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QB Shedeur Sanders, CLE (14 Viewers)

Hmmnn.
Is it possible that Shedeur falls out of the first round?
Todd McShay pod that came out today.
G-Men are split on Shedeur.
New Orleans are NOT going to take Shedeur in the 1st and 'probably' wouldn't take him in the 2nd if he is available.
How many QBs will go in the 1st round? Hint - less than 2.
What I’m Hearing: Edge's Rising and Two Top-Five Shake-Ups. Plus, QB2 in Round 2? | The McShay Show
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Chris Simms only has one QB going in the first round.
2025 NFL Mock Draft: No QB trades? | Chris Simms Unbuttoned (FULL Ep. 713) | NFL on NBC
(1:29:10) Missed Round 1: QB Shedeur Sanders, QB Jaxson Dart, S Nick Emmanwori
 
Uncle Leo said:
Mel Kiper Jr. has Sanders as his QB1. There is no way Sanders falls out of round 1.
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This is where I land as well.

QBs rule the roost in today’s NFL. If you don’t have one, you have to go and get one. I think there are enough QB-needy teams that I don’t see this “he’s gonna fall out of the first round” narrative adding up, especially when iffy prospects like Pickett and Trey Lance both go in the first round.

I’d bet my 2nd born on it ;)
 
Donnybrook said:
Grahamburn said:
Faust said:
Ross Tucker Podcast
“If Shedeur Sanders falls to 9, you almost HAVE to take him because he's an elite prospect.”

@FBallGameplan on what the Saints should do following Derek Carr’s injury:
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Elite QB prospects don't fall to 9.
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Mahomes and Lamar Jackson beg to differ.
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They ended up being elite QBs, but they weren't elite prospects. There's a difference.
 
eighsse2 said:
warpig33 said:
No way Sanders falls out of the 1st.
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I agree. And I'm pretty low on Sanders, but I just can't see that happening.
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The last bad QB draft class was in 2022 when Kenny Pickett was the only QB taken.
This class has Ward who will go #1 so it isn't going to be as bad but look at the final rankings of the top prospects from that year.
These are not mock drafts but actual rankings of the top talent.
Mocks tend to push need of QB higher than overall rankings that rate players against the field but obviously they got it wrong that year.
2022 NFL Draft Top 100 prospect rankings:

7. Malik Willis, QB, Liberty​

13. Kenny Pickett, QB, Pittsburgh​

28. Desmond Ridder, QB, Cincinnati​

NFL Draft prospects 2022: Final big board of top 200 players overall

25. Malik Willis, QB, Liberty (6-0, 219 pounds)​

27. Kenny Pickett, QB, Pittsburgh (6-3, 217 pounds)​

31. Desmond Ridder, QB, Cincinnati (6-3, 211 pounds)​

 
joey said:
Uncle Leo said:
Mel Kiper Jr. has Sanders as his QB1. There is no way Sanders falls out of round 1.
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This is where I land as well.

QBs rule the roost in today’s NFL. If you don’t have one, you have to go and get one. I think there are enough QB-needy teams that I don’t see this “he’s gonna fall out of the first round” narrative adding up, especially when iffy prospects like Pickett and Trey Lance both go in the first round.

I’d bet my 2nd born on it ;)
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Man, you're really trying to get rid of that one.

I'm going to wait for the price drop.
 
Chaka said:
I'm not sure I can recall such a polarizing player in draft history.

We'll find out in a few hours what NFL teams actually think about him.
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I don't think we really find out much unless he drops significantly....nobody is really going to say much so it's all about things unsaid and the action of him dropping...if he goes top 10 or so, there really won't be much to digest....it only takes one team to really make it a nothing burger...but I agree heading in he has definitely moved the needle more then most...
 
I have to admit... I really expected his dad to not STFU for a second this offseason, and be a Lavar Ball v2.0... I was very wrong.

And that said, I like the kid more now because of it. I kinda hope if he slides, CLE moves back up for him.
 
Schefter reporting the Broncos are fielding a ton of calls for #20

Rumors are that Sanders is the target if he falls to that spot. Snipe him from the Steelers at 21

Makes sense for both Denver and teams (Giants/Saints/Browns) looking to trade up from early 2nd round
 
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I feel like he's going to slide quite a ways in the first and someone will trade up for him in the back half of the 1st and it will be lauded as some "amazing steal of the draft."

And of course the truth is we won't know for sure if he's any good for multiple years.
 
Heading into the NFL draft, who was a better QB prospect, SSanders, LJackson, JHurts?

Is SS the next Lamar? Absolutely not. Is he a better prospect than JHurts? I think so (yes Jalen, I still love you).

If folks dont want to draft SS, fine. Anyone claiming he is not a solid prospect is delusional IMHO.
 
Bracie Smathers said:
eighsse2 said:
warpig33 said:
No way Sanders falls out of the 1st.
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I agree. And I'm pretty low on Sanders, but I just can't see that happening.
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The last bad QB draft class was in 2022 when Kenny Pickett was the only QB taken.
This class has Ward who will go #1 so it isn't going to be as bad but look at the final rankings of the top prospects from that year.
These are not mock drafts but actual rankings of the top talent.
Mocks tend to push need of QB higher than overall rankings that rate players against the field but obviously they got it wrong that year.
2022 NFL Draft Top 100 prospect rankings:

7. Malik Willis, QB, Liberty​

13. Kenny Pickett, QB, Pittsburgh​

28. Desmond Ridder, QB, Cincinnati​

NFL Draft prospects 2022: Final big board of top 200 players overall

25. Malik Willis, QB, Liberty (6-0, 219 pounds)​

27. Kenny Pickett, QB, Pittsburgh (6-3, 217 pounds)​

31. Desmond Ridder, QB, Cincinnati (6-3, 211 pounds)​

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Gross. :sick:
 
travdogg said:
JAA said:
Heading into the NFL draft, who was a better QB prospect, SSanders, LJackson, JHurts?

Is SS the next Lamar? Absolutely not. Is he a better prospect than JHurts? I think so (yes Jalen, I still love you).

If folks dont want to draft SS, fine. Anyone claiming he is not a solid prospect is delusional IMHO.
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Lamar was EASILY the best prospect of those 3.
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My take as well, and I didn't even love Lamar coming out like most.

I'd say Sanders and Hurts were closer. Hurts had the higher ceiling and the rushing upside, SS would have the higher floor and a much lower bust potential. I would not have been surprised to see Hurts go to permanent backup or even out of the league in 3 years. I think Sanders will have a long career even if he doesn't hit big, so long as he/his father aren't headaches or toxic for a team. If he can improve on his pocket presence/awareness and stop taking so many sacks; I think all his other skills have more longevity than QBs who rely a ton on athletics which have a shorter life and sharper drop off.
 
JAA said:
Heading into the NFL draft, who was a better QB prospect, SSanders, LJackson, JHurts?

Is SS the next Lamar? Absolutely not. Is he a better prospect than JHurts? I think so (yes Jalen, I still love you).

If folks dont want to draft SS, fine. Anyone claiming he is not a solid prospect is delusional IMHO.
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He's a solid prospect but I think back to an article a few months ago where ESPN polled NFL people to rank first round QB's since 2020 and Sanders finished 20th out of 21, only ahead of Pickett and I'm going to assume that ranking was purely on the field play.

Agree with previous two posts that Lamar was a much better prospect, though considerably more raw IMO from a dropback passing standpoint. Sanders IMO is well ahead of these two in that category, which usually makes you more NFL ready.

I know it's hard to distinguish what we've seen from these players in the NFL vs prospects but just looking at Ward and Sanders vs last years class, as prospects only, this is how I'd rank them, how would others?

Caleb
Daniels
Maye

McCarthy

Nix
Ward
Penix
Sanders
 
Barring a team trading up earlier I put his ceiling tonight is 21.

View Steelers as only team that "might" take him with their initial first round pick. I'm of the opinion they will pass but not confidence level in that is more like 70/30 but do think someone will stop his fall tonight by trading up into round to get him.
 
menobrown said:
JAA said:
Heading into the NFL draft, who was a better QB prospect, SSanders, LJackson, JHurts?

Is SS the next Lamar? Absolutely not. Is he a better prospect than JHurts? I think so (yes Jalen, I still love you).

If folks dont want to draft SS, fine. Anyone claiming he is not a solid prospect is delusional IMHO.
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He's a solid prospect but I think back to an article a few months ago where ESPN polled NFL people to rank first round QB's since 2020 and Sanders finished 20th out of 21, only ahead of Pickett and I'm going to assume that ranking was purely on the field play.

Agree with previous two posts that Lamar was a much better prospect, though considerably more raw IMO from a dropback passing standpoint. Sanders IMO is well ahead of these two in that category, which usually makes you more NFL ready.

I know it's hard to distinguish what we've seen from these players in the NFL vs prospects but just looking at Ward and Sanders vs last years class, as prospects only, this is how I'd rank them, how would others?

Caleb
Daniels
Maye

McCarthy

Nix
Ward
Penix
Sanders
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Pretty similar for me too, I'm a little higher on Ward, and maybe McCarthy. I'd have the last 2 classes (as prospects, obviously Daniels has exceeded all expectations, and would be the no-brainer #1 in hindsight)

1. Caleb
2. Maye
3. Ward
4. Daniels
5. McCarthy

6. Nix
7. Penix
8. Sanders
 
SSanders draft night reminds me of Geno Smith. Some thought he could be the 1.1 or 1.2 in the draft. He ends up 2.1 and reminds everyone how immature he was at the time with his tantrum.

SSanders could easily have the same trajectory as Geno.
 
Buckna said:
I feel like he's going to slide quite a ways in the first and someone will trade up for him in the back half of the 1st and it will be lauded as some "amazing steal of the draft."

And of course the truth is we won't know for sure if he's any good for multiple years.
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I see this being Cleveland. It makes too much sense for them to trade up to #20 to pair Sanders with Hunter, and get in front of Pittsburgh
 
Deamon said:
Buckna said:
I feel like he's going to slide quite a ways in the first and someone will trade up for him in the back half of the 1st and it will be lauded as some "amazing steal of the draft."

And of course the truth is we won't know for sure if he's any good for multiple years.
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I see this being Cleveland. It makes too much sense for them to trade up to #20 to pair Sanders with Hunter, and get in front of Pittsburgh
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I agree with this....however if SS is the guy for PIT....I could actually see them moving up slightly to get him with the threat of DEN trading out to CLE (or somebody else) right in front of them...if he is your guy....you go get your guy.....there's enough smoke of somebody moving in front of them to justify moving up themselves..
 
Deamon said:
Buckna said:
I feel like he's going to slide quite a ways in the first and someone will trade up for him in the back half of the 1st and it will be lauded as some "amazing steal of the draft."

And of course the truth is we won't know for sure if he's any good for multiple years.
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I see this being Cleveland. It makes too much sense for them to trade up to #20 to pair Sanders with Hunter, and get in front of Pittsburgh
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Cleveland is my guess as well, but I don't think they need to move ahead of Pittsburgh. Believe they'll sit back and try and pay less to move up a few spots into back of round one. Might up their aggressiveness if Dart goes, who I think the two main teams drafting early round two they are competing for QB's against prefer.
 
menobrown said:
Barring a team trading up earlier I put his ceiling tonight is 21.

View Steelers as only team that "might" take him with their initial first round pick. I'm of the opinion they will pass but not confidence level in that is more like 70/30 but do think someone will stop his fall tonight by trading up into round to get him.
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I'm rooting for pass myself haha.

I could see someone trading into a spot or two before our pick to grab him as well.
 
pinkstapler said:
menobrown said:
Barring a team trading up earlier I put his ceiling tonight is 21.

View Steelers as only team that "might" take him with their initial first round pick. I'm of the opinion they will pass but not confidence level in that is more like 70/30 but do think someone will stop his fall tonight by trading up into round to get him.
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I'm rooting for pass myself haha.

I could see someone trading into a spot or two before our pick to grab him as well.
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Honestly my dominant football thought the past week was if I wanted the Steelers to take Sanders at 21 if he's available or pass. I have been in same holding pattern of preferring they pass, but if they do take him I'm going to allow myself to get excited about it/him. Hope is free and it's something I can convince myself to believe in so why not.
 
menobrown said:
pinkstapler said:
menobrown said:
Barring a team trading up earlier I put his ceiling tonight is 21.

View Steelers as only team that "might" take him with their initial first round pick. I'm of the opinion they will pass but not confidence level in that is more like 70/30 but do think someone will stop his fall tonight by trading up into round to get him.
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I'm rooting for pass myself haha.

I could see someone trading into a spot or two before our pick to grab him as well.
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Honestly my dominant football thought the past week was if I wanted the Steelers to take Sanders at 21 if he's available or pass. I have been in same holding pattern of preferring they pass, but if they do take him I'm going to allow myself to get excited about it/him. Hope is free and it's something I can convince myself to believe in so why not.
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I'm 100% stealing this. I mean, in comparison, I love him worlds better than I did Kenny Pickett. And really it'd be kind of hypocritical of me to be negative of it after they take him as most of my gripes on the Steelers over the past 6-7 years come from not trying anything new or making a splash. Taking advantage of a unique draft year where they can get a top 2 QB (in the class) without having to have a top 10 pick is certainly splashy. And odds are, we won't have a high pick next year either; so we won't likely get a chance like this again.

As down as I am on Sanders, it was largely tied to him being propped up as a top 5 pick or so. 21 feels more palatable. And also, some of it is tied to me not liking how he comes off in interviews and a worry his father could be a distraction. Both issues are subjective, I could be very well be wrong and they could be nothing-burgers. And even if they aren't, Steelers have a pretty solid history of mitigating headaches and distractions.

Look at this, I'm already slapping that rose tint on my glasses! Hah
 
pinkstapler said:
travdogg said:
JAA said:
Heading into the NFL draft, who was a better QB prospect, SSanders, LJackson, JHurts?

Is SS the next Lamar? Absolutely not. Is he a better prospect than JHurts? I think so (yes Jalen, I still love you).

If folks dont want to draft SS, fine. Anyone claiming he is not a solid prospect is delusional IMHO.
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Lamar was EASILY the best prospect of those 3.
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My take as well, and I didn't even love Lamar coming out like most.

I'd say Sanders and Hurts were closer. Hurts had the higher ceiling and the rushing upside, SS would have the higher floor and a much lower bust potential. I would not have been surprised to see Hurts go to permanent backup or even out of the league in 3 years. I think Sanders will have a long career even if he doesn't hit big, so long as he/his father aren't headaches or toxic for a team. If he can improve on his pocket presence/awareness and stop taking so many sacks; I think all his other skills have more longevity than QBs who rely a ton on athletics which have a shorter life and sharper drop off.
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Isn't Jalen Milroe a more apt prospect style-wise to those 2 than Sanders?
 
I feel alot of the discourse around Shedeur this draft season has had an underlying current of 'agenda'...I can't help but think of Deion's famous Colorado arrival speech about him 'bringing Louis'.

I'd equate this a bit to the Falcons, and maybe more specifically Arthur Blank's, flirtation with Bill Belichick. Long story short...Belichick wasn't hired in large part because the existing organization that worked under Blank, and likely would have faced job security issues if Blank were to have hired him, was not on board. While Belichick reportedly indicated a 'willingness' to work with existing people, once he's in the henhouse...

And so, whether Deion would bolt COL to coach Shedeur if whichever team drafted him struggled. Or say Shedeur struggled and Deion said something in a press conference. The fact is that at the end of the day, Shedeur is still the son of an NFL100 player who coaches a D1 program and has the credentials and the cache to lord over whichever organization does draft Shedeur.

It's not Shedeur's fault. It's not Deion's fault. It just is...and so I think it's alot easier to attack the kid. I'm not saying he's the best QB prospect, but his 'Louis' so to speak is pretty significant.
 
If Shadeur was going Round 1 they'd be at the draft.

He's just not an elite QB prospect. Doesn't mean he still can't be a possible starter down the road. There's still a lot to like. Think his best spot will be to a franchise with an entrenched 2025 starter
 
Craig_MiamiFL said:
If Shadeur was going Round 1 they'd be at the draft.

He's just not an elite QB prospect. Doesn't mean he still can't be a possible starter down the road. There's still a lot to like. Think his best spot will be to a franchise with an entrenched 2025 starter
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Joe Thomas was not an elite OT either
 
JAA said:
Craig_MiamiFL said:
If Shadeur was going Round 1 they'd be at the draft.

He's just not an elite QB prospect. Doesn't mean he still can't be a possible starter down the road. There's still a lot to like. Think his best spot will be to a franchise with an entrenched 2025 starter
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Joe Thomas was not an elite OT either
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If Browns trade back to 5 is he back in play? Don’t think so, more wondering out loud
 
joey said:
Uncle Leo said:
Mel Kiper Jr. has Sanders as his QB1. There is no way Sanders falls out of round 1.
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This is where I land as well.

QBs rule the roost in today’s NFL. If you don’t have one, you have to go and get one. I think there are enough QB-needy teams that I don’t see this “he’s gonna fall out of the first round” narrative adding up, especially when iffy prospects like Pickett and Trey Lance both go in the first round.

I’d bet my 2nd born on it ;)
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I'm starting to worry about your boy
 
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