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QB Tom Brady, Retired (2 Viewers)

Anarchy99 said:
I tend to disagree with this one. When Brady was available for 0 draft picks and $10 million a year under market value two years ago, 30 franchises said no thanks (taking NE and TB out of the mix). Not sure what would change two seasons later when he isn't available for free at 45 years old.
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When it’s obvious he hasn’t lost anything with a title and a near run at another? I’d say that changed. 

 
rockaction said:
When it’s obvious he hasn’t lost anything with a title and a near run at another? I’d say that changed. 
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Is there much difference when he left NE? Brady also won a title the year before and won a lot of game his last year in NE. It's almost the exactly the same outcome for both NE and TB. He won the SB the year before and won a lot of games his last season with the Bucs. The difference is he put up better numbers in Tampa, but he also had the benefit of a wealth of offensive weapons. Not sure there are many offenses that could lineup Evans, Godwin, AB, Gronk, and Fournette. Certainly, Brady would be a boost and an asset to most teams, but I wouldn't expect another 5300/43 season from Brady if he had lesser weapons.

There are probably only 5 teams that make much sense for Brady to consider if he wanted to play elsewhere . . .

- SF (hometown team, would let Lance develop, solid overall team)
- TEN (Vrabel connection, strong running game and WR weapons, already a top contender)
- LV (McDaniels connection and other ex-Pats coaches, city would likely benefit Giselle).
- MIA (Brady already in FL, Fins decent team that would benefit from Brady)
- IND (Decent overall team and RB. Would likely be much more formidable with Brady)

Those teams also had some questions at QB two years ago and could have signed Brady but obviously didn't.
 

 
Anarchy99 said:
Is there much difference when he left NE? 

Those teams also had some questions at QB two years ago and could have signed Brady but obviously didn't.
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Yes. I get that the market value is the actual price and that price is determined by demand in this case, but you have to figure that the league has learned a thing or two about Brady. The guy, if there was ever a doubt he's worth mortgaging the future for, proved that he was indeed worth it in the past two years. They were a bad play call away from beating this year's champs, too, no matter how unlikely it looked. 

If anything, that bomb to Evans proved he still had the deep ball in him in spades that game. The game itself proved that a Brady-led team is never out of it. 

And as far as weapons, he didn't have any in the L.A. Rams game besides Evans and Fournette, who is good, but close to league replacement level right now. Okay, maybe a little more than league replacement, but he's not Jonathan Taylor. Brady  had no talent at LT on the line and a banged-up C, too. And they still almost won. 

 
rockaction said:
Yes. I get that the market value is the actual price and that price is determined by demand in this case, but you have to figure that the league has learned a thing or two about Brady. The guy, if there was ever a doubt he's worth mortgaging the future for, proved that he was indeed worth it in the past two years. They were a bad play call away from beating this year's champs, too, no matter how unlikely it looked. 

If anything, that bomb to Evans proved he still had the deep ball in him in spades that game. The game itself proved that a Brady-led team is never out of it. 

And as far as weapons, he didn't have any in the L.A. Rams game besides Evans and Fournette, who is good, but close to league replacement level right now. Okay, maybe a little more than league replacement, but he's not Jonathan Taylor. Brady  had no talent at LT on the line and a banged-up C, too. And they still almost won. 
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Fournette had a shade under 1400 yards in 15 games this year. Sure, it's not Faulk numbers from his prime, but that is far from terrible.

I don't think the league would respond much differently if Brady were a free agent again two years after the fact. He's a strong option for a team in win now mode that has a QB as their weakest link. But the majority of the league already has their guy or are not serious contenders. And Brady isn't going to go to a bottom feeder.

 
Anarchy99 said:
Fournette had a shade under 1400 yards in 15 games this year. Sure, it's not Faulk numbers from his prime, but that is far from terrible.
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I backtracked a bit and gave him better than league average and potentially even better than that. He's probably, all things told, somewhere in the eight-fifteen range for running backs in the game. 

I think the league would be foolish if they weren't to realize he's worth their first each year he plays for the next two. You're only talking five years or so of team control for a first-round pick, if I'm not mistaken. Then franchise the next two if the player is extraordinary and your cap situation allows or commands it. I don't know. There are a lot of busts or average players coming out of the first round. 
 

 
rockaction said:
I backtracked a bit and gave him better than league average and potentially even better than that. He's probably, all things told, somewhere in the eight-fifteen range for running backs in the game. 

I think the league would be foolish if they weren't to realize he's worth their first each year he plays for the next two. You're only talking five years or so of team control for a first-round pick, if I'm not mistaken. Then franchise the next two if the player is extraordinary and your cap situation allows or commands it. I don't know. There are a lot of busts or average players coming out of the first round. 
 
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Who knows what logic teams use these days? The Packers traded Bree Favre to the Jets for a conditional 4th round pick. The 49ers traded Joe Montana, David Whitmore (starting safety), and a 3rd for the Chiefs’ 1st rounder. The Bears traded Kyle Orton, 2 firsts, and a 3rd for Jay Culter and a 5th. The Bears parted with a 1st for Rick Mirer after 4 years of nothingness in Seattle. Steve Young went to SF for a 2nd and a 4th. NE got a 1st for Drew Bledsoe. The Bengals got a 1st and a 3rd from the Raiders for Carson Palmer. Most recently, the Lions got Jared Goff, two 1sts, and a 3rd for Matt Stafford.

The point being teams have done lots of things to land or jettison a QB and the compensation has been all over the map. To be clear, that has nothing to do with how Brady is playing and what he could offer a team. He might be worth a first-round pick for each year he is expected to play, but I doubt a team would offer anything near that.

 
Anarchy99 said:
Who knows what logic teams use these days? The Packers traded Bree Favre to the Jets for a conditional 4th round pick. The 49ers traded Joe Montana, David Whitmore (starting safety), and a 3rd for the Chiefs’ 1st rounder. The Bears traded Kyle Orton, 2 firsts, and a 3rd for Jay Culter and a 5th. The Bears parted with a 1st for Rick Mirer after 4 years of nothingness in Seattle. Steve Young went to SF for a 2nd and a 4th. NE got a 1st for Drew Bledsoe. The Bengals got a 1st and a 3rd from the Raiders for Carson Palmer. Most recently, the Lions got Jared Goff, two 1sts, and a 3rd for Matt Stafford.

The point being teams have done lots of things to land or jettison a QB and the compensation has been all over the map. To be clear, that has nothing to do with how Brady is playing and what he could offer a team. He might be worth a first-round pick for each year he is expected to play, but I doubt a team would offer anything near that.
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Yeah, I get what you're saying. I get that my definition of his "worth" is not the market value of his worth, and that worth is market value. I think the NFL's evaluation would be different than mine, I guess. 

Mine might be the going rate to what the Bucs would need to help him come out of retirement to go to a new team, but it's not what teams are necessarily willing to pay. 

 
Anarchy99 said:
I tend to disagree with this one. When Brady was available for 0 draft picks and $10 million a year under market value two years ago, 30 franchises said no thanks (taking NE and TB out of the mix). Not sure what would change two seasons later when he isn't available for free at 45 years old.
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You’re not sure what changed in the last two seasons? 

 
Anarchy99 said:
I tend to disagree with this one. When Brady was available for 0 draft picks and $10 million a year under market value two years ago, 30 franchises said no thanks (taking NE and TB out of the mix). Not sure what would change two seasons later when he isn't available for free at 45 years old.
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Our recollection of interest in him when he was a FA could not be farther off.

 
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Ultimately, Brady is probably kicking himself for signing that 1-year extension last spring.  In the jubilation of the SB win last year, he must have forgotten what an egomaniac Arians is. Being around that guy for two years was probably too much for TB12. 

 
Ghost Rider said:
Ultimately, Brady is probably kicking himself for signing that 1-year extension last spring.  In the jubilation of the SB win last year, he must have forgotten what an egomaniac Arians is. Being around that guy for two years was probably too much for TB12. 
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Arians is a blow hard running his mouth about the 5 #1's. If/when  Brady wants to return he'll work it out with Licht who he has a friendship with and that one year extension you mentioned was probably at behest of Licht so they could better build a team around Tom. In other words I don't think Licht will be holding Brady's feet to the fire trying to extract a haul if Tom wants to return because Brady did the one year extension to be team friendly. Treating a player the caliber and pedgree of Brady like that is truly bad business.

 
menobrown said:
Arians is a blow hard running his mouth about the 5 #1's. If/when  Brady wants to return he'll work it out with Licht who he has a friendship with and that one year extension you mentioned was probably at behest of Licht so they could better build a team around Tom. In other words I don't think Licht will be holding Brady's feet to the fire trying to extract a haul if Tom wants to return because Brady did the one year extension to be team friendly. Treating a player the caliber and pedgree of Brady like that is truly bad business.
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Agreed. 

Arians can run his mouth all he wants, but if Brady really wants to come back and go elsewhere, the higher-ups in TB will thank him for the part he played in them getting their second Super Bowl win and let him leave.  

 
Ghost Rider said:
Agreed. 

Arians can run his mouth all he wants, but if Brady really wants to come back and go elsewhere, the higher-ups in TB will thank him for the part he played in them getting their second Super Bowl win and let him leave.  
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Yea sure. Hey Tom go off to San Francisco, a team on our schedule this year! Have fun! 
 

If the problem was Arians (it’s not), the Bucs would respectfully ask him to step aside and give Byron the job.  This is all very very dumb. 

 
Capella said:
Yea sure. Hey Tom go off to San Francisco, a team on our schedule this year! Have fun! 

If the problem was Arians (it’s not), the Bucs would respectfully ask him to step aside and give Byron the job.  This is all very very dumb. 
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The only thing that gives me pause is if he has a tacit sort of gentleman's agreement in place with the front office because of the restructuring of his deal so that they could stay under the cap for this past year and the "one more run" thing. If that's the case, they may extend him the courtesy of letting him go. I still imagine they'd try to get something for him. Arians said "Five no. 1's," which is off-the-cuff, but you know that the GM would be salivating at the thought of even one of those, really. 

So I'm inclined to agree with you, but that thought -- that they'd mutually part ways because of a quid pro quo gentlemanly notion for him accepting the restructuring -- did cross my mind and was reported by ProFootballTalk (I know, I know. Florio's ear to the ground isn't so hot and is usually just his take on things.)

 
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Capella said:
Yea sure. Hey Tom go off to San Francisco, a team on our schedule this year! Have fun! 
 

If the problem was Arians (it’s not), the Bucs would respectfully ask him to step aside and give Byron the job.  This is all very very dumb. 
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Oh, okay, good to know. 

 
menobrown said:
I'm not there yet.
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I was there (figuratively) when he said his wife was tired of him being gone for extended periods & He implied he was missing his children’s childhood.

He could come back in a year, but I absolutely heard a man who’s taking a year off.  He sounded resolved, and  little forlorn. And when he mentioned spending time with his kids he said something to the effect of “before it’s too late”. That hit hard, and I saw something in his eyes. 

I could be wrong of course, but I’d bet real money he doesn’t play in 2022. 

 
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Anarchy99 said:
I tend to disagree with this one. When Brady was available for 0 draft picks and $10 million a year under market value two years ago, 30 franchises said no thanks (taking NE and TB out of the mix). Not sure what would change two seasons later when he isn't available for free at 45 years old.
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That was before they knew he could still lead the league in most QB categories and win a Super Bowl without Bill. 

 
Anarchy99 said:
I tend to disagree with this one. When Brady was available for 0 draft picks and $10 million a year under market value two years ago, 30 franchises said no thanks (taking NE and TB out of the mix). Not sure what would change two seasons later when he isn't available for free at 45 years old.
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Its such silly comments as that where you lose all credibility regarding Brady.

My 2 cents re other topics:

If he wanted to come back Tampa would not stand in his way

He is not coming back

Carry on

 
Grahamburn said:
I tend to agree and think the majority of this is just media driven. 
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“Will he/won’t he?!” will be the headline of many a slow news day between now & game 1 of the 2022 season. 

“Breaking: Tom Brady spotted buying sneakers. Does this mean he’s starting a workout regimen in possible move to request a trade to the Colts to make another Super Bowl run?”

 
NE_REVIVAL said:
Its such silly comments as that where you lose all credibility regarding Brady.

My 2 cents re other topics:

If he wanted to come back Tampa would not stand in his way

He is not coming back

Carry on
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If Brady wanted to come back and play for another team, would Tampa be fine with that? My other point was not that 30 teams didn’t want Brady at all, they did not jump all over him when he was $10 million under market (or more) and available as a free agent and they would not have to give up anything to sign him. 

Now he’s about to turn 45, and someone suggested teams would be willing to give multiple first round picks for him. There are a ton of teams that have a QB that would not be interested in Brady now, let alone looking to trade multiple firsts for him. A rebuilding team and a contending team with a franchise QB would be out on Brady. Then there are teams and locales Brady probably wouldn’t be interested in. I stand by an assessment that a majority of teams two years ago or even now did not / would not have a great desire to roster him. 

That’s not the same as saying they think he is no longer capable, but for many teams they are less suited as a destination for Brady than other teams. 

 
SI's Albert Breer was just on Boston radio and shared his opinion on the Brady situation . . .

- He believes Brady would keep playing in the right situation, and his interest in playing for the Niners is legit. However, the cupboard is getting thin in terms of SF draft picks, so coming up with a suitable trade might be a challenge.
- He thinks Tampa feels they can convince Brady to come back for another year with the Bucs, especially if they keep the team together.
- As of now, Tampa thinks if Brady wants to keep playing, it will be with Tampa.
- Breer says the next few weeks will be key. Tampa has a lot of free agents, and where they end up may make it easier for Brady to decide what he wants to do. The Bucs could be down three starting OLmen and Godwin (and Gronk).
- Bert also mentioned the Bucs could chase another big name QB like Watson . . . which would make them much more inclined to move Brady. He feels Rodgers will stick with GB.
- If the Bucs end up with a QB room with Gabbert, Trask, and say Ryan Fitzpatrick, then they are hoping to lure back Brady. If they end up with much more of an established starter, then they will be more inclined to move on from Tom.
- He thinks there is some friction between Brady and Arians, and they may not be a great fit. Breer said he's not sure that the two could work something out. He felt both sides had different expectations on how things would work, and neither one loved how things played out this past season. He said it remains to be seen if they can agree to work together again. (He sounded skeptical.)
- His final thought was that it would be up to Brady and Shanahan to work together to figure out a way to get TB12 to SFO. 

 
I don't understand that line of logic.  If Brady really wanted to play another year in Tampa they'd be trying to sign the guys they needed to sign to make him happy.  Just like they did the last two seasons.  If he doesn't want to play for Tampa at all why go through the charade of retiring?  Just ask them to trade him.  If Brady did actually want to play, but he and Arians had friction the Bucs would just fire Arians.  It really is that simple.

 
Anarchy99 said:
SI's Albert Breer was just on Boston radio and shared his opinion on the Brady situation . . .

- He believes Brady would keep playing in the right situation, and his interest in playing for the Niners is legit. However, the cupboard is getting thin in terms of SF draft picks, so coming up with a suitable trade might be a challenge.
- He thinks Tampa feels they can convince Brady to come back for another year with the Bucs, especially if they keep the team together.
- As of now, Tampa thinks if Brady wants to keep playing, it will be with Tampa.
- Breer says the next few weeks will be key. Tampa has a lot of free agents, and where they end up may make it easier for Brady to decide what he wants to do. The Bucs could be down three starting OLmen and Godwin (and Gronk).
- Bert also mentioned the Bucs could chase another big name QB like Watson . . . which would make them much more inclined to move Brady. He feels Rodgers will stick with GB.
- If the Bucs end up with a QB room with Gabbert, Trask, and say Ryan Fitzpatrick, then they are hoping to lure back Brady. If they end up with much more of an established starter, then they will be more inclined to move on from Tom.
- He thinks there is some friction between Brady and Arians, and they may not be a great fit. Breer said he's not sure that the two could work something out. He felt both sides had different expectations on how things would work, and neither one loved how things played out this past season. He said it remains to be seen if they can agree to work together again. (He sounded skeptical.)
- His final thought was that it would be up to Brady and Shanahan to work together to figure out a way to get TB12 to SFO. 
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Sounds like a slow news-day to me. 

49ers spell a ton of capital on Trey Lance & have virtually nothing to offer in a trade. I seriously doubt Tom Brady has a chance in hell of suiting up in red and gold this year.

 
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Grahamburn said:
I don't understand that line of logic.  If Brady really wanted to play another year in Tampa they'd be trying to sign the guys they needed to sign to make him happy.  Just like they did the last two seasons.  If he doesn't want to play for Tampa at all why go through the charade of retiring?  Just ask them to trade him.  If Brady did actually want to play, but he and Arians had friction the Bucs would just fire Arians.  It really is that simple.
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This

 
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

/Vader

Signed,

- Guy with the ‘23 1st round pick of the Brady owner.  :wall:

 
Tom Brady announced on his Twitter account that he will return to the Buccaneers for the 2022 season. 

A video had been making the rounds of Brady not seeming entirely sure of his retirement while talking to Cristiano Ronaldo on Sunday, and that was apparently the preface to an about-face on his decision of 40 days ago. This immediately halts all downtrends for Mike Evans and Chris Godwin, and re-establishes the Buccaneers as a destination in free agency. Brady finished 2021 as the QB3 in average fantasy points per game and will remain an easy QB1 in 2022. 

RELATED: 

Mike Evans

, Chris Godwin

, Rob Gronkowski

SOURCE: Tom Brady on Twitter

Mar 13, 2022, 7:17 PM ET
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