QB Tom Brady, Retired (2 Viewers)

[Scooby1974]

I think this kid might make it in the league.

 

[Grahamburn]

Tom Brady has 60 TDs and 0 INTs in the red zone with the Bucs.

 

[Faust]

Tom Brady completed 34-of-50 passes for 410 yards, three touchdowns, and an interception in Tampa's 28-24 Week 17 win over the Jets.

Brady had to deal with some clear miscommunications from Antonio Brown, and was picked during the two-minute drill of the first half as Mike Evans just kept going on a ball that Brady appeared to be leaving short on purpose. Still, not much of the embarrassing showing against the Jets defense was really on Brady -- Tampa's offensive line committed back-to-back personal foul penalties that killed drives in the third quarter. Brady and Gronkowski were in vintage Patriots form, and Brady found Cyril Grayson when the safety was a step slow to complete another comeback and another great QB1 week. If Brady isn't rested in Week 18, he'll be a clear QB1 against the Panthers.

Jan 2, 2022, 4:15 PM ET

 

[Faust]

This team is going to be fun to watch in the playoffs with a healthy Gronk and a returning AB. 

Yeah, about that AB returning to the lineup thing...

 

[Faust]

Tampa Bay Buccaneers coach Bruce Arians says it would be a 'travesty' if QB Tom Brady doesn't win MVP

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Rodgers deserves the MVP, but it's hard to overstate Brady's accomplishments at his age. 

I think the NFL will retire his number across the league when he's done. He'll be the last "12."

I also think they give him his gold jacket the next ceremony after he retires. I wouldn't complain if they gave it to him while he's still playing. There's truly no point in waiting. 

 

[rockaction]

I think the NFL will retire his number across the league when he's done. He'll be the last "12."

I get what you're saying, but he's not Jackie Robinson in baseball. He didn't change the game by integrating it. There's not much in the way of things of that importance with Brady. If he had transcended the sport, then maybe. But there were no structural changes made in personnel that completely changed the game like with Jackie and Jackie's class. 

The closest analogy is Gretzky. He'll be TB12 in the hearts and minds like Gretzky has 99 forever in the hearts and minds of hockey fans and sports fans in general. But Gretzky had a unique number and unique impact on the NHL for them to even consider that. And the NFL is not the NHL. 

That said, I see what you're putting down. 

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

I get what you're saying, but he's not Jackie Robinson in baseball. He didn't change the game by integrating it. There's not much in the way of things of that importance with Brady. If he had transcended the sport, then maybe. But there were no structural changes made in personnel that completely changed the game like with Jackie and Jackie's class. 

The closest analogy is Gretzky. He'll be TB12 in the hearts and minds like Gretzky has 99 forever in the hearts and minds of hockey fans and sports fans in general. But Gretzky had a unique number and unique impact on the NHL for them to even consider that. And the NFL is not the NHL. 

That said, I see what you're putting down. 

Well, Jackie Robinson is a whole different thing. That goes well beyond sport. That was a seismic societal shift. And Gretzky was the Pele of hockey, bringing the sport to the world in a way nobody else could. I'm not saying Brady has done any of that.

I just mean he holds every significant record he could own, he's won seven out of 10 Super Bowls (so far) and his career exclusively in his 40s is arguably a Hall of Fame career on its own. He's openly called the GOAT by opponents while he's still playing.  

Then again, you might be right. Too many other great QBs wore/wear #12 so you can't just tie it to one great player. I'm just trying to think of a way to recognize the clear dominance of one player in a sport that's been around for more than 100 years. Maybe there isn't one. 

It would be funny if Mahomes ends up equaling his accomplishments. He already has two SB appearances and one title at age 26. If he gets another this year, he'd have perhaps 15 years to get five more. Not impossible.

 

 

[rockaction]

Well, Jackie Robinson is a whole different thing. That goes well beyond sport. That was a seismic societal shift. And Gretzky was the Pele of hockey, bringing the sport to the world in a way nobody else could. I'm not saying Brady has done any of that.

I just mean he holds every significant record he could own, he's won seven out of 10 Super Bowls (so far) and his career exclusively in his 40s is arguably a Hall of Fame career on its own. He's openly called the GOAT by opponents while he's still playing.  

Then again, you might be right. Too many other great QBs wore/wear #12 so you can't just tie it to one great player. I'm just trying to think of a way to recognize the clear dominance of one player in a sport that's been around for more than 100 years. Maybe there isn't one. 

It would be funny if Mahomes ends up equaling his accomplishments. He already has two SB appearances and one title at age 26. If he gets another this year, he'd have perhaps 15 years to get five more. Not impossible.
 

Yeah, it's just late night and I felt like spitballing. I really don't know how I feel about it too much. I really commented on Jackie and had forgotten about Gretzky until I thought about it. Brady never brought people to football like Gretzky to hockey, but that's an intangible really, certainly nothing like the seismic social shift of Jackie, as you put it so artfully. 

So what to do? I don't know, really. It's an interesting subject to broach though. 

Final thought: I don't think Mahomes gets there. It would take an unusual set of circumstances like Brady/Belichick/Patriot way to ever get there. I think we saw the first and last of something like that in the free agent era. Especially now that the NFL might be going the way of the NFL where quarterbacks start calling personnel shots. But I digress on that. Just seems like keeping teams together will be even tougher in the the upcoming years with quarterbacks as insanely compensated as they are. 

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Yeah, it's just late night and I felt like spitballing. I really don't know how I feel about it too much. I really commented on Jackie and had forgotten about Gretzky until I thought about it. Brady never brought people to football like Gretzky to hockey, but that's an intangible really, certainly nothing like the seismic social shift of Jackie, as you put it so artfully. 

So what to do? I don't know, really. It's an interesting subject to broach though. 

Final thought: I don't think Mahomes gets there. It would take an unusual set of circumstances like Brady/Belichick/Patriot way to ever get there. I think we saw the first and last of something like that in the free agent era. Especially now that the NFL might be going the way of the NFL where quarterbacks start calling personnel shots. But I digress on that. Just seems like keeping teams together will be even tougher in the the upcoming years with quarterbacks as insanely compensated as they are. 

I agree. Just wasting a little time until the games start this weekend. With Mahomes, he might not get there with KC. But if you're right about players calling personnel shots, he could force his way out when the team goes south. He won't really need money so he'll look for the ideal situation. Kind of like Tampa and Brady. 

If Rodgers had gone to Tampa instead of Brady, fair chance they still have earned that ring. They had a lot of receiver talent not being utilized well enough by Winston. 

 

[rockaction]

They had a lot of receiver talent not being utilized well enough by Winston. 

Soon as they signed Brady, the sharps in Vegas had them close to favorites for the Super Bowl, that's how much talent at WR they had. And they're still not all on the same page with Brady yet, though Godwin and Evans were getting there. But we'll never know now for sure exactly how on the same page they were with Brady. All we know is the Godwin was killing PPR for a while, getting peppered with targets he hadn't seen the previous year. 

We'll see what Brady can do with Perriman, Johnson, and Miller as his WRs 2-4. Should be interesting. I foresee tons of Gronk. They would have been far and away the favorites (even on the road) in my book in the NFC this year. Now, we're going to have to wait and see how well they'll do. The Godwin/Brown thing hurts tremendously. Those are two Pro Bowl/nearly All-Pro guys. 

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Soon as they signed Brady, the sharps in Vegas had them close to favorites for the Super Bowl, that's how much talent at WR they had. And they're still not all on the same page with Brady yet, though Godwin and Evans were getting there. But we'll never know now for sure exactly how on the same page they were with Brady. All we know is the Godwin was killing PPR for a while, getting peppered with targets he hadn't seen the previous year. 

We'll see what Brady can do with Perriman, Johnson, and Miller as his WRs 2-4. Should be interesting. I foresee tons of Gronk. They would have been far and away the favorites (even on the road) in my book in the NFC this year. Now, we're going to have to wait and see how well they'll do. The Godwin/Brown thing hurts tremendously. Those are two Pro Bowl/nearly All-Pro guys. 

I agree. Brady isn't a "put any receivers on the field and I can win with them" guy anymore. He can put the ball where it needs to be, but the guys have to win their battles and be prepared to catch it. Sounds obvious, but he used to make everything so catchable. Now he goes low and away more to avoid a sack or turnover, so the receiver needs to be able to do more in his space. I think losing Godwin and Brown will have an impact, especially if the running game can't compensate. 

 

[Anarchy99]

I heard a lot of chatter on the radio today and saw an article by Seth Wickersham speculating that the playoffs could be Brady's last rodeo and he might retire whenever the Bucs season is done this year. Maybe it's just noise and click bait, but I hadn't seen or heard anything before today and then suddenly it popped up out of nowhere. I wonder how much truth there is to it.

 

[bostonfred]

I heard a lot of chatter on the radio today and saw an article by Seth Wickersham speculating that the playoffs could be Brady's last rodeo and he might retire whenever the Bucs season is done this year. Maybe it's just noise and click bait, but I hadn't seen or heard anything before today and then suddenly it popped up out of nowhere. I wonder how much truth there is to it.

This is the year i expected to be his last one brees retired.  He'll go out on top of every career record and with more superbowl rings on his own than any player or even franchise, even including the Patriots.  There's a case to be made that if he wins this year he'll have a chance at the first three peat in NFL history and that might be enough to lure him back, while leaving after losing as the second seed in the playoffs the year after a title wouldn't be a bad way to go out.  

 

[Faust]

Buccaneers QB Tom Brady undecided on returning for 2022 season

 

[Faust]

Official explains unsportsmanlike conduct penalty on Tom Brady: 'He got in my face ... and used abusive language'

 

[Faust]

Buccaneers QB Tom Brady undecided on returning for 2022 season

 

[Faust]

TOM BRADY QB, TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS

Bucs head coach Bruce Arians said the team would review quarterback contingency plans while Tom Brady decides on his future with the team. 

Arians said Monday morning that Brady, 44, could take all the time he needs to make a decision about playing in 2022. It's hard to see Brady stepping away from the game after leading the NFL in yardage, passing touchdowns, and completions while posting the fourth lowest interception total (12) of his career. ESPN's Jenna Laine reports Arians said he "feels comfortable with the other guys he has in the QB room," adding that "you never know what’s behind door No. 2." There's exceedingly little chance the Bucs will head into 2022 with Blaine Gabbert and Kyle Trask as their only quarterback option if Brady retires. 

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SOURCE: Jenna Laine on Twitter

Jan 24, 2022, 11:01 AM ET

 

[Faust]

Speaking on his "Let's Go" podcast Monday, Tom Brady said his role as a husband and father is playing a big part in his decision on whether to continue his playing career.

Referencing his wife, Brady said, "It pains her to see me get hit out there. And she deserves what she needs from me as a husband, and my kids deserve what they need from me as a dad. ... I said this a few years ago, it's what relationships are all about. It's not always what I want. It's what we want as a family. And I'm gonna spend a lot of time with them and figure out in the future what's next.” It sure sounds like Brady is taking this retirement talk pretty seriously. “The team doesn’t deserve anything less than my best," Brady continued. "And if I feel like I'm not committed to that, or I can't play at a championship level, then you gotta give someone else a chance to play. And, you know, we'll see. Playing football I get so much joy from. I love it. But not playing football, there's a lot of joy in that for me also now, too, with my kids getting older and seeing them develop and grow. So all these things need to be considered, and they will be.” We wouldn't expect a decision any time soon.

SOURCE: Rick Stroud on Twitter

Jan 24, 2022, 7:20 PM ET

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Sounds pretty legit. Imma say 60% chance he retires. Happy wife, happy life. 

 

[Faust]

An NFL without Bucs QB Tom Brady seems unfathomable, but could come sooner than later

 

[JohnnyU]

An NFL without Bucs QB Tom Brady seems unfathomable, but could come sooner than later

He has the rings, admiration, attention, beautiful wife, and riches beyond belief.  So someday he's going to have to pay up to the devil for when he sold his soul at the crossroads.

 

[Mingooch]

Hoping for one more year, he is good for football

 

[ffmail4me]

Hoping for one more year, he is good for football

You'd think he would enjoy having that "last year" for the public to swoon over him and his career. He's earned it for sure. 

 

[Andrew74]

An NFL without Bucs QB Tom Brady seems unfathomable, but could come sooner than later

Not for me.  Retire already!

 

[travdogg]

Sounds pretty legit. Imma say 60% chance he retires. Happy wife, happy life. 

I'd go about 25% chance he retires. I have to imagine for a guy with Brady's competitiveness, the way the Bucs lost is going to eat at him. If they'd gotten crushed or something, maybe that would be different, but Brady had them tied with 40 seconds left. Just a fluky play to Kupp, where the defense had a communication breakdown. 

I would bet Brady(and Gronk) give it one more go. 

 

[Faust]

Tom Brady Rumors: Bucs QB 'Preparing to Retire'; Announcement Expected 'Shortly'

 

[menobrown]

Wow, he actually retired.

 

[Faust]

Tom Brady retiring after 22 seasons, seven Super Bowl wins with New England Patriots, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, sources say

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Tom Brady's 22-year career: 
* 7X Super Bowl champion 
* 5X Super Bowl MVP
* 3X NFL MVP
* 15X Pro Bowl
* 6X All Pro
* NFL's all time passing TD leader (624)
* NFL's all passing yard leader (85,520)
* Most career wins: 243

 

[Faust]

ESPN's Adam Schefter reports that Tom Brady is retiring from the NFL after 22 seasons.

The greatest football player of all time and one of the most incomparable American athletes of any era, Brady had never so much as hinted at retirement before the past few weeks. It certainly isn't because of his play, which remained at an MVP level for 2021. Brady's family and the lack of anything left to prove seemed to be the deciding factors. From a sixth-round pick in the 2000 NFL Draft – 199th overall – to seven Super Bowl titles, three MVPs, five Super Bowl MVPs, and countless other accolades, Brady's career is the epitome of a David turned Goliath, and it's unlikely there will be another sports story like his during our lifetimes. In addition to Brady's likely unmatchable postseason feats, he finishes his career No. 1 all time in both passing yards (84,520) and touchdowns (624). We will hear plenty from Brady between now and then, but his next NFL step will be Canton, Ohio. 

SOURCE: Adam Schefter on Twitter

Jan 29, 2022, 2:34 PM ET

 

[Ostro]

Yes!!! 

F U!   - All Bills fans

 

[HellToupee]

Going to be a hell of a HOF class at QB in 5 years

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Forget all those silly stats like more SB rings than any franchise. I'm just impressed how well he did in his final year of fantasy. No limping to the finish line for Mr. Brady.

 

[ghostguy123]

I think it's silly to have to wait 5 years before you can be inducted into the hall of fame.  We knew like 10 years ago he was a hall of famer.  Just put guys in the hall of fame while still playing, why not?  Shoot, what if he played till 85 years old, he may not live long enough to be inducted........

 

[Pip's Invitation]

I think it's silly to have to wait 5 years before you can be inducted into the hall of fame.  We knew like 10 years ago he was a hall of famer.  Just put guys in the hall of fame while still playing, why not?  Shoot, what if he played till 85 years old, he may not live long enough to be inducted........

The NHL made exceptions to their 5-year rule for Wayne Gretzky and Mario Lemieux. I think it would be warranted here.

 

[Ack88]

Tom Brady's 22-year career: 
* 7X Super Bowl champion 
* 5X Super Bowl MVP
* 3X NFL MVP
* 15X Pro Bowl
* 6X All Pro
* NFL's all time passing TD leader (624)
* NFL's all passing yard leader (85,520)
* Most career wins: 243

What he has done is unfathomable. I know the eras are different, but he has more passing yards combined than Unitas and Montana, put together. If you look at the pure data, aside from 7 rings, which in and of itself is amazing, it is hard to argue that there is a better athlete in the history of sports.

 

[Tau837]

The NHL made exceptions to their 5-year rule for Wayne Gretzky and Mario Lemieux. I think it would be warranted here.

But why does it matter? They didn't make any exception for Jerry Rice, Joe Montana, Reggie White, Walter Payton, Lawrence Taylor, etc. Yes, Brady accomplished more in his football career than anyone else, but it just isn't necessary. It also means there is ample time to make sure he doesn't change his mind and decide to play again.

IMO the only reason to make an exception would be if he was diagnosed with an illness that would prevent him from reaching the normal induction time.

 

[sho nuff]

The NHL made exceptions to their 5-year rule for Wayne Gretzky and Mario Lemieux. I think it would be warranted here.

Yeah. Put him in next year or a mid year thing in a class by himself.

 

[travdogg]

Going to be a hell of a HOF class at QB in 5 years

I think Big Ben probably isn't a 1st ballot guy.

ETA: I'm honestly kinda shocked he actually retired. I would have bet against it for sure. He just seemed like a guy who would want to go out on a more positive note, or like Manning or to lesser a extent Brees, when he started to decline. He was still arguably the best guy in the NFL in 2021, and was at worst top-3. 

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

My first thought: missed a season with a blown out knee, so 21 active seasons.  7 rings.  33.3% chance to win a SB any given year active.

You can say it took a ridiculous team effort to come back from 28-3 with minutes left in the 3rd quarter.  I call BS.  Nobody does that.  Ever.  That's epic.

Tom ####### Brady.

 

[SoBeDad]

Forget all those silly stats like more SB rings than any franchise. I'm just impressed how well he did in his final year of fantasy. No limping to the finish line for Mr. Brady.

Great in fantasy and in real football too, a 92 pff grade at age 44. Granted, he had HOF receivers, but even when 2 of them went out with injury, he still produced. His last TD was a bomb to future HOFer Evans over possible future HOFer Ramsay. He dissected defenses pre and post snap better than anyone.

 

[travdogg]

What he has done is unfathomable. I know the eras are different, but he has more passing yards combined than Unitas and Montana, put together. If you look at the pure data, aside from 7 rings, which in and of itself is amazing, it is hard to argue that there is a better athlete in the history of sports.

At the risk of being pedantic, I think its a more of a team effort in football than it is in other sports. While Brady has undoubtably been incredible, I don't think the bolded is true. 

My personal pick for best athlete of all-time is Muhammed Ali. But if you just want to stick to team sports, I'm not sure Brady has a better resume than Gretzky(5 titles, 9 MVP's) or Jordan(6 titles, 5 MVP's) or even Kareem(6 titles, 6 MVP's)

That said, this is a sad day for football fans I think(except Brady haters I guess) as we have a 1st ballot HOF'er, somehow still in his prime at 44, leaving the game. 

 

[Faust]

Tom Brady Sr. told KRON4 news that his son is not retiring, substantiating multiple other reports suggesting Brady's decision is still up in the air.

CBS Sports' Jonathan Jones reports that the Buccaneers have not been informed that Brady is retiring. The Tampa Bay Times' Rick Stroud says that Brady called Bucs GM Jason Licht today to inform him that he has yet to make up his mind on whether he'll play in 2022. When asked whether Brady had told him he's retiring, Bucs coach Bruce Arians said, "He hasn’t. Not even close to making up his mind yet. He told us." This is turning into quite the saga, although numerous reputable sources across the league – most notably ESPN's Adam Schefter – reported that Brady is hanging it up after 22 seasons. It appears NFL fans will just have to wait and see on this one, although it seems more likely than not that Brady's final professional football game is behind him.

SOURCE: Kylen Mills on Twitter

Jan 29, 2022, 4:36 PM ET

 

[Bigboy10182000]

What he has done is unfathomable. I know the eras are different, but he has more passing yards combined than Unitas and Montana, put together. If you look at the pure data, aside from 7 rings, which in and of itself is amazing, it is hard to argue that there is a better athlete in the history of sports.

Agreed and he’s 100% on the Mount Rushmore of athletes along with Jordan, Gretzky and whoever else you’d like to add. We were lucky to have been able to watch him. 

 

[ghostguy123]

But why does it matter? They didn't make any exception for Jerry Rice, Joe Montana, Reggie White, Walter Payton, Lawrence Taylor, etc. Yes, Brady accomplished more in his football career than anyone else, but it just isn't necessary. It also means there is ample time to make sure he doesn't change his mind and decide to play again.

IMO the only reason to make an exception would be if he was diagnosed with an illness that would prevent him from reaching the normal induction time.

Again, why is it a bad thing to have an active player in the HOF??

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Going to be a hell of a HOF class at QB in 5 years

The guy you want to see enshrined honestly not even close to the guy who won the Super Bowl last year at 43, just saying there's major differences here. 

 

[Ministry of Pain]

IMO the only reason to make an exception would be if he was diagnosed with an illness that would prevent him from reaching the normal induction time.

I echo these thoughts and would always understand the rush to vote someone in if things were going South with their health suddenly but short of an "accident" I think Brady FTX will be going in 1st ballot or about 50 yrs old. 

-ON a side note Brady is just a couple years younger than myself and it feels like I am really old now since there's almost nobody his age on a roster. I can't remember FF very much prior to Tom Brady, I sorta remember when Steve Young was a thing in the early mid 90s but it's vague. 

 

[themeistersinger]

My first thought: missed a season with a blown out knee, so 21 active seasons.  7 rings.  33.3% chance to win a SB any given year active.

You can say it took a ridiculous team effort to come back from 28-3 with minutes left in the 3rd quarter.  I call BS.  Nobody does that.  Ever.  That's epic.

Tom ####### Brady.

Frank Reich did it.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Frank Reich did it.

I think he means in the Super Bowl with very little time left

Reich did it in college too for VA Tech vs my Canes in 1984 as I recall, down 31-0 at Halftime and serving as the back up to Stan Gelbaugh, Reich tosses 3 TDs in the 3rd and it's 34-21 when the 4th Q started and 2 weeks later Miami would lose in the "Hail Flutie" game in the Orange Bowl.