Breesisdaman
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If you consider the depth at QB would you wait until you had Joe Flacco or Sam Bradford if it meant loading up on talent elsewhere on your team. Have you used this strategy to good success?
I too used this strategy and wound up with Romo. One thing to consider is the awareness of your opponents as to who and what positions other teams are drafting. The league I drafted Romo in is about 50% FF vets/50% guys who have played a few years but just do it for fun. Overall, I feel waiting and loading up at RB is the best option and I would not draft a QB before the 5th round due to the drop off of talent at RB. You may want to consider going RB,RB,WR,WR and then assess where everyone stands position wise.I used this strategy a few days ago and i ended up with Romo. I was the last to take a QB and I'm very happy with the result.
I take a backup QB early all the time, often with great success. If nothing else, you screw over everyone who thought they were so smart because they were waiting, and you can usually trade your backup for something of value midway through the season when they're sick of trotting out Andrew Dalton every week. In several of the staff mocks I was taking Rodgers/Brees in the 3rd and Griffin in the 8th because they simply possessed far too much value. If the season plays out according to my expectations, the move is a major net positive for me. People underestimate just how much VBD a top-3 QB winds up producing, and I'll gladly roster two of them, even if for no other reason than to take one of them out of the pool for my competitors to use against me.I used to almost always do this when I did redrafts, but it would sometimes backfire when you would get some idiot who would take his 2nd QB in the 7th round (which is the mark of someone who really doesn't know that they are doing). But I almost always waited till almost everyone had a QB before I would take mine.
It has been some years since I have seen anyone talking about this. But it might be interesting to revisit the idea of blocking.I take a backup QB early all the time, often with great success. If nothing else, you screw over everyone who thought they were so smart because they were waiting, and you can usually trade your backup for something of value midway through the season when they're sick of trotting out Andrew Dalton every week. In several of the staff mocks I was taking Rodgers/Brees in the 3rd and Griffin in the 8th because they simply possessed far too much value. If the season plays out according to my expectations, the move is a major net positive for me. People underestimate just how much VBD a top-3 QB winds up producing, and I'll gladly roster two of them, even if for no other reason than to take one of them out of the pool for my competitors to use against meI used to almost always do this when I did redrafts, but it would sometimes backfire when you would get some idiot who would take his 2nd QB in the 7th round (which is the mark of someone who really doesn't know that they are doing). But I almost always waited till almost everyone had a QB before I would take mine.
I did this - took Romo round 8 then swung around a few rounds later and took Dalton before everyone else started their QB2 run.I do this in most leagues and have for a long time now - I'm a huge proponent of QBBCs; however in a few leagues this year Brady or Stafford slipped much later than they should have and I could no longer pass on them.
This year I've been targetting RG3, Eli or Romo as my QB1 and I won't take one until round 10. I've been targetting Dalton as my QB2, with my next two targets being Roethlisberger then Rivers.
Been avoiding Vick, Palmer, Schaub and Flacco.
Maybe they know EXACTLY what they are doing. If the drafter sees you are building a strong team, why should you still get a good QB?I used to almost always do this when I did redrafts, but it would sometimes backfire when you would get some idiot who would take his 2nd QB in the 7th round (which is the mark of someone who really doesn't know that they are doing). But I almost always waited till almost everyone had a QB before I would take mine.
This might work in a year where there are only 8-10 viable QBs(although I still don't think it necessarily screws anyone to hand them talent at another position). It isn't 1995 though. Teams throw. A lot. There's probably 14 guys you can roll out at QB and not be at a catastrophic disadvantage vs. teams who took even top 5 players at the position. When guys like Tony Romo/Vick/Luck are going 12th off the board in 12 teamers....that tells me taking a 2nd QB early to try and screw someone is very likely going to achieve your goal, but it probably isn't going to screw the someone you were intending it to.If nothing else, you screw over everyone who thought they were so smart because they were waiting,
I've seen just as many scenarios where owners tried to get cute and #### block teams at a position where it totally blew up in their face.Maybe they know EXACTLY what they are doing. If the drafter sees you are building a strong team, why should you still get a good QB? This happened to me in Las Vegas FFPC main event last year. RG3 was making his way down to me in the 10th round and I needed a QB. The team at 4 already had Newton, and he saw I needed a QB. He took him on purpose because I was building a powerhouse.
RG3 would have put me over the top and I would have won that league. Instead, I got stuck with Jay Cutler and other scraps and it killed me.
I've tried this before with QB in a 6 point TD league and it doesn't work. If you think you can trade your extra QB later, good luck with that, but trades are so hard to make work for both teams, and you're really only targeting one. The extra QB burns another spot on your team and there's enough QB's out there to find one that with throw for 2 TD's and get decent yards. This does work for TE's, because the drop-off is much steeper, but at least you can start your #2 TE as a flex.It has been some years since I have seen anyone talking about this. But it might be interesting to revisit the idea of blocking.
What I mean by blocking is taking a player not because you need the player, but because the points that player will give your opponent is more negative value to you than drafting another player who would be a positive for you.
I agree, it just doesn't work to block in 12 team leagues. If you have a 14 team league or more, then it can. With 32 starting QBs every week there just isn't enough demand.I've tried this before with QB in a 6 point TD league and it doesn't work. If you think you can trade your extra QB later, good luck with that, but trades are so hard to make work for both teams, and you're really only targeting one. The extra QB burns another spot on your team and there's enough QB's out there to find one that with throw for 2 TD's and get decent yards. This does work for TE's, because the drop-off is much steeper, but at least you can start your #2 TE as a flex. To the OP, I think waiting for the last QB isn't wise in a 12 team 6/pt TD league. You can wait, but chances are Romo won't be there and you'll be loading up on scraps where you could have taken some high potential players and adding depth.It has been some years since I have seen anyone talking about this. But it might be interesting to revisit the idea of blocking.
What I mean by blocking is taking a player not because you need the player, but because the points that player will give your opponent is more negative value to you than drafting another player who would be a positive for you.
In the one auction I was in this year (12 teams 6pt/TD 19 man roster) I do what I normally do and wait in order to load up in the middle... backfired. I should have pulled earlier on some bigger WR names. I already had Luck, but had enough money to also get Flacco, Vick and Eli. If Vick turns up the magic I can probably trade him, but the WR depth on the Eagles is questionable and he'll probably be average. Eli is one I've had in the past, and he tends to fluctuate from awesome to horrible. One week it's 4 TD's on your bench, and the next it's one TD in your line-up. In picking a group of QB's to pick from each week, you have to pick the right one. The right one is the one that scored the most points, which probably won't be the right one the next week. Best to go with a good consistent QB and remove the headache.
I take a backup QB early all the time, often with great success. If nothing else, you screw over everyone who thought they were so smart because they were waiting, and you can usually trade your backup for something of value midway through the season when they're sick of trotting out Andrew Dalton every week. In several of the staff mocks I was taking Rodgers/Brees in the 3rd and Griffin in the 8th because they simply possessed far too much value. If the season plays out according to my expectations, the move is a major net positive for me. People underestimate just how much VBD a top-3 QB winds up producing, and I'll gladly roster two of them, even if for no other reason than to take one of them out of the pool for my competitors to use against me.I used to almost always do this when I did redrafts, but it would sometimes backfire when you would get some idiot who would take his 2nd QB in the 7th round (which is the mark of someone who really doesn't know that they are doing). But I almost always waited till almost everyone had a QB before I would take mine.
I don't see blocking as a particularly worthwhile strategy this year, however.It has been some years since I have seen anyone talking about this. But it might be interesting to revisit the idea of blocking.I take a backup QB early all the time, often with great success. If nothing else, you screw over everyone who thought they were so smart because they were waiting, and you can usually trade your backup for something of value midway through the season when they're sick of trotting out Andrew Dalton every week. In several of the staff mocks I was taking Rodgers/Brees in the 3rd and Griffin in the 8th because they simply possessed far too much value. If the season plays out according to my expectations, the move is a major net positive for me. People underestimate just how much VBD a top-3 QB winds up producing, and I'll gladly roster two of them, even if for no other reason than to take one of them out of the pool for my competitors to use against meI used to almost always do this when I did redrafts, but it would sometimes backfire when you would get some idiot who would take his 2nd QB in the 7th round (which is the mark of someone who really doesn't know that they are doing). But I almost always waited till almost everyone had a QB before I would take mine.
What I mean by blocking is taking a player not because you need the player, but because the points that player will give your opponent is more negative value to you than drafting another player who would be a positive for you.
Especially at the QB position where things are somewhat more linear. Based on your projections you may see that there is one QB left available who will give a 4pt/game advantage over the rest of the QB available. You may be looking at a RB or WR that you need compared to this QB that you don't due to having already drafted a QB before. So in that sense you are not gaining any value for the QB pick to your total potential points scored, as you will likely be starting the QB you drafted before. However if all the other players remaining to you are only offering a 2pt/game advantage. You have to ask yourself if you might not be better off giving your opponents -4pts/game or if you should take the 2pt/game for your team. Which if you have not yet filled all of your positions/flex options is very relevant.
What I recall from the last time this was discussed at length most found that blocking was not a worthwhile strategy. Mainly because it is only giving you an advantage against one team, while picking a position of need gives you that advantage against the field. I am not sure I entirely agree with this counter argument. I think the idea is interesting and worth re-visiting.
Of course when Dalton scores as much as most of those top 12 QB you will be saying why didn't I wait longer. But that is another story.
Did three real drafts and probably about 200 mocks this preseason.With everyone now adopting this a new shark move has evolved. Snag a top 3-5 guy in the 5th or 6th round.
Well, there ya go. Apparently it does happen.I normally wait it out also. The one year it paid off was when cutler and marshall put up big numbers in denver (had them both). This year Cam slipped to me in the 8th round...thought this was pretty good value
I got Peyton Manning in the 5th of the fpc, Cam went in the 6th. I question your "real" drafts if you are not in the fpc, ffpc, or nffc. local leagues versus playing with the big boys are very different.Fpc adp data http://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/article.php?article=13ffpcadpDid three real drafts and probably about 200 mocks this preseason.Haven't seen a top 5 QB by ADP fall that far yet, so I question its sharkiness, but if you've got an inside line against your particular guys, by all means go for it.With everyone now adopting this a new shark move has evolved. Snag a top 3-5 guy in the 5th or 6th round.
I question the real drafts of anyone fool enough to play where the top is skimmed. Full of suckers who have no business pontificating on the concept of value, IM quite accurate O.I got Peyton Manning in the 5th of the fpc, Cam went in the 6th. I question your "real" drafts if you are not in the fpc, ffpc, or nffc. local leagues versus playing with the big boys are very different.Fpc adp data http://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/article.php?article=13ffpcadpDid three real drafts and probably about 200 mocks this preseason.Haven't seen a top 5 QB by ADP fall that far yet, so I question its sharkiness, but if you've got an inside line against your particular guys, by all means go for it.With everyone now adopting this a new shark move has evolved. Snag a top 3-5 guy in the 5th or 6th round.
I totally agree with this. I guess my league opponent who had already drafted Brees saw that I was stacked and his selection of Vick one turn before mine was preemptive .I too used this strategy and wound up with Romo. One thing to consider is the awareness of your opponents as to who and what positions other teams are drafting. The league I drafted Romo in is about 50% FF vets/50% guys who have played a few years but just do it for fun. Overall, I feel waiting and loading up at RB is the best option and I would not draft a QB before the 5th round due to the drop off of talent at RB. You may want to consider going RB,RB,WR,WR and then assess where everyone stands position wise.I used this strategy a few days ago and i ended up with Romo. I was the last to take a QB and I'm very happy with the result.
If I have to swing for the fences with that group I'd think Cutler and Bradford with the new offensive philosophies there.I drafted an FFPC best ball league Friday night and waited until the 14th rd. I ended up with Bradford, Cutler, and Locker. I'm good with that.
In standard redrafts I'd be happy waiting until the 10th or later. Even if 12 teams take their first and 4 teams take their 2nd, I'm still likely to end up with something like:
Brees. Manning, Rodgers, Newton, Ryan, Brady, Kaepernick, Stafford, Griffin, Luck, Romo, Wilson, Vick, Dalton, and Eli gone
This leaves me to grab 2 of Bradford, Cutler, Tannehill, Alex Smith types. I'm good with that.