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QB Trey Lance, LAC (2 Viewers)
- Thread starter Faust
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
Yeah, a lot of former NFL QBs could be on this list. I tried to name some decent ones.
I hope you are not making light of Kreig. He played for 18 years, 13 years as a starter, threw for a high of 32 TDs in a season, played in 3 pro bowls, had six 3000 yard seasons topping out at 3671 yards. His career spanned from 1981 to 1998, a time when 3,000 yard seasons were more the exception than the rule. David Kreig is the NFL's most unheralded "decent QB" of all time.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
199 ints .....meh....I thought Jim Zorn was more fun to watch as far as Seahawk QBs. I'll give Krieg credit for longevity.
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
-OZ-
Footballguy
This part is rather dumb:
San Francisco knows today — they know right now — if Trey Lance is gonna be great. Physically, emotionally, intellectually, can he handle it? They know it right now. … Folks, he's been there for 150-plus practices, played in six games, two starts, been in the film room now for a year."
We don’t know if Trevor Lawrence is going to be great, if Justin fields is going to be great, etc.
Oh, it’s from Cowherd?
not even worth me clicking the link, then.
btw, @Faust appreciate all you do my man.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Oh yeah, this was by no means aimed at @Faust, who I never assume endorses the content posted. I try not to shoot the messenger.
and yeah - Cowherd is regurgitating the Montana comments from…was it 3 months ago? At least 2. Anyway, yeah - Cowherd.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Cowherd & Florio are both self serving, no nothing, blowhards.
I'm sure their families love them and think they're nice guys, though.
I'm sure their families love them and think they're nice guys, though.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
probably has mroe to do with the fact that the kid barely played in college, in a smelly conference.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
JohnnyU
Footballguy
JohnnyU
Footballguy
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Footballguy
JohnnyU
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
No, but it doesn’t take a lot to be a better passer than Jackson and he did throw for 28 tds and 0 interceptions in a season.
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-OZ-
Footballguy
He’s definitely in the right place to succeed. Which is probably the most important thing for the vast majority of players.
I’m with you. Not to mention, look at the offense he’s going to be at the helm of. Great offensive line, solid run game, and a trio of talented pass catchers.
He doesn’t even have to be extraordinary to be a Top 5 QB in this offense, just good.
I disrespectfully disagree and I LOVE Lance as a top-8 QB for this season and probably higher going forward.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Looking at the 12 rushes per game Shanny gave him should pique curiosity in any FF owner. I’m tempted to offer up some picks for him while there’s still some ambiguity.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Tell me why (not necessarily you Faust) I should put a lot of faith in what Booger McFarland says?
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
JohnnyU
Footballguy
It is a little known fact that Bill Walsh is really Bill "Booger" Walsh to his friends
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I afford him the same amount of credibility as I do Cowherd.
that is not a compliment.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
It would never be made today.........along with Fast Times, Animal House, Porkey's, and every other sex based comedy ever made. We will never see anything ever like it again.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Sounds like the 49ers arent happy with the offers so far so trying some PR to raise the stakes. Very low chance of Jimmy staying IMO.
ESPN's Adam Schefter suggested the 49ers might keep Jimmy Garoppolo this offseason.
Schefter said Kyle Shanahan and the Niners could stick with Garoppolo in 2022 in large part because the QB is popular with teammates and Trey Lance still has a ways to go in his development as an NFL passer. Lance, Schefter said, "was probably further behind than people realized, Trey Lance is greener than people realize, Trey Lance is going to need more work than people realize, and they have a roster that can win now." Schefter added the team is "happy" with Lance's development. Garoppolo, a $26.9 million cap hit in 2022, is signed for one more year with San Francisco. Shanahan's unwavering commitment to Garoppolo in the team's 2021 postseason run suggests he could be amenable to letting Lance, 21, sit for another season before taking over the offense. The Niners' minds could change quickly, however, if a team offers major draft capital in exchange for Jimmy G.
ESPN's Adam Schefter suggested the 49ers might keep Jimmy Garoppolo this offseason.
Schefter said Kyle Shanahan and the Niners could stick with Garoppolo in 2022 in large part because the QB is popular with teammates and Trey Lance still has a ways to go in his development as an NFL passer. Lance, Schefter said, "was probably further behind than people realized, Trey Lance is greener than people realize, Trey Lance is going to need more work than people realize, and they have a roster that can win now." Schefter added the team is "happy" with Lance's development. Garoppolo, a $26.9 million cap hit in 2022, is signed for one more year with San Francisco. Shanahan's unwavering commitment to Garoppolo in the team's 2021 postseason run suggests he could be amenable to letting Lance, 21, sit for another season before taking over the offense. The Niners' minds could change quickly, however, if a team offers major draft capital in exchange for Jimmy G.
I don't think so - at least not for 2022. He really hasn't played a lot of football (including college games).
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
-Is that how you read the tea leaves? I see it more as an indictment that Lance is not going to be ready.
-Steve McNair largely rode the bench for 2 seasons while Chris Chandler or Chandelier depending on how you recall that guy but McNair sat and it served him well. I know Jimmy G costs a lot of $$$ for the Niners if they kept in '22 but if they want to return and make a deep run, they might need both QBs.
-McNair started 2 games as a rookie and 4 more his 2nd season behind Chandler.
I like the idea you have of creating a bigger market, what do you think Jimmy G is worth in a trade? Do you think the Phins would bring him in to help Tua learn a little more and make Tua earn his starting spot? I feel like there are minimal 4-5 teams that would be happy to work a trade as long as it isn't multiple 1st round picks which would be hard to imagine but the Niners might have a high asking price until they get closer to the Draft.
Whatever the Niners think they need to make Lance work in '22, whatever that is, impact defensive players to set up the offense and bail them out or better weapons, OL is pretty good but maybe they could add a sweet piece to the line and improve that running game even further. But something could happen on Draft Day and they can use Jimmy G to leverage whatever final pieces they feel they need for '22.
Cheers Bobby
Not that you asked me but that's how I see it.
A few reasons but biggest one is Jimmy's exit interview with media after the season. He said nothing about like "hope I can come back" but instead just matter of fact was saying he hoped to get traded to a good team. He also during that interview he just spoke with Lynch a few days about finding the right destination. I was actually a little surprised at the time the was that open and felt it did take a little leverage away from SF.
So that's the main reason but some other small reasons that add up but this is biggest reason I think this is posturing other then what Jimmy basically confirmed and that would be how would sitting out another year for Lance when he's barely played the last two years really help him develop? This is a guy who has attempted only 101 passes since 2019, 502 passes TOTAL during his entire High School, college and pro career. Think about that, 16 QB's in the NFL attempted more passes just last season then Lance has attempted since he was in junior high. Which should be of course set an expectation that he'd be raw at this time but how does sitting for chunk of another season help that? I just don't think practice reps are going to take away he'll be raw whenever his time is up so no sense in putting off the inevitable.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Just my opinion - Agree with Menobrown-Is that how you read the tea leaves? I see it more as an indictment that Lance is not going to be ready.
-Steve McNair largely rode the bench for 2 seasons while Chris Chandler or Chandelier depending on how you recall that guy but McNair sat and it served him well. I know Jimmy G costs a lot of $$$ for the Niners if they kept in '22 but if they want to return and make a deep run, they might need both QBs.
-McNair started 2 games as a rookie and 4 more his 2nd season behind Chandler.
I like the idea you have of creating a bigger market, what do you think Jimmy G is worth in a trade? Do you think the Phins would bring him in to help Tua learn a little more and make Tua earn his starting spot? I feel like there are minimal 4-5 teams that would be happy to work a trade as long as it isn't multiple 1st round picks which would be hard to imagine but the Niners might have a high asking price until they get closer to the Draft.
Whatever the Niners think they need to make Lance work in '22, whatever that is, impact defensive players to set up the offense and bail them out or better weapons, OL is pretty good but maybe they could add a sweet piece to the line and improve that running game even further. But something could happen on Draft Day and they can use Jimmy G to leverage whatever final pieces they feel they need for '22.
Cheers Bobby
The days of developing a QB for more than 1 yr like McNair, Pennington and Rodgers are over. The low rookie contract gives a team a certain window to win while not paying so much for a QB. Jimmy G's cap hit is $25M+ - so not only do we have a rookie QB who a team traded multiple 1st rd picks but a chance to open cap space and sign much of their core that are up for new deals.
Based on his history and performance I personally think Jimmy G should command a Wentz like deal - but Wentz failing and his injury history/product of system concern probably have the offers coming in much lower - probably mid round pick. As we get closer to the draft teams will have to decide what to do with a weaker than usual QB class. SF releasing PR on how they love Jimmy G/concerns abput Lance strengthens their position. Im sure they already had a chat with Lance saying not to read any of the offseason fodder....and Jimmy G is already made it clear he's going. So I read this as posturing.
Could he come back - possible - but only if they cant get at least something decent for him - as it gets closer to the draft I think they'll get a package they like and make the move - they are not only desperate for cap space but picks as well. Makes too much sense to deal him and I view this as smoke to try to leverage better offers.
