window." If you look at Howell (6'1/225), he's a dynamic passer, and mixed with his mobility he has a ton of promise. This was a down year by his standards, but with a below-average offensive line, he still threw for over 3,000 yards, 24 touchdowns, and a career-high 4.5 rushing yards per rush. He's getting a lot of attention in the first round and if you compare him to his peers in this draft, his passing abilities have him as the most NFL-ready quarterback.

SOURCE: PFF College

Apr 2, 2022, 3:20 PM ET

North Carolina QB Sam Howell was compared to Denver Broncos QB Russell Wilson.

Howell (6'1/225) is one of many quarterbacks who have been listed among the top prospects at the position ahead of the 2022 NFL Draft -- hardly anyone can agree on who No. 1 is, though. The Tar Heels offense seemed to be rolling best when Howell was involved in both the ground game and the passing game, something quarterbacks like current Denver Broncos signal-caller Russell Wilson are known for. It's for the reason Howell drew a comparison to Wilson from Michael Hull of PFF. Here's what Hull had to say about the two: "The North Carolina native shares many of his qualities with the new star quarterback in the Mile High City. Wilson thrives on his patented moon ball, posting a 6.1% big-time throw rate in 2021. For his career, the former Seattle Seahawk has never posted an average depth of target lower than 9.1 yards, and his short of sticks percentage has never exceeded 50.6%. The similarities don’t stop with the deep shots, though. Wilson is also one of the more aggressive runners at the quarterback position, rushing for over 5,000 yards on 1,001 attempts over his career. Wilson is slightly faster than Howell, though, running a 4.55-second 40-yard dash. Howell didn’t run the 40-yard dash at the combine, but he ran a 5.07-second 40 in high school."

Apr 3, 2022, 3:57 PM ET

Ain't readin' all that...

 

[Gawain]

Any concern about the McLaurin turf toe impact to the offensive talent? Dotson ready to be a WR1?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Any concern about the McLaurin turf toe impact to the offensive talent? Dotson ready to be a WR1?

Of course it’s a concern, but it’s only likely a couple weeks, and Dayami Brown and the RBs should help to pick up the slack.

It might even mean more running for Howell.

 

[Faust]

Commanders coach Ron Rivera admits he didn't know what he had in Sam Howell last season

 

[Magnum83]

Price check on Howell in ffpc supeflex? Does he cost a first now? What’s it take to get him?

 

[JohnnyU]

Was just offered Mostert for Howell and I’m leaning no even if I would still beOk at QB and I’m weak at RB. Not really interested in a 31 year old RB.

 

[JohnnyU]

Was just offered Mostert for Howell and I’m leaning no even if I would still beOk at QB and I’m weak at RB. Not really interested in a 31 year old RB.

I countered with Howell for a 2023 2nd rd pick. Start 1QB league 6 pts per passing TD. I may be headed for a rebuild. I have Goff Watson Purdy and Bryce Young, so why not. All I know is that I don’t want a 31 year old RB for him.

 

[Mister CIA]

Was just offered Mostert for Howell and I’m leaning no even if I would still beOk at QB and I’m weak at RB. Not really interested in a 31 year old RB.

I countered with Howell for a 2023 2nd rd pick. Start 1QB league 6 pts per passing TD. I may be headed for a rebuild. I have Goff Watson Purdy and Bryce Young, so why not. All I know is that I don’t want a 31 year old RB for him.

Well, how about Goff for Mostert? I'm mainly looking for bye-week protection week 7 when Burrow and Dak are out, and I totally get wanting to hold young assets.

 

[Ilov80s]

Was just offered Mostert for Howell and I’m leaning no even if I would still beOk at QB and I’m weak at RB. Not really interested in a 31 year old RB.

Yeah for SF Howell is way better imo. Mostert will score points when he plays but how long is that?

 

[Mister CIA]

Was just offered Mostert for Howell and I’m leaning no even if I would still beOk at QB and I’m weak at RB. Not really interested in a 31 year old RB.

Yeah for SF Howell is way better imo. Mostert will score points when he plays but how long is that?

It's start 1 QB, not SF. I was aiming for his QB5.

 

[Ilov80s]

Was just offered Mostert for Howell and I’m leaning no even if I would still beOk at QB and I’m weak at RB. Not really interested in a 31 year old RB.

Yeah for SF Howell is way better imo. Mostert will score points when he plays but how long is that?

It's start 1 QB, not SF. I was aiming for his QB5.

Oh that makes a lot more sense. I saw the previous post about SF and had that on my mind. I’m glad I wasn’t rude because I was thinking the deal for SF was insane.

 

[Mister CIA]

Was just offered Mostert for Howell and I’m leaning no even if I would still beOk at QB and I’m weak at RB. Not really interested in a 31 year old RB.

Yeah for SF Howell is way better imo. Mostert will score points when he plays but how long is that?

It's start 1 QB, not SF. I was aiming for his QB5.

Oh that makes a lot more sense. I saw the previous post about SF and had that on my mind. I’m glad I wasn’t rude because I was thinking the deal for SF was insane.

You're never rude, dude. I've since offered a 3rd rounder (early 3rd, good chance) for Howell. Feels about right.

 

[J Giles Band]

Enjoying the public negotiation in the Shark Pool... as I understand it this is where we stand:

JohnnyU: asking for a 2nd round pick for Howell
Mister CIA: offering a 3rd round pick for Howell

Fascinated to learn the outcome...

 

[Blick]

I was QB needy (no back up) in a 1 QB league and trade a 3rd/Penny for Howell.

 

[Mister CIA]

Enjoying the public negotiation in the Shark Pool... as I understand it this is where we stand:

JohnnyU: asking for a 2nd round pick for Howell
Mister CIA: offering a 3rd round pick for Howell

Fascinated to learn the outcome...

I totally caved.

Gave: Mostert and my 2024 3rd (mid-rounder)

Got: Sam Howell

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Enjoying the public negotiation in the Shark Pool... as I understand it this is where we stand:

JohnnyU: asking for a 2nd round pick for Howell
Mister CIA: offering a 3rd round pick for Howell

Fascinated to learn the outcome...

Much more interesting than the semantics that otherwise dominated the last few days of this thread.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Enjoying the public negotiation in the Shark Pool... as I understand it this is where we stand:

JohnnyU: asking for a 2nd round pick for Howell
Mister CIA: offering a 3rd round pick for Howell

Fascinated to learn the outcome...

I totally caved.

Gave: Mostert and my 2024 3rd (mid-rounder)

Got: Sam Howell

Fair. Appears to give both teams what they need.

 

[J Giles Band]

I totally caved.

Gave: Mostert and my 2024 3rd (mid-rounder)

Got: Sam Howell

 

[J Giles Band]

Much more interesting than the semantics that otherwise dominated the last few days of this thread.

For sure... but he can't help it. He didn't go to college. He went to State.

 

[Tau837]

Much more interesting than the semantics that otherwise dominated the last few days of this thread.

For sure... but he can't help it. He didn't go to college. He went to State.

Who are you referencing who "dominated the last few days of this thread?"

I posted in this thread 5 times last Sunday and Monday. The other guy posted 18 times in that same period. Did he go to a State university?

 

[JohnnyU]

Enjoying the public negotiation in the Shark Pool... as I understand it this is where we stand:

JohnnyU: asking for a 2nd round pick for Howell
Mister CIA: offering a 3rd round pick for Howell

Fascinated to learn the outcome...

I totally caved.

Gave: Mostert and my 2024 3rd (mid-rounder)

Got: Sam Howell

Fair. Appears to give both teams what they need.

I’m not excited about the trade, but when JT went to IR this can help. However, we start 1-5 RB, 1-5 WR,1-4 TE. I was starting Javonte Williams and Gainwell, who I replaced with Mostert.

 

[Mister CIA]

Enjoying the public negotiation in the Shark Pool... as I understand it this is where we stand:

JohnnyU: asking for a 2nd round pick for Howell
Mister CIA: offering a 3rd round pick for Howell

Fascinated to learn the outcome...

I totally caved.

Gave: Mostert and my 2024 3rd (mid-rounder)

Got: Sam Howell

Fair. Appears to give both teams what they need.

I’m not excited about the trade, but when JT went to IR this can help. However, we start 1-5 RB, 1-5 WR,1-4 TE. I was starting Javonte Williams and Gainwell, who I replaced with Mostert.

I'm excited.

 

[higgins]

 

[JohnnyU]

Enjoying the public negotiation in the Shark Pool... as I understand it this is where we stand:

JohnnyU: asking for a 2nd round pick for Howell
Mister CIA: offering a 3rd round pick for Howell

Fascinated to learn the outcome...

I totally caved.

Gave: Mostert and my 2024 3rd (mid-rounder)

Got: Sam Howell

Fair. Appears to give both teams what they need.

I’m not excited about the trade, but when JT went to IR this can help. However, we start 1-5 RB, 1-5 WR,1-4 TE. I was starting Javonte Williams and Gainwell, who I replaced with Mostert.

I'm excited.

Hope it works, because I have Howell in several leagues for practically free. Obviously QB isn’t an issue in this league.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Enjoying the public negotiation in the Shark Pool... as I understand it this is where we stand:

JohnnyU: asking for a 2nd round pick for Howell
Mister CIA: offering a 3rd round pick for Howell

Fascinated to learn the outcome...

I was going to ask if they had a blog or newsletter we could subscribe to, but I guess it’s the Sam Howell topic.

 

[Mister CIA]

End Scene

 

[Scooby1974]

Just spoke with Howell, he's going for 3 in the air and 1 on the ground against the hapless Cardinals.

 

[Faust]

Breaking down Commanders QB Sam Howell's impressive preseason