You should probably slow down so you can read what is actually written.This is so awesome.. I literally cannot post fast enough to keep up with the gang bang squad.
Im trying.
So the hill you want to die on is “we don’t know a white nationalist who makes racist statements and is a former Grand Wizard of the KKK and leader of the American Nazi Party is a racist”?So we know all famous people? Like more than their names?
Maybe... but I have you reinforcing my premise, so I feel like I have a good base to work from.You should probably slow down so you can read what is actually written.
I don't know the guy.What a train wreck.
Is david duke a racist?
I don’t know when you became terrible, but I’m putting you on ignore. Have a good one.This is so awesome.. I literally cannot post fast enough to keep up with the gang bang squad.
Im trying.
No, certainly not.So the hill you want to die on is “we don’t know a white nationalist who makes racist statements and is a former Grand Wizard of the KKK and leader of the American Nazi Party is a racist”?
Likewise my friend, only I dont ignore folks.I don’t know when you became terrible, but I’m putting you on ignore. Have a good one.
No, you had put it so perfectly in your early efforts. You are backtracking now.His whole point is that there is not enough evidence to claim trump is a racist. I get it. And disagree.
This thread though...
Who started a dialogue with that though?My point is starting with the most horrible accusations you can think of is not a place to start dialogue.
Further, this entire forum is a demonstration of the lack of interest people on the left have in dialogue anymore. Seek and destroy is the MO today.
Tomorrow I expect the same from the right. The escalation of this trend is scary.
I applaud your effort here, but the feeding frenzy is just too strong to deny for someMy point is starting with the most horrible accusations you can think of is not a place to start dialogue.
Further, this entire forum is a demonstration of the lack of interest people on the left have in dialogue anymore. Seek and destroy is the MO today.
Tomorrow I expect the same from the right. The escalation of this trend is scary.
I live your posting where you think you are disagreeing but agree entirely.Who started a dialogue with that though?
Dialogue is wanted...actual dialogue...but the start of this thread wasn't here for actual dialogue. So complaining the left doesn't want that is not a logical conclusion. Especially looking at the last few days of deflect and insult and talk about posters or anything other than the points being made.
No. I edited the post you quoted after you took the position you don’t know if David Duke is a racist.No, you had put it so perfectly in your early efforts. You are backtracking now.
I like yiurs when you complain of condescension and then do it yourself while completely fabricating some sort of agreement.I live your posting where you think you are disagreeing but agree entirely.
Not sure if schtick or serious.. but
I wasn't complaining, again.. context is a skill I find lacking these days.I like yiurs when you complain of condescension and then do it yourself while completely fabricating some sort of agreement.
That would be their nationality, not race.Let's dialogue:
I feel that when the anyone says that American-born congresspeople should go back to their own countries, that's racist. It's a racist statement because these people are as American as you or me, and so I have to assume the statement means country of family origin, AKA race.
Now you go.
And when the person's nationality is American?That would be their nationality, not race.
A distinction without a difference.That would be their nationality, not race.
What if the person only uses that technique against people of races different from his own? Despite similar criticisms from people of his own race?That would be their nationality, not race.
Ummm nationality and race are two different things.A distinction without a difference.
That actually depends. Nationality can mean ethnic group membership.Ummm nationality and race are two different things.
Yes, but a xenophobic statement can also be racist.I think there's a definite difference.
A race of people can be from multiple countries.
Obvious.
But the original statement didn't specify which country they should go back to. Should AOC go to the Bronx, Puerto Rico, or Spain? Or, are we going with the generic "not America"? It seems to me that the latter is what was intended.I think there's a definite difference.
A race of people can be from multiple countries.
Obvious.
Not arguing any of that.But the original statement didn't specify which country they should go back to. Should AOC go to the Bronx, Puerto Rico, or Spain?
I assume you’d agree that telling black people to go “back to Africa” could be a racist statement.Not arguing any of that.
Just the term used.
Easier to follow if the right one's used.
What if you told Ernie Els to go "back to Africa"? Racist?I assume you’d agree that telling black people to go “back to Africa” could be a racist statement.
We can't see what's in his heart!What a train wreck.
Is david duke a racist?
What if you didn’t tell Ernie Els to go “back to Africa” but you did tell Tiger Woods to go “back to Africa”?What if you told Ernie Els to go "back to Africa"? Racist?
I'll put you down for a "No comment" to my questionWhat if you didn’t tell Ernie Els to go “back to Africa” but you did tell Tiger Woods to go “back to Africa”?
You can put me down for a “completely irrelevant because Ernie Els isn’t an American citizen.”I'll put you down for a "No comment" to my question
You are getting warmer. Try not including random in laws next time. It doesn't help your point at all. Go back to her country if she doesn't like it here and thinks socialist and anti-semitism is better than a capitalistic patriotic country like the USA.I understand this: Trump wanted to point out that Omar - like his wife, MIL & his communist FIL - was not born in this country, and that she should go back to where she came from, and so naturally he lumped in three naturally born lifelong Americans, including one born just a couple miles from his own birth place, because they all shared a far left ideology. Am I saying anything incorrect here?
Hope you didn't hurt back moving that goal post from "black people" to "American citizen"You can put me down for a “completely irrelevant because Ernie Els isn’t an American citizen.”
I'v heard a comp like this a couple times. Els was not born in the US, he is not a lifelong American. Am I right on that?What if you told Ernie Els to go "back to Africa"? Racist?
The entire discussion is about American citizens being told to go back to their countries.Hope you didn't hurt back moving that goal post from "black people" to "American citizen"
Exactly.I'v heard a comp like this a couple times. Els was not born in the US, he is not a lifelong American. Am I right on that?
Just read it neutrally like this: 'Hey Sean McVay, go back to your own country why don'tchya!'
Sounds ridiculous, doesn't it.
Nah, I'm good. I asked a simple question and you're doing your normal mental gymnastics to avoid answering it. Carry on.The entire discussion is about American citizens being told to go back to their countries.
But sure, we can discuss that. Show me where anyone told Ernie Els to go back to Africa.
Is this thing on? 4 people here, 3 born in America, one has been here almost her whole life, far longer than his own wife and in-laws.You are getting warmer. Try not including random in laws next time. It doesn't help your point at all. Go back to her country if she doesn't like it here and thinks socialist and anti-semitism is better than a capitalistic patriotic country like the USA.
Not if the black person was constantly #####ing about living in the USA and thought socialism was the answer and he was further told to fix Africa and show us how great you can do.I assume you’d agree that telling black people to go “back to Africa” could be a racist statement.
Nope. They just aren't. Sorry.Good Lord, the hills people die on. Defending the indefensible, and for what? Is it that hard to admit that a racist statement is racist? Is it that much of a stretch to say someone who had unapologetically been making publicly racist statements for decades is a racist?
"You don't know him personally". "He meant nationality instead of race". Give me a break. You guys know, deep down, that these statements were racist...you have to. You just do.
The question doesn’t make any sense. But no, I would imagine that if a white person was telling Ernie Els to go back to Africa it wouldn’t be for racist reasons. If a black person in South Africa told him to go back to Europe it may well be.Nah, I'm good. I asked a simple question and you're doing your normal mental gymnastics to avoid answering it. Carry on.
I guess the other irony for me is that Trump's own grandparents did exactly this. His grandmother preferred Kaiserite Germany, persuaded Friedrich Trump to move back to Germany where she preferred to be - with its antisemitism and martialism as it existed then - but they were kicked out because Herr Trump faced charges. A criminal at home he was forced to come back to America. That's Trump's own family you're describing. That's his history, not Pressley, not Cortez, not Omar, not Tlaib.Go back to her country if she doesn't like it here and thinks socialist and anti-semitism is better than a capitalistic patriotic country like the USA.
Trumps own grandparents called him a mother ####er and are trying to get him impeached over phony Russian conspiracy theory?I guess the other irony for me is that Trump's own grandparents did exactly this. His grandmother preferred Kaiserite Germany, persuaded Friedrich Trump to move back to Germany where she preferred to be - with its antisemitism and martialism as it existed then - but they were kicked out because Herr Trump faced charges. A criminal at home he was forced to come back to America. That's Trump's own family you're describing. That's his history, not Pressley, not Cortez, not Omar, not Tlaib.