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Ran a 10k in June (7 Viewers)

2Young2BBald said:
:excited: Sorry to be so damn needy, but one more question. Having done one before, it seems liked you trained according to your gut, versus a specific training schedule. Could you give me an idea of what your peak training days &/or weeks were like? I am in the middle of some big weeks of training (2 "training" Olys and a big brick this past weekend) and want a reality check I suppose.

Great read on your race. I am VERY MUCH looking forward to doing one of my own in July!
Honestly you probably don't want to follow my example this time, we didn't train optimally. But, we basically did one long run or ride each weekend with some moderate distances during the week. Last time I followed this fairly well with flexibility.
 
wraith5 said:
sleeveless Orca S3 (5mm), $159sleeveless Xterra Volt (3mm / 2mm), $99hmmmmm...
I could actually use some feedback here if anyone has any - is the Orca worth the extra $$$? I have finally arrived at the conclusion that I need to pull the trigger for real on a suit. pmb - nice run! Very well done. The_man - we are really on the same wavelength lately. I took a second day off in a row, too, to rest my weary legs. I may jump on the bike for a bit tonight just for a light spin, but with 6x 1200s on the schedule for tomorrow, I may not. PSL - good job on the ride and :mellow:
 
Thanks to everyone for the kind words, and sympathy. While I'm still a bit of a wreck, I'm much better emotionally than I've been for quite some time. Time to concentrate on my kids and myself. Training has been great therapy to help me through this, and will continue to be even more important. ______________________My Update: 21 mile bike ride this morning in some pretty strong wind at 20.1.
Sorry to hear about you and your family. My neighbor is going through the same thing and his life is pretty messed up now. He does not get to keep his house and has to short sale it. Anyway, at least you have something to fall back on to take your mind off of things when you need it. Your training will be a great stress relief.
 
Not much to update on the running front. I am falling my plan and maintaining through June. My 5 mile run on Saturdays is getting easier every week as I shed more pounds, so that is good. The hard part is this week work shifted from 5 8 hour days, to 4 10 hour days. I am used to relaxing 2 or 3 hours after work before my run. Starting today I will be home about 20 minutes before I head out. Luckily it is only 3.5.

Good luck to everyone.

 
wraith5 said:
sleeveless Orca S3 (5mm), $159sleeveless Xterra Volt (3mm / 2mm), $99hmmmmm...
I could actually use some feedback here if anyone has any - is the Orca worth the extra $$$? I have finally arrived at the conclusion that I need to pull the trigger for real on a suit.
I'd say no, it's not worth the extra money. The bit of extra thickness would help for swimming in colder waters, but you won't be having to deal with that (and the extra thickness might seem more restrictive).--Regarding HR during a race: I guess it can help to monitor the heart rate during a race, but I feel it works fine to go with perceived exertion. By race time, we know which bike gears we like to ride in, and we'll know how our ride is going based on our ability to stay with those gears (and to monitor mph). For the run, our breathing patterns will tell us a lot. When my breathing breaks down from its normal rhythm (hopefully only late in a run leg or running race), I know I'm at my limit. To keep slower at the start of a tri-run (easy to go too fast, as FUBAR notes), I'll deliberately breath at a different cadence (:Braveheart: Hooold :Braveheart). FUBAR, thanks for the race report. Always enjoyable to read and to learn a little!
 
2Young2BBald said:
pigskinliquors said:
Hi all. :shrug: on the HIM info. Fubar: great race and report! My training for my first HIM starts next week (18 weeks).

Regarding the drama in my life; Go here for details.

If you don't want details; I'll summarize. My wife doesn't want to be a wife or mother anymore. She's moving out next week; while I get to keep our girls and the house.
I'm lost for words other than to say I am so sorry and hope nothing but the best for you and your daughters as this works itself out. You are a great dad and they are very, very lucky to be with you.
:lmao: Well said 2y2bb. Take care of those girls PSL!

 
pigskinliquors said:
Regarding the drama in my life; Go here for details.

If you don't want details; I'll summarize. My wife doesn't want to be a wife or mother anymore. She's moving out next week; while I get to keep our girls and the house.
####. That's a whole lot of crazy, allright. At first, I didn't know whether to say "I'm sorry" or "Congratulations," and I'm sure it's still some of both, but it sounds like the latter is probably more applicable.Regardless, as someone who's had his share of relationship issues lately (and someone who's still not entirely out of the woods), I can definitely relate. Hang in there, my friend, and pour your energy into your girls and your training!

 
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The_man - we are really on the same wavelength lately. I took a second day off in a row, too, to rest my weary legs. I may jump on the bike for a bit tonight just for a light spin, but with 6x 1200s on the schedule for tomorrow, I may not.
We've both been getting faster, so I think it's smart to listen to what our bodies are saying and back off a little. While I do feel like kind of a slacker, my legs are already feeling noticeably better - for example I can walk down stairs without putting as much body weight as possible on the bannisters. Kind of regretting pushing myself through two tough workouts in high heat and humidity this weekend, now only to sit out a perfect, cool, dry day, but that's the way it goes. I'll be back out there tomorrow, though. Just 10 days until the race -- and my 20th college reunion is this weekend, so I want to make sure I'm looking as in shape as possible!
 
I haven't posted in this thread before, but thought what the heck. I am prepping for the Little Grand Canyon Marathon on Sept 11 this year. I have run 3 fulls in the past and several halves. My marathon PR is 3:44 from the St George marathon in 2003. Been 5 years since I have done a marathon and only entered this one because my running buddy wanted to run one and this is the one he picked. Looks gorgeous so I said what the heck.

ETA my goal for this one is 3:30. I am going to be running this marathon older, but also 25 lbs lighter than any previous marathon.

Anyone wearing the Nike Vomero 4 or 5's? I tried on the 4's recently and they felt awesome (traditionally a NB 740/760 series runner). The 5 seems to have mixed reviews - some love it, some think it is a big downgrade.

 
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I haven't posted in this thread before, but thought what the heck. I am prepping for the Little Grand Canyon Marathon on Sept 11 this year. I have run 3 fulls in the past and several halves. My marathon PR is 3:44 from the St George marathon in 2003. Been 5 years since I have done a marathon and only entered this one because my running buddy wanted to run one and this is the one he picked. Looks gorgeous so I said what the heck.

ETA my goal for this one is 3:30. I am going to be running this marathon older, but also 25 lbs lighter than any previous marathon.

Anyone wearing the Nike Vomero 4 or 5's? I tried on the 4's recently and they felt awesome (traditionally a NB 740/760 series runner). The 5 seems to have mixed reviews - some love it, some think it is a big downgrade.
Older = smarter; much lighter = faster. 3:30 sounds like a good goal! Dang, looking at some pics, I'd be tempted to run a lot slower and just enjoy the scenery. As to the Nike's ...I got nuttin.
 
I haven't posted in this thread before, but thought what the heck. I am prepping for the Little Grand Canyon Marathon on Sept 11 this year. I have run 3 fulls in the past and several halves. My marathon PR is 3:44 from the St George marathon in 2003. Been 5 years since I have done a marathon and only entered this one because my running buddy wanted to run one and this is the one he picked. Looks gorgeous so I said what the heck.

ETA my goal for this one is 3:30. I am going to be running this marathon older, but also 25 lbs lighter than any previous marathon.

Anyone wearing the Nike Vomero 4 or 5's? I tried on the 4's recently and they felt awesome (traditionally a NB 740/760 series runner). The 5 seems to have mixed reviews - some love it, some think it is a big downgrade.
Older = smarter; much lighter = faster. 3:30 sounds like a good goal! Dang, looking at some pics, I'd be tempted to run a lot slower and just enjoy the scenery. As to the Nike's ...I got nuttin.
Yeah, it looks amazing. I am interested how the smooth dirt/gravel roads will play here. Should be easier on the knees, but the very slight shifts underfoot might also fatigue the legs faster in stabilizing. I am trying to work as much off-road into the training as I can.
 
I haven't posted in this thread before, but thought what the heck. I am prepping for the Little Grand Canyon Marathon on Sept 11 this year. I have run 3 fulls in the past and several halves. My marathon PR is 3:44 from the St George marathon in 2003. Been 5 years since I have done a marathon and only entered this one because my running buddy wanted to run one and this is the one he picked. Looks gorgeous so I said what the heck.

ETA my goal for this one is 3:30. I am going to be running this marathon older, but also 25 lbs lighter than any previous marathon.

Anyone wearing the Nike Vomero 4 or 5's? I tried on the 4's recently and they felt awesome (traditionally a NB 740/760 series runner). The 5 seems to have mixed reviews - some love it, some think it is a big downgrade.
Older = smarter; much lighter = faster. 3:30 sounds like a good goal! Dang, looking at some pics, I'd be tempted to run a lot slower and just enjoy the scenery. As to the Nike's ...I got nuttin.
:lmao: Welcome to the thread - looking forward to hearing about your training for that 3:30!!

I'm a Brooks guy for the shoes.

 
I haven't posted in this thread before, but thought what the heck. I am prepping for the Little Grand Canyon Marathon on Sept 11 this year. I have run 3 fulls in the past and several halves. My marathon PR is 3:44 from the St George marathon in 2003. Been 5 years since I have done a marathon and only entered this one because my running buddy wanted to run one and this is the one he picked. Looks gorgeous so I said what the heck.

ETA my goal for this one is 3:30. I am going to be running this marathon older, but also 25 lbs lighter than any previous marathon.

Anyone wearing the Nike Vomero 4 or 5's? I tried on the 4's recently and they felt awesome (traditionally a NB 740/760 series runner). The 5 seems to have mixed reviews - some love it, some think it is a big downgrade.
Older = smarter; much lighter = faster. 3:30 sounds like a good goal! Dang, looking at some pics, I'd be tempted to run a lot slower and just enjoy the scenery. As to the Nike's ...I got nuttin.
:) Welcome to the thread - looking forward to hearing about your training for that 3:30!!

I'm a Brooks guy for the shoes.
For years, I went through the NB 761-766's, some of the 740 series. Loved them. They changed it around 767 and made it less comfy so I have been a man without a great shoe for a while. A bunch of "OK" shoes, but we know the difference between running in a shoe you "like" vs LOVE. Huge diff. I might give this Vomero a try since it felt amazing on, and I have not had that in some time.FWIW my main shoe now is the current NB 740, which is pretty darn good. I have a nice NB trail shoe I use a ton in the foothills of the mountain I live at the base of, as well, and then some ho hum shoes. :kicksrock:

 
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I haven't posted in this thread before, but thought what the heck. I am prepping for the Little Grand Canyon Marathon on Sept 11 this year. I have run 3 fulls in the past and several halves. My marathon PR is 3:44 from the St George marathon in 2003. Been 5 years since I have done a marathon and only entered this one because my running buddy wanted to run one and this is the one he picked. Looks gorgeous so I said what the heck.

ETA my goal for this one is 3:30. I am going to be running this marathon older, but also 25 lbs lighter than any previous marathon.

Anyone wearing the Nike Vomero 4 or 5's? I tried on the 4's recently and they felt awesome (traditionally a NB 740/760 series runner). The 5 seems to have mixed reviews - some love it, some think it is a big downgrade.
Older = smarter; much lighter = faster. 3:30 sounds like a good goal! Dang, looking at some pics, I'd be tempted to run a lot slower and just enjoy the scenery. As to the Nike's ...I got nuttin.
:unsure: Welcome to the thread - looking forward to hearing about your training for that 3:30!!

I'm a Brooks guy for the shoes.
For years, I went through the NB 761-766's, some of the 740 series. Loved them. They changed it around 767 and made it less comfy so I have been a man without a great shoe for a while. A bunch of "OK" shoes, but we know the difference between running in a shoe you "like" vs LOVE. Huge diff. I might give this Vomero a try since it felt amazing on, and I have not had that in some time.FWIW my main shoe now is the current NB 740, which is pretty darn good. I have a nice NB trail shoe I use a ton in the foothills of the mountain I live at the base of, as well, and then some ho hum shoes. :bag:
I was a long-time NB guy (wide feet)- switched to Brooks and more recently (cough... cough... two three years ago) to Asics. Loved the shoe... was a higher end model.
 
Sand said:
2Young2BBald said:
No worries about the HR thingy, I have the Garmin 310XT that gives me everything and more in one piece on the wrist. I have been experimenting a ton with nutrition during long training and the Oly I did a few weeks back and will do this weekend. As of now, the plan for the HIM is to have my aero drink bottle filled with HEED, one bottle in the cage for Pink Sea salt & lemon water & a second for just water. I'll have 3 Hammer Gels & I Gu Chomp in the bento box. An update from the race website states they will have green Gatoraide on the bike course and flat Coke on the run course :shrug: with no talk of water (which I am sure is just assumed and not listed). I hate running with a fuel belt, but may have to depending on how they do the stops. They Oly this Sunday should be another good test. Temps are supposed to touch 90 and it is going to be humid. Thanks for the info, again. I am taking note and continuing to refine the plan.
A lot of folks like flat coke for the run. Seems to be common on IM courses.
Flat coke is everywhere at ultraraces, too. It was flat 7-Up that saved me during my Sept. ultra, settled my stomach after over an hour of being, well, very unsettled.
pigskinliquors said:
Hi all. :bag: on the HIM info. Fubar: great race and report! My training for my first HIM starts next week (18 weeks).

Regarding the drama in my life; Go here for details.

If you don't want details; I'll summarize. My wife doesn't want to be a wife or mother anymore. She's moving out next week; while I get to keep our girls and the house.
Wow, read through that thread, sounds like (Ambien rant not withstanding) you took the high road, and are going to be better off going forward. A lot of this stuff going around, it seems......
 
I haven't posted in this thread before, but thought what the heck. I am prepping for the Little Grand Canyon Marathon on Sept 11 this year. I have run 3 fulls in the past and several halves. My marathon PR is 3:44 from the St George marathon in 2003. Been 5 years since I have done a marathon and only entered this one because my running buddy wanted to run one and this is the one he picked. Looks gorgeous so I said what the heck.

ETA my goal for this one is 3:30. I am going to be running this marathon older, but also 25 lbs lighter than any previous marathon.

Anyone wearing the Nike Vomero 4 or 5's? I tried on the 4's recently and they felt awesome (traditionally a NB 740/760 series runner). The 5 seems to have mixed reviews - some love it, some think it is a big downgrade.
Older = smarter; much lighter = faster. 3:30 sounds like a good goal! Dang, looking at some pics, I'd be tempted to run a lot slower and just enjoy the scenery. As to the Nike's ...I got nuttin.
:lmao: Welcome to the thread - looking forward to hearing about your training for that 3:30!!

I'm a Brooks guy for the shoes.
For years, I went through the NB 761-766's, some of the 740 series. Loved them. They changed it around 767 and made it less comfy so I have been a man without a great shoe for a while. A bunch of "OK" shoes, but we know the difference between running in a shoe you "like" vs LOVE. Huge diff. I might give this Vomero a try since it felt amazing on, and I have not had that in some time.FWIW my main shoe now is the current NB 740, which is pretty darn good. I have a nice NB trail shoe I use a ton in the foothills of the mountain I live at the base of, as well, and then some ho hum shoes. :lol:
I was a long-time NB guy (wide feet)- switched to Brooks and more recently (cough... cough... two three years ago) to Asics. Loved the shoe... was a higher end model.
I have worn a couple of Asics to varying degrees of success. The Kayano, but back around 11 I believe. I tried a Gel-Cumulus as well around the same time and liked that one, to some degree as well.
 
Anyone wearing the Nike Vomero 4 or 5's? I tried on the 4's recently and they felt awesome (traditionally a NB 740/760 series runner). The 5 seems to have mixed reviews - some love it, some think it is a big downgrade.
:shrug: Asics for most part but I'm starting to train barefoot, mostly because a buddy bet me I couldn't do a race barefoot. It's been a long time since I've done a 5K, but that'll be the distance.
 
FUBAR said:
Mad Cow said:
Anyone wearing the Nike Vomero 4 or 5's? I tried on the 4's recently and they felt awesome (traditionally a NB 740/760 series runner). The 5 seems to have mixed reviews - some love it, some think it is a big downgrade.
:lmao: Asics for most part but I'm starting to train barefoot, mostly because a buddy bet me I couldn't do a race barefoot. It's been a long time since I've done a 5K, but that'll be the distance.
How much $ on the line?
 
Just saw Dean Karnazes at the grocery store. I got all giddy and kept staring, he finally smiled and nodded. Not sure what's going to happen when I finally see Halle Berry at that store, as she bought a house nearby a few month ago.

 
FUBAR said:
Mad Cow said:
Anyone wearing the Nike Vomero 4 or 5's? I tried on the 4's recently and they felt awesome (traditionally a NB 740/760 series runner). The 5 seems to have mixed reviews - some love it, some think it is a big downgrade.
:o Asics for most part but I'm starting to train barefoot, mostly because a buddy bet me I couldn't do a race barefoot. It's been a long time since I've done a 5K, but that'll be the distance.
How much $ on the line?
none, it's a pride thing.
 
FUBAR said:
Mad Cow said:
Anyone wearing the Nike Vomero 4 or 5's? I tried on the 4's recently and they felt awesome (traditionally a NB 740/760 series runner). The 5 seems to have mixed reviews - some love it, some think it is a big downgrade.
:o Asics for most part but I'm starting to train barefoot, mostly because a buddy bet me I couldn't do a race barefoot. It's been a long time since I've done a 5K, but that'll be the distance.
How much $ on the line?
none, it's a pride thing.
I recommend something like this.
 
Just saw Dean Karnazes at the grocery store. I got all giddy and kept staring, he finally smiled and nodded. Not sure what's going to happen when I finally see Halle Berry at that store, as she bought a house nearby a few month ago.
dude- I totally missed the part where you turned into an ultra runner. :awe:
 
Rough start to my morning. Got up at 4:15 to go out for 11 and did not realize that a storm was rolling in. I got out and did 3, but it started to rain and I realized the lightning was not going to pass me by. I am not afraid of running in the rain, but lightning is a no deal. Went back home and got a little more sleep. I will finish up my last 8 tonight.

 
Mad Cow said:
I haven't posted in this thread before, but thought what the heck.
Only 17,3698 posts too late. Welcome to the club, though, and GL with your training.Edit: Oh yeah, I've got nothing on the shoes. The only running shoes I've ever worn were the Brooks Beast (several years ago) and the Asics Gel Evolution (now).
 
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I was a long-time NB guy (wide feet)- switched to Brooks and more recently (cough... cough... two three years ago) to Asics. Loved the shoe... was a higher end model.
:bag: This is emblematic of my current state (lack of state) of fitness/training. The shoes are Saucony Triumph 4s. Haven't looked at them in months.

 
Rough start to my morning. Got up at 4:15 to go out for 11 and did not realize that a storm was rolling in. I got out and did 3, but it started to rain and I realized the lightning was not going to pass me by. I am not afraid of running in the rain, but lightning is a no deal. Went back home and got a little more sleep. I will finish up my last 8 tonight.
Agreed. It is amazing when you see the numbers how many runners die from lightning each year.
 
Thursday - off

Friday - off

Saturday - Hard 47 miles with approx 5000 ft of climbing on at a 17 mph average. This is the BSG half course. Tennis / Football.

Sunday - Repeated the Saturday ride at a 14.5 average as a recovery ride. Basketball

Monday - 10 minutes of swimming. Just wasn't feeling it. Tennis / Wood Splitting

Tuesday - off

Still have some lingering soreness from the weekend activities. Sort of in taper mode.

Upcoming events

Tonite - 10 mile TT

Saturday - 750 yd / 17 mi / 5k sprint tri

Sunday - same course as Saturday but doing a co-ed relay, bike leg.

 
What a difference a day off makes (not to mention weather that's 20 degrees cooler and staying away from the hills).

Was feeling a little hurt and demoralized after the weekend. But had a really good run this a.m. I set out to implement the first 6 miles of my race plan for next weekend's 10-miler. Wanted to do the first three miles at a 7:40 pace - did them at 7:39. Wanted to do the next at 7:28, followed by two at 7:20. Did them at 7:22, 7:18, and 7:04 (a little cheat there, the last quarter-mile was the hill down to my house; I walked to the top of the hill before starting my run).

The trick on raceday will be to do that again, then run 4 more miles at 7:30 pace.

Achilles are feeling much, much better. Calves are really sore though, in part from altering my stride last weekend to protect my heels. But I feel like it's just a strain that I can run through - feeling much relieved that it doesn't seem to be Achilles tendonitis, which I hear is pretty much impossible to train through.

 
Mad Cow said:
I haven't posted in this thread before, but thought what the heck. I am prepping for the Little Grand Canyon Marathon on Sept 11 this year. I have run 3 fulls in the past and several halves. My marathon PR is 3:44 from the St George marathon in 2003. Been 5 years since I have done a marathon and only entered this one because my running buddy wanted to run one and this is the one he picked. Looks gorgeous so I said what the heck.

ETA my goal for this one is 3:30. I am going to be running this marathon older, but also 25 lbs lighter than any previous marathon.

Anyone wearing the Nike Vomero 4 or 5's? I tried on the 4's recently and they felt awesome (traditionally a NB 740/760 series runner). The 5 seems to have mixed reviews - some love it, some think it is a big downgrade.
I have the Vomero 4's, I love them. I'm a bigger guy(220lbs) and I run on the outside of my feet. I used to get knee pain on longer runs, since I've been using these sneakers I haven't had that problem.
 
Mad Cow said:
I haven't posted in this thread before, but thought what the heck. I am prepping for the Little Grand Canyon Marathon on Sept 11 this year. I have run 3 fulls in the past and several halves. My marathon PR is 3:44 from the St George marathon in 2003. Been 5 years since I have done a marathon and only entered this one because my running buddy wanted to run one and this is the one he picked. Looks gorgeous so I said what the heck.

ETA my goal for this one is 3:30. I am going to be running this marathon older, but also 25 lbs lighter than any previous marathon.

Anyone wearing the Nike Vomero 4 or 5's? I tried on the 4's recently and they felt awesome (traditionally a NB 740/760 series runner). The 5 seems to have mixed reviews - some love it, some think it is a big downgrade.
I have the Vomero 4's, I love them. I'm a bigger guy(220lbs) and I run on the outside of my feet. I used to get knee pain on longer runs, since I've been using these sneakers I haven't had that problem.
Have you tried the 5's? If so, any comments there?
 
Just saw Dean Karnazes at the grocery store. I got all giddy and kept staring, he finally smiled and nodded. Not sure what's going to happen when I finally see Halle Berry at that store, as she bought a house nearby a few month ago.
dude- I totally missed the part where you turned into an ultra runner. :awe:
His last race report from an ultra was epic.
Aww, thanks. I've been meaning to go back and read it again, haven't done so since last year.
 
Just saw Dean Karnazes at the grocery store. I got all giddy and kept staring, he finally smiled and nodded. Not sure what's going to happen when I finally see Halle Berry at that store, as she bought a house nearby a few month ago.
dude- I totally missed the part where you turned into an ultra runner. :awe:
His last race report from an ultra was epic.
Aww, thanks. I've been meaning to go back and read it again, haven't done so since last year.
:hifive: :unsure:

 
From today's NYTimes.... :shrug:

Recently, 10 healthy male college students filed into an exercise laboratory at Brigham Young University in Utah to drink pickle juice. Many people involved in sports are convinced that the briny fluid combats muscle cramping. In a 2008 survey, a quarter of the athletic trainers interviewed said that they regularly dispense pickle juice to cramp-stricken athletes. Many also report that, in their experiences, the stuff quickly brakes the cramping. The athletic trainers have told researchers that they believe the pickle juice must be replenishing the salt and fluids the athletes had lost to sweat. But no laboratory science had verified that theory.The Utah volunteers began with a series of 30-minute bicycling sessions, using a semi-recumbent bicycle, configured so that only leg pedaled. The laboratory was warm, increasing the amount the exercising men sweated. Each cycled in 30-minute bouts (with five minutes of rest between) until each had lost 3 percent of his body weight through perspiration, a widely accepted definition of mild dehydration.The young men were then fitted with a contraption on the big toe of their unexercised leg, and the tibial nerve in the men’s ankles was electrically stimulated, causing a muscle in the big toe to cramp. (The procedure causes some discomfort, making it too painful to use on larger muscles, like the hamstrings or the quadriceps.) The volunteers were told to relax and let the cramps run their course. The average duration of the cramps was about two and a half minutes.The volunteers rested and did not drink any fluids. Then their tibial nerve was zapped again. This time, though, as soon as the toe cramps began, each man downed about 2.5 ounces of either deionized water or pickle juice, strained from a jar of ordinary Vlasic dills. The reaction, for some, was rapid. Within about 85 seconds, the men drinking pickle juice stopped cramping. But the cramps continued unabated in the men drinking water. Pickle juice had “relieved a cramp 45 percent faster” than drinking no fluids and about 37 percent faster than water, concluded the authors of the study, which was published last month on the Web site of the journal of the American College of Sports Medicine.Exercise-induced muscle cramps are one of the continuing mysteries of physiology. Extremely pervasive, they afflict most active people at some point. But scientists remain deeply divided about what causes the cramping. For years, most people, inside and outside academia, believed that cramping was caused by sweating-induced dehydration and the accompanying loss of sodium and potassium. Sufferers were advised to load up on potassium-rich bananas or chug large amounts of salty sports drinks.But a number of laboratory and field studies in recent years have undermined the dehydration theory. The most recent, completed by the same group of scientists who studied pickle juice, employed a similar study design. A group of college students had cramps induced in their toes. They then pedaled with one leg until dehydration set in. Their toes were made to cramp again, Presumably if dehydration were the underlying cause of the cramping, the scientists should have been able to induce a cramp with less electrical stimulation when the men were dehydrated; their muscles should have been primed to cramp. But the experiment didn’t work out that way. As detailed last month in the journal Medicine and Science in Sports and Exercise, the scientists had to use the same amount of stimulation to induce a cramp after dehydration as they had before. Their conclusion? “Exercise-induced cramps occurring to athletes” who are mildly dehydrated “were likely not caused by dehydration,” says Kevin C. Miller, Ph.D., ATC, the lead author of both studies and now an assistant professor in the Athletic Training Education Program at North Dakota State University in Fargo.What, then, does probably cause athletes to cramp? The pickle-juice experiment provides some intriguing clues. “The pickle juice did not have time” to leave the men’s stomachs during the experiment, Mr. Miller points out. So the liquid itself could not have been replenishing lost fluids and salt in the affected muscles. Instead some other mechanism must have initiated the cramps and been stymied by the pickle juice.Mr. Miller suspects that that mechanism is exhaustion, either directly or through biochemical processes the accompany fatigue. Certain mechanisms within muscles have been found, in animal and limited human studies, he says, to start misfiring when a muscle is extremely tired. Small nerves that should keep the muscle from overcontracting malfunction and the muscle bunches when it should relax. Pickle juice may work, Mr. Miller says, by countermanding the malfunction. Something in the acidic juice, perhaps even a specific molecule of some kind, may be lighting up specialized nervous-system receptors in the throat or stomach, he says, which, in turn, send out nerve signals that somehow disrupt the reflex melee in the muscles. Mr. Miller suspects that, ultimately, it’s the vinegar in the pickle juice that activates the receptors. In a recent case report by other researchers, a single athlete’s cramping was relieved more quickly when he drank pure vinegar (without much pleasure, I’m sure) than when he drank pickle juice.At the moment, speculation about the powers of pickle juice remains just that, speculative. “It’s extremely challenging” to induce realistic sports cramps in the lab, Mr. Miller says. His technique, of causing the big toe to spasm, while useful, can’t fully replicate what happens in larger, stronger leg muscles during a cramp. Still, the work is suggestive and, perhaps most important, implies methods for finding relief. “If muscle fatigue is the cause,” he says, then training properly, building up your mileage slowly and perhaps adding strength training that focuses specifically on muscles that have cramped in the past, may help. In the meantime, if your calf or other muscle suddenly, painfully catches, “try stretching it,” Mr. Miller says. Doing so has been found in laboratory studies to significantly shorten the duration of a muscle cramp, most likely by shaking up and resetting the misfiring muscle and nerve reflexes. And perhaps, if you can stomach the idea, pack a few ounces of pickle juice on your next training session. It’s not as palatable as bananas, but unlike them, “it seems to work,” Mr. Miller says.
 
Mad Cow said:
I haven't posted in this thread before, but thought what the heck. I am prepping for the Little Grand Canyon Marathon on Sept 11 this year. I have run 3 fulls in the past and several halves. My marathon PR is 3:44 from the St George marathon in 2003. Been 5 years since I have done a marathon and only entered this one because my running buddy wanted to run one and this is the one he picked. Looks gorgeous so I said what the heck.

ETA my goal for this one is 3:30. I am going to be running this marathon older, but also 25 lbs lighter than any previous marathon.

Anyone wearing the Nike Vomero 4 or 5's? I tried on the 4's recently and they felt awesome (traditionally a NB 740/760 series runner). The 5 seems to have mixed reviews - some love it, some think it is a big downgrade.
I have the Vomero 4's, I love them. I'm a bigger guy(220lbs) and I run on the outside of my feet. I used to get knee pain on longer runs, since I've been using these sneakers I haven't had that problem.
Have you tried the 5's? If so, any comments there?
Haven't tried the 5's, only had the 4's for about 3 months.
 
Just saw Dean Karnazes at the grocery store. I got all giddy and kept staring, he finally smiled and nodded. Not sure what's going to happen when I finally see Halle Berry at that store, as she bought a house nearby a few month ago.
dude- I totally missed the part where you turned into an ultra runner. :awe:
His last race report from an ultra was epic.
That was great!
From today's NYTimes.... :confused:

Still, the work is suggestive and, perhaps most important, implies methods for finding relief. “If muscle fatigue is the cause,” he says, then training properly, building up your mileage slowly and perhaps adding strength training that focuses specifically on muscles that have cramped in the past, may help. In the meantime, if your calf or other muscle suddenly, painfully catches, “try stretching it,” Mr. Miller says. Doing so has been found in laboratory studies to significantly shorten the duration of a muscle cramp, most likely by shaking up and resetting the misfiring muscle and nerve reflexes. And perhaps, if you can stomach the idea, pack a few ounces of pickle juice on your next training session. It’s not as palatable as bananas, but unlike them, “it seems to work,” Mr. Miller says.
Very interesting. I like the idea of carrying a small vial of pickle juice with a "Open Only in Case of Cramping" label on it.
 
Mad Cow: great to have you here! I haven't run in Nike shoes in over a decade. I have historically worn Asic Nimbus, but am currently running on some NB (not even sure what they are).

Duck: thanks for re-posting. It was great to read it again!

:excited: juice; this is offered at many events in TX, in particular cycling events. I've never tried it, as I'm not sure my stomach could handle it. Yet, if it can stop cramping, it's worth a shot.

The_Man: nice run!!

re: Wetsuit, I'm currently the high bidder on this suit. If I don't win it, I'll order a new one.

My Update:

Got in a tough/ex 5 miler this morning. At the start of the run it was 72 degrees, w/ about 90% humidity (unbearable). I trudged 3.5 miles, then a storm came in, started to rain, and the temp dropped at least 5 degrees. The last mile (7:57) felt incredible. I only wish I'd have started the run a bit later, to enjoy more of the cooler weather!

I'm also racing this weekend! I have this "duathlon" on tap! Going to do the 65 miles pretty leisurely with a buddy (cycling), then rough it for the float down the river!

 
OK Tri-guys I have hit the pool twice this week. Both times I swam about a half a mile. First, let me tell you that I am not a good swimmer. Second, swimming laps is not as simple as it looks. Finally, I really enjoy swimming. I told my wife about my first time swimming laps on Monday and I concluded by saying, "I don't suck at swimming any more than I sucked at running when I started running 4 years ago."

Breathing with freestyle is still a bit of a struggle. I am working on breathing and pacing. I have a BIL that is a swim coach so I will be picking his brain when I see him in a few weeks.

 
OK Tri-guys I have hit the pool twice this week. Both times I swam about a half a mile. First, let me tell you that I am not a good swimmer. Second, swimming laps is not as simple as it looks. Finally, I really enjoy swimming. I told my wife about my first time swimming laps on Monday and I concluded by saying, "I don't suck at swimming any more than I sucked at running when I started running 4 years ago." Breathing with freestyle is still a bit of a struggle. I am working on breathing and pacing. I have a BIL that is a swim coach so I will be picking his brain when I see him in a few weeks.
Even more so than with running or biking, you need a partner who knows what they're doing. Even better if she's a coach (and hot). I taught my training partner to swim and he's getting it, but it takes awhile. Stroke/efficiency is key, more than building endurance at first. Honestly, learning now will be easier than learning later.
 
Maybe this was posted already- More wetsuits... 2010 versions 20% off at TriSports.comcode: WET20-E
:thumbup: I am now officially in wet-suit information overload mode. So many sub-$200 options it's hard to know what one is the "best." I hate to get the cheapest just because it's the cheapest, considering I really don't plan to buy another wetsuit for a long time. meeka - I'm a beginner swimmer as well, and it's definitely key to get someone to point out what you're doing wrong. I've gotten used to bi-lateral breathing (alternating sides) and it seems to be working well for me - I recommend it. I went the opposite direction from what FUBAR advocates tho - I just wanted to know I could make it 800 yds, and now I'm more concerned about improving my form / speed. Not saying I did it the right way, as my bad habits may prove difficult to break. I used to wear Asics, but they tore up my heels and so I made the switch to Brooks many years ago. The_Man - great run! I'm glad you are feeling better after your rest days. Unfortunately, I am NOT feeling much better. My 6x 1200s this morning were a major disaster. I made it twice at goal pace (6:37) then completely fell apart after the 3rd (a 6:55). My HR hit 192 on the second repeat and was well into the 180s on all of the others (including the last slow one!) :X It was 68 degrees w/78% humidity which isn't great but certainly isn't bad. I lost about 4lbs sweating and my hammys are still ridiculously tight/sore. In a word - this run was teh suck. Planning on hitting the outdoor pool late this afternoon before heading home to watch the Blackhawks. Tomorrow we're heading up to Milwaukee early for the Cubs game but planning on getting up early enough for a short bike ride beforehand.
 

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