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Ran a 10k in June (2 Viewers)

OK there's enough of a trend that its gotta be something I'm doing. So I'll throw myself at the mercy of the experts...Every single run after a day off feels like crap. The following day I feel 100% better and usually have a good run.
:rolleyes:I'm the same way. That's the exact reason why I always run a couple of miles the day before a marathon (and rest the previous day). I have no idea why that's the way it is.
 
Don't forget you are one of the folks (along with tri-man) who hasn't filled in his information in the Facebook page so that Pat can get our final payment and information in.
Sorry ...missed that part. I've updated the file with my info. Prosopis - good to hear the heart is OK. Hard to determine what might be holding you back after a couple years of running. I would think that it's tied to the length of your stride. You might try to throw some longer striding into some of your runs (short stretches where you consciously put some lift in the leg and more rotation through the back of the stride). You could even do some skip stepping - some high knee lifts - to get the hips moving more fully.
I read Born to Run which indicated a short stride was better. I have purposely been trying a short stride and very little heel strike. It is kind of hard to avoid the heel strike and I know I sometimes forget.
 
BassNBrew said:
Saw the cardiologist today. My heart is good :lmao:

I again complained that I think I run out of breath faster then others. I also mentioned that I am disappointed that I cant seem to run as fast or as far as others who have been doing it for a similar amount of time. It really bothers me that I have been doing this now for aprox 2 years? and my best times dont seem to be what they should be. I also asked about HR.

He used a lot of big words but what I think I heard is that some people will never be able to train into what they want. Just like I was made short I may not physically be able to reach my goals. He says there is no heart or pulmonary problems to blame my complaints on.

He also seemed to indicate that I may want to run with a reasonable HR goal for longer distance instead of speed goal. I feel if I do this my times will be super slow instead of just slow. I guess the idea is to run at a reasonable HR and eventually I will be able to do more at a lower HR but it seems to me this should have already happened in the last 2 years. Sorry about the whining.

I will keep plugging along, HTFU and see what happens. :thumbup:

* I went and saw Paranormal 2 today and this certainly got my HR up. I was so scared I was worried I may #### myself,start crying or both. It was a really scary movie.

I hate demons.
Glad to hear about the good report.Regarding getting faster...don't take this the wrong way, but from reading your posts, you don't seem to have a solid consistant training plan. A lot of that seems to be weather related but you'll have to deal with that. I would suggest putting a solid plan in place and sticking to it before giving up on yourself becoming faster.

I'm a big believer in hr training over pace training. The reason the guys around here can pace train is that they have enough miles that pace and hr are basically one in the same.

Putting these two together, you should pick out a distance to train for and stick with it. Gru could run much faster 5ks, but he's training for faster long distance times. His speed work is done roughly at his 5k pace. If he wanted to crush a 5k, his speed work would be much faster than that...but that isn't optimal for recovery when distance running.
This is very true. I do change how I am going to "train" with the wind. I like what you say here. I will go to runners world and pick a plan and stick to it. If anyone has suggestions I would take them.
 
My daughter had a soccer game today and I knew I would be early so i brought my Garmin with me. I did 3.1 miles in 91 degrees. I learned one thing. If I am going to run in 91 degrees I should not swing through the dairy queen drive thru for a chocolate cone on the way to my run. :lmao: :

 
Don't forget you are one of the folks (along with tri-man) who hasn't filled in his information in the Facebook page so that Pat can get our final payment and information in.
Sorry ...missed that part. I've updated the file with my info. Prosopis - good to hear the heart is OK. Hard to determine what might be holding you back after a couple years of running. I would think that it's tied to the length of your stride. You might try to throw some longer striding into some of your runs (short stretches where you consciously put some lift in the leg and more rotation through the back of the stride). You could even do some skip stepping - some high knee lifts - to get the hips moving more fully.
I read Born to Run which indicated a short stride was better. I have purposely been trying a short stride and very little heel strike. It is kind of hard to avoid the heel strike and I know I sometimes forget.
I'd respond by saying that creating a longer stride by pivoting out (and therefore straightening out) the lower leg and heel striking is not good. But creating a longer stride with a strong leg lift, proper foot plant, and firm push-off is beneficial. Add in a bit of forward lean and good arm position and rotation ...
 
OK there's enough of a trend that its gotta be something I'm doing. So I'll throw myself at the mercy of the experts...Every single run after a day off feels like crap. The following day I feel 100% better and usually have a good run.
:shrug:I'm the same way. That's the exact reason why I always run a couple of miles the day before a marathon (and rest the previous day). I have no idea why that's the way it is.
I have noticed this for me as well. Usually on my off day, I will walk a bit if I can and this seems to loosen the legs. I think the legs are expecting to run on the off day and they get rusty even after just one day because of inactivity. Takes a day to get the cobwebs out. Strange I know, but I am usually ok with stretching or walking on the off day.---------------------Yesterday was a big day for me. I did 5 miles in the afternoon and 10 miles last night. All of the miles averaged around 8:00 per. It is hard to explain, but I just feel like I am running better than ever. I feel like I could go for quite a bit longer each time out. I guess the summer running really paid off for me and I would have never guessed it.Hopefully it just means I will have another good training session.And for you Bourbon Chasers, I sent out the status message last night. Hope it is not to harsh, but it is what it is.Have a great day all.
 
pmbrown_22 said:
And for you Bourbon Chasers, I sent out the status message last night. Hope it is not to harsh, but it is what it is.
Not harsh at all. Please see your FB PM asking for your address. I've lost access to the spreadsheet and need your address to get the check in the mail today. I apologize for the delay!
 
pmbrown_22 said:
And for you Bourbon Chasers, I sent out the status message last night. Hope it is not to harsh, but it is what it is.
Not harsh at all. Please see your FB PM asking for your address. I've lost access to the spreadsheet and need your address to get the check in the mail today. I apologize for the delay!
No access to FB at work so I sent a PM through here with my address.
 
My last chance to post here before I head to NYC for the marathon on Sunday. I knocked out 7 miles last night with 2 miles at 8:15 pace. My body feels rested and ready to take on the big one. I've been very conscious of getting lots of sleep this week (8+ hours a night) and I'm planning on starting my carb loading tomorrow night with plenty of rice. My only fear is bonking like I did in Orlando in January but my training was much more effective this time around (the PFitz 18/55 plan) and I'm planning on being smarter about my on-course refueling (more frequent water/gatorade/gels) to get me over the dreaded 5th avenue hump.

Feel free to track me on Sunday: Race number - 20-099.

I'll post a race report sometime early next week.

 
pmbrown_22 said:
And for you Bourbon Chasers, I sent out the status message last night. Hope it is not to harsh, but it is what it is.
Not harsh at all. Please see your FB PM asking for your address. I've lost access to the spreadsheet and need your address to get the check in the mail today. I apologize for the delay!
You should now have access (everyone should, for that matter). Looks like we are missing 4 full payments and 1 partial payment. I didn't think the message was harsh. These type of events are much better set in stone way early, otherwise life and SOs find ways to create date conflicts. BTW, I think we should open naming suggestions to the FFA as a whole. We should get some great schtick out of it.

Workhorse - good luck!

 
Hey all! I'm just sitting around eating a lot, and not working out. Depression can be fun :thumbup: Today I am able to walk without pain, but still can't push off on my right leg without it.

 
My last chance to post here before I head to NYC for the marathon on Sunday. I knocked out 7 miles last night with 2 miles at 8:15 pace. My body feels rested and ready to take on the big one. I've been very conscious of getting lots of sleep this week (8+ hours a night) and I'm planning on starting my carb loading tomorrow night with plenty of rice. My only fear is bonking like I did in Orlando in January but my training was much more effective this time around (the PFitz 18/55 plan) and I'm planning on being smarter about my on-course refueling (more frequent water/gatorade/gels) to get me over the dreaded 5th avenue hump.Feel free to track me on Sunday: Race number - 20-099.I'll post a race report sometime early next week.
GL!!
 
My last chance to post here before I head to NYC for the marathon on Sunday. I knocked out 7 miles last night with 2 miles at 8:15 pace. My body feels rested and ready to take on the big one. I've been very conscious of getting lots of sleep this week (8+ hours a night) and I'm planning on starting my carb loading tomorrow night with plenty of rice. My only fear is bonking like I did in Orlando in January but my training was much more effective this time around (the PFitz 18/55 plan) and I'm planning on being smarter about my on-course refueling (more frequent water/gatorade/gels) to get me over the dreaded 5th avenue hump.Feel free to track me on Sunday: Race number - 20-099.I'll post a race report sometime early next week.
Have a great race, Workhorse! You're ready for it.
 
Hey all! I'm just sitting around eating a lot, and not working out. Depression can be fun :confused: Today I am able to walk without pain, but still can't push off on my right leg without it.
Are they offering an Aquabike event (1.2 mile swim & 56 mile bike)? Just a thought. For Muncie, those that chose to DNF at the run portion were, I think, allowed to post their swim & bike in the Aquabike event.
 
Hey all! I'm just sitting around eating a lot, and not working out. Depression can be fun :confused: Today I am able to walk without pain, but still can't push off on my right leg without it.
Are they offering an Aquabike event (1.2 mile swim & 56 mile bike)? Just a thought. For Muncie, those that chose to DNF at the run portion were, I think, allowed to post their swim & bike in the Aquabike event.
If he could pass for Triman, he could do the wheelchair event.
 
My last chance to post here before I head to NYC for the marathon on Sunday. I knocked out 7 miles last night with 2 miles at 8:15 pace. My body feels rested and ready to take on the big one. I've been very conscious of getting lots of sleep this week (8+ hours a night) and I'm planning on starting my carb loading tomorrow night with plenty of rice. My only fear is bonking like I did in Orlando in January but my training was much more effective this time around (the PFitz 18/55 plan) and I'm planning on being smarter about my on-course refueling (more frequent water/gatorade/gels) to get me over the dreaded 5th avenue hump.Feel free to track me on Sunday: Race number - 20-099.I'll post a race report sometime early next week.
Good luck, Workhorse. You had a really good training cycle this time around. I've read a little about the NY marathon this time around for some reason. It sounds like the logistics of this thing are absolutely insane, with some waves of runners not starting until two hours (!) after the gun. Not saying it wouldn't be a fun event to do once, but yikes, what a pain. I think I'd rather stick to events were I can roll out of bed, take a quick bus ride to the start, and get going. _____________________________I feel like I don't have much to post here anymore now that the fall races are winding down and everybody's moving back into off-season mode. I had some good maintenance runs this week and have 10 on tap for tomorrow. I'm strongly considering registering for Fargo in May. The advantages are that it's pancake flat and it's an easy 2 1/2 hour drive up the interstate for me. In the event that marathon training doesn't go well, this event gives you the option of dropping down to the half for a minimal switching fee -- like $10 or so -- so it's "low risk" as far as marathons go. The main disadvantage is that it's going to be tough to train for a spring marathon here. Our roads and sidewalks are unrunnable for most of the winter, so a huge chunk of my running would be indoors, at least until March or even April. I'd have to go way out of my way to find passable roads for long runs because 18+ on a treadmill just isn't going to cut it when the race itself is on asphalt/concrete. Also, I've done the math, and I'm scheduled to be at a conference in NYC on the weekend of what would be my final long run, but that's something I would just have to juggle a little. I'd also have to skip our local half, which takes place the week before. But Fargo has gotten really good reviews . . .
 
Hey all! I'm just sitting around eating a lot, and not working out. Depression can be fun :popcorn: Today I am able to walk without pain, but still can't push off on my right leg without it.
Are they offering an Aquabike event (1.2 mile swim & 56 mile bike)? Just a thought. For Muncie, those that chose to DNF at the run portion were, I think, allowed to post their swim & bike in the Aquabike event.
If he could pass for Triman, he could do the wheelchair event.
:lmao: :lmao: I did have a friend offer to wheelchair me during the run. I'm likely just going to be able to do the swim. My naproxen has worn off and I'm back in pain again. While I really want to make a go at getting as much of this thing completed as possible, I'd be pretty pissed off if I turned this into a grade three strain, and ended up missing ALL my Spring events (as well as the Fall and Winter I anticipate losing) as well. At a minimum I'll be able to get in a really nice 1.2 mile swim and get to have the excitement of starting the race. My bike will be there waiting for me when I get out of the water, but if I can't lightly jog to her (Helga), I'm not going to jump on her.edited to add; there isn't an Aquabike event.
 
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Good luck Workhorse!!

8 miles today with 6 at about 7:57s with a slightly negative split (8s, 7:55s). My HR average was 178 on the first 3 and 181 on the back 3 (with a max HR of 187). Yowza!! Funny thing is I really struggled to stay below 8 on the front 1/2 but finished strong and could have kept going for a while (usually I walk for a couple of minutes after a tempo run before I jog home, but today I didn't).

 
Wet eye alert. I just saw

Great inspiration. I'm afraid I'd look similar after my first quarter mile if I attempt to run this weekend, and don't think I want to try to run 13+ miles like that. If Tri-Man were here, I know he'd be able to assist me in.
 
Sorry haven't been around for a while. Just a quick update:

Racing in the Iceman Cometh MTB event in Traverse City, MI Saturday.

Wave: 25

Start Time: 10:19am

The Iceman Cometh Challenge is a 27 mile point-to-point mountain bike race from Kalkaska to Traverse City, Michigan.

2008 Finish: 3:27

2009 Finish: 3:01

2010 Finish: I'm shooting for under 3 and hoping for 2:30

 
Sorry haven't been around for a while. Just a quick update:Racing in the Iceman Cometh MTB event in Traverse City, MI Saturday.Wave: 25Start Time: 10:19amThe Iceman Cometh Challenge is a 27 mile point-to-point mountain bike race from Kalkaska to Traverse City, Michigan. 2008 Finish: 3:272009 Finish: 3:012010 Finish: I'm shooting for under 3 and hoping for 2:30
Go for it! How tough and technical is the course?
 
Sorry haven't been around for a while. Just a quick update:Racing in the Iceman Cometh MTB event in Traverse City, MI Saturday.Wave: 25Start Time: 10:19amThe Iceman Cometh Challenge is a 27 mile point-to-point mountain bike race from Kalkaska to Traverse City, Michigan. 2008 Finish: 3:272009 Finish: 3:012010 Finish: I'm shooting for under 3 and hoping for 2:30
Go for it! How tough and technical is the course?
Not technical at all but the hills are big and there are many of them.
 
Whassup, dudes?! Just so you all know that I'm human, I thought I'd let you know that I wussed out on part of my VO2Max workout yesterday. Was scheduled for 9 with 3 x 1600M at 5K pace. Did a couple mile warmup, then knocked out the first repeat at 6:00. It was a little too fast, and I knew it, and unfortunately you can't "un-ring" the bell. Fluck. Did a 4-minute recovery jog, then did #2 at 6:08. Another 4-minute jog, and I started #3 (into the wind) but bailed after about a quarter-mile when I felt like I was gonna puke. Probably could've/should've pushed through it, but I bailed. Whatever. Did the rest of the run at GA pace. Overall 9 miles at 7:22 average pace.

This morning was an easy 5-mile recovery run at 8:44 pace, and tonight was another swim lesson. And I ordered this bike trainer tonight on the advice of a couple friends and a local tri coach. I'm still planning on training relatively hard for Boston, but I hope to do enough of this other stuff to take a shot at a half IM next June. If all goes well, I may have a different focus for 2012....

In the meantime, 8 days 'til the first real shot at sub-3.... :goodposting:

 
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It was a little too fast, and I knew it, and unfortunately you can't "un-ring" the bell. In the meantime, 8 days 'til the first real shot at sub-3.... :thumbup:
Dontcha just love how that works? Drives me crazy!Rootin' for ya next weekend!!
 
Whassup, dudes?! Just so you all know that I'm human, I thought I'd let you know that I wussed out on part of my VO2Max workout yesterday. Was scheduled for 9 with 3 x 1600M at 5K pace. Did a couple mile warmup, then knocked out the first repeat at 6:00. It was a little too fast, and I knew it, and unfortunately you can't "un-ring" the bell. Fluck. Did a 4-minute recovery jog, then did #2 at 6:08. Another 4-minute jog, and I started #3 (into the wind) but bailed after about a quarter-mile when I felt like I was gonna puke. Probably could've/should've pushed through it, but I bailed. Whatever. Did the rest of the run at GA pace. Overall 9 miles at 7:22 average pace.

This morning was an easy 5-mile recovery run at 8:44 pace, and tonight was another swim lesson. And I ordered this bike trainer tonight on the advice of a couple friends and a local tri coach. I'm still planning on training relatively hard for Boston, but I hope to do enough of this other stuff to take a shot at a half IM next June. If all goes well, I may have a different focus for 2012....

In the meantime, 8 days 'til the first real shot at sub-3.... :goodposting:
Awesome - weather is still looking good. I did my first 2 post-marathon miles last night. Holy crap! Not really sore at all, which is great, but my legs were leaden, lifeless, piles of bricks. I slogged through in a 9:43 pace and it's not an exaggeration to say that was nearly as hard as any run I've had in the last 4 months. Finally started feeling a little better right at the very end - will do 3 tomorrow, and then 45-60 minutes on Sunday, depending on how I feel.

 
I slacked off today. Still feeling the sinus cold thing that I have going on and just could not drag my sorry butt out of bed to get in 8 before work. I think it is going to be a USRD, but I need it. I just want my body to rest up a bit more. The good news is that if I do my 6 tomorrow and my planned 13 on Sunday, I will be a half mile short of 2000 miles for the year. I think I am going to go the extra half mile on Sunday just to knock it out. Sunday is my b-day so what a cool gift to myself.Bourbon Chasers:Our 12th man, and experienced Bourbon Chaser sent me an email last night with a bunch of tips in it. Here is what he said:

Just FYI, the two main things to consider early is van rental and hotel:1. Van Rental (or not) - I’m not sure how far in advance van rental can even be done but I’ve heard you want to do that early if you want them (The number of van rentals for this thing is so great that it actually approaches the capacity of local rental companies). We just used two Suburbans this year and they worked fine (one Dan’s and the other was my brother Ryan’s). However, we only had one designated driver per vehicle. That meant that the majority of the time there was six people in the vehicle: One “driver”, and the five who aren’t running. When no one in our van was running there was seven but that was not too bad. Two drivers (as suggested by the organizers) would have made it a little crowded. But, if you have two drivers or don’t know anyone with large vehicles I would suggest renting the 15 passenger vans.2. Hotel – There are three possible nights in which you may consider a hotel room and I’m sure teams have chosen any combination of none, one, two or all three: Thursday, Friday, and Saturday. I think this has a lot to do with your start time/pace. o Thursday - Some teams with a slower pace that have an earlier start time tend to stay at a hotel the night before rather than getting up really early to get there. My logic is that if you know you are only going to get a few hours sleep at best the next night, you don’t want to be sleep deprived going into it. My teams did not do this either year because we had a start time around 11:30am each time. I’m assuming your team is going to have a faster pace than us (9:10/mile average) hence a later start time so you may not consider this option but I’m not sure.o Friday – You can reserve a couple rooms near the middle of the course so that when your van is “inactive” you can go to the room to shower or just get a good place to rest/sleep. The team I was on did not do this the first year but we did it this year. It was definitely worth it (for two rooms, $180/12 people = only $15/person). It went something like this: After the first major exchange at maker’s mark (5pm), van 1 went to Danville to check in at the hotel just to rest and shower but it was too early in the day to actually sleep. They then made a short trip to the town of Needmore for the next major exchange (10pm). Van 2 then went to the same hotel rooms to shower/sleep taking their own sleeping bags/blankets, sleeping on top of the bed. Van 2 then took a very short drive to the exchange in Danville for the next exchange (3:30am). Van 1 then went to the same rooms again to sleep since the bedding was undisturbed from the other van. Van 1 then checked out and had to get to Four Roses (8am) which was a little longer drive maybe 35-40min. The only twist to this is if you have runners doing a significantly faster pace. We really didn’t have a whole lot of time averaging just over a 9 minute mile. I don’t know if it would be worth it if we were doing sub 7:00 miles (not sure what most people will be running). But it was really nice to get one shower and have a nice place to lay down. That’s just something to consider. I think you can wait a while on these reservations and still be okay.o Saturday – Some like to stay the night in Lexington the night after because you can finish anywhere from 3 – 9pm on Saturday (although probably 5-7 pm if people are accurate on their paces). Personally, I liked just staying at the after party for about an hour then heading home. You are so tired you just want to get home to your own bed. Then you can have the whole next day to sort through everything at home and get the vans cleaned out to return. But, I’m not sure how that will work if people are from out of town. They may prefer to stay there. One more thing: make sure people understand their paces that they submit. I don’t know why it is so hard to understand but people want to submit paces that they think they will run at the bourbon chase. And that is not correct. They need to submit a 10K pace that they would run if they were only running a single 10K as fast as they can. The first year, most people submitted their times incorrectly and we actually had to wait 1 hour for one of the exchanges to open. So, I tried to really stress this and there were a couple people who still didn’t submit it correct. But only having a couple people’s paces off a little doesn’t amount to too much.One last thing: I’ll attach a sweet spreadsheet that helps out with knowing when and how long everyone is going to run and when the van exchanges take place. You just put in everyone’s name and their pace on sheet #2 (what I did was take everyone’s submitted 10K pace and then added 30seconds, for example my 10K pace was 6:30 but I actually ran the bourbon chase at about a 7:00 pace). We finished just 30 minutes ahead of schedule and most of that was because of inaccurate pace submission (not bad after 200miles!).
Sounds like we have some more discussions to talk about. The spreadsheet is pretty nice and I think I may forward it to Sand to put out on the google page as well, just so we can start filling in the blanks on that.Sorry, but I did not check FB last night so if anyone sent me messages, I did not get to them.
 
Whassup, dudes?! Just so you all know that I'm human, I thought I'd let you know that I wussed out on part of my VO2Max workout yesterday. Was scheduled for 9 with 3 x 1600M at 5K pace. Did a couple mile warmup, then knocked out the first repeat at 6:00. It was a little too fast, and I knew it, and unfortunately you can't "un-ring" the bell. Fluck. Did a 4-minute recovery jog, then did #2 at 6:08. Another 4-minute jog, and I started #3 (into the wind) but bailed after about a quarter-mile when I felt like I was gonna puke. Probably could've/should've pushed through it, but I bailed. Whatever. Did the rest of the run at GA pace. Overall 9 miles at 7:22 average pace.

This morning was an easy 5-mile recovery run at 8:44 pace, and tonight was another swim lesson. And I ordered this bike trainer tonight on the advice of a couple friends and a local tri coach. I'm still planning on training relatively hard for Boston, but I hope to do enough of this other stuff to take a shot at a half IM next June. If all goes well, I may have a different focus for 2012....

In the meantime, 8 days 'til the first real shot at sub-3.... :goodposting:
Wait, WHAT!? Things in the pool going well? Did I miss a post on which one you are thinking about? Have I sent you a copy of the HIM plan I used? If not, do you want a copy? BTW, you'll want to add this month's cover athlete from Triathlete Magazine, Angi Greene, to your stable of FB hottness.Trail Racing for me this weekend on one of MI's toughest trails, IMO. No river crossings or mud pits, just hilly, twisty, rocky, horse poopy goodness. 4/5ths of the dirt team, missing Tri-Man, will be there and I made jars of Spicy Garlic pickles back in August for the Bloody Mary after. I have been a bit aimless with training. I have been getting in lots of everything, but the pool has been the only place I have been working hard. Did 12-200 yard sprint sets on Monday & followed it up with 5-500 yard hard sets on Wednesday. Not so sure Wednesday was such a good idea. I had just driven back from Indy that afternoon, about 5 hours, and was only out of the car about 45 minutes before the swim. I was underfed & a bit dehydrated. All day yesterday I felt some kind of funky fatigue.

Good luck Dexter (and Turkish Harem, right) doing the not so cold IceMan this weekend. You've got what looks like perfect conditions for a fast race!

 
Wait, WHAT!? Things in the pool going well? Did I miss a post on which one you are thinking about? Have I sent you a copy of the HIM plan I used? If not, do you want a copy?
I've only had three lessons, and so far we've really just been doing drills. But she sees enough good things that she's confident that she can get me there, and I trust her.Tentative goal would be to do the long course Green Bay Triathlon (800-yard, 29M, 10K) on June 5, and then assuming that goes well, the High Cliff Triathlon (Half IM) a couple weeks later on June 18. That being said, I still have a LONG way to go before I can even start thinking about this stuff seriously.

Not really sure how I'm going to handle the training, since I still wanna do a decent job at Boston. But if you could send me that plan of yours, that would be great. I think you have my E-mail address, but let me know if you need it. Thx!!

 
Everybody...looking for some quick advice. I am registered for a 5 mile run on the 20th of November. Haven't run in about 2.5 weeks due to some back issues I was having. Chiropractor just gave me the thumbs up to start training again. Obviously I don't have a lot of time. Before the injury I was procrastinating on my training a bit but could do 4 miles at my race pace without much strain. Will try my first good run today (had done some walking over the last two weeks, but not much). Any thoughts/ideas/suggestions on what I should do in these two weeks to give me my best chance at a decent performance for the race? I want to be somewhat aggressive training, but don't want to have any setbacks on my back pain.

 
Now that I have finished a half-marathon, I want to begin training now for next year's event. Unfortunately the few plans I have found online are only for the 16 weeks heading up to the event and start out relatively easy. I want to build on what I have already accomplished and not start over.

Are there any 50 week plans out there to prepare? If not, can one off you experts provide some advice or suggest some workouts?

The next question is what is a realistic goal from 1 year to the next? I ran this year in 1:57:00. Is 1:50:00 achievable? How about 1:44:00? I want a tough (but realistic goal).

 
Tentative goal would be to do the long course Green Bay Triathlon (800-yard, 29M, 10K) on June 5, and then assuming that goes well, the High Cliff Triathlon (Half IM) a couple weeks later on June 18. That being said, I still have a LONG way to go before I can even start thinking about this stuff seriously.
Gruecd - coming off of Boston in mid-April, and not having a background with triathlons, the Half IM in mid-June is ambitious. You'll be challenged to build a full base in all the disciplines while also being adequately prepared for Boston. Another option is the Steelhead tri in St. Joseph, MI in August. I know the June race is in your backyard, but coming off Boston, you'll need some recovery time, and your tri training really needs to be complete by early June. That only leaves about a five week window for serious training ..and again, that presumes you've built a base through the winter. Polish Hammer - can you get to a track and doing some running on that softer surface? If you need to run in a city, try to stay on the grass, at least. As to the training, you might try a couple of miles today, and then on alternating days build to 3, 4, then 5 miles (or add 1/2 or 3/4 mile to each run). You should be able to build up until about 3-4 days before the race and then still be rested for the race itself.

Flying Turtle - I wouldn't try to find a looong-term training plan. Instead, just build up your infrastructure - strength work (upper and lower body), flexibility, core training, and long, slow runs to build your aerobic capacity. Add in some accelerations, or long strides, or tempo runs as desired to keep sharp. If someone can find that post with the link about key training aspects (back from the time of the Marine marathon), it had very helpful comments about how to improve your ' operating systems.'

 
Tentative goal would be to do the long course Green Bay Triathlon (800-yard, 29M, 10K) on June 5, and then assuming that goes well, the High Cliff Triathlon (Half IM) a couple weeks later on June 18. That being said, I still have a LONG way to go before I can even start thinking about this stuff seriously.
Gruecd - coming off of Boston in mid-April, and not having a background with triathlons, the Half IM in mid-June is ambitious.
Is it just "ambitious," or is it "impossible" or "stupid?" Ambitious has never stopped me before. Frankly, stupid hasn't, either.
 
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Turtle: I recommend you go to Runner's World Smart Coach and plug in what you are training for, and use "maintenance" when asked how hard you want to train. It will give you a long term workout that slowly peaks and drops down.

Gruecd: We need more info on how your swimming is going! Take it from me, trying to train for a HIM in 6 weeks is not all that it's cracked up to be. I do believe I could have had a really good race this weekend had I not been injured, but my training escalated waaaaaaaay too quickly (distance on bike increased 20%+ per week, and run was over 15%) which I'm certain caused the injury.

Hammer: There is no need to build up to any more than a 5 mile run. Slowly increase your mileage each week = don't increase more than 10% per week (do as I say not as I do!), get in one speed workout per week max, and have a blast!

Good luck to Dexter, Turkish, 2Young and Workhorse this weekend!

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My update:

I did my final workout last night. It was a 100, 500, 1000, 500, 100 swim that felt pretty darn good. More importantly, there was zero new damage to my shoulder!! Also good, as my calf feels even better today. I know I'm going to race the swim this weekend, which will be nice as I've never raced that far, and it will be good for me to get in another open water swim. I also know I REALLY want to race the 56 mile bike ride. I've never hurt my calf on the bike, so hopefully I'll be able to say that next week. The run is also a a 4.36 mile loop done 3x = I won't be in the middle of nowhere IF I try the run :excited: I'm going to play it by ear, and just see what I can do. My expectations are that I'll just finish the swim. Anything I can do beyond that without further injury will be awesome.

The weather report right now = :lmao: The expected temp at 5 am is 40 degrees; 8 am is 50 degrees and high is 74, which is flippin' freezing for down here!

 
Tentative goal would be to do the long course Green Bay Triathlon (800-yard, 29M, 10K) on June 5, and then assuming that goes well, the High Cliff Triathlon (Half IM) a couple weeks later on June 18. That being said, I still have a LONG way to go before I can even start thinking about this stuff seriously.
Gruecd - coming off of Boston in mid-April, and not having a background with triathlons, the Half IM in mid-June is ambitious.
Is it just "ambitious," or is it "impossible" or "stupid?" Ambitious has never stopped me before. Frankly, stupid hasn't, either.
I hope people around here know better than to tell you anything is "impossible." Take a look at 2Y's plan, build your own and see what you think in a couple of months based on your progress with swimming and the bike.

 
Tentative goal would be to do the long course Green Bay Triathlon (800-yard, 29M, 10K) on June 5, and then assuming that goes well, the High Cliff Triathlon (Half IM) a couple weeks later on June 18. That being said, I still have a LONG way to go before I can even start thinking about this stuff seriously.
Gruecd - coming off of Boston in mid-April, and not having a background with triathlons, the Half IM in mid-June is ambitious.
Is it just "ambitious," or is it "impossible" or "stupid?" Ambitious has never stopped me before. Frankly, stupid hasn't, either.
I'd say crazy, but the good kind of crazy. The impossible is nothing kind of crazy. Here is the thing, the swim in that GB tri is a little too short, IMO, for you to know if you can do the HIM swim. I would be MUCH more comfortable telling you to go for the High Cliff HIM knowing you've done the 1500M Oly swim. Your fitness could get you through the bike and the run portions (hell, a 1/2 marathon is a walk in the park for you), but if you can't make it through the swim, the bike and the run aren't all that relevant anyway. Tuck this away. If you cant find a spring Oly close to home, there is one close to me here the last weekend in May and another on 6/5 in Grand Rapids. My plan for next year is all sprints, all the time, but I'd be willing to do the Oly at either if I can offer up some kind of swim support (and I'll rope Dexter and Turkish in for the Detroit one & or Tri-Man for the one in GR)!
 
Turtle: I recommend you go to Runner's World Smart Coach and plug in what you are training for, and use "maintenance" when asked how hard you want to train. It will give you a long term workout that slowly peaks and drops down.

Gruecd: We need more info on how your swimming is going! Take it from me, trying to train for a HIM in 6 weeks is not all that it's cracked up to be. I do believe I could have had a really good race this weekend had I not been injured, but my training escalated waaaaaaaay too quickly (distance on bike increased 20%+ per week, and run was over 15%) which I'm certain caused the injury.

Hammer: There is no need to build up to any more than a 5 mile run. Slowly increase your mileage each week = don't increase more than 10% per week (do as I say not as I do!), get in one speed workout per week max, and have a blast!

Good luck to Dexter, Turkish, 2Young and Workhorse this weekend!

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My update:

I did my final workout last night. It was a 100, 500, 1000, 500, 100 swim that felt pretty darn good. More importantly, there was zero new damage to my shoulder!! Also good, as my calf feels even better today. I know I'm going to race the swim this weekend, which will be nice as I've never raced that far, and it will be good for me to get in another open water swim. I also know I REALLY want to race the 56 mile bike ride. I've never hurt my calf on the bike, so hopefully I'll be able to say that next week. The run is also a a 4.36 mile loop done 3x = I won't be in the middle of nowhere IF I try the run :shrug: I'm going to play it by ear, and just see what I can do. My expectations are that I'll just finish the swim. Anything I can do beyond that without further injury will be awesome.

The weather report right now = :shock: The expected temp at 5 am is 40 degrees; 8 am is 50 degrees and high is 74, which is flippin' freezing for down here!
I just have a feeling with the right mixture of adrenaline, will power and a bit of :loco: you are going to pull this off.
 
2Young2BBald said:
I just have a feeling with the right mixture of adrenaline, will power and a bit of :football: you are going to pull this off.
:fingerscrossed: as it will take a lot of :loco: Grue: IF you can get to where you can swim 1 mile, and you can slowly build your bike mileage, I see no reason why you can't do it. I had a very small swimming base, and haven't had more than 10 training swims in the six weeks that I trained for this race; I started with ZERO bike miles the month previous; and hadn't had a long run of greater than 7 miles the four months previous.

 
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I slacked off today. Still feeling the sinus cold thing that I have going on and just could not drag my sorry butt out of bed to get in 8 before work. I think it is going to be a USRD, but I need it. I just want my body to rest up a bit more. The good news is that if I do my 6 tomorrow and my planned 13 on Sunday, I will be a half mile short of 2000 miles for the year. I think I am going to go the extra half mile on Sunday just to knock it out. Sunday is my b-day so what a cool gift to myself.

Bourbon Chasers:

Our 12th man, and experienced Bourbon Chaser sent me an email last night with a bunch of tips in it. Here is what he said:

Just FYI, the two main things to consider early is van rental and hotel:

1. Van Rental (or not) - I’m not sure how far in advance van rental can even be done but I’ve heard you want to do that early if you want them (The number of van rentals for this thing is so great that it actually approaches the capacity of local rental companies). We just used two Suburbans this year and they worked fine (one Dan’s and the other was my brother Ryan’s). However, we only had one designated driver per vehicle. That meant that the majority of the time there was six people in the vehicle: One “driver”, and the five who aren’t running. When no one in our van was running there was seven but that was not too bad. Two drivers (as suggested by the organizers) would have made it a little crowded. But, if you have two drivers or don’t know anyone with large vehicles I would suggest renting the 15 passenger vans.

2. Hotel – There are three possible nights in which you may consider a hotel room and I’m sure teams have chosen any combination of none, one, two or all three: Thursday, Friday, and Saturday. I think this has a lot to do with your start time/pace.

o Thursday - Some teams with a slower pace that have an earlier start time tend to stay at a hotel the night before rather than getting up really early to get there. My logic is that if you know you are only going to get a few hours sleep at best the next night, you don’t want to be sleep deprived going into it. My teams did not do this either year because we had a start time around 11:30am each time. I’m assuming your team is going to have a faster pace than us (9:10/mile average) hence a later start time so you may not consider this option but I’m not sure.

o Friday – You can reserve a couple rooms near the middle of the course so that when your van is “inactive” you can go to the room to shower or just get a good place to rest/sleep. The team I was on did not do this the first year but we did it this year. It was definitely worth it (for two rooms, $180/12 people = only $15/person). It went something like this: After the first major exchange at maker’s mark (5pm), van 1 went to Danville to check in at the hotel just to rest and shower but it was too early in the day to actually sleep. They then made a short trip to the town of Needmore for the next major exchange (10pm). Van 2 then went to the same hotel rooms to shower/sleep taking their own sleeping bags/blankets, sleeping on top of the bed. Van 2 then took a very short drive to the exchange in Danville for the next exchange (3:30am). Van 1 then went to the same rooms again to sleep since the bedding was undisturbed from the other van. Van 1 then checked out and had to get to Four Roses (8am) which was a little longer drive maybe 35-40min. The only twist to this is if you have runners doing a significantly faster pace. We really didn’t have a whole lot of time averaging just over a 9 minute mile. I don’t know if it would be worth it if we were doing sub 7:00 miles (not sure what most people will be running). But it was really nice to get one shower and have a nice place to lay down. That’s just something to consider. I think you can wait a while on these reservations and still be okay.

o Saturday – Some like to stay the night in Lexington the night after because you can finish anywhere from 3 – 9pm on Saturday (although probably 5-7 pm if people are accurate on their paces). Personally, I liked just staying at the after party for about an hour then heading home. You are so tired you just want to get home to your own bed. Then you can have the whole next day to sort through everything at home and get the vans cleaned out to return. But, I’m not sure how that will work if people are from out of town. They may prefer to stay there.

One more thing: make sure people understand their paces that they submit. I don’t know why it is so hard to understand but people want to submit paces that they think they will run at the bourbon chase. And that is not correct. They need to submit a 10K pace that they would run if they were only running a single 10K as fast as they can. The first year, most people submitted their times incorrectly and we actually had to wait 1 hour for one of the exchanges to open. So, I tried to really stress this and there were a couple people who still didn’t submit it correct. But only having a couple people’s paces off a little doesn’t amount to too much.

One last thing: I’ll attach a sweet spreadsheet that helps out with knowing when and how long everyone is going to run and when the van exchanges take place. You just put in everyone’s name and their pace on sheet #2 (what I did was take everyone’s submitted 10K pace and then added 30seconds, for example my 10K pace was 6:30 but I actually ran the bourbon chase at about a 7:00 pace). We finished just 30 minutes ahead of schedule and most of that was because of inaccurate pace submission (not bad after 200miles!).
Sounds like we have some more discussions to talk about. The spreadsheet is pretty nice and I think I may forward it to Sand to put out on the google page as well, just so we can start filling in the blanks on that.Sorry, but I did not check FB last night so if anyone sent me messages, I did not get to them.
Forward the file - I'll adapt it. I'll PM you my email addy. One of the things I was going to do next year was to generate a team FFA race booklet with this kind of information in it along with driving directions, schedules, and such. I've even thought that perhaps renting a GPS tracker unit like this might be interesting - we can keep track of runners that way. Even if we don't keep track of the individual runner I figure we'll have two "team phones" that have GPS tracking enabled on them. Mine does that readily. That way we'll always know where the other van is. We will for sure be the most geeked out team out there. Nothing less for the FFA will do.I still say we try and get a dedicated driver for each van and get 15 passenger vans. I think the spreading out room will be appreciated.

I think it should be noted that when I was looking at the start times of the teams I believe we will be starting later in the day. I expect a 2pm-3pm start or so. We should have plenty of time to make the journey to the start line.

 

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