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Question For People Not Planning To Vote For Trump - 4 More Years? (1 Viewer)
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To me this boils down to will you sell your personal ethics for money. Look I respect the office of the President, however I am not sure as a country we can handle 4 more years of the same crap. Maybe if we had a Dem Senate with House.
But in this simple question of booming economy/C19 verse the lack of ethics/compassion/lies/personal enrichment/borderline dictator.
Its a close call.. but I do value human life so would lean yes.. however its not a decision that I would be happy with.
But in this simple question of booming economy/C19 verse the lack of ethics/compassion/lies/personal enrichment/borderline dictator.
Its a close call.. but I do value human life so would lean yes.. however its not a decision that I would be happy with.
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
People can’t even vote in a poll without arguing about it. Geez
A hypothetical clearly outlines what is and what isn't hypothetical, all other variables are assumed to remain the same. No where did Joe say, "and Trump nukes Russia!". The nuke codes can be assumed as relevant as they were the first 4 years. You can assume WW3 and US dictatorship are the same probably as they were the last 50 years. Nearly zero.
AAABatteries
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I completely get the replies saying this is a ridiculous hypothetical but I tried to give Joe's poll a chance and voted "Absolutely Yes" - my reasoning is fairly simple. I expect the Fall to be worse and we will eventually end up with 200-250k people die. Trump is horrible........I'm probably naive but I see the Covid deaths and economic disaster as worse than 4 more years.
And better argument for voting NO would be that you don't think the Covid or Economy is that big of deal. I'm optimistic we're on the downslope and medical breakthroughs are around the corner. I know the unemployment is horrible, but the market is stable and a lot of people are about to get back to work. (RIP the restaurant owners and the like that were unnecessary casualties in this whole thing). Surprised to see no one taking this route.
HellToupee
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Oh come on! The trade off of four years of Trump doesn't mean we are afraid he will just golf and send out tweets but are measuring whether his destruction of this country and what it stands for and its ability to function continues linearly or accelerates the downward spiral. The non zero probability that Trump nukes someone in the midst of hissy fit is of course part of the equation.
For someone who proposes to want people to work together across the aisle and find more common ground to start a thread like this is insanity.This question is the type of post that leads to a degradation of the PSF.
Congrats?
Congratulations Summer Wheat, you have the most intelligent post in this thread. Although the bar was set incredibly low.
Correct. 4 more years of Trump in the hypothetical means exactly that. He'd still have the nuclear codes in this question.
Mr Anonymous
Footballguy
Lol at the hand wringing over a hypothetical on a message board. The inability to provide the only logical answer to something that can't even happen is just too telling. I thought Dems were truly most concerned first and foremost about saving lives? A hypothetical that saves many lives instantly on the health side and saves many more lives going forward on the socioeconomic side is a no-brainer if saving lives is the priority. Apparently though, that isn't the top priority going by the replies. You know, you all could've just lied to keep up that illusion. No one is watching this thread with the power to turn this hypothetical into reality.
I missed this yesterday but it was a good exercise Joe, so thank you.
I missed this yesterday but it was a good exercise Joe, so thank you.
Challenge Everything
Footballguy
And, now, Trump is not going to release economic numbers. Talk about transparency... or other crap that goes down in an election year. He has been a disgrace to our country in just about every way imaginable. There is no defense of him or his policies. None.
Van Dyman
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I went with absolutely no. Other problems will always arise and, imo, Trump seems more likely to make them worse instead of better. I would rather trust humanity's ability to deal with the current problem (admittedly a big one) over Trump's ability to handle new problems that arise during the next Presidential term.
The scenario that Democrats are Dreading.....(Politico 05/26/2020)
"In early April, Jason Furman, a top economist in the Obama administration and now a professor at Harvard, was speaking via Zoom to a large bipartisan group of top officials from both parties. The economy had just been shut down, unemployment was spiking and some policymakers were predicting an era worse than the Great Depression. The economic carnage seemed likely to doom President Donald Trump’s chances at reelection.
“We are about to see the best economic data we’ve seen in the history of this country,” he said.
The former Cabinet secretaries and Federal Reserve chairs in the Zoom boxes were confused, though some of the Republicans may have been newly relieved and some of the Democrats suddenly concerned.
“Everyone looked puzzled and thought I had misspoken,” Furman said in an interview. Instead of forecasting a prolonged Depression-level economic catastrophe, Furman laid out a detailed case for why the months preceding the November election could offer Trump the chance to brag — truthfully — about the most explosive monthly employment numbers and gross domestic product growth ever.
Since the Zoom call, Furman has been making the same case to anyone who will listen, especially the close-knit network of Democratic wonks who have traversed the Clinton and Obama administrations together, including top members of the Biden campaign.
Furman’s counter intuitive pitch has caused some Democrats, especially Obama alumni, around Washington to panic. “This is my big worry,” said a former Obama White House official who is still close to the former president. Asked about the level of concern among top party officials, he said, “It’s high — high, high, high, high.
.... Trump could be poised to benefit from the dramatic numbers produced during the partial rebound phase that is likely to coincide with the four months before November.
That realization has many Democrats spooked."
...seriously...the Democrats are "spooked" by the idea that things may get better ?
THAT's your Democrat Party!
"In early April, Jason Furman, a top economist in the Obama administration and now a professor at Harvard, was speaking via Zoom to a large bipartisan group of top officials from both parties. The economy had just been shut down, unemployment was spiking and some policymakers were predicting an era worse than the Great Depression. The economic carnage seemed likely to doom President Donald Trump’s chances at reelection.
“We are about to see the best economic data we’ve seen in the history of this country,” he said.
The former Cabinet secretaries and Federal Reserve chairs in the Zoom boxes were confused, though some of the Republicans may have been newly relieved and some of the Democrats suddenly concerned.
“Everyone looked puzzled and thought I had misspoken,” Furman said in an interview. Instead of forecasting a prolonged Depression-level economic catastrophe, Furman laid out a detailed case for why the months preceding the November election could offer Trump the chance to brag — truthfully — about the most explosive monthly employment numbers and gross domestic product growth ever.
Since the Zoom call, Furman has been making the same case to anyone who will listen, especially the close-knit network of Democratic wonks who have traversed the Clinton and Obama administrations together, including top members of the Biden campaign.
Furman’s counter intuitive pitch has caused some Democrats, especially Obama alumni, around Washington to panic. “This is my big worry,” said a former Obama White House official who is still close to the former president. Asked about the level of concern among top party officials, he said, “It’s high — high, high, high, high.
.... Trump could be poised to benefit from the dramatic numbers produced during the partial rebound phase that is likely to coincide with the four months before November.
That realization has many Democrats spooked."
...seriously...the Democrats are "spooked" by the idea that things may get better ?
THAT's your Democrat Party!
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sho nuff
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There is already a thread and poll about this article...if you read that thread and even that discussion...the worry is not about things getting better...its the outcome of Trump remaining in power. The worry is Trump in power...not wishing bad things happen for others.
...and the outcome of things getting better could keep President Trump in office.....which would be bad.
Am I missing something?
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sho nuff
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dgreen
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I think the idea is that they are spooked that things getting better will be short-lived and the longer-term effects will be that things get worse. It's similar to the idea of tanking in sports. The view is probably analogous to a team going through short-term tough times in order to improve their ability for long-term success.
I will
Sorry...I'm not one of those who live here....I simply visit once in awhile....like a carnival sideshow.
Zow
Footballguy
Went with barely yes.* Without giving it too much thought, I'd assume the long-term effects of Trump remaining as president will be outweighed by the benefits of the returned economy and no coronavirus. But, I can't say that i don't have reservations. I do worry that the lasting impact of a president of Trump's demeanor may set back political discourse within the country and hurt our representation on the global scale. It's hard to project just how damaging those impacts will be. And, frankly, I don't think it's irrational to contemplate the idea that it could be risky to have this guy in charge of the most powerful military and weaponry on the planet for four more years.
*I'm assuming the flip side of the hypothetical is that if I say no and another president is elected that the confines of the hypo require that the virus and the bad economy don't go away for four years.
*I'm assuming the flip side of the hypothetical is that if I say no and another president is elected that the confines of the hypo require that the virus and the bad economy don't go away for four years.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Based on this thread this is the answer for the majority in this forum: First I need to know if he supports Trump. If so, i''ll pass and pick a guy I know has no chance at even 500 yards and 3 TDs and hates Trump because I can't have a guy succeeding on my team if he supports Trump.
Yup, he's horrible in many ways and shouldn't be the man kids look up to as president.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I can imagine. I don’t even want to read the responses because it’s just such a fantasy land question. It can’t do anything but cause people to argue about something that is complete fantasy. We have plenty of real things to argue and disagree about.
Challenge Everything
Footballguy
I'd like to say nobody is always wrong but Trump is batting damn near 1.000 overall. His OBP is off the charts though. MVP numbers.
Challenge Everything
Footballguy
Trump in 2022, if he's President, "Obama left the shelves bare. There was no stockpile."
-OZ-
Footballguy
This is such an ethical and loaded moral question.
Am I too assume Trump doesn't empower white supremacists in his final four years, or start a war, or drive more people into poverty, or have more work place accidents, and what's the human count of doing nothing on climate change (even actively promoting against it).
Plus am i too assume that someone else, say Mitt Romney, isn't capable of these things?
I'm not sure why anyone would answer this
Am I too assume Trump doesn't empower white supremacists in his final four years, or start a war, or drive more people into poverty, or have more work place accidents, and what's the human count of doing nothing on climate change (even actively promoting against it).
Plus am i too assume that someone else, say Mitt Romney, isn't capable of these things?
I'm not sure why anyone would answer this
I'm guessing in this scenario, OBP stands for off-base percentage, since he's apparently allergic to telling the truth.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Before COVID when the economy was good, there was no way I was going to vote for Trump. Why would that change after seeing how horrible he’s managed both COVID and now with the protests and riots?
My answer might be different if 4 more years of Trump was the ONLY way to get past COVID and get the economy back on track.
But there’s bigger problems with Trump than just the economy and COVID. Maybe COVID and the economy are fixed but what’s the next Molotov cocktail that gets thrown into the eternal powder keg that is Donald Trump? Will it be a widespread environmental crisis due to all the deregulation? Or an expansion of his abuses of power? No thanks, I’ll roll with Biden or literally anyone else even if it means a slower economic recovery.
My answer might be different if 4 more years of Trump was the ONLY way to get past COVID and get the economy back on track.
But there’s bigger problems with Trump than just the economy and COVID. Maybe COVID and the economy are fixed but what’s the next Molotov cocktail that gets thrown into the eternal powder keg that is Donald Trump? Will it be a widespread environmental crisis due to all the deregulation? Or an expansion of his abuses of power? No thanks, I’ll roll with Biden or literally anyone else even if it means a slower economic recovery.
Honestly, even if Trump was the only way to fix everything, I wouldn't vote for him. I won't go into a list of everything he's done wrong, but if he gets 4 more years, it'll be even worse than what we've seen, and I could not look my children in their eyes and be able to explain why I voted for Trump, if I had.
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