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QB Will Levis, TEN (1 Viewer)
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Ministry of Pain
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Which NFL teams would be willing to trade for him?
What is Levis actually worth? My guess is maybe a 3rd or 4th
How much better is he than the 4-5 QBs being kicked around in the 2nd-3rd-4th round this year?
Is Levis better than Milroe and Dart?
I could see him backing up Geno Smith in Las Vegas with a chance to work with Pete Carroll and get himself on more of a Darnold arc and be thinking about the team you will eventually lead after you are done with your time in Vegas. If I were Levis I would want out and try to attach myself to a team where I can grow and become more valuable in a year or two.
He needs to learn to take better care of the football and Carroll puts an emphasis on not turning the ball over.
I think it would be very helpful for his long term NFL health and well being, also can bend Brady's ear on things.
What is Levis actually worth? My guess is maybe a 3rd or 4th
How much better is he than the 4-5 QBs being kicked around in the 2nd-3rd-4th round this year?
Is Levis better than Milroe and Dart?
I could see him backing up Geno Smith in Las Vegas with a chance to work with Pete Carroll and get himself on more of a Darnold arc and be thinking about the team you will eventually lead after you are done with your time in Vegas. If I were Levis I would want out and try to attach myself to a team where I can grow and become more valuable in a year or two.
He needs to learn to take better care of the football and Carroll puts an emphasis on not turning the ball over.
I think it would be very helpful for his long term NFL health and well being, also can bend Brady's ear on things.
Big Nate
Footballguy
I think you are right in that he needs to go somewhere to be a back up, learn and continue to grow. Right now he can't be trusted as a starter, just not good enough and to inconsistent and erratic.
rockaction
Footballguy
He's not worth that. That article was a weird article. It said you'd be surprised what quarterbacks could fetch and then listed a bunch of acquisitions from the fourth round or lower, especially lower. Then it didn't follow up with any analysis about the trades it listed as comparison. It was an awful article.
Levis fetches a fourth at most, I would say. I would even say probably a fifth or so, or a swap. The value of these guys that have a year of questionable QB play under their belt seems to be minimal. The NFL really is a flash fry league, as Matt Waldman likes to say. It hopes to get these guys just right, but most of them burn in the frying pan.
TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
Certainly being behind a veteran vs Cam is a better situation for him. And the Vegas landing spot makes alot of sense.
But I'd be surprised if there is a team who'd offer a Day 2 pick. He's in Year 3 of his rookie deal that has 2 years left. And he'd be going somewhere to be the back-up/damaged ingenue so to speak.
Ironically, the Titans were in this same situation with Malik Willis last year and only secured a 2025 7th rounder.
BLOCKED_PUNT
Footballguy
I'm still thinking that the Titans either take Ward #1 and/or sign Rodgers. Assuming that there's no trade and that the Titans aren't already in tank mode...he won't start.
I really don't think that anyone would trade for him but maybe someone more knowledgeable than me knows more about his value. Is a 5th or 6th worth the 1.9 million-900k in dead money? I think most people will be in favor of taking the pick with the 5% chance of them being a quality player but I'm mostly of the position just let him back up Ward/Rodgers this year and that I think trading him is mostly useless.
-OZ-
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It’s not ironic. The titans have been horrible with QBs.
If Titans draft Ward, think they'd prefer a vet as a backup to help mentor, and seems like just a better overall dynamic. I would think a 5th is about right, he'd prob be better than a decent # of backups that get trotted out each year and maybe he could develop in the right situation.
I get that, but the vet market is a pretty dry at this point. Who are we even looking at? Flacco? Wentz?
I think Dallas would be an interesting team to throw a 5th for Levis. I'd rather bet on fixing Levis than take the QBs who are projected round 5.
rockaction
Footballguy
Are those two going to even mentor Ward? They're notorious for being bad at that. Remember the Flacco interview about not being there to be a mentor? That they were professional athletes or something along those lines? If you express that sentiment publicly because you're not smart enough to filter the question into a reasonably appropriate answer, chances are privately it's even worse than people let on.
Flacco still thinks he can start and has flashes where he's backed up by his belief. By and large, he falls off and inevitably starts reverting into older, chuck n' duck Flacco mode, but Indy for a game or two looked much better with him at the helm than Richardson. Then scouting and time caught up to him and he looked like nothing more than a back-up QB, but these guys often don't see the reality of it all.
Wentz is probably similar. He was in KC not to mentor Mahomes, but to be there for whatever Mahomes needed, so he hasn't taken that role on yet, either. Wentz has never been popular with all of his teammates. Divisive guy. Cost the Colts a playoff berth because he got on this anti-vaxx kick and the offensive line went with him and sure enough, they got disciplined and missed games.
Easton leaves open ended articles so he can claim he was correct later
rockaction
Footballguy
Tim Boyle signing likely means Levis is staying.
(I am of the opinion both Winston at NYG and Boyle can be cut or traded and people are too sure they'll be on opening day roster....)
Boyle and Levis went to the same high school. While Boyle is 30 and almost never plays, he's been on NFL rosters. He is who Levis communicated with in a "what's the NFL like" type way and whatever you can guess from there.
(I am of the opinion both Winston at NYG and Boyle can be cut or traded and people are too sure they'll be on opening day roster....)
Boyle and Levis went to the same high school. While Boyle is 30 and almost never plays, he's been on NFL rosters. He is who Levis communicated with in a "what's the NFL like" type way and whatever you can guess from there.
He's a good young reporter.
He's tireless and attends as much as he can.
I have lots of positives to say too.
Were a different bunch in the pool. This is a savvy experienced well read group. If those were posts, we would have replied calling him out on it.
I believe the pool made a lot of good writers over the decades.
He's just learning and adapting elsewhere. He's a good reporter but when he gets into the opinion stuff he's gotta pause and think "down the line" more sincerely than just throw stuff n see what sticks for clicks.
Oh! Negative above but his Callahan interview was outstanding. There's a positive example. But I see tweets or podcasts and I'm duuuude you're ruining it. Just be genuine! He'll figure it out and probably be an excellent reporter but right now he's in a learning phase
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massraider
Footballguy
Just the way the game is played now for some of these guys. He writes for a little off-brand site, has a podcast, but he's not established. There's hundreds of guys like him, trying to break into writing for their team.
A whole bunch of guys are essentially pumped up bloggers, with little qualifications other than enthusiasm. Easton has 7,000 followers, but has 47,000 freaking tweets. He is clearly engaging with the Twitterverse waaay too much.
There's a guy who writes for the Raiders, Vincent Bonsignore. He actually writes for the Review-Journal in Vegas, he's the local beat reporter. Should be a well-respected writer. he's not, not by me anyhow. Never breaks a story, never has any insight, has 54,000 tweets where he picks the dumbest responses to his tweets, and gets into a back and forth with Twitter randos. If you are the beat writer for an NFL team for an actual newspaper, not just SI.com or some some other site, quote-tweeting the dumbest people in your replies, and engaging them in arguments is a colossal waste of time, and makes you look bad.
Way too many of these 'reporters' are former Twitter randos themselves.
Even getting a 5th for Levis is probably optimistic.
The Bears got a conditional 6th for Justin Fields when they traded him to the Steelers - and, for all Fields' flaws - there was still a legitimate debate about keeping him as a starter and dealing the Williams #1 pick. Heck, the Jets have made him a starter this year (for some bizarre reason).
No one is talking about making Levis a starter.
The Bears got a conditional 6th for Justin Fields when they traded him to the Steelers - and, for all Fields' flaws - there was still a legitimate debate about keeping him as a starter and dealing the Williams #1 pick. Heck, the Jets have made him a starter this year (for some bizarre reason).
No one is talking about making Levis a starter.
I am on record being very low on Justin Fields, given his salary, potential as a pocket passer, and the reliance on his running - in my mind I know Fields' ceiling and the cost to see if I am wrong is prohibitive. If, however, I were a team like the Rams, I would happily throw a 5th to the Titans for Will Levis. His cap hit is really low for the next two years and if McVey could revive his career (like Darnold or Geno) he could be gold jerry, gold.
N Zone
Footballguy
This is all so ridiculous. I don't need some reporters opinion or even Titans management. They should keep Levis, let Ward beat him out, start Ward week1, and make Levis the backup. Levis was already benched so he no longer has claim to be the starter unless he takes it back in practice by outperforming Ward. No reason to trade Levis for a late round pick and then be left with a weaker QB room.
Jim Miller had Levis (yesterday radio, memory, could be off) with a sack every seven passes and a fumble every four carries.
This is why I don't think anyone traded for him.
I blame him but the coaches too.
This is not even close to "taking care of the football" and it is so bad that if I were a new GM, Callahan may not have a job.
I'd want stories of throwing it into the dirt in practice, attaboys for throwing to the sideline...I'd want a laundry list of what Callahan tried.
Why did he get put back in? I'd want a rrrreal good answer for that.
I'm sorry but QB coach Bo Hardegree keeping his job seems odd to me. All the players at his position played poorly and one left and did noticably better elsewhere. What issues were improved upon as the year moved on? This results business would have me hard pressed to keep this guy.
Sooo if we assume good things. Wow speeches and great explanations then why is Levis still there?
Suppose he sent videos of him throwing in the dirt the entire month of January. Ok fine.
No doubt "out there" explanation BUT BUT BUT
I don't know that Levis stinks if he does actually throw it away.
The turnovers and sacks are so overwhelmingly present in my memory that...I just don't know.
This is why I don't think anyone traded for him.
I blame him but the coaches too.
This is not even close to "taking care of the football" and it is so bad that if I were a new GM, Callahan may not have a job.
I'd want stories of throwing it into the dirt in practice, attaboys for throwing to the sideline...I'd want a laundry list of what Callahan tried.
Why did he get put back in? I'd want a rrrreal good answer for that.
I'm sorry but QB coach Bo Hardegree keeping his job seems odd to me. All the players at his position played poorly and one left and did noticably better elsewhere. What issues were improved upon as the year moved on? This results business would have me hard pressed to keep this guy.
Sooo if we assume good things. Wow speeches and great explanations then why is Levis still there?
Suppose he sent videos of him throwing in the dirt the entire month of January. Ok fine.
No doubt "out there" explanation BUT BUT BUT
I don't know that Levis stinks if he does actually throw it away.
The turnovers and sacks are so overwhelmingly present in my memory that...I just don't know.
Levis looked like a veteran.
Pretty good reports about today.
One reporter opened that he wasn't pushing trying to impress and was just "playing the game" in practice where it's mostly drills in shorts. What if he actually played the game that way?
I'll always expect choking on third and ten or whatever but..him comfy and relaxed is definitely a good sign even if minimal
Pretty good reports about today.
One reporter opened that he wasn't pushing trying to impress and was just "playing the game" in practice where it's mostly drills in shorts. What if he actually played the game that way?
I'll always expect choking on third and ten or whatever but..him comfy and relaxed is definitely a good sign even if minimal
InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
"I've been pleased with their demeanor and their approach. Will has done a really nice job of getting better at things he needed to get better at. I've felt pretty good about his offseason work and how he has come back."
I've really soured on Levis but gotta give the guy credit for working during the offseason- enough that coach singles him out.
I've really soured on Levis but gotta give the guy credit for working during the offseason- enough that coach singles him out.
Levis was interviewed about being the backup and "his team" being Ward's now and...he said it (suction) and everyone that's been through it knows that.
He went on and I thought he had a good attitude.
I took it as "it is what it is."
He hasn't shied away from responsibility or accountability. He's putting work in.
Callahan was praising his work with Jordan Palmer, QB trainer offseason, and inadvertently said he's on the Malik plan for development. It was a funny slip.
Anywho, I've said numerous times that how the Titans handled Malik and the work he put in and the coaches HE hired was excellent. I think Callahan meant he was trying to ensure Levis continues to develop as Malik did.
According to wyatt, Levis was perfect 4 for 4 then 0 for 2 and 0 for 1
The other backups combined for three passes (7 on 7 and team)
Sooooo that leaves a HUGE amount for Ward
Brandon Allen and Tim Boyle got a woah clear message of minimal usage, they might not make the team. Can you imagine 2 or 1 pass for the day? Oof
Yes they can get more work in the future and today could have been a day for Ward but...the first day was the first day of OTAs
He went on and I thought he had a good attitude.
I took it as "it is what it is."
He hasn't shied away from responsibility or accountability. He's putting work in.
Callahan was praising his work with Jordan Palmer, QB trainer offseason, and inadvertently said he's on the Malik plan for development. It was a funny slip.
Anywho, I've said numerous times that how the Titans handled Malik and the work he put in and the coaches HE hired was excellent. I think Callahan meant he was trying to ensure Levis continues to develop as Malik did.
According to wyatt, Levis was perfect 4 for 4 then 0 for 2 and 0 for 1
The other backups combined for three passes (7 on 7 and team)
Sooooo that leaves a HUGE amount for Ward
Brandon Allen and Tim Boyle got a woah clear message of minimal usage, they might not make the team. Can you imagine 2 or 1 pass for the day? Oof
Yes they can get more work in the future and today could have been a day for Ward but...the first day was the first day of OTAs
He's noticably better. There's enough highlights now. Y'all can nitpick a QBs throwing motion and feet and all that. Its night n day different with him though. I think it's wow, you did work on things this offseason.
Kudos to Jordan Palmer
In Wyatt's notes he did very well in drills but struggled in team sessions...yep. That's still Levis.
Progress though. I'll give him that
Kudos to Jordan Palmer
In Wyatt's notes he did very well in drills but struggled in team sessions...yep. That's still Levis.
Progress though. I'll give him that
More of same from Levis in minicamp. Every reporter raved of a deep shot and he looks improved etc.
The Titans have to figure out how to pressure him in practice and also apply that to Ward. They have to fix Levis' choking and oh btw might as well include the rookie.
I still find it fascinating he and Boyle went to the same high school. I think Boyle gets cut and asked to be a QB asst coach or somesuch. Braelon Allen and Boyle are not "let's keep a third and fourth" type players but the Titans are very comfortable with them for practice.
The Titans have to figure out how to pressure him in practice and also apply that to Ward. They have to fix Levis' choking and oh btw might as well include the rookie.
I still find it fascinating he and Boyle went to the same high school. I think Boyle gets cut and asked to be a QB asst coach or somesuch. Braelon Allen and Boyle are not "let's keep a third and fourth" type players but the Titans are very comfortable with them for practice.
warpig33
Footballguy
Have we been told "Best shape of his life" yet?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
He has as much chance of starting as @TheWinz does of becoming the OC for the Rams.Have we been told "Best shape of his life" yet?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
You’ve got my vote, buddy.OK, Matty, QB sneak on one!He has as much chance of starting as @TheWinz does of becoming the OC for the Rams.Have we been told "Best shape of his life" yet?
—-49ers fan
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I think he would have lot that competition anyway. He's actually very lucky to have gotten the opportunities he has. He's never been a veyr good player. Looks the part but can't play it.
