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QB Tom Brady, Retired (1 Viewer)
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Anarchy99
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According to Mike Florio in his new book, the source of the infamous “11 of 12 footballs that were at least 2 pounds under inflated” report that ESPN’s Chris Mortensen kicked off Deflategate was Troy Vincent, the NFL’s EVP of Football Operations. That intel was not accurate but Mort ran with it. Vincent ended up coordinating the league’s case involving Brady, and he was the one that recommended the discipline and suspension for Brady.
Additionally, while this played out, if people remember, the league tested the inflation of footballs throughout the 2015 season The data on that was said to have exonerated the Patriots and showed the team did not deliberately alter the air pressure of the footballs. Upon hearing of the findings, NFL general counsel Jeff Pash then issued a direct order for all the ball inflation data to be deleted.
Brady, the Patriots, and football fans alike should storm the NFL offices over this. Not sure where Florio got this information, but if true, this is about as bad a look as you can get for the league.
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Additionally, while this played out, if people remember, the league tested the inflation of footballs throughout the 2015 season The data on that was said to have exonerated the Patriots and showed the team did not deliberately alter the air pressure of the footballs. Upon hearing of the findings, NFL general counsel Jeff Pash then issued a direct order for all the ball inflation data to be deleted.
Brady, the Patriots, and football fans alike should storm the NFL offices over this. Not sure where Florio got this information, but if true, this is about as bad a look as you can get for the league.
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Dr. Octopus
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Dr. Octopus
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SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Yes - but facts are a funny thing to some people. I'm just so sick of the victim mentality of Pats fans.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I wonder if he’ll rejoin the Patriots for one more run. 
C’mon Tom.
C’mon Tom.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
He's still on the TB active roster and is under contract for one more season. Unless the Bucs cut him, Brady remains Tampa's property . . . he would have to be traded back to NE. The same thing happened with Gronk. When he wanted to come out of retirement, his contract was still owned by NE. The only way for him to have played anywhere else was to be traded (which NE did).I wonder if he’ll rejoin the Patriots for one more run.
C’mon Tom.
As far as Brady coming back to NE, I don't see any way for that to happen, nor do I see either side wanting it to happen. The Pats have moved on to Jones. They have very little salary cap dollars, so unless TB wanted to play for the league minimum, the financial side is a near impossibility. On top of that, Tom was miffed by the lack of talent on offense at the end of his run in NE. Bourne, Meyers, Agholor, and Henry are not in the same orbit as Godwin, Evans, Brown, and Gronk.
Basically, not much has changed, Tom and Bill aren't going to bake banana nut muffins together, Brady has said never again will he deal with the NE winters, so him suiting up for the Pats again just seems impossible. Maybe the Bucs will release Brady at some point and Kraft will pay him some ungodly amount to sign a one-day contract to finish his career as a Patriot. Given what appears to still be an icy relationship with the organization, I am not even sure that would happen.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I was being completely unserious (I thought the dancing pickle implied that) but I do appreciate the very serious response.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I often miss subtlety in posts and usually don't notice emojis.I was being completely unserious (I thought the dancing pickle implied that) but I do appreciate the very serious response.
I have heard plenty of locals here wondering how they could get Brady back for one last run. There are multiple people discussing this as we speak. It's even been on the radio. The takeaway is MAKE IT HAPPEN. Seeing you echo their position, it led me to conclude you were being serious.
Hot Sauce Guy
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Not hardly - I want Brady to stay out of football so my 2023 1st from the Brady/Gronk owner is a substantially better pick.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
It's probably higher than 1%. In his weekly interview with Jim Gray, Brady said never say never about him coming back, and he might feel differently in 6 months. It hadn't even been a week since he announced he was stepping away. I hope he doesn't start doing what Favre did. I think he's done and means it, but he might wake up when training camp starts and say he still has the competitive juices and wants to come back.
I stand behind everything I said a week ago except both times were I said something about a year away or off. He's barely been retired a week and he's not totally shut the door on the upcoming season.
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
Is it possible he comes back - but not for the Bucs?
Grahamburn
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SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
He should wait a couple months, then schedule a telecast for one month after that and start referring to it in the the third person as "The Decision".NorvilleBarnes said:
that's a good idea.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Maybe a ring counting hypothetical of sorts. That could never come back and haunt him.
San Fran makes too much sense.
Would be going back home. He will not have to carry the load with a great running game. Shanahan can slow play Lance...sprinkle him in...Kittle as his new Gronk...exciting young WRs in Deebo and Aiyuk.
One year deal. Another ring. Done.
Tau837
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DropKick
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While I personally suspect Brady is done, I would never underestimate a player's competitive desire to play.
So, is Brady a buy low target in fantasy?
Capella
Footballguy
And they sure wouldn’t be handing the Niners, a team that they are in contention with, the greatest QB ever. Pure fantasy.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I just want him to stay retired. I have the 1st round pick of the team who rosters Fournette, Gronk & Brady. SF league & he has nothing else at QB2 & no 2022 picks.
The more retired Brady is for 2022 the better. He can come back nice & rested in 2023.
The more retired Brady is for 2022 the better. He can come back nice & rested in 2023.
Hot Sauce Guy
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Wingnut
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If the 49ers only had a starting QB they could trade for those rights. Maybe a guy who has recent playoff and SB experience.
Like Brady said...never say never.
Capella
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-OZ-
Footballguy
while I’m obviously biased, I do believe that But for Tannehill’s contract, the Titans would be the perfect team for Tom. Both from the on field perspective and relationships. No doubt Tom would like to play for Mike. Wont happen, I’m not even sure they’d be better off for it long term.
Hot Sauce Guy
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I agree with Arians.
IMO he’ll take this year off, see how he feels, and if there is an opportunity to come into a strong team & win another ring, he’ll do so in 2023.
But if he’s been enjoying retirement, that’s it. Legacy cemented, game over.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Not necessarily. Brady has put Tampa in an awkward spot. They want him back but he retired. He’s still on the active roster. They will have to eat dead cap space by moving him to the retired list (where they would retain his rights).
The Bucs at that point would be in search for a new QB. If they traded for or signed one, that would likely chew up whatever little cap space they have remaining. Once that happens, Brady can file papers to be reinstated.
I forget the details of the process, but once that happens, the clock starts ticking. IIRC, the team would have 48 hours to facilitate a trade or add Brady to the active roster. However, the Bucs would have to be under the salary cap at the time he was activated. Remember, at that point they would have eaten Brady’s leftover cap hit AND signed a new QB. Adding Tom back to the roster could be really difficult. If the team couldn’t figure out a way for that to happen, Brady would be granted his release.
Brady could stay retired, return to the Bucs, get traded, or get released and play elsewhere. Not saying the last one has a big chance of happening. But it is on the table as an option
Grahamburn
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If Tom legitimately wanted to play there why wouldn't the Bucs trade him? Spite? It's incredibly bad business not to.
Anarchy99
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IF (and that's a big IF) the Niners were interested, I don't think this would be difficult to orchestrate with Brady and Garoppolo having the same agent. He could easily get Jimmy moved and get Brady acquired if that's what the 49ers really wanted. The Niners passed on Brady before, so who knows how much interest there is to go after him this time around. Brady could make it easier for a team to want him if he played for way under market value (it's not like he needs the money).
I can't imagine Brady would fetch a ton in return, given that he's already retired once and is turning 45. The other option I mentioned earlier is Brady can wait until the Bucs have signed a vet QB, used all their cap money, and then demand reinstatement. The Bucs would have 2 days to honor his request and either activate, trade, or release him. I don't know the ins and outs of the process, but Brady could demand his 2022 salary and bonuses (like $32 million and change) to get back on the Bucs roster when they don't have the space or the time to facilitate it. (Brady also would have to have been officially retired, which I don't believe he is as of yet. I saw the Bucs won't do that until after 6/1.)
Brady could leverage all of that and go to Tampa and say he's retiring, will play hard ball to force his release, or the team can trade him to the team of his choosing. If they picked the last one, at least Tampa would get something back in return.
Maybe Tom is just an attention whore, but he hasn't gone out of his way to say he's retired and done with football. It wasn't even a week when he started talking about whether he would make a comeback. He also mentioned recently it's to be determined what his job is, and he has some things potentially lined up. IIRC, he has not fully said he's retired and done playing, all he said was his time in Tampa was done. He's had every opportunity to come out and say he's done playing football, yet he doesn't ever say that.
I still don't think there's a great chance that he'll play next season, but I think the chances of him playing (probably on another team) are slowly rising.
Capella
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Capella
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The only way this works is if the Bucs get Russ or Rodgers or somebody and then yea they’d trade him obviously. Otherwise they’d be able to clear the space for him in about 30 minutes.
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Grahamburn
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Grahamburn
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Capella
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That’s not a reason to trade an extremely valuable player. Like Bruce said that’s very bad business.
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Grahamburn
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We're talking about 45 year old Tom Brady here not Tristan Wirfs. If he even really wants to play its likely only for one more season, and if he'd rather retire than come back to Tampa why not trade him for a 1st or 2nd round pick? I certainly would have given that up for two years of Tom Brady.
rockaction
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When Arians said "bad for business," that means he's with Capella. You don't say things like that unless you're frowning upon what the guy is doing. That statement was telling to me, in that
- it's possible Brady does want to come back
- no way the Bucs just grant him a trade or release him
rockaction
Footballguy
Tom Brady for two years is worth a first each year, and then some.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I don't expect him to do that either, but he can certainly leverage that as an option he has. Gronk did something similar to get to Tampa from NE. He was never going to play in NE again, the Pats at the time were cap strapped, and NE essentially got something (4th round pick) for nothing (as Gronk wasn't going to play for them anyway).
I don't know how badly Brady wants to play anymore or if he wants out of Tampa. But he could approach it the same way. Tampa can get nothing by Brady retiring or get something in return by trading him. TB12 could be justified in being peeved, as he essentially gave the Bucs $15 million for nothing. (He converted bonus guaranteed money from 2021 to 2022 to give the team cap flexibility last year but he never got paid that money.) There are potentially other things he could do to reduce his cap hit for Tampa to broker his trade or release.
To be clear, none of these things are probably going to happen, but they are options that are available for both sides to explore and discuss if Tom gets serious about suiting up again someplace else next season.
I also don't know what the market for Brady would be compared to say Rodgers or Wilson (both with more shelf life left than Brady). Maybe Tampa would rather just take the salary cap hit and tell TB to pound sand . . . or maybe it might benefit their cap situation to trade him, get some picks, and get more cap space back. The point being, it's "bad for business" to not even explore all the options.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I tend to disagree with this one. When Brady was available for 0 draft picks and $10 million a year under market value two years ago, 30 franchises said no thanks (taking NE and TB out of the mix). Not sure what would change two seasons later when he isn't available for free at 45 years old.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Depends. If we knew he was the same Tom as the past two years, yeah I’d give Caleb fairly and Isiah Wilson for him. (But not Simmons)
