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Raiders Fire Dennis Allen (1 Viewer)

This doesn't come as a surprise. He was on the hot seat and getting spanked like that in London was the beginning of the end for Allen with the Raiders. I wish him good luck I liked Allen, however it's time to move on at this point. The Raiders can start talking to head coaching candidates now. Jon Gruden for example.

 
Mckenzie has to go he's been awful. I think

It's more his fault the Allen's. He let Rashad Jennings go. He signed McFadden and

MJD instead. He drafted Tyler Wilson then cut him. He has missed on

X1. DJ Hayden, CB, Houston

X2. Menelik Watson, T, Flordia State

+3. Sio Moore, LB, Connecticut

X4. Tyler Wilson, QB, Arkansas

6a. Nick Kasa, TE, Colorado

+6b. Latavius Murray, RB, Central Florida

+6c. Mychal Rivera, TE, Tennesee

X6d. Stacy McGee, DT Oklahoma

+7a. Brice Butler, WR, San Diego State

X7b. David Bass, DE, Missouri Western State

2012

X3. Tony Bergstrom, T, Utah

X4. Miles Burris, LB, San Diego State

X5a. Jack Crawford, DE, Penn State

X5b. Juron Criner, WR, Arizona

X6. Christo Bilukidi, DT, Georgia State

X7. Nathan Stupar, LB, Penn State

I mean COME ON outside of Carr,Mack,Murray and Sio Moore he has missed.

Let's not forget him trying to sign Saffold a Guard to play LT but Saffold failed his physical. Could have been the worst signing of them all if he didn't fail. 55 million spent on what? Old guys like Tuck,Woodley,MJD,JamesJones,Penn,Woodson,McFadden,Simpson,Smith,Rogers,Brown and the list goes on and on of these old washed up players. Mckenzie sucks....

 
krsone21 said:
This doesn't come as a surprise. He was on the hot seat and getting spanked like that in London was the beginning of the end for Allen with the Raiders. I wish him good luck I liked Allen, however it's time to move on at this point. The Raiders can start talking to head coaching candidates now. Jon Gruden for example.
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I think Chucky is way too smart to even consider coming back, not unless he gets a 5 year fully guaranteed deal with full control.

The Raiders have been bad for a while, but at the end of the preseason, I knew this particular Raider team had a real shot at going 0-16 for one simple reason; you can't coach speed (not when you're old you can't). The Raiders went from being the 17th oldest team in the league last year to being THE oldest this year. It's one thing for a great team to age gracefully together and then one day wake up to realize after all the success they've had, they need a rebuild. It's another thing to take an already bad team and then sign everybody who is past their prime and needs to retire! What were they thinking?

The Raiders had better get a victory against San Diego after the bye (and I don't see that happening). If they don't, I only see two winnable games, the Browns and the Bills; or maybe they catch the Broncos on the last week of the season resting all their starters for the playoffs. Sad, the BEST scenario I see for the Raiders is 4-12.

 
Gruden's name seems to get floated around every time there is a coaching opening anymore. I don't think he's coming back.

 
Walking Boot said:
jurb26 said:
Gruden's name seems to get floated around every time there is a coaching opening anymore. I don't think he's coming back.
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I think he's waiting for exactly the team and opportunity he wants
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I just don't think he wants the stress that comes with coaching at this point. He's got a great gig that allows him almost unlimited access to football so he's not missing the game. The guys who seem to come back are removed from the game IIRC.
 
Gruden has a sweet gig without the HC stress.

Just my opinion, but when a guy can openly, on the air laugh at himself about being fired and crack jokes, I think he is at peace with understanding what the job is all about. Money can surely lure a person to do something they don't feel great about in their heart but I think unless somebody just Godfather's him and makes him an offer he cant refuse, he's not itching to get back into coaching. If he was, there have been many opportunities over the years.

 
They can hire anybody the want and it won't matter one bit. Not one. This organization is tainted from top to bottom with terrible decision making, mismatched and past their prime personnel and the funk of 40,000 years of decay.

They can't bring in a defensive guru because they don't have the players.

They can't bring in an offensive guru because...they don't have the players.

They can't bring in a legendary coach because the old vet team they have isn't buying that rah rah stuff and know they won't be around to bear fruit.

They can't bring in an energetic young go getter and clean house because they don't have the GM infrastructure to be smart.

Nothing short of a "Seahawk" type move where they find the right talent guy and the right coach at the same time and completely clean (SCRUB) this house down will save them short of three years.

 
The Raiders job was a five year fix when McKenzie and Allen came on board. I would say that the ownership has no right to fire them early on in that process unless their tenure has not shortened that "fix" timeframe. I mean you have to give guys a shot to correct literally decades of Al Davis mismanagement.

I think right now the Raiders are three or more years from being fixed.

 
Gruden will come back eventually, but not to the mess in Oakland. The rumor of the real reason Gruden got fired was because he lost his temper on the Glaziers for not spending money in a meeting. So, when Gruden comes back he isn't going to a team where has his hands tied behind his back.

-He will need full control. Maybe not necessarily a Coach/GM title, but likely something like Lovie with a "yes man" GM and "final say"

-I think he goes back to a large market. Dallas, NY, Oak, LA, SF, ATL, Mia, Chi

-I think it could still be 4-5 years away

-If not a large market team then it could be Cleveland

-I think he will go to a talented underperforming team in good cap shape

-doesn't necessarily need a QB there could bring in vets. He brought in a ton of players his 1st year in Tampa.

I know one of his kids is probably college age, and was a hs QB. I wouldn't be surprised if when he stats coaching he brings one of the kids around. He may be waiting until they are old enough before he comes back.

 
Ditkaless Wonders said:
The Raiders job was a five year fix when McKenzie and Allen came on board. I would say that the ownership has no right to fire them early on in that process unless their tenure has not shortened that "fix" timeframe. I mean you have to give guys a shot to correct literally decades of Al Davis mismanagement.

I think right now the Raiders are three or more years from being fixed.
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Their roster is old and terrible, just like it was before they got there. No progress.

 
Gruden, like Cowher, isn't coming back. Once u get in cushy job mode for several years that's it. These guys are content being on TV.

 
I'm not a raiders fan but thr way this organization has been run since the Super Bowl loss is a disgrace. 7 coaches in 12 years without a single winning season. There's so much dysfunction there.

It really is a shame that one of the storied franchises of the AFL and NFL has fallen this hard.

 
Insein said:
I'm not a raiders fan but thr way this organization has been run since the Super Bowl loss is a disgrace. 7 coaches in 12 years without a single winning season. There's so much dysfunction there.

It really is a shame that one of the storied franchises of the AFL and NFL has fallen this hard.
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Is it really all on the coaches though? It's a given fact that aging vets go there to get one last big pay day before they retire. They never end up working out because they probably aren't even trying and if they aren't trying them I'm sure they aren't leaders in the locker room.

ETA: I realize you said organization and not coaches. I was piggybacking off of your comment and agreeing with you.

 
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steveski said:
Insein said:
I'm not a raiders fan but thr way this organization has been run since the Super Bowl loss is a disgrace. 7 coaches in 12 years without a single winning season. There's so much dysfunction there.

It really is a shame that one of the storied franchises of the AFL and NFL has fallen this hard.
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Is it really all on the coaches though? It's a given fact that aging vets go there to get one last big pay day before they retire. They never end up working out because they probably aren't even trying and if they aren't trying them I'm sure they aren't leaders in the locker room.

ETA: I realize you said organization and not coaches. I was piggybacking off of your comment and agreeing with you.
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Yea I place more blame on the front office there. You could have Belichek in there and they'd still be awful.

 
Ditkaless Wonders said:
The Raiders job was a five year fix when McKenzie and Allen came on board. I would say that the ownership has no right to fire them early on in that process unless their tenure has not shortened that "fix" timeframe. I mean you have to give guys a shot to correct literally decades of Al Davis mismanagement.

I think right now the Raiders are three or more years from being fixed.
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Fail. Allen should have been dismissed because the team was not competitive. The only bright spot is that early reviews are the Raiders ahd a pretty good draft last year. Are all playing and making an impact. Another solid draft and the right coaching hire will get this team competitive very quickly.

 
News that sound good for Latavius Murray as MJD and MCfadden surely weren't any better than him.

Give this kid a chance, there's nothing you can loose as the Raiders season is already over.

 
Why would any reputable coach want that job? Until the GM is gone, you will have zero talent to coach since McKenzie has proven to be inept. No thanks!

As far as Gruden goes, when coaches get away from the game for a while, I think they start to develop that fire in their belly to coach again. Especially the competitive ones. I can see Gruden coming back, but not to Oakland in the current state. I'm sure Gruden will want to come back to a team with an established QB and with full control.

 
Fireinside said:
News that sound good for Latavius Murray as MJD and MCfadden surely weren't any better than him.

Give this kid a chance, there's nothing you can loose as the Raiders season is already over.
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None of the young players on that roster will have any future now. They are all in the "holdover" zone. Any coach that comes in will build his team. I don't see Murray getting any kind of a legit shot regardless of his skill (which has yet to be seen).

 
Shutout said:
Gruden has a sweet gig without the HC stress.

Just my opinion, but when a guy can openly, on the air laugh at himself about being fired and crack jokes, I think he is at peace with understanding what the job is all about. Money can surely lure a person to do something they don't feel great about in their heart but I think unless somebody just Godfather's him and makes him an offer he cant refuse, he's not itching to get back into coaching. If he was, there have been many opportunities over the years.
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Money will not be a factor, if he goes back it will just be because he misses the competition imo. I'm sure he's making close to what he's capable of making as a HC now, and he's a much bigger celebrity (opening the way to endorsements) as the face of Monday Night Football than he could be as a HC.

I doubt he ever coaches again, but I guess you never know. He could miss the adrenaline rush and the competiveness.

 
Ditkaless Wonders said:
The Raiders job was a five year fix when McKenzie and Allen came on board. I would say that the ownership has no right to fire them early on in that process unless their tenure has not shortened that "fix" timeframe. I mean you have to give guys a shot to correct literally decades of Al Davis mismanagement.

I think right now the Raiders are three or more years from being fixed.
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Of course it was going to take time to rebuild the Raiders. The problem is that the time was not making any progress.

Allen stood little chance with the talent he had to work with. That takes us to the main problem, which has been the main problem for the last 12 years. Oakland lacks players.

McKenzie has to be fired at the end of the season. His QB moves have been awful. Letting the few decent young players walk was stupid. The 2014 draft was not bad but the two before were huge misses.

Mark Davis needs to hire a real coach/GM and give him/them total control with a 5-year contract. That is assuming a great coach would even sign up for the headaches and embarressing losses. That is the only way you get a Gruden or Cowher to even consider this mess. No great coach is walking into this mess in the current situation.

It is unbelievable how many times Oakland will continue with the HC that was never any good before or hire a first time HC. Or, how many times they are going to sign old players that are washed up.

 
Where McKenzie screwed up, he should have overpaid for young emerging free agents-gotta spend the money right? I think teams have to spend 80% of the slary cap, maybe 90% IIRC.

When young free agents spurned Oakland, then he started spending wasteful money on old vets...bc he had to to get to that cap threshold.

 
Shutout said:
Gruden has a sweet gig without the HC stress.

Just my opinion, but when a guy can openly, on the air laugh at himself about being fired and crack jokes, I think he is at peace with understanding what the job is all about. Money can surely lure a person to do something they don't feel great about in their heart but I think unless somebody just Godfather's him and makes him an offer he cant refuse, he's not itching to get back into coaching. If he was, there have been many opportunities over the years.
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agreed.

He has $ has his ring and can not get a better gig boothwise.

 
One of the worst organizations around considering the amount of history involved with the franchise and it's popularity.
if not for Gruden, you would have to go back to 1994 for a winning season.

Just terrible...this coming from a Jets fan

 
domvin said:
Where McKenzie screwed up, he should have overpaid for young emerging free agents-gotta spend the money right? I think teams have to spend 80% of the slary cap, maybe 90% IIRC.

When young free agents spurned Oakland, then he started spending wasteful money on old vets...bc he had to to get to that cap threshold.
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Yep, just terrible planning. McKenzie should have been canned the day after that Saffold debacle.

 
Just a note from Rotoworld, but they mention Davis and Gruden being good friends. For most organizations, this would mean there was an agreement in place between the two parties before Allen was fired, but that may not be the case with Gruden.

Also, for Gruden, he still may not want to come back. He said in the past that he had to work around the clock to make it work (remember Spurrier with the Skins scoffing at that notion?), and he still has school-aged kids and said his wife was none-too-happy with that arrangement.

Finally, there rarely are cherry jobs for these coaches who are out of work to take over. They all want a team with a good QB, and by definition, teams with really good QBs rarely have a HC job opening. So unless Chuck Pagano gets hit by a bus tomorrow, Gruden and whoever will be stuck with a bottom tier QB or drafting one of their own. And before everyone jumps in with the "Gruden QB guru" stuff, he has done it with Gannon and Brad Johnson, both over 35 at the time he had them. He guided Bobby Hoying to 1/2 of a good season in Philly, and he battled with Chris Simms. Jury is still out on what he could do with a young guy.

 
domvin said:
Where McKenzie screwed up, he should have overpaid for young emerging free agents-gotta spend the money right? I think teams have to spend 80% of the slary cap, maybe 90% IIRC.

When young free agents spurned Oakland, then he started spending wasteful money on old vets...bc he had to to get to that cap threshold.
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Don't know who these guys were but if that happened I guess it pretty much tells you how deep this garbage pail is. When you can't offer millions of dollars to young people to come and do the job, you're in trouble because they are clearly sending the message that, despite having youth on their side, they see no improvements coming.

 
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