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QB Zach Wilson, MIA (1 Viewer)

Zach Wilson seriously doesn't seem like a bad person or somebody with a bad work ethic at all. He seems like a kid who was overmatched by the NFL. That's the story of a lot of folks. Hoping he puts it together sooner rather than later for the Jets' sake, actually.
That’s how I saw it too - he was a little overwhelmed, and seemed way out over his skis.

But from all reports he’s a hard worker, shows up on time, practices, is respectful.

There was a rumor to the contrary going around but IIRC it was quickly debunked by teammates.
No way round it ZW was awful...however the Jets did him no favors. 1st time OC who was pretty bad, never truly replaced the only coach with experience offensively in Knapp after he died, no vet to learn from his rookie year and tossed him in the deep end when he was clearly drafted way above his skill set.

That being said the kid was all time bad so he clearly earned all the fans ire. Im in the minority who thinks part of the Rodgers project is to develop ZW and hopefully give him another shot in 2-3 yrs. I know its a ridiculous long shot after what he went through the past 2 yrs but I do think JD would love the salvage his biggest whiff. Im with Doc that I hope we dont see him for 2-3 yrs but if he is still on the Jets after the A-Rod era is over he may get another shot if he looks the part the next 2 yrs in practice. If he is in a game in the next 2 yrs then something has gone horrifically bad!
 
Love what I'm reading about Aaron and Zach at NYJ.
I didn't think this guy had that in him or that or....two guys being gems.
Idk if it will change in camp or when the games count but I'm very impressed.
 
He looked horrible against scrubs last night - not even sure he can win the backup job at this point. With a 40+ year old QB they may need to stick their backup in a game or two or three…if that’s Wilson, season is over.
 
He looked horrible against scrubs last night - not even sure he can win the backup job at this point. With a 40+ year old QB they may need to stick their backup in a game or two or three…if that’s Wilson, season is over.
The rest of his supporting offensive cast was also "scrubs". I thought he looked ok. :shrug:
 
He looked horrible against scrubs last night - not even sure he can win the backup job at this point. With a 40+ year old QB they may need to stick their backup in a game or two or three…if that’s Wilson, season is over.
The rest of his supporting offensive cast was also "scrubs". I thought he looked ok. :shrug:
He's entering his third season. He should be able to dominate scrubs even playing with scrubs if he was a good QB. He made one nice pass, that was a better catch than it was a pass - and otherwise looked lost like he did last year.
 
I thought it was funny how Collinsworth was acting like it was so impressive that Wilson, in his third season, finally learned to look at his second read before attempting to take off and scramble(and then fall down).
 
I thought it was funny how Collinsworth was acting like it was so impressive that Wilson, in his third season, finally learned to look at his second read before attempting to take off and scramble(and then fall down).
I chuckled as well at that "analysis": "He did something really dumb there but at least he didn't do something really really dumb".
 
He looked horrible against scrubs last night - not even sure he can win the backup job at this point. With a 40+ year old QB they may need to stick their backup in a game or two or three…if that’s Wilson, season is over.
The rest of his supporting offensive cast was also "scrubs". I thought he looked ok. :shrug:
He's entering his third season. He should be able to dominate scrubs even playing with scrubs if he was a good QB. He made one nice pass, that was a better catch than it was a pass - and otherwise looked lost like he did last year.
At this point I have no idea what Joe Douglas was thinking even in wanting to draft him at all let alone at #2. For a GM that drafted ROY on both sides of the ball it is perplexing to say the least. Wilson still looks lost, terrible fundamentals and not able to make the easy throws even against 3rd teamers. The one long throw was decent but otherwise he looked. terrible.

At this point I think they know the season is toast without Arod and they are paying Wilson alot so they'll keep him as backup by default.
 
He played like he was just drafted this year. If AA Ron goes down they are in trouble, especially given the defenses within the division.
 
A 3rd year player, also former top 3 pick, at ANY position, should come in and completely dominate the HALL OF FAME game.

If he had looked as good as the Browns rookie 3rd stringer, people would be excited.

This guy is just Hackenberg with a taste for the older lay-dees.
 
A 3rd year player, also former top 3 pick, at ANY position, should come in and completely dominate the HALL OF FAME game.

If he had looked as good as the Browns rookie 3rd stringer, people would be excited.

This guy is just Hackenberg with a taste for the older lay-dees.

Different regime, but man....imagine how bad Hackenberg had to have been in practice for them to never even give him a SHOT at playing in a game. He literally never took an NFL regular season snap as the 51st pick in the draft.
 
Harrison Glaser
"Zach Wilson just needs to continue to stack up good days. You probably felt yesterday wasn't his best day, & that's okay. He threw his 1st interception of camp, it's been 2 1/2- almost 3 weeks now, so he's been having a good camp. You're always gonna hit a bump in the road, I don't care how good of a QB you are, just to see him bounce back & continue & get back on track on the road he's been progressing on, excited about his direction. I mean he's in such a great mindset, so it's just a matter of him just getting back on the horse & rolling."- Robert Saleh
 
If Rodgers' presence helps the Jets both make the playoffs and salvage Wilson, that trade with the Packers will go down as an all-time great move.
 
Guy threw one completion over ten yards. Everything else was a checkdown, and not all of those were thrown well. He's still just revoltingly bad for a #2 pick. His contract is also up when Rodgers' contract is up. No way they extend him for a fifth year. There's no salvaging his career with the Jets.
 
If Rodgers' presence helps the Jets both make the playoffs and salvage Wilson, that trade with the Packers will go down as an all-time great move.
Whats that say about the coaching if it took the presence of Rodgers to salvage Wilson?
Wilson isn’t salvaged - he still stinks. He was a bit more accurate and decisive in Game 2, but didn’t throw a pass over 10 yards. Every completion was a dump off.
 
It's difficult to judge if/how much he has improved from a preseason game. Teams don't game plan for opponents, they work on concepts. I wouldn't be surprised if the plan was to get Wilson mostly easy completions and try to build on that.

It's a bad sign either way though. If you don't think he can consistently make aggressive plays it's bad and if you think his ego is so fragile that you need to force good outcomes it's also bad.

I'm rooting for him but not at all optimistic.
 
It's difficult to judge if/how much he has improved from a preseason game. Teams don't game plan for opponents, they work on concepts. I wouldn't be surprised if the plan was to get Wilson mostly easy completions and try to build on that.

It's a bad sign either way though. If you don't think he can consistently make aggressive plays it's bad and if you think his ego is so fragile that you need to force good outcomes it's also bad.

I'm rooting for him but not at all optimistic.
That seems like a false dilemma. There could be other conclusions besides those two.

Reading Saleh, it sounds like they’re making progress - working on timing and reads. And also according to Saleh, Wilson was doing exactly what they wanted in making reads quickly, getting the ball out.

I’m not seeing a negative there. Did you want Wilson to go off script and get “aggressive” when the coaching staff wanted him to work on those specific things? I would think that would be bad.

When you frame it as a damned if he do, damned if he don’t scenario, sure - I guess it’s all bad.

Saleh seemed pretty pleased though.
 
It's difficult to judge if/how much he has improved from a preseason game. Teams don't game plan for opponents, they work on concepts. I wouldn't be surprised if the plan was to get Wilson mostly easy completions and try to build on that.

It's a bad sign either way though. If you don't think he can consistently make aggressive plays it's bad and if you think his ego is so fragile that you need to force good outcomes it's also bad.

I'm rooting for him but not at all optimistic.
That seems like a false dilemma. There could be other conclusions besides those two.

Reading Saleh, it sounds like they’re making progress - working on timing and reads. And also according to Saleh, Wilson was doing exactly what they wanted in making reads quickly, getting the ball out.

I’m not seeing a negative there. Did you want Wilson to go off script and get “aggressive” when the coaching staff wanted him to work on those specific things? I would think that would be bad.

When you frame it as a damned if he do, damned if he don’t scenario, sure - I guess it’s all bad.

Saleh seemed pretty pleased though.
I did say it was possibly by design.

I'm fine with your spin and I'm fine with mine.

What I don't consider relevant is anything the coach says to the media unless it's "Okay, we admit it, he sucks."
 
What if ARod goes down, misses 4 weeks, Wilson comes out balling & they go 3-1 in that stretch?

Still no salvaging his career with the Jets?

I assumed that the person meant after A-Rod retired then Wilson could be a starter.

Sure, in as much as he's a backup to Rodgers, you want Wilson playing as well as he possibly can if Rodgers goes down. You always want the best performance out of guys on your team. Listen, if Wilson were to start lighting it up, I'd totally be on board and would change my criticism to adulation in a heartbeat. I can only go on what I see, and he was still missing guys badly downfield, throwing buddy passes, and wasn't even that accurate in the short game (he missed a throw to Bam Knight badly and almost got him killed).

I'm not sure your optimism is well-placed here. Like Chaka said, the coach is never going to be honest. Wilson cost an (admittedly terrible) OC his job and almost cost the head coach and GM theirs. Wilson still stinks like fish in a microwave. I hope I'm wrong that he stays that way.
 
What if ARod goes down, misses 4 weeks, Wilson comes out balling & they go 3-1 in that stretch?

Still no salvaging his career with the Jets?

I assumed that the person meant after A-Rod retired then Wilson could be a starter.

Sure, in as much as he's a backup to Rodgers, you want Wilson playing as well as he possibly can if Rodgers goes down. You always want the best performance out of guys on your team. Listen, if Wilson were to start lighting it up, I'd totally be on board and would change my criticism to adulation in a heartbeat. I can only go on what I see, and he was still missing guys badly downfield, throwing buddy passes, and wasn't even that accurate in the short game (he missed a throw to Bam Knight badly and almost got him killed).

I'm not sure your optimism is well-placed here. Like Chaka said, the coach is never going to be honest. Wilson cost an (admittedly terrible) OC his job and almost cost the head coach and GM theirs. Wilson still stinks like fish in a microwave. I hope I'm wrong that he stays that way.
Never said I was optimistic. Just asking questions. ;)
 
It's difficult to judge if/how much he has improved from a preseason game. Teams don't game plan for opponents, they work on concepts. I wouldn't be surprised if the plan was to get Wilson mostly easy completions and try to build on that.

It's a bad sign either way though. If you don't think he can consistently make aggressive plays it's bad and if you think his ego is so fragile that you need to force good outcomes it's also bad.

I'm rooting for him but not at all optimistic.
That seems like a false dilemma. There could be other conclusions besides those two.

Reading Saleh, it sounds like they’re making progress - working on timing and reads. And also according to Saleh, Wilson was doing exactly what they wanted in making reads quickly, getting the ball out.

I’m not seeing a negative there. Did you want Wilson to go off script and get “aggressive” when the coaching staff wanted him to work on those specific things? I would think that would be bad.

When you frame it as a damned if he do, damned if he don’t scenario, sure - I guess it’s all bad.

Saleh seemed pretty pleased though.
I did say it was possibly by design.

I'm fine with your spin and I'm fine with mine.

What I don't consider relevant is anything the coach says to the media unless it's "Okay, we admit it, he sucks."
Fair enough.
 
I said this since the Jets started sniffing around Rodgers - part of the Arod allure is it was the only option to possibly salvage Zach in JD's eyes. ZW loves Rodgers and has no problem sitting behind him for the next 2 seasons. The $ is already guaranteed and he has zero trade value so this gives him a chance to sit quietly and see if he can rebuild. Im sure JD hates having a pick in the conversation in the biggest bust in NFL history so this gives him a way to drag it out and see if the kid somehow puts it together and takes a big step.....I dont see it happening but I do see him being here as the primary backup next 2 yrs.

Could he win a game or 2 if Arod is out short term? sure - he beat buffalo last season playing awful....can he save the season if Arod is out long term - zero chance.
 
I said this since the Jets started sniffing around Rodgers - part of the Arod allure is it was the only option to possibly salvage Zach in JD's eyes. ZW loves Rodgers and has no problem sitting behind him for the next 2 seasons. The $ is already guaranteed and he has zero trade value so this gives him a chance to sit quietly and see if he can rebuild. Im sure JD hates having a pick in the conversation in the biggest bust in NFL history so this gives him a way to drag it out and see if the kid somehow puts it together and takes a big step.....I dont see it happening but I do see him being here as the primary backup next 2 yrs.

Could he win a game or 2 if Arod is out short term? sure - he beat buffalo last season playing awful....can he save the season if Arod is out long term - zero chance.
:goodposting:
 
zero. maybe better than a journeyman backup, but the jets will use him as qb2 until his contract runs out and they find a long term solution after rodgers is gone. wilson simply isn’t any good.
 
zero. maybe better than a journeyman backup, but the jets will use him as qb2 until his contract runs out and they find a long term solution after rodgers is gone. wilson simply isn’t any good.
Every time I see posts like this I root for the redemption arc.

ARod out for the year, Zach Wilson Carrie’s the Jets on his shoulders & takes the team to the SB (and loses to my 49ers).

I don’t believe it’ll happen, but he seems like a decent kid and I think he has some talent.
 
zero. maybe better than a journeyman backup, but the jets will use him as qb2 until his contract runs out and they find a long term solution after rodgers is gone. wilson simply isn’t any good.
Every time I see posts like this I root for the redemption arc.

ARod out for the year, Zach Wilson Carrie’s the Jets on his shoulders & takes the team to the SB (and loses to my 49ers).

I don’t believe it’ll happen, but he seems like a decent kid and I think he has some talent.
I along with most Jets fans hold no personal animus toward ZW - by all aspects hes a good person, great arm, works hard and cares. Problem is he is a bad QB and was taken with the #2 overall pick. That causes anger, hatred, etc among the Jet fan base. He's just so bad most Jet fans cant understand how he could have even been in the discussion for a 1st rd pick besides the #2 overall. Watching a late rder like Purdy excel makes it even more upsetting.

Id be absolutely shocked if ZW is anything more than a backup for a few yrs then out of the league. He's at least in a position to learn from one of the greats and show some type of improvement to get a second chance but the fact that everyone is excited that he completed a few screen passes shows how bad hes been.
 
i think he’s a worse version of sanchez and darnold. what is really odd is that as athletic as he has been made out to be, nothing is designed for him to use it. he never rolls out, is never in motion. he is seemingly unable to complete anything beyond 5 yards. he just looks like a guy that has no confidence and doesn’t want to make a mistake, so he doesn’t throw. the problem with that for wilson is that he is also inaccurate and has no touch in the 1-5 yard space. balls are over the place, have the wrong pace, etc. i have never seen a guy on 3rd and less than 10 always throw the ball short of the first down line. zero chance this guy is the long term answer at qb for the jets.
 
Every time I see posts like this I root for the redemption arc.
You've constantly called Trey Lance a bust - sometimes fans just know. I'm not rooting against Zach, even once he's ultimately released but I feel safe in saying, he's not an NFL starting QB.
I think ZW has a better/more realistic shot at being a decent NFL QB than Trey Lance.
Absolutely.

It is unlikely either amounts to much as an NFL starting QB but Wilson has worlds more experience which makes it far more likely, relative to Lance, the light bulb will turn on for him at some point.

It's shocking how little passing experience Lance has in his college/pro career.

2018 1 pass attempt
2019 287 pass attempts
2020 30 pass attempts
2021 71 pass attempts
2022 31 pass attempts

Wilson has:
2018 182
2019 319
2020 336
2021 383
2022 242

Under the premise that reps are the best path towards improvement, it is difficult to see a path forward for Lance.
 

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