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QB Tom Brady, Retired (2 Viewers)
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Scooby1974
Footballguy
I could tell by that drunk pass of the Super Bowl trophy to Gronk that something was off. 
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
He will break the passing touchdown record this year. It is going to be a show.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Yenrub
Footballguy
Since I drafted him in a couple of leagues I hope you are right, but what makes you think that he will?
zamboni
Footballguy
I would bet against Brady even getting 40 TDs again. That was his second highest TD total in his lofty career and to expect it again at age 44 is a lot IMO. While Arians is pass happy, there are several factors that need to occur: him and his receivers staying healthy, the defense not improving to allow positive passing scripts, and the offensive line being robust enough to give him requisite time (can’t count on mobility).
On that last point about mobility, what concerns me from a fantasy standpoint is that even with all those TDs/yards last year, he still finished only ranked #8 among QBs. Need those rushing yards, which he doesn’t provide.
On that last point about mobility, what concerns me from a fantasy standpoint is that even with all those TDs/yards last year, he still finished only ranked #8 among QBs. Need those rushing yards, which he doesn’t provide.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
The defense is really good and could be an issue but their OL is really solid and I would expect Wirfs to be even better in year 2. I have no worries about their pass catches, that is about as deep as it gets at the NFL level. Evans, Godwin, AB, Scotty Miller, Tyler Johnson, rookie Jaleon Darden, Gio Bernard, Grink, OJ Howard and Cameron Brate. They can actually have absorb some injuries and still field a lot of strong pass catchers.
Even in a COVID year with no pre-season, and with Evans and Godwin having injuries early in the year, Brady threw for 40 TDs. This group of receivers is historic - the best group ever assembled. What a change from his NE days. And he can change the plays at the LOS. A limitation could be that they clinch the division early.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I look at what he was able to do last year with a new team and playbook in a shortened offseason. They are about as deep with playmakers as I can ever remember any team ever being. I think part of him wants to continue to show the world it was him, not Belichick who led NE. No better way to do that than win another Super Bowl and break some individual records along the way. Evans, Godwin, AB, Miller, Johnson, Darden, Gronk, Howard, Brate, Jones, Lenny, Gio…are you kidding me?
zamboni
Footballguy
Excellent chance Brady breaks it. The last 2 times the record has been broken was Brady with Moss and I think they had one of the easiest schedules. Manning with possibly the easiest schedule in that year.
Brady has the 2nd easiest schedule. Guaranteed that is one of his regular season goals.
He's also the least likely to be affected by injury, and has no flags on the oline, WR, TE RB position, or coaches. The oline, WR, and receiving ability at RB should be slightly improved over 2020.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Yep. Make no mistake about it, even though he has the Super Bowl wins, Brady wants all of the numbers as well, so he will do whatever he can to get there while he still can. 40 TD passes this year with those receivers should be cinch. Heck, Winston threw 30 two years ago and that didn't team didn't even have A. Brown, Gronk (who is older, but still great in spots) or Fournette.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I've been hearing the Brady / Bucs talk more and more the last week. Records will fall, statues will be built, 7,000 yards and a eleventy-six TDs.
it’s all possible.
But Brady is 44. AB is 33. Gronk is 32.
I’m not gonna be all ageist up in here, but bouncing back after big hits is a young man’s sport.
I’m not predicting injury for anyone, but the Bucs have some olds in important Spots.
I’m just sayin. It’s a long season. This one longer than before. They’ll be fun to watch. If they can keep it rolling, maybe records will fall.
Me & Denny Green ain’t ready to crown ‘em yet.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aYKIcnj1MJY
it’s all possible.
But Brady is 44. AB is 33. Gronk is 32.
I’m not gonna be all ageist up in here, but bouncing back after big hits is a young man’s sport.
I’m not predicting injury for anyone, but the Bucs have some olds in important Spots.
I’m just sayin. It’s a long season. This one longer than before. They’ll be fun to watch. If they can keep it rolling, maybe records will fall.
Me & Denny Green ain’t ready to crown ‘em yet.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aYKIcnj1MJY
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
That, and there’s an awful lot that has to go right to get through the season regardless.
Bucs are a great team. Sometimes that’s not enough.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Not saying you’re wrong about the age of Brady, AB, and GRONK, but… Evans, Godwin, Miller, Johnson, Darden, OJ Howard, Brate. This team has to have the best set of offensive weapons ever assembled.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
He threw for 4,600 and 40 last year. They didn’t even start playing all that well until week 13.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I don’t disagree.
A lot still has to go right. It’s a hard sport. That’s why they don’t hand out trophies in August.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Grahamburn
Footballguy
They lit up Atlanta twice last year so that scheme doesn’t seem to pose a problem.
dkp993
Footballguy
Grabbing him every in every league I can for 2 reasons. 1- I’m convinced this is his Manning 2013 season and 2 Matt Waldman is all in on him and that’s good enough for me.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
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Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Capella
Footballguy
I mean, this is true for literally everybody though.
However, if you’re projecting out for a season, there’s not a lot to dislike about this Bucs offense.
Capella
Footballguy
He’s playing longer than that. Alluded to it with the main Bucs beat guy the other day. I’m guessing 47.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Only things I see are age, and a long season ahead.
They had a relatively weak division last year that could be a little better, if only for the Saints. Carolina could be better, ATL is still pretty weak defensively.
They’re for sure an elite team. It’ll be interesting to see if they live up to it. Last year this time much of the football world was saying Brady might be washed.
Manster
Footballguy
I was saying he was washed but I also understood how much more talented his new supporting cast is. IF he can stay healthy, he doesn't have to have elite physical capability. His competitiveness, and ability to take advantage of what's there, are what make him the GOAT.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Sure, that’s true.
And one big “woo!” hit (as Ronnie Lott called em) could make this a 4-13 team. (4-14? Agh, new schedule vexes me so)
Obviously that’s true for most teams, but age could be a big factor if Brady were to get banged up. The Bucs aren’t deep at QB.
Who’s the backup? Gabbert?
“After TB starter, HOF QB Tom Brady sustained a season ending injury in week 4, Blaine Gabbert valiantly led this scrappy Bucs team to a Super Bowl victory” reads no headline, ever.
Not predicting this, just sayin. Dude’s 44. Bledsoe was 35 when Brady Wally Pipp’d him. Brady is the 2021 Bucs “single point of failure” as the engineering saying goes
Potential for injury aside, this Bucs team is stacked & is definitely the favorite in the NFC, so long as everyone stays vertical.
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The only difference between those other years and this year is that I drafted him in two leagues. The cliff has arrived for sure.....
Grahamburn
Footballguy
@Hot Sauce Guy
Tom Brady hasn't missed a game due to injury since 2008, and he had 6 straight years prior to that ACL injury with 16 game seasons.. I'm not sure counting on him getting "banged up" is the way to go with your argument. If you think he's going to be *too old to effectively throw the ball that's one thing, but he rarely runs and he gets rid of the ball too quickly to take big hits. The Bucs were 3rd in the NFL last year in sacks allowed.
*People have been counting on this for a long time now, and he continues to defy logic. His arm still looked plenty zippy in that last preseason game.
Tom Brady hasn't missed a game due to injury since 2008, and he had 6 straight years prior to that ACL injury with 16 game seasons.. I'm not sure counting on him getting "banged up" is the way to go with your argument. If you think he's going to be *too old to effectively throw the ball that's one thing, but he rarely runs and he gets rid of the ball too quickly to take big hits. The Bucs were 3rd in the NFL last year in sacks allowed.
*People have been counting on this for a long time now, and he continues to defy logic. His arm still looked plenty zippy in that last preseason game.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
You seem to have misread my post, because at no time did I say I was “counting on him getting banged up”
I said I saw it as a single point of failure.
I also pointed out that when Brady took over as the Pats QB, Bledsoe was 9 years younger than Brady is today.
My main point about age is that players (and humans in general) don’t recover as quickly when they’re 44 than when they’re in their 20s or 30s.
Just pointing out what I see as the only significant risk to the Bucs chances this year. That, and they still have to have the same number of lucky bounces as any playoff team.
I’ve even gone so far as to specifically state that I’m not predicting injury, a couple of times, so I’m not sure how thats interpreted as “counting on him getting banged up.”
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Fair enough. Brady's chances of injury aren't any more glaring that any other QB in the league. They're likely less because of his ability to diagnose blitzes, and he does not run. IF he were to get injured, no, they're not in a great spot at QB. Which team is? Every contending team in the NFL is in a tough spot if their starting QB goes down.
Thanks. I think that's an interesting way to frame it:
How likely is Tom Brady to miss time due to injury compared to other QBs?
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I would suggest he is at greater risk due to age. Now of course that depends on which other QBs we're comparing him to. Big Ben or Fitzmagic? Probably about equal risk.
Josh Allen? Probably greater risk.
I'm not talking about some devastating injury like Burrow's knee last year. That can happen to anyone on any play (knock on wood). I'm talking more about something like Kyler Murray's shoulder or nagging injuries like a sprain or bone bruise.
Maybe it's not necessarily missed time either, and more diminished performance as a result. Like, Brady could play through a sprained ankle - he's hardly a mobile QB. But would it effect his ability to step into his passes? Would it linger longer in a 44 y/o than it might in a 24 y/o?
Again, not predicting anything. Just being mindful of his age in considering the Bucs as a slam dunk Super Bowl team. A lot has to go right getting from here to there, and age is certainly a consideration.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
One could argue that the Broncos wouldn't miss a beat going from TeddyB to Lock. Niners might see an upgrade from JimmyG to Lance.
But overall I agree, and made the same point in my post - every team is susceptible to injury. My question is whether an older QB is more or less likely to bounce back from injury as quickly.
Bucs are definitely the favorites in the NFC.
