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Question about driving in the "fast lane" (1 Viewer)

What is the correct speed to drive in the left lane on the freeway?

  • Less than 65 MPH

    Votes: 3 1.6%
  • 65-69 MPH

    Votes: 5 2.7%
  • 70-74 MPH

    Votes: 38 20.5%
  • 75-79 MPH

    Votes: 42 22.7%
  • 80+ MPH

    Votes: 23 12.4%
  • None of the above (explain in comments)

    Votes: 74 40.0%

  • Total voters
    185
I agree with daniel technically, but I think he's either very dense, intentionally obtuse, or just into fishing.
A little bit of 2 and 3.
So now that you're starting to realize how silly your "arguments" have been here, now you're fishing. *wink wink*

if you're arguing that people driving the left lane are terrible drivers because they're breaking a law while arguing that you're an awesome driver despite breaking speed laws, you're a hypocrite.
Who's arguing that?

Do you not realize that you're the one who keeps trying to make his own poor driving habits seem more reasonable by continually comparing them to others' poor driving habits? No one else is arguing that speeding is "awesome." You're accusing others of "selfishness" and "ego" yet you're the only one displaying those traits by arguing that it's ok for you to drive whatever speed you want in the passing lane.

"Logic." Yikes.
Have you not been reading? Everyone in here is screaming about how they need to be in the left lane passing people who are doing the speed limit on the right! And again, you're having a hard time understanding what I'm talking about because I NEVER ####### SAID THAT I SHOULD DRIVE WHATEVER SPEED I WANT IN THE LEFT LANE. Do I need to repeat that again? Maybe put it in bold?

I'm not changing my stance on anything or flip flopping over to "fishing", I'm admitting that while I fully stand behind my statements, the reason I haven't given up on you #######s is because yeah, I'm having a bit of fun baiting you. It's fun fishing when you're on the right side of an argument. Scoff all you want, your opinion matters not to me.

 
"It's more important for me to show people what I think they should be doing than it is for me to do what is reasonable for everybody's safety and the efficiency of the whole."

 
"It's more important for me to show people what I think they should be doing than it is for me to do what is reasonable for everybody's safety and the efficiency of the whole."
What nobody here seems to understand is that applies to people riding the left lane AND people who drive over the speed limit and weave dangerously through traffic.

 
"It's more important for me to show people what I think they should be doing than it is for me to do what is reasonable for everybody's safety and the efficiency of the whole."
What nobody here seems to understand is that applies to people riding the left lane AND people who drive over the speed limit and weave dangerously through traffic.
Most people understand that weaving "dangerously through traffic" is dangerous.

 
"It's more important for me to show people what I think they should be doing than it is for me to do what is reasonable for everybody's safety and the efficiency of the whole."
What nobody here seems to understand is that applies to people riding the left lane AND people who drive over the speed limit and weave dangerously through traffic.
Most people understand that weaving "dangerously through traffic" is dangerous.
Going by some of the comments in this thread? No, I wouldn't say that's a given.

 
Btw- where you live plays a part. Here in the DMV, we drive 85+ on average in the left lane when there isn't an accident or a logjam caused by some morons going 45 and talking on their cel phone.

 
mr roboto said:
Fat Nick said:
Wingnut said:
I always use the left lane...I drive 5-7 mph over the speed limit...I get out of the way for everyone who is driving faster than me, then get back in the lane. As long as you're not holding up faster traffic, feel free to use the lane and go fast as you want.
At what point do you recognize that you are "in the way" of another car?
This is the problem. No one looks behind them when driving, I swear. The left lane campers are those that don't pay attention to their speed, their mirrors, or what's going on behind them.
I'm always watching behind me when I drive. Nobody's ever behind me for more than 5 seconds when im in the fast lane...but i drive 5k miles a month for work so im a pro and inderstand how to not be a jackass on the road.
 
What about when the right lane is in horrible condition (the actual road; bumpy, small potholes, etc) and the left lane is in far better condition (it happens) ?

 
Driving slow in the left lane is dbag but slightly not as dbag as someone refusing to pass on the right. You would rather drive a mile behind slow ### in the left lane than move to the right lane and pass?

 
left lane is atleast 5+ the speed limit. you can stay in the left lane if your the fastest car, but once someone is coming up on your bumper its time to move over

 
There is no set speed for left lane. It is there to keep things moving. When you are in the passing lane you need to be moving, passing anything on your right.

If traffic is heavy then it really won't matter just don't be an idiot and drive slow. And, don't be the idiot who weaves in and out of traffic to get 2 spots ahead. Just keep things moving people.

And always remember: anyone who drives faster than you is a maniac, anyone who drives slower is a moron.

 
You should drive what ever you want in left lane but if someone is coming up behind you, move over to the right lane. On 35 between Dallas and San Antonio, it is usually three lanes and so many people are in the left lane, it is many times faster to go in the far right lane. If you want to just drive the speed limit or slight over, just stay in the right lane. Also thru Austin (and 20 miles north and south?), trucks are not allowed in the left lane which promotes everyone else being in the left lane so you end up with constant weaving (and texting). Can pretty much count on encountering an accident somewhere on 35.

 
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danielmclark said:
Apple Jack said:
danielmclark said:
Ministry of Pain said:
No offense to the OP but I don't drive anywhere in South Florida where the left lane is not being hugged at about the speed limit to maybe 5 over, you have to zig zag back and forth between lanes to get anywhere. You can spout all this perfect answer stuff but out in the real world down here you are whistling Dixie my friend.

Someone tell em I'm wrong. I also do not remember SoCal being anything close to ideal either.
If they're doing the speed limit or 5 over and you're zig zagging around them, you're the problem, not them. They're obeying the speed limit.
But it's not me doing it, it's MoP. And you have just instigated MoP and others like him to drive recklessly. That is the checkmate point on this issue. It's that you know people are going to go around you and that is adding danger because people tend to no be prepared for other passing them on the right/tailgating/etc, therefore you are as much a hazard as he is, if not more.
I don't disagree with that, but consider what MoP is saying - if everyone's going the speed limit or 5 over, he still wants the left lane cleared to he can pass... by driving illegally over the speed limit. He's basically complaining that people aren't making it easy for him to break the law. And though I'm using his name, I don't mean to imply that he's specifically a problem driver, but he did bring this up... and there are tons of people that seem to agree with him.
:lmao: at problem driver.

 
The highway signs I see in Virginia and North Carolina say "Slower Traffic Keep Right".

They don't say "Slower Traffic Keep Right Unless You Are Driving the Speed Limit" or "Slower Traffic Keep Right Unless You Are Driving 10 MPH Over the Speed Limit" or any similar derivative. By definition, if you are in the left lane and another vehicle moving faster comes up behind you, you are "Slower Traffic".

They don't say "Faster Traffic Keep Left" either, so those who are forced to pass on the right are not the violators.

Unless traffic is congested (e.g., at commute times), there is no excuse for going slow enough in the left lane as to force others who need/want to go faster to pass on the right.

 
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The highway signs I see in Virginia and North Carolina say "Slower Traffic Keep Right".

They don't say "Slower Traffic Keep Right Unless You Are Driving the Speed Limit" or "Slower Traffic Keep Right Unless You Are Driving 10 MPH Over the Speed Limit" or any similar derivative. By definition, if you are in the left lane and another vehicle moving faster comes up behind you, you are "Slower Traffic".

They don't say "Faster Traffic Keep Left" either, so those who are forced to pass on the right are not the violators.

Unless traffic is congested (e.g., at commute times), there is no excuse for going slow enough in the left lane as to force others who need/want to go faster to pass on the right.
That's just a ploy to make it easier for the police to nab the Justin Biebers going all fast & furious down the road.

 
The highway signs I see in Virginia and North Carolina say "Slower Traffic Keep Right".

They don't say "Slower Traffic Keep Right Unless You Are Driving the Speed Limit" or "Slower Traffic Keep Right Unless You Are Driving 10 MPH Over the Speed Limit" or any similar derivative. By definition, if you are in the left lane and another vehicle moving faster comes up behind you, you are "Slower Traffic".

They don't say "Faster Traffic Keep Left" either, so those who are forced to pass on the right are not the violators.

Unless traffic is congested (e.g., at commute times), there is no excuse for going slow enough in the left lane as to force others who need/want to go faster to pass on the right.
Agree 100% JWB, as soon as someone is behind you then you are slower traffic. I used to let it bother me but now I just pull over for a second and let them pass, many times when I get back into the left lane I am now directly behind them and suddenly they aren't moving nearly as fast and occasionally they hop out of the left lane suddenly.

 
The highway signs I see in Virginia and North Carolina say "Slower Traffic Keep Right".

They don't say "Slower Traffic Keep Right Unless You Are Driving the Speed Limit" or "Slower Traffic Keep Right Unless You Are Driving 10 MPH Over the Speed Limit" or any similar derivative. By definition, if you are in the left lane and another vehicle moving faster comes up behind you, you are "Slower Traffic".

They don't say "Faster Traffic Keep Left" either, so those who are forced to pass on the right are not the violators.

Unless traffic is congested (e.g., at commute times), there is no excuse for going slow enough in the left lane as to force others who need/want to go faster to pass on the right.
Agree 100% JWB, as soon as someone is behind you then you are slower traffic. I used to let it bother me but now I just pull over for a second and let them pass, many times when I get back into the left lane I am now directly behind them and suddenly they aren't moving nearly as fast and occasionally they hop out of the left lane suddenly.
Why are you getting right back into the left lane after they pass you?

 
"It's more important for me to show people what I think they should be doing than it is for me to do what is reasonable for everybody's safety and the efficiency of the whole."
What nobody here seems to understand is that applies to people riding the left lane AND people who drive over the speed limit and weave dangerously through traffic.
Most people understand that weaving "dangerously through traffic" is dangerous.
And wouldn't be necessary if speed limit or slower drivers got out of the left hand lane.

 
"It's more important for me to show people what I think they should be doing than it is for me to do what is reasonable for everybody's safety and the efficiency of the whole."
What nobody here seems to understand is that applies to people riding the left lane AND people who drive over the speed limit and weave dangerously through traffic.
I think everyone understands that. What you don't seem to understand is that the number of people weaving through traffic would be drastically reduced if everyone followed the rules of the road and drove in the appropriate lanes in the first place. Again, if someone is passing you on the right, that's on you - if there's room on the right for them to pass you from behind, then there's room on the right for you to pull over into the lane you're supposed to be in. You already admitted that you apparently screw this up a lot:

danielmclark said:
I can't tell you how many times I've been in the left lane (passing someone or otherwise) and had someone come flying up behind me doing 90-95, only to have that person zig zag around me at the first opportunity. That's not my fault
If this has happened to you so many times, that should tell you something. It doesn't happen to me, ever. Why? Because I don't drive too slowly in the left lane. I'm perfectly content to do 65 in the right or middle lane(s), but now I have to deal with people who want to go faster weaving into my lane, because you're also doing 65 in the left lane. That's your fault. You're disrupting the normal flow of traffic and creating a dangerous situation, all because you don't seem to think the rules of the road apply to you.

Should people do 90 on the freeway? No, not really. But some people are going to anyway, either because they legitimately have an emergency or because they're selfish and reckless and whatever else you want to call them. You can't control that. What you can control is how you drive, and if you're getting passed on the right all the time, you're driving improperly. :shrug:

And just so this isn't all about what you're doing wrong, here's a PSA to anyone who does feel entitled to do 85 on the freeway or whatever:

* Do the math and see how much time it's saving you (I suspect a lot of people intuitively overestimate this). Three days a week I have a longer commute and there's a stretch that's about 26 miles of freeway. If I do 85 the whole way instead of 65, it saves 5 minutes. 5 minutes! It's not worth putting yourself and others at increased risk and getting road rage, etc. all to save a few minutes.

* When you do come up on your local daniel driving too slowly in the left lane, don't tail him for ten miles trying to teach him a lesson. He's either (1) not paying attention, (2) doesn't have any idea he's not supposed to be in the left lane, or (3) sees you and knows he should move over but doesn't because he wants to enforce his own version of road rules on everyone else. Whatever the case is, you're just creating more risk and frustration for yourself and others. If they don't move over to let you pass, pass safely on the right when you get the opportunity. Should you have to pass on the right? No, not if the dummy in front of you knew what he was doing, but just like I said to daniel, people do stupid things on the road that you can't control. Don't double down on the stupid.

 
Late to this thread but left lane slow driver is only slightly more annoying than guy who drives 5 feet of your bumper in heavy traffic when there is no where to go driver.

Most people are decent drivers. There are a few awful drivers. Unfortunately it only takes a few bad drivers to make things really bad.

 
belljr said:
Buckfast 1 said:
ClownCausedChaos2 said:
The left lane is for passing. There is no consistent speed fpr that lane, because it should not be driven in consistently.
Let's say that it is a two-lane interstate. Do you honestly believe that the rules of the road dictate that the two-lane interstate should be essentially be reduced to a one-lane interstate, except when passing? That just makes no sense to me and seems counterproductive to encouraging smooth traffic flow.
yes, if done properly will increase traffic flow
You know what would increase traffic flow? If people started moving lanes/merging the second they see a sign informing them of an upcoming merge, closed lane, etc.

Boom. I just reduced traffic jams in the United States by at least 70%.

 
I think everyone understands that. What you don't seem to understand is that the number of people weaving through traffic would be drastically reduced if everyone followed the rules of the road and drove in the appropriate lanes in the first place. Again, if someone is passing you on the right, that's on you - if there's room on the right for them to pass you from behind, then there's room on the right for you to pull over into the lane you're supposed to be in.
It's their choice to weave through traffic rather than follow the speed limit. You can talk your way around it nine ways til Sunday, but at the end of the day you're simply blaming certain drivers for the choices that other drivers make. They choose to speed. They choose to weave through traffic. You can say all that is because of someone else, but for all your talk of personal responsibility, you can't have it both ways.

In other words, you know what else would "drastically reduce the number of people weaving through traffic"? IF THE ####### PEOPLE WEAVING THROUGH TRAFFIC DECIDED NOT TO DO THAT.

 
belljr said:
Buckfast 1 said:
ClownCausedChaos2 said:
The left lane is for passing. There is no consistent speed fpr that lane, because it should not be driven in consistently.
Let's say that it is a two-lane interstate. Do you honestly believe that the rules of the road dictate that the two-lane interstate should be essentially be reduced to a one-lane interstate, except when passing? That just makes no sense to me and seems counterproductive to encouraging smooth traffic flow.
yes, if done properly will increase traffic flow
You know what would increase traffic flow? If people started moving lanes/merging the second they see a sign informing them of an upcoming merge, closed lane, etc.

Boom. I just reduced traffic jams in the United States by at least 70%.
Wrong. Like insisting that everyone always stay out of the left lane no matter what, this is an incorrect assumption about what works.

http://lifehacker.com/the-right-way-to-merge-lanes-to-avoid-traffic-jams-and-1501148503

 
belljr said:
Buckfast 1 said:
ClownCausedChaos2 said:
The left lane is for passing. There is no consistent speed fpr that lane, because it should not be driven in consistently.
Let's say that it is a two-lane interstate. Do you honestly believe that the rules of the road dictate that the two-lane interstate should be essentially be reduced to a one-lane interstate, except when passing? That just makes no sense to me and seems counterproductive to encouraging smooth traffic flow.
yes, if done properly will increase traffic flow
You know what would increase traffic flow? If people started moving lanes/merging the second they see a sign informing them of an upcoming merge, closed lane, etc.

Boom. I just reduced traffic jams in the United States by at least 70%.
Wrong. Like insisting that everyone always stay out of the left lane no matter what, this is an incorrect assumption about what works.

http://lifehacker.com/the-right-way-to-merge-lanes-to-avoid-traffic-jams-and-1501148503
About time you got something right in here.

 
belljr said:
Buckfast 1 said:
ClownCausedChaos2 said:
The left lane is for passing. There is no consistent speed fpr that lane, because it should not be driven in consistently.
Let's say that it is a two-lane interstate. Do you honestly believe that the rules of the road dictate that the two-lane interstate should be essentially be reduced to a one-lane interstate, except when passing? That just makes no sense to me and seems counterproductive to encouraging smooth traffic flow.
yes, if done properly will increase traffic flow
You know what would increase traffic flow? If people started moving lanes/merging the second they see a sign informing them of an upcoming merge, closed lane, etc.

Boom. I just reduced traffic jams in the United States by at least 70%.
Wrong. Like insisting that everyone always stay out of the left lane no matter what, this is an incorrect assumption about what works.

http://lifehacker.com/the-right-way-to-merge-lanes-to-avoid-traffic-jams-and-1501148503
This is exactly what I'm proposing, specific to highways, not city traffic. If you're on the interstate going 55 and see a sign that the lane ends in one mile, start looking to get over. That's plenty of time to merge, zipper-style, without anoyone having to slow down. Then everyone continues through the reduced lanes at same speed as before.

 
Billy Bats said:
Ministry of Pain said:
Just Win Baby said:
The highway signs I see in Virginia and North Carolina say "Slower Traffic Keep Right".

They don't say "Slower Traffic Keep Right Unless You Are Driving the Speed Limit" or "Slower Traffic Keep Right Unless You Are Driving 10 MPH Over the Speed Limit" or any similar derivative. By definition, if you are in the left lane and another vehicle moving faster comes up behind you, you are "Slower Traffic".

They don't say "Faster Traffic Keep Left" either, so those who are forced to pass on the right are not the violators.

Unless traffic is congested (e.g., at commute times), there is no excuse for going slow enough in the left lane as to force others who need/want to go faster to pass on the right.
Agree 100% JWB, as soon as someone is behind you then you are slower traffic. I used to let it bother me but now I just pull over for a second and let them pass, many times when I get back into the left lane I am now directly behind them and suddenly they aren't moving nearly as fast and occasionally they hop out of the left lane suddenly.
Why are you getting right back into the left lane after they pass you?
Why does it matter? I do it because traffic in the lane I just moved into isn't going as fast as I was going in the fast lane. If I'm going 76, and have to move out of the way of a car doing 80+, I'm gonna get right back into the fast lane. 9 times out of 10 the traffic in the other lanes are doing less than 75.I don't get why so many people have a problem with this.

 
belljr said:
Buckfast 1 said:
ClownCausedChaos2 said:
The left lane is for passing. There is no consistent speed fpr that lane, because it should not be driven in consistently.
Let's say that it is a two-lane interstate. Do you honestly believe that the rules of the road dictate that the two-lane interstate should be essentially be reduced to a one-lane interstate, except when passing? That just makes no sense to me and seems counterproductive to encouraging smooth traffic flow.
yes, if done properly will increase traffic flow
You know what would increase traffic flow? If people started moving lanes/merging the second they see a sign informing them of an upcoming merge, closed lane, etc.

Boom. I just reduced traffic jams in the United States by at least 70%.
Wrong. Like insisting that everyone always stay out of the left lane no matter what, this is an incorrect assumption about what works.

http://lifehacker.com/the-right-way-to-merge-lanes-to-avoid-traffic-jams-and-1501148503
This is exactly what I'm proposing, specific to highways, not city traffic. If you're on the interstate going 55 and see a sign that the lane ends in one mile, start looking to get over. That's plenty of time to merge, zipper-style, without anoyone having to slow down. Then everyone continues through the reduced lanes at same speed as before.
Ah, gotcha. Good clarification, thanks.

 
Late to this thread but left lane slow driver is only slightly more annoying than guy who drives 5 feet of your bumper in heavy traffic when there is no where to go driver.

Most people are decent drivers. There are a few awful drivers. Unfortunately it only takes a few bad drivers to make things really bad.
Yeah. I've been in rush hour traffic where we're all doing 35 on the highway only to have the guy behind me flash his lights at me. Not sure what these idiots are thinking.

 
Billy Bats said:
Ministry of Pain said:
Just Win Baby said:
The highway signs I see in Virginia and North Carolina say "Slower Traffic Keep Right".

They don't say "Slower Traffic Keep Right Unless You Are Driving the Speed Limit" or "Slower Traffic Keep Right Unless You Are Driving 10 MPH Over the Speed Limit" or any similar derivative. By definition, if you are in the left lane and another vehicle moving faster comes up behind you, you are "Slower Traffic".

They don't say "Faster Traffic Keep Left" either, so those who are forced to pass on the right are not the violators.

Unless traffic is congested (e.g., at commute times), there is no excuse for going slow enough in the left lane as to force others who need/want to go faster to pass on the right.
Agree 100% JWB, as soon as someone is behind you then you are slower traffic. I used to let it bother me but now I just pull over for a second and let them pass, many times when I get back into the left lane I am now directly behind them and suddenly they aren't moving nearly as fast and occasionally they hop out of the left lane suddenly.
Why are you getting right back into the left lane after they pass you?
Why does it matter? I do it because traffic in the lane I just moved into isn't going as fast as I was going in the fast lane. If I'm going 76, and have to move out of the way of a car doing 80+, I'm gonna get right back into the fast lane. 9 times out of 10 the traffic in the other lanes are doing less than 75.I don't get why so many people have a problem with this.
Well yeah, if you're going to be passing someone then go for it. I have a hard time with the left laners that move over, then jump right back into the left lane with no one at all in the right lane in front of them. Those are the people I have a problem with, they're the ones creating the slow downs and backups.

 
Billy Bats said:
Ministry of Pain said:
Just Win Baby said:
The highway signs I see in Virginia and North Carolina say "Slower Traffic Keep Right".

They don't say "Slower Traffic Keep Right Unless You Are Driving the Speed Limit" or "Slower Traffic Keep Right Unless You Are Driving 10 MPH Over the Speed Limit" or any similar derivative. By definition, if you are in the left lane and another vehicle moving faster comes up behind you, you are "Slower Traffic".

They don't say "Faster Traffic Keep Left" either, so those who are forced to pass on the right are not the violators.

Unless traffic is congested (e.g., at commute times), there is no excuse for going slow enough in the left lane as to force others who need/want to go faster to pass on the right.
Agree 100% JWB, as soon as someone is behind you then you are slower traffic. I used to let it bother me but now I just pull over for a second and let them pass, many times when I get back into the left lane I am now directly behind them and suddenly they aren't moving nearly as fast and occasionally they hop out of the left lane suddenly.
Why are you getting right back into the left lane after they pass you?
Why does it matter? I do it because traffic in the lane I just moved into isn't going as fast as I was going in the fast lane. If I'm going 76, and have to move out of the way of a car doing 80+, I'm gonna get right back into the fast lane. 9 times out of 10 the traffic in the other lanes are doing less than 75.I don't get why so many people have a problem with this.
Well yeah, if you're going to be passing someone then go for it. I have a hard time with the left laners that move over, then jump right back into the left lane with no one at all in the right lane in front of them. Those are the people I have a problem with, they're the ones creating the slow downs and backups.
Gotcha. Yeah if there's no traffic in the lane I just moved into, I stay there until I come up on slower traffic. Then its back into the fast lane to pass. Now if I'm doing 80, I'll stay in the fast lane and move over for cars going faster than me, then I get right back in it because there's no sense in staying in the non fast lane @ 80 mph.
 
TheIronSheik said:
I support the death penalty for people who drive in the left lane without passing. And use a ####### blinker when changing lanes.
My favorite is the female "OMG I looked up from my cell phone and 4 cars are passing me in the right lane, I better speed up to 90mph!!!!"

...but then slows down to 62 when nobody can pass her. :rant: :rant: :rant:

 
I treat the left lane as the fast lane instead of the passing lane, as do most people in CA. If you are in there, you'd better be going 10mph over the limit and if someone wants to go faster than you want to go, you GTFO of the way. I'd say only half of people actually get out of the way. The other half think "I'm going 80mph, it's fast enough". That's a problem.

Using it only for passing isn't realistic because there's so much traffic we need all the lanes. You occupy it as long as you can.
Exactly. It's more like the second left lane is the GTFO lane. It would be impractical and unsafe to use the left lane as a passing exclusive lane given that you're pretty much passing someone all the time. And if not, you will be soon. The amount of lane changes at high speeds (even at 65 mph) you would need to execute to use the left lane exclusively for passing would be ridiculous.

Being said, if there's a big stretch of open real estate on my right, I still move over even if no one is behind me so I don't have to worry about the very small percentage of the population that drives faster than I do.

Also, for the road rage stuff, I actually sold my car and have gone via public transportation for my communte. Not because of money (costs me slightly more) or time (adds time) or a sense for the environment (not that guy). But because I drive 880N home to get to SF and I was coming home so agitated that it took half an hour to calm down. By the time I hit the third bus going 45 in the fast lane on my way home, I started to lose it and then dealing with the mayhem that is city streets just enraged me even more (SF is notorious for hating commuters and doing everything it can to make drivers lives more miserable, all the while calling "traffic calming"). So now, I take the ferry to downtown while drinking a beer and brave the mass transit.
Motorcycle is the only way in SF. But watch out for the usual suspects.

 
I think everyone understands that. What you don't seem to understand is that the number of people weaving through traffic would be drastically reduced if everyone followed the rules of the road and drove in the appropriate lanes in the first place. Again, if someone is passing you on the right, that's on you - if there's room on the right for them to pass you from behind, then there's room on the right for you to pull over into the lane you're supposed to be in.
It's their choice to weave through traffic rather than follow the speed limit.
And it's your choice to drive in the left lane rather than follow the rules of the road. :shrug:

You can talk your way around it nine ways til Sunday, but at the end of the day you're simply blaming certain drivers for the choices that other drivers make. They choose to speed. They choose to weave through traffic. You can say all that is because of someone else, but for all your talk of personal responsibility, you can't have it both ways.
I'm not trying to have it both ways. On the contrary, you're trying to blame the speeders for the problem you're creating by driving in the left lane. That other drivers choose to speed and weave through traffic doesn't absolve you of your responsibility, it just highlights the reasons that you're supposed to stay out of the left lane in the first place.

As someone pointed out above, the signs on the highway (at least around here and in many other places I've driven) don't say "fast traffic stay left," they say "slower traffic keep right." It's your responsibility to stay out of the left lane.

In other words, you know what else would "drastically reduce the number of people weaving through traffic"? IF THE ####### PEOPLE WEAVING THROUGH TRAFFIC DECIDED NOT TO DO THAT.
If you get this riled up just talking about driving, I'd hate to see you behind the wheel of a car.

 
I think everyone understands that. What you don't seem to understand is that the number of people weaving through traffic would be drastically reduced if everyone followed the rules of the road and drove in the appropriate lanes in the first place. Again, if someone is passing you on the right, that's on you - if there's room on the right for them to pass you from behind, then there's room on the right for you to pull over into the lane you're supposed to be in.
It's their choice to weave through traffic rather than follow the speed limit.
And it's your choice to drive in the left lane rather than follow the rules of the road. :shrug:

You can talk your way around it nine ways til Sunday, but at the end of the day you're simply blaming certain drivers for the choices that other drivers make. They choose to speed. They choose to weave through traffic. You can say all that is because of someone else, but for all your talk of personal responsibility, you can't have it both ways.
I'm not trying to have it both ways. On the contrary, you're trying to blame the speeders for the problem you're creating by driving in the left lane. That other drivers choose to speed and weave through traffic doesn't absolve you of your responsibility, it just highlights the reasons that you're supposed to stay out of the left lane in the first place.

As someone pointed out above, the signs on the highway (at least around here and in many other places I've driven) don't say "fast traffic stay left," they say "slower traffic keep right." It's your responsibility to stay out of the left lane.

In other words, you know what else would "drastically reduce the number of people weaving through traffic"? IF THE ####### PEOPLE WEAVING THROUGH TRAFFIC DECIDED NOT TO DO THAT.
If you get this riled up just talking about driving, I'd hate to see you behind the wheel of a car.
I'm not going to try to edit all the nested quotes, I have not the skill, so bear with me ;)

1. You said it's "my choice not to follow the rules of the road" - I do follow the rules of the road. Over the past 3 pages of this conversation, I think I've made that pretty clear. I'm not above driving the left lane under certain situations - heavy traffic - but I use the left primarily to pass. If I drive the left for any length of time, it's because I'm continuously passing slower traffic. You keep trying to paint me as this ####### who intentionally blocks everyone by driving the left lane, and I keep trying to tell you - I don't.

2. You are trying to have it both ways. You are absolutely justifying one illegal behavior while giving a pass to another, and you refuse to simply say "people who speed and weave are wrong to do that, even if someone is driving illegally in the left lane". You seem to think that one illegal behavior - the left lane drivers - justify the illegal behavior of the speeders and weavers because, and I quote, "it just highlights the reason you're supposed to stay out of the left lane in the first place".

3. "Slower traffic keep right" does not trump the sign that says "Speed Limit 65". Again, you can try to justify the speeders, but if you want to absolve the speeders of their responsibility to obey one sign, you should be just as willing to absolve the left lane drivers of their responsibility to obey the other sign.

4. I admit, I get a chuckle whenever someone thinks they know anyone's mood according to the use of caps or italics or whatever. You seem to think I'm raging at my keyboard, frothing at the mouth over this. I assure you, I'm not. If I use all caps, it's because I'm trying to EMPHASIZE SOMETHING. I know, it's the internet equivalent of screaming - I've been online for 22 years, I know what it means. But I also know that anyone with half a brain should understand that it's not literal screaming. I use formatting to make a point, not because I'm about to have a stroke over how worked up I am about this. You're an anonymous person on a message board. You think any of this matters? Please. Give me a little credit. Or don't. It doesn't matter to me either way.

 
ClownCausedChaos2 said:
The left lane is for passing. There is no consistent speed fpr that lane, because it should not be driven in consistently.
This is the correct answer of all answers and should end here. Those of you who leave it there need to be crushed under a ####### tank and left by the road side for all to see.

 

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