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I'm not sure I've ever used the "lmao" emoticon before. I think it's over used and should only saved for when people really say something silly.I got Peyton Manning in the 5th of the fpc, Cam went in the 6th. I question your "real" drafts if you are not in the fpc, ffpc, or nffc.local leagues versus playing with the big boys are very different.Fpc adp data http://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/article.php?article=13ffpcadp
Not sure what is so funny. Have you played in the high stakes leagues? FFPC, NFFC??I'm not sure I've ever used the "lmao" emoticon before. I think it's over used and should only saved for when people really say something silly.I got Peyton Manning in the 5th of the fpc, Cam went in the 6th. I question your "real" drafts if you are not in the fpc, ffpc, or nffc.
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You can't say that a backup QB has no value to your team, though. Last year, Matt Stafford was the 4th QB off the board. Eli Manning was 6th. Mike Vick was 8th. Philip Rivers was 11th. Would those teams have derived no value from drafting an early backup? Would the guy who took Tom Brady in 2008 have derived no value from drafting a backup early? You can't just look at it like "okay, so I took a QB early, so my backup will literally not produce any value for me whatsoever except as a bye-week fill-in".It has been some years since I have seen anyone talking about this. But it might be interesting to revisit the idea of blocking.
What I mean by blocking is taking a player not because you need the player, but because the points that player will give your opponent is more negative value to you than drafting another player who would be a positive for you.
Especially at the QB position where things are somewhat more linear. Based on your projections you may see that there is one QB left available who will give a 4pt/game advantage over the rest of the QB available. You may be looking at a RB or WR that you need compared to this QB that you don't due to having already drafted a QB before. So in that sense you are not gaining any value for the QB pick to your total potential points scored, as you will likely be starting the QB you drafted before. However if all the other players remaining to you are only offering a 2pt/game advantage. You have to ask yourself if you might not be better off giving your opponents -4pts/game or if you should take the 2pt/game for your team. Which if you have not yet filled all of your positions/flex options is very relevant.
What I recall from the last time this was discussed at length most found that blocking was not a worthwhile strategy. Mainly because it is only giving you an advantage against one team, while picking a position of need gives you that advantage against the field. I am not sure I entirely agree with this counter argument. I think the idea is interesting and worth re-visiting.
Of course when Dalton scores as much as most of those top 12 QB you will be saying why didn't I wait longer. But that is another story.
Thought it was pretty obvious, I thought it was funny too.pizzatyme said:Not sure what is so funny. Have you played in the high stakes leagues? FFPC, NFFC??Hoss Style said:I'm not sure I've ever used the "lmao" emoticon before. I think it's over used and should only saved for when people really say something silly.ImTheScientist said:I got Peyton Manning in the 5th of the fpc, Cam went in the 6th. I question your "real" drafts if you are not in the fpc, ffpc, or nffc.Man of Zen said:
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True, competition does. With that said you don't find half interested people in high stake formats. The guy you will try to trade your entire bench for Aaron Rodgers isn't around to help you.Thought it was pretty obvious, I thought it was funny too.pizzatyme said:Not sure what is so funny. Have you played in the high stakes leagues? FFPC, NFFC??Hoss Style said:I'm not sure I've ever used the "lmao" emoticon before. I think it's over used and should only saved for when people really say something silly.*ahem*ImTheScientist said:I got Peyton Manning in the 5th of the fpc, Cam went in the 6th. I question your "real" drafts if you are not in the fpc, ffpc, or nffc.Man of Zen said:
The same philosophy for any game applies to fantasy football. Your bankroll does not determine your level of skill - fish exist at every level.
I know people that play $1/$2 card games that they made up and no one who wasn't a degenerate gambler would even consider playing, they play in several 10-14 team $500-$1500 leagues and they are all worse than everyone in my leagues, $20/$25/$30/$50.True, competition does. With that said you don't find half interested people in high stake formats. The guy you will try to trade your entire bench for Aaron Rodgers isn't around to help you.Thought it was pretty obvious, I thought it was funny too.pizzatyme said:Not sure what is so funny. Have you played in the high stakes leagues? FFPC, NFFC??Hoss Style said:I'm not sure I've ever used the "lmao" emoticon before. I think it's over used and should only saved for when people really say something silly.*ahem*ImTheScientist said:I got Peyton Manning in the 5th of the fpc, Cam went in the 6th. I question your "real" drafts if you are not in the fpc, ffpc, or nffc.Man of Zen said:
The same philosophy for any game applies to fantasy football. Your bankroll does not determine your level of skill - fish exist at every level.
I think Run it Up summed it up perfectly. I thought you'd understand too, pizza, based off of your other past, well thought out posts.Thought it was pretty obvious, I thought it was funny too.pizzatyme said:Not sure what is so funny. Have you played in the high stakes leagues? FFPC, NFFC??Hoss Style said:I'm not sure I've ever used the "lmao" emoticon before. I think it's over used and should only saved for when people really say something silly.ImTheScientist said:I got Peyton Manning in the 5th of the fpc, Cam went in the 6th. I question your "real" drafts if you are not in the fpc, ffpc, or nffc.Man of Zen said:
*ahem*
The same philosophy for any game applies to fantasy football. Your bankroll does not determine your level of skill - fish exist at every level.
I guess I was thinking more about using an earlier pick for a 2nd QB. Similar to as I have heard Bloom talk about taking Graham and Gronkowski.Adam Harstad said:You can't say that a backup QB has no value to your team, though. Last year, Matt Stafford was the 4th QB off the board. Eli Manning was 6th. Mike Vick was 8th. Philip Rivers was 11th. Would those teams have derived no value from drafting an early backup? Would the guy who took Tom Brady in 2008 have derived no value from drafting a backup early? You can't just look at it like "okay, so I took a QB early, so my backup will literally not produce any value for me whatsoever except as a bye-week fill-in".Biabreakable said:It has been some years since I have seen anyone talking about this. But it might be interesting to revisit the idea of blocking.Adam Harstad said:
What I mean by blocking is taking a player not because you need the player, but because the points that player will give your opponent is more negative value to you than drafting another player who would be a positive for you.
Especially at the QB position where things are somewhat more linear. Based on your projections you may see that there is one QB left available who will give a 4pt/game advantage over the rest of the QB available. You may be looking at a RB or WR that you need compared to this QB that you don't due to having already drafted a QB before. So in that sense you are not gaining any value for the QB pick to your total potential points scored, as you will likely be starting the QB you drafted before. However if all the other players remaining to you are only offering a 2pt/game advantage. You have to ask yourself if you might not be better off giving your opponents -4pts/game or if you should take the 2pt/game for your team. Which if you have not yet filled all of your positions/flex options is very relevant.
What I recall from the last time this was discussed at length most found that blocking was not a worthwhile strategy. Mainly because it is only giving you an advantage against one team, while picking a position of need gives you that advantage against the field. I am not sure I entirely agree with this counter argument. I think the idea is interesting and worth re-visiting.
Of course when Dalton scores as much as most of those top 12 QB you will be saying why didn't I wait longer. But that is another story.
I believe that Griffin is an 60+ VBD player this year. If I'm sitting in the 8th round, and my choice is between Griffin (who I view as an 60-VBD player) or a guy like Miles Austin (who might be a 10-20 VBD player), then I'm taking Griffin. Either I can trade him for much more than Miles Austin, or else I get nearly half as much VBD just from starting Griffin during my bye week as I'd get from starting Austin for the full year. Worst case scenario, there are just 30 60+ VBD players, and I take one of them out of the pool, and that has value, too.
I'm not saying that I'm going to draft my 11th ranked QB as the 11th QB off the board just because I think the dropoff is big. I'm saying that if we're in the 8th round, and my 5th ranked QB is still on the board, and the next-best QB ranks 12th, I'm absolutely taking my 5th ranked QB all day long.
Three paragraphs is not letting it lie.I think Run it Up summed it up perfectly. I thought you'd understand too, pizza, based off of your other past, well thought out posts.Thought it was pretty obvious, I thought it was funny too.pizzatyme said:Not sure what is so funny. Have you played in the high stakes leagues? FFPC, NFFC??Hoss Style said:I'm not sure I've ever used the "lmao" emoticon before. I think it's over used and should only saved for when people really say something silly.ImTheScientist said:I got Peyton Manning in the 5th of the fpc, Cam went in the 6th. I question your "real" drafts if you are not in the fpc, ffpc, or nffc.Man of Zen said:
*ahem*
The same philosophy for any game applies to fantasy football. Your bankroll does not determine your level of skill - fish exist at every level.
To say that someone is not in a "real" draft because they are not in one of the more publicized Leagues out there is a very pretentious thing to think. Especially on these boards - where tons of people lurk that might not play those leagues anymore but are still in highly competitive leagues amongst "old pros" or friends that are every bit as competitive (and high stakes, I might add) as others. In fact, oftentimes more competitive, since you know your opponents and they know you, in many long standing leauges.
It was just a crappy way to talk down to someone. His league is real to him, and that's what counts. You must have misunderstood what I was laughing at, pizza, because I doubt you'd side with the belittling tone in the quote.
I'll let it lie. Dont want the thread to get derailed.
Got Romo and Dalton also. 11th QB taken for Romo (almost had Stafford, but he went 10th just before my pick). Took Dalton a little earlier than I needed to, but looking at who I could get for my other positions and knowing they'd still be available after taking my 2nd QB, I went ahead. No need to take undo chances.Andrew74 said:
I'm not trying to belittle someone's home league. There are some damn competitive home leagues out there. But I used to think the same thing about my very competitive home leagues. The problem is, I also found home leagues that were easy to dominate. Since I've stepped up to high stakes, I have a different perspective. That's why I asked my question. Until someone plays in the NFFC or FFPC events, they haven't the perspective to say all leagues are created equal.I think Run it Up summed it up perfectly. I thought you'd understand too, pizza, based off of your other past, well thought out posts.Thought it was pretty obvious, I thought it was funny too.pizzatyme said:Not sure what is so funny. Have you played in the high stakes leagues? FFPC, NFFC??Hoss Style said:I'm not sure I've ever used the "lmao" emoticon before. I think it's over used and should only saved for when people really say something silly.ImTheScientist said:I got Peyton Manning in the 5th of the fpc, Cam went in the 6th. I question your "real" drafts if you are not in the fpc, ffpc, or nffc.Man of Zen said:
*ahem*
The same philosophy for any game applies to fantasy football. Your bankroll does not determine your level of skill - fish exist at every level.
To say that someone is not in a "real" draft because they are not in one of the more publicized Leagues out there is a very pretentious thing to think. Especially on these boards - where tons of people lurk that might not play those leagues anymore but are still in highly competitive leagues amongst "old pros" or friends that are every bit as competitive (and high stakes, I might add) as others. In fact, oftentimes more competitive, since you know your opponents and they know you, in many long standing leauges.
It was just a crappy way to talk down to someone. His league is real to him, and that's what counts. You must have misunderstood what I was laughing at, pizza, because I doubt you'd side with the belittling tone in the quote.
I'll let it lie. Dont want the thread to get derailed.
Less chance of dead money, true, but it's definitely there. Saw some really terrible drafting in FPC and I only did 3 drafts. Also was in a league last year where 2 teams pretty much abandoned their teams (1 was not even out of it by any means). Not really competitive. Haven't had that happen in my local league.I'm not trying to belittle someone's home league. There are some damn competitive home leagues out there. But I used to think the same thing about my very competitive home leagues. The problem is, I also found home leagues that were easy to dominate. Since I've stepped up to high stakes, I have a different perspective. That's why I asked my question. Until someone plays in the NFFC or FFPC events, they haven't the perspective to say all leagues are created equal.I think Run it Up summed it up perfectly. I thought you'd understand too, pizza, based off of your other past, well thought out posts.Thought it was pretty obvious, I thought it was funny too.pizzatyme said:Not sure what is so funny. Have you played in the high stakes leagues? FFPC, NFFC??Hoss Style said:I'm not sure I've ever used the "lmao" emoticon before. I think it's over used and should only saved for when people really say something silly.ImTheScientist said:I got Peyton Manning in the 5th of the fpc, Cam went in the 6th. I question your "real" drafts if you are not in the fpc, ffpc, or nffc.Man of Zen said:
*ahem*
The same philosophy for any game applies to fantasy football. Your bankroll does not determine your level of skill - fish exist at every level.
To say that someone is not in a "real" draft because they are not in one of the more publicized Leagues out there is a very pretentious thing to think. Especially on these boards - where tons of people lurk that might not play those leagues anymore but are still in highly competitive leagues amongst "old pros" or friends that are every bit as competitive (and high stakes, I might add) as others. In fact, oftentimes more competitive, since you know your opponents and they know you, in many long standing leauges.
It was just a crappy way to talk down to someone. His league is real to him, and that's what counts. You must have misunderstood what I was laughing at, pizza, because I doubt you'd side with the belittling tone in the quote.
I'll let it lie. Dont want the thread to get derailed.
For the first couple of years in high stakes, I got my ### handed to me. I still do in some formats and therefore have limited my participation to my "expertise". I welcome anyone to join the FFPC next year. I believe you will find that the more leagues you play there, the less chance of finding "dead money".
Look me up on the FFPC message boards as "Just Russ". I'd enjoy playing in some leagues with those new to "high states" (Some drafts are as low as $77). Then we could discuss if anyone's perspective changed. Either way, give it a try.
Sorry to derail the thread. Last time I'll be off topic here.
I'm not trying to belittle someone's home league. There are some damn competitive home leagues out there. But I used to think the same thing about my very competitive home leagues. The problem is, I also found home leagues that were easy to dominate. Since I've stepped up to high stakes, I have a different perspective. That's why I asked my question. Until someone plays in the NFFC or FFPC events, they haven't the perspective to say all leagues are created equal.For the first couple of years in high stakes, I got my ### handed to me. I still do in some formats and therefore have limited my participation to my "expertise". I welcome anyone to join the FFPC next year. I believe you will find that the more leagues you play there, the less chance of finding "dead money".I think Run it Up summed it up perfectly. I thought you'd understand too, pizza, based off of your other past, well thought out posts.To say that someone is not in a "real" draft because they are not in one of the more publicized Leagues out there is a very pretentious thing to think. Especially on these boards - where tons of people lurk that might not play those leagues anymore but are still in highly competitive leagues amongst "old pros" or friends that are every bit as competitive (and high stakes, I might add) as others. In fact, oftentimes more competitive, since you know your opponents and they know you, in many long standing leauges.Thought it was pretty obvious, I thought it was funny too.The same philosophy for any game applies to fantasy football. Your bankroll does not determine your level of skill - fish exist at every level.pizzatyme said:Not sure what is so funny. Have you played in the high stakes leagues? FFPC, NFFC??Hoss Style said:I'm not sure I've ever used the "lmao" emoticon before. I think it's over used and should only saved for when people really say something silly.*ahem*ImTheScientist said:I got Peyton Manning in the 5th of the fpc, Cam went in the 6th. I question your "real" drafts if you are not in the fpc, ffpc, or nffc.Man of Zen said:
It was just a crappy way to talk down to someone. His league is real to him, and that's what counts. You must have misunderstood what I was laughing at, pizza, because I doubt you'd side with the belittling tone in the quote.
I'll let it lie. Dont want the thread to get derailed.
Look me up on the FFPC message boards as "Just Russ". I'd enjoy playing in some leagues with those new to "high states" (Some drafts are as low as $77). Then we could discuss if anyone's perspective changed. Either way, give it a try.
Sorry to derail the thread. Last time I'll be off topic here.
I don't consider the FPC high stakes. It has thousands of teams with owners who are jumping up in stakes from the $20 EF to the $350 for example. There are many horrible teams in that contest. It's a good place to win your league and take a crap shoot for something bigger for sure!Less chance of dead money, true, but it's definitely there. Saw some really terrible drafting in FPC and I only did 3 drafts. Also was in a league last year where 2 teams pretty much abandoned their teams (1 was not even out of it by any means). Not really competitive. Haven't had that happen in my local league.I'm not trying to belittle someone's home league. There are some damn competitive home leagues out there. But I used to think the same thing about my very competitive home leagues. The problem is, I also found home leagues that were easy to dominate. Since I've stepped up to high stakes, I have a different perspective. That's why I asked my question. Until someone plays in the NFFC or FFPC events, they haven't the perspective to say all leagues are created equal.I think Run it Up summed it up perfectly. I thought you'd understand too, pizza, based off of your other past, well thought out posts.Thought it was pretty obvious, I thought it was funny too.pizzatyme said:Not sure what is so funny. Have you played in the high stakes leagues? FFPC, NFFC??Hoss Style said:I'm not sure I've ever used the "lmao" emoticon before. I think it's over used and should only saved for when people really say something silly.ImTheScientist said:I got Peyton Manning in the 5th of the fpc, Cam went in the 6th. I question your "real" drafts if you are not in the fpc, ffpc, or nffc.Man of Zen said:
*ahem*
The same philosophy for any game applies to fantasy football. Your bankroll does not determine your level of skill - fish exist at every level.
To say that someone is not in a "real" draft because they are not in one of the more publicized Leagues out there is a very pretentious thing to think. Especially on these boards - where tons of people lurk that might not play those leagues anymore but are still in highly competitive leagues amongst "old pros" or friends that are every bit as competitive (and high stakes, I might add) as others. In fact, oftentimes more competitive, since you know your opponents and they know you, in many long standing leauges.
It was just a crappy way to talk down to someone. His league is real to him, and that's what counts. You must have misunderstood what I was laughing at, pizza, because I doubt you'd side with the belittling tone in the quote.
I'll let it lie. Dont want the thread to get derailed.
For the first couple of years in high stakes, I got my ### handed to me. I still do in some formats and therefore have limited my participation to my "expertise". I welcome anyone to join the FFPC next year. I believe you will find that the more leagues you play there, the less chance of finding "dead money".
Look me up on the FFPC message boards as "Just Russ". I'd enjoy playing in some leagues with those new to "high states" (Some drafts are as low as $77). Then we could discuss if anyone's perspective changed. Either way, give it a try.
Sorry to derail the thread. Last time I'll be off topic here.
As for the original conversation, I'm more than content with taking Brees/Rodgers if they are there. Or Brady in the 5th/6th. For me, it's stupid not to. I say that because I think QBs are the easiest to predict. If I see Brady getting ~25/week and Kaepernick/Wilson/other QBBC guys in the 8th/9th averaging ~21/week, I love that "guaranteed" 4 pt advantage. Mostly because I either don't feel confident that the guy I'll draft in the 4th/5th/6th (say D.Richardson/Nicks/Torrey) will be 4 pts (or more) better than the RB/WR I'll get in the 8th/9th. Or, alternatively (on a more confident note), I think I can snag someone in 8/9 who can compare, or perhaps beat those 4th-6th RBs/WRs, and still have my 4 pt QB advantage.
With being said, I LOVE that the group think is letting QBs fall, it's a gift getting a Brees/Rodgers/Brady in a 6pt/TD league in the 4th or later. I hope this trend continues next year.
Smart move. And this is why it's so important not to get locked into your pre-draft strategy. In my experience it's not often that you have the rest of the league with the same mindset, but when it does happen, that's the time to switch up yours on the fly and adapt to what's happening. I'll take a good QB if the value is there (not ADP value - value according to the particular league I'm drafting in).
), Cutler (was drafted as the last #1 QB by a guy who really waited way too long.)
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That is fine, but it is still not something I would do 99% of the time. I would rather focus on making my team as good as possible, rather than possibly hurting another team and mine at the same time. Sure, you might prevent a single team out there from being better, by having that QB sit on your bench, but you also prevented yourself from getting a possible starter and/or mid-round pick who could be integral to a championship-winning team. You might be better than that team you prevented from getting a good QB at good value, but now you are probably not as good as the teams that didn't "waste" a 7th or 8th round pick on a backup. Plus, I almost never get a player with the intention of trading him.Adam Harstad said:
Okay, but taking your 2nd QB in the 10th round is VERY different than taking him in the 7th round, wouldn't you agree? I would do the same that guy did to you, in the 10th round, but not in the 7th. That is why I specifically said the 7th round in my OP.buck naked said:
Agreed. And most definitely works in a 1QB:2RB setup (especially if there is a RB flex). Why anyone continues to be married to this dinosaur model is beyond me. It's for old, stubborn people or the young and naive. This thread is a perfect example of what's wrong with the hobby. Just play in a fantasy RB league. Don't act like you play fantasy football if you're strategizing how you can win your league with the worst player at the most important position in the game.
I think you are mistaking something here, Flacco has never had high upside. If this has ever been your strategy I could see why you have changed your tune.
Went with Wilson, very happy about it.
There are some that say that when the Ravens changed offensive coordinators that Flacco's play was changed for the better. Perhaps he has not hit his ceiling yet but look at his play last year in the playoffs under Caldwell.
Bradford had the #25 ADP last year (my list cut off just before him), and he ended up as the #16 fantasy QB. So while he certainly outperformed his ADP, he probably didn't win very many championships if he was your primary QB.
