What's new
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

Ran a 10k in June (5 Viewers)

Congrats to Workhorse and Darrin on outstanding races!!

This thread moves so fast - I fall behind and don't want to miss anyone on their acheivements, and I just never have the time to cover everything... so forgive me as I update my stuff and start trying to keep up going forward (again).

I had several weeks of good runs and even a couple of 35 mile bike rides, but the past week or so the wheels have suddenly come off. My hammys were continuing to bother me, so I had a massage on Wed last week to try & work it out. Then ran on Friday morning and had to quit the run because both of my ankles were hurting quite a bit. Ran last night and by the end of 10 miles (mostly in the dark) my legs felt like they were going to fall off: hammys, achilles, ankles and hips ALL hurt. I think it has to do with the TaeKwonDo classes x2/week, because we've been doing a fair amount of jumping/conditioning work and sparring. I'm hoping I can just work through it. I'd really like to do a 1/2 mary on Thanksgiving to close out the season before going into P90X mode in December, but at this point I'm just hoping to get through speedwork tomorrow.

 
My half marathon yesterday pretty much sucked, but it's my own fault. I wasn't horribly motivated for this race, so I was out until bar close on Friday night drinking beer and doing shots of Patron. Ran the race untrained on four hours of sleep, dehydrated, etc. Finished in 1:31:12, average 6:58/mile. I was #38/924 overall and #10/81 M30-34. Whatever.
I should really pay more attention to this thread and maybe I could have met G; I did the 1/6 "barrel" race (1/6th of a mary or about 4.4 miles) with a bunch of people from my wife's work. I was still recovering from achilles tendonitis that was aggrevated at the Haunted Hustle half marathon the previous week (where I dressed as the Mad Hatter - pic here: Mad Hatter) as "document 2.pdf" file - blew up pretty good the last few miles there, but ran a 1:39:56 at that race). I ran with my wife since I had done my weight workout (moderately heavy squats) earlier in the day and wasn't feeling like I had fresh legs - still did 33:xx (close to 7:30 min/miles) good enough for 6th in my AG and something like 34th OA. I had done the half at the Tyranena race previous years and Sat. was a great day for running/drinking beer!
 
I should really pay more attention to this thread and maybe I could have met G
It was a great day! When the wind was at my back, I actually felt hot out there!P.S. The first half of the half marathon course is a hilly SOB. Wow.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
MILF in our preschool ran yesterday - finished around 4:42 IIRC. Was very cool to track her on the iPhone (there's an app). 40 y.o., mother of two, I would guess around 5'4" - 100 lbs. Third marathon in a year (NYC x2, Boston last spring).So...starting from scratch, how long would it take to train for a marathon? Is 2012 doable? Or would 2013 be more realistic? I'm 49 y.o., average height/weight/build, work out 3-4 times per week (30-40 minutes cardio, 20-30 light lifting). I don't run at all. 25-30 years ago I used to run 30-40 miles per week, usually in 4-8 mile increments.
I think 2012 is doable for sure, BL. Starting now would allow you to take baby-steps towards doing the however-many-week training program you pick for the race. Since you don't have the running in your legs, the key IMO will be starting slow, building miles and staying healthy (keeping a steady eye on any ache that comes up and nipping it/understanding it in the bud as soon as possible) until you start a focused marathon training program. And get good/properly-fitted running shoes. You do it, I'll join for some runs in CP. Of course, that would mean that I'd have to start running again, so maybe this is all a bad idea.

 
My half marathon yesterday pretty much sucked, but it's my own fault. I wasn't horribly motivated for this race, so I was out until bar close on Friday night drinking beer and doing shots of Patron. Ran the race untrained on four hours of sleep, dehydrated, etc. Finished in 1:31:12, average 6:58/mile. I was #38/924 overall and #10/81 M30-34. Whatever.
I should really pay more attention to this thread and maybe I could have met G; I did the 1/6 "barrel" race (1/6th of a mary or about 4.4 miles) with a bunch of people from my wife's work. I was still recovering from achilles tendonitis that was aggrevated at the Haunted Hustle half marathon the previous week (where I dressed as the Mad Hatter - pic here: Mad Hatter) as "document 2.pdf" file - blew up pretty good the last few miles there, but ran a 1:39:56 at that race). I ran with my wife since I had done my weight workout (moderately heavy squats) earlier in the day and wasn't feeling like I had fresh legs - still did 33:xx (close to 7:30 min/miles) good enough for 6th in my AG and something like 34th OA. I had done the half at the Tyranena race previous years and Sat. was a great day for running/drinking beer!
you ran sub 1:40 in that incredible costume? :lmao: : :excited:
 
It's been a while since I've poked my head in here, so I figured I'd drop in and give an update. My end of season back 2 back HIMs went pretty well, did the Augusta 70.3 (in about 5:20) and the Anderson Rev3 70.3 (in about 5:40) two weeks apart, and I spent this past weekend down in Panama City Beach volunterring at Ironman Florida. Signed up for next year's race yesterday :unsure: Looks like everyone in here is rocking out - saw a couple of race PRs lately, and some first-time marathons as well.
WOW! That's a lot of racing for the year ...and a lot of solid times. 5:20 PR for the HIM? Impressive!!! You definitely must be doing some fast biking to achieve that kind of time.
 
BobbyLane: 18-20 weeks is plenty of time to get yourself ready for a marathon if you follow a set plan. I'd find the race you want to do, then post back here to get a ton of feedback on how to get ready for it. Some of it might actually even be helpful.

ThreeThousand: 5:20 HIM = smoking!

Ned: My groin/hip feel darn good. Crazy how they feel so much better right now, then they did when I was doing PT, stretching and resting to try to help them heal. Having an appropriate diagnosis rocks. I have the same constant ache, but it feels better after rides, and has zero pain during them.

Wraith: Your injuries/aches are likely all connected. When one part of the bod starts to fail, the other areas compensate. Hopefully you can work through it.

JFT: Love the Mad Hatter!!!!

 
FWIW: tomorrow (11/8) will be a full year since my last race; the final straw to my old body failing. I looked it up to see how close I would have been to ThreeThousand's 5:20, had I not been injured. I was right on pace for a 5:20 (38:00 swim; 1:30 T1; 2:46:00 bike; 2:45 T2; 8:30 pace run), though I don't think I could have maintained my running pace over the last six miles. Going one full year without a race is no bueno. I will not allow it to happen again.

Noteworthy = To find the post, I had to go back 145 pages, and back 7,227 posts! Not a bad year!]

 
Last edited by a moderator:
So felt good enough for a 4 miler last night.

Didn't push anything, just went out with a comfortable pace and tried to hold the same pace and HR (did not pay attention to pace as much as I ran).

Ended up around 10 min/mi and the HR stayed around 145-147 the whole time.

Felt good about that and felt good after the run and today.

Still have some lingering sinus issues (which I generally have anyway).

 
PSL - I was getting interested in hearing you close the deal with 2 (!) cougars, then worried when it sounded like you might be closing with your best friend's wife instead. Keep the stories coming. Oh yeah, training stuff is good too, blah, blah ;) Seriously - it's so great to hear that you are getting back in shape and are relatively pain-free.

Bobby Layne - You can definitely do a marathon in 2012. I'm a little more conservative than some here, so I'd suggest maybe you start out doing a half marathon training plan for a late Spring marathon to get in shape and build your base, then target Fall for your full marathon. But I have no question you can do one next year, whichever way you decide to go.

Wraith - Great to see you, GB. Just say "hi" whenever you have a chance. I love your last post, it's so typical - "Yeah, it really hurts a lot, so I'm just going to keep on doing everything, plus add speed work."

JFT - nice running, unbelievable effort with the Mad Hatter costume. I'm actually thinking about creating a costume for the Winter Solstice 5-miler I'm doing the weekend before Christmas - the race is really just a big holiday party. I'm envisioning wearing the top half of a reindeer suit (with antlers) and putting on a red nose, then figuring out some way to hook a toy sleigh with a mini-Santa in it to my shoulders - the shtick would be that I would look like Rudolph pulling the sleigh. This will be a month after my marathon, so I could care less about running it fast.

El Floppo - wait.... I really do hope that nobody turns away from this thread because they feel like they're not a good enough runner. I was just getting ready for my first 5k in decades when I joined this thread, and truly credit so much of my running gains since then to the folks in here.

Speaking of which, what a great run this morning. How I love turning the clocks back - the sun actually came up before the end of my run this morning. Today was the first workout of the three-week taper, so I set out to run however I felt like running for 5 miles. Knowing that the highest mileage is behind me made me feel refreshed and put a little spring in my step.

My miles went: 8:30, 7:58, 7:33, 7:19 (passed a couple of guys from the neighborhood right at the start of this mile and felt inspired to show them a little speed on my way by) and then 6:54 to finish. I swear I had the third or fourth genuine "runner's high" of my life in that last mile. With about a half-mile to go, I was running up the short but steep hill near the end of my circuit and as I climbed, I had this mental image of how it feels to be in an old-fashioned roller coaster when you're climbing the first hill and the car engages with the chain which pulls you up to the top. And suddenly I felt like I had this chain extending from my chest that was pulling me forward faster and faster - as I reached the top of the hill I felt like had to turn my legs over faster and faster just to keep up, but then I relaxed and focused on running as easy as I could and let "the chain" do all the work of pulling me forward.

Finally, with about .03 of a mile left, I looked at my watch and saw that I could break 7:00 for the final mile (and get a gold star for my running log!) with a finishing sprint, so I ran hard at the very end. After feeling kind of beat down with the mileage and long runs over the last few weeks, it was great to cut loose a little.

It was also a bit humbling to realize that the pace I ran for exactly one mile when I felt like I was flying is still slower than what Grue ran for 26.2 when he went sub-3.

 
PSL - I was getting interested in hearing you close the deal with 2 (!) cougars, then worried when it sounded like you might be closing with your best friend's wife instead. Keep the stories coming. Oh yeah, training stuff is good too, blah, blah ;) Seriously - it's so great to hear that you are getting back in shape and are relatively pain-free.

Bobby Layne - You can definitely do a marathon in 2012. I'm a little more conservative than some here, so I'd suggest maybe you start out doing a half marathon training plan for a late Spring marathon to get in shape and build your base, then target Fall for your full marathon. But I have no question you can do one next year, whichever way you decide to go.

Wraith - Great to see you, GB. Just say "hi" whenever you have a chance. I love your last post, it's so typical - "Yeah, it really hurts a lot, so I'm just going to keep on doing everything, plus add speed work."

JFT - nice running, unbelievable effort with the Mad Hatter costume. I'm actually thinking about creating a costume for the Winter Solstice 5-miler I'm doing the weekend before Christmas - the race is really just a big holiday party. I'm envisioning wearing the top half of a reindeer suit (with antlers) and putting on a red nose, then figuring out some way to hook a toy sleigh with a mini-Santa in it to my shoulders - the shtick would be that I would look like Rudolph pulling the sleigh. This will be a month after my marathon, so I could care less about running it fast.

El Floppo - wait.... I really do hope that nobody turns away from this thread because they feel like they're not a good enough runner. I was just getting ready for my first 5k in decades when I joined this thread, and truly credit so much of my running gains since then to the folks in here.

Speaking of which, what a great run this morning. How I love turning the clocks back - the sun actually came up before the end of my run this morning. Today was the first workout of the three-week taper, so I set out to run however I felt like running for 5 miles. Knowing that the highest mileage is behind me made me feel refreshed and put a little spring in my step.

My miles went: 8:30, 7:58, 7:33, 7:19 (passed a couple of guys from the neighborhood right at the start of this mile and felt inspired to show them a little speed on my way by) and then 6:54 to finish. I swear I had the third or fourth genuine "runner's high" of my life in that last mile. With about a half-mile to go, I was running up the short but steep hill near the end of my circuit and as I climbed, I had this mental image of how it feels to be in an old-fashioned roller coaster when you're climbing the first hill and the car engages with the chain which pulls you up to the top. And suddenly I felt like I had this chain extending from my chest that was pulling me forward faster and faster - as I reached the top of the hill I felt like had to turn my legs over faster and faster just to keep up, but then I relaxed and focused on running as easy as I could and let "the chain" do all the work of pulling me forward.

Finally, with about .03 of a mile left, I looked at my watch and saw that I could break 7:00 for the final mile (and get a gold star for my running log!) with a finishing sprint, so I ran hard at the very end. After feeling kind of beat down with the mileage and long runs over the last few weeks, it was great to cut loose a little.

It was also a bit humbling to realize that the pace I ran for exactly one mile when I felt like I was flying is still slower than what Grue ran for 26.2 when he went sub-3.
Great run. I have not been able to get myself up in the morning, but the opportunity to start out in the dark and see the sun rise always makes for a great start to my day. I need to do more of it though.I ended up taking last night off after a heavy meal. I hope to go out tonight and do 10 if my real life will let me. I don't think it should be a problem though.

Have a great day all.

 
Speaking of which, what a great run this morning. How I love turning the clocks back - the sun actually came up before the end of my run this morning. Today was the first workout of the three-week taper, so I set out to run however I felt like running for 5 miles. Knowing that the highest mileage is behind me made me feel refreshed and put a little spring in my step.My miles went: 8:30, 7:58, 7:33, 7:19 (passed a couple of guys from the neighborhood right at the start of this mile and felt inspired to show them a little speed on my way by) and then 6:54 to finish. I swear I had the third or fourth genuine "runner's high" of my life in that last mile. With about a half-mile to go, I was running up the short but steep hill near the end of my circuit and as I climbed, I had this mental image of how it feels to be in an old-fashioned roller coaster when you're climbing the first hill and the car engages with the chain which pulls you up to the top. And suddenly I felt like I had this chain extending from my chest that was pulling me forward faster and faster - as I reached the top of the hill I felt like had to turn my legs over faster and faster just to keep up, but then I relaxed and focused on running as easy as I could and let "the chain" do all the work of pulling me forward.Finally, with about .03 of a mile left, I looked at my watch and saw that I could break 7:00 for the final mile (and get a gold star for my running log!) with a finishing sprint, so I ran hard at the very end. After feeling kind of beat down with the mileage and long runs over the last few weeks, it was great to cut loose a little.It was also a bit humbling to realize that the pace I ran for exactly one mile when I felt like I was flying is still slower than what Grue ran for 26.2 when he went sub-3.
:thumbup: :thumbup:
 
Yo gents.

Completed the 18 mile Shut-In Ridge Run. I'll pen together a race report later but will leave a couple of quick notes.

17.8 miles, 5305 ft climbing, 2464 ft descending, mostly single track

Goal time was 4 hrs, finished in 3h59m41s

Advertised as "destorying quads for over 30 years" wasn't an understatement

You bikers have heard of HC (beyond category), not only did that apply to the course, I beyond-Sanded the first mile with a 7:48 relative to my 14 min pace the rest of the way.

According to my software, I was at the over-reaching training effect zone at 32 minutes and held it there for the rest of the race. Average hr was 153 which is mid zone 3 for me.

 
FWIW: tomorrow (11/8) will be a full year since my last race; the final straw to my old body failing. I looked it up to see how close I would have been to ThreeThousand's 5:20, had I not been injured. I was right on pace for a 5:20 (38:00 swim; 1:30 T1; 2:46:00 bike; 2:45 T2; 8:30 pace run), though I don't think I could have maintained my running pace over the last six miles. Going one full year without a race is no bueno. I will not allow it to happen again.

Noteworthy = To find the post, I had to go back 145 pages, and back 7,227 posts! Not a bad year!]
Nice :thumbup:
 
BnB - You are a BEAST! Congrats on a great run. Those elevation numbers :eek:

This taper so far has been totally different from my first marathon taper. Things are really falling into place nicely. The aches and pains are gone, I'm sleeping better, and I'm surprisingly seeing big running improvements. Today was a 7mi GA run and was another silky smooth run where I felt like I was gliding along almost effortlessly.

8:45 @ 148 HR. That HR is probably More like 150-151 as I had a traffic stop and another unexpected stop thanks to a dog. I was just truckin' along and looked up to see a rather large fellow in a hoodie with his hood up and walking a huge Pitt Bull. He stopped on the side walk and the dog was on full alert. All I saw was the dog's perked ears and big barrel chest. I stopped, looked back, and waited for a spot in traffic and jumped out into the road and ran by with about 20yds between us. F THAT!

I just got my confirmation email with race details. It looks like they're taking a cue from the NYC marathon and will be doing text, email, and social media updates. They're also doing a live map update. Cool stuff. :thumbup:

 
BnB - You are a BEAST! Congrats on a great run. Those elevation numbers :eek:
:goodposting: Uber impressive, BnB!!! Way to beat your time goal. lol I can't imagine that amount of climbing.
I just got my confirmation email with race details. It looks like they're taking a cue from the NYC marathon and will be doing text, email, and social media updates. They're also doing a live map update. Cool stuff. :thumbup:
:thumbup: :thumbup:
 
BnB - You are a BEAST! Congrats on a great run. Those elevation numbers :eek:
:goodposting: Uber impressive, BnB!!! Way to beat your time goal. lol I can't imagine that amount of climbing.
Seriously BNB. I remember a post way back in August of 2009, from you after I ran a 1/2 Mary at 10,000 feet of altitude talking about how hard you were finding running on flat ground. I :bow: to your trail running and how far you've come!!!
 
'BassNBrew said:
Yo gents.

Completed the 18 mile Shut-In Ridge Run. I'll pen together a race report later but will leave a couple of quick notes.

17.8 miles, 5305 ft climbing, 2464 ft descending, mostly single track

Goal time was 4 hrs, finished in 3h59m41s

Advertised as "destorying quads for over 30 years" wasn't an understatement

You bikers have heard of HC (beyond category), not only did that apply to the course, I beyond-Sanded the first mile with a 7:48 relative to my 14 min pace the rest of the way.

According to my software, I was at the over-reaching training effect zone at 32 minutes and held it there for the rest of the race. Average hr was 153 which is mid zone 3 for me.
Goodness that is awesome. Congrats on the spectacular race and meeting your goal time.Oh and

I beyond-Sanded the first mile with a 7:48 relative to my 14 min pace the rest of the way.
:wub: Perfect way to run the race - Sand style. Sprint the first mile and hang on for the next 17!
 
So...starting from scratch, how long would it take to train for a marathon? Is 2012 doable? Or would 2013 be more realistic? I'm 49 y.o., average height/weight/build, work out 3-4 times per week (30-40 minutes cardio, 20-30 light lifting). I don't run at all. 25-30 years ago I used to run 30-40 miles per week, usually in 4-8 mile increments.
I worked with a guy who was 34 and about 30lbs overweight. A guy who used to be athletic before but let himself go a bit. First couple of times we went out he could barely do 3 miles. Within a year he had completed 2 marathons.I think you could do a marathon (no walking) in 6mos no problem if you train correctly.

 
To join in on the fun...

I have a half marathon on Jan 22nd and just started training. It will be my 3rd half. My PR is 1:45:38, 8:04 pace. Goal is sub 8min pace so I need to chop off about a minute.

Pretty much using the Hal Higdon Advanced program. First time I've done this much strength training and tempo runs so we'll see how that goes. Last time I was simply doing a lot of 4 and 6.5 mile runs 5 days a week with a few 10 milers before the race.

Depending on how this half goes I may do my first full later in 2012 - San Diego Rock n Roll.

 
To join in on the fun...I have a half marathon on Jan 22nd and just started training. It will be my 3rd half. My PR is 1:45:38, 8:04 pace. Goal is sub 8min pace so I need to chop off about a minute.Pretty much using the Hal Higdon Advanced program. First time I've done this much strength training and tempo runs so we'll see how that goes. Last time I was simply doing a lot of 4 and 6.5 mile runs 5 days a week with a few 10 milers before the race.Depending on how this half goes I may do my first full later in 2012 - San Diego Rock n Roll.
More focused training and some experience should get you there just fine!
 
Ned: Other than a good race, nothing beats a good taper. They are a rare beast!

BnB: :shock: Awesome that you met your goal, and also great to hear that you SandedTM it. That elevation is scary.

The_Man: I loved the roller coaster analogy and great to hear about getting a runner's high = another rare beast!

El Floppo: Hike up your skirt and git yo butt back in here.

ShoNuff: So glad you are feeling better and back at it :thumbup:

__________________________

My update:

Monday I did a hard 45 minutes on the elliptical, while following the visualization advice given my 2Young. While on the elliptical I was extremely focused on visualizing the nearby coeds in all sorts of "athletic" positions. I think it will really help my future performances.

Yesterday I had tired legs and went out for a morning bike ride. The winds were moderate (13-15 MPH) for this time of year, so I didn't have too high of expectations. The 21 mile route I chose would have me going out with the wind and returning directly into it. My early pace and HR were really low. Around mile 10 I decided to see if I could keep it as an all miles 20 MPH+. Through 14 miles I was averaging 21.5 MPH prior to heading back into the wind for the last 7. Mile 15 and 16 were just under 3:00 without too much effort. Mile 17 was straight into the wind, with a large net elevation gain. .2 into it, my HR was up to 175. I figured it was go time, and that I was going to go sub 3:00 regardless of the needed effort. I hit the pinnacle of the elevation at .85, and was at 3:02, with HR at 182. I put the hammer down as the hill leveled off and finished the mile at 2:59 with HR at 185. I tried to get my HR back down, but being directly into the wind the next mile was also brutal. With only a slight rise in elevation I was able to finish it in 2:58 with HR 181. Mile 19 was darn level, and my HR still stayed right at 180 for another 2:58. I was shot at this point, and two miles from home. The last two miles are a side wind and I likely could have maintained 20 mph, but figured I'd already done some damage. I decided to coast in and cool down, and finished with two 3:30's for 21.2 miles at 21.0 MPH. That was by far the hardest I've pushed myself so far and was pretty beat up the rest of the day yesterday. I'm a bit sore today, but not bad.

 
Ned: Other than a good race, nothing beats a good taper. They are a rare beast!

BnB: :shock: Awesome that you met your goal, and also great to hear that you SandedTM it. That elevation is scary.

The_Man: I loved the roller coaster analogy and great to hear about getting a runner's high = another rare beast!

El Floppo: Hike up your skirt and git yo butt back in here.

ShoNuff: So glad you are feeling better and back at it :thumbup:

__________________________

My update:

Monday I did a hard 45 minutes on the elliptical, while following the visualization advice given my 2Young. While on the elliptical I was extremely focused on visualizing the nearby coeds in all sorts of "athletic" positions. I think it will really help my future performances.

Yesterday I had tired legs and went out for a morning bike ride. The winds were moderate (13-15 MPH) for this time of year, so I didn't have too high of expectations. The 21 mile route I chose would have me going out with the wind and returning directly into it. My early pace and HR were really low. Around mile 10 I decided to see if I could keep it as an all miles 20 MPH+. Through 14 miles I was averaging 21.5 MPH prior to heading back into the wind for the last 7. Mile 15 and 16 were just under 3:00 without too much effort. Mile 17 was straight into the wind, with a large net elevation gain. .2 into it, my HR was up to 175. I figured it was go time, and that I was going to go sub 3:00 regardless of the needed effort. I hit the pinnacle of the elevation at .85, and was at 3:02, with HR at 182. I put the hammer down as the hill leveled off and finished the mile at 2:59 with HR at 185. I tried to get my HR back down, but being directly into the wind the next mile was also brutal. With only a slight rise in elevation I was able to finish it in 2:58 with HR 181. Mile 19 was darn level, and my HR still stayed right at 180 for another 2:58. I was shot at this point, and two miles from home. The last two miles are a side wind and I likely could have maintained 20 mph, but figured I'd already done some damage. I decided to coast in and cool down, and finished with two 3:30's for 21.2 miles at 21.0 MPH. That was by far the hardest I've pushed myself so far and was pretty beat up the rest of the day yesterday. I'm a bit sore today, but not bad.
As I look out my window the "gusts" have the leaves occasionally whispering keep that dang wind out west.
 
Ned: Other than a good race, nothing beats a good taper. They are a rare beast!

BnB: :shock: Awesome that you met your goal, and also great to hear that you SandedTM it. That elevation is scary.

The_Man: I loved the roller coaster analogy and great to hear about getting a runner's high = another rare beast!

El Floppo: Hike up your skirt and git yo butt back in here.

ShoNuff: So glad you are feeling better and back at it :thumbup:
I second and third all of the above, especially to floppo. Monday evening the Vit. C stopped helping and I was overtaken by a horrid cold, so no run yesterday. I am back at work today but still feeling it a bit so no run today. I am hoping to be able to do my normal 4.3 tomorrow evening then 8 on Saturday.

I may simply sign up for the 5K on Thanksgiving instead of the 10 miler.

 
Energy seems to be back today...(even with work trying to suck the life out of me).

Only another day and a half of that though before a day off to rest up and take care of a few things.

Putting together Christmas lists for family so far has been...

-Cash/gift certificates (for clothes as I keep losing weight and for shoes as I wear them out and more cooler weather running gear).

-Books...I know Pfitz's books have been recommended and guy at work also recommended Hudson's Run Faster so those are all on the list.

 
Hey all. Good work in here.

Ned - Enjoy the taper. I have always enjoyed the extra sleep during my tapers.

BNB - That elevation is just crazy. Great race though. What a challenge! Do you look for races like that all the time or are you just going through a little self torture phase in your life?

-------

Got out and ran 10 last night. Averaged just under 8:30 per for it. Not exactly what I wanted to do, but I have been just drained lately and it does not make a bit of difference how much sleep I get. I think I am going to up the miles this week then start getting the speed work in. I also think that I have figured out that I am a morning runner. I am just too tired from work and doing stuff with the kids that by the time night time comes around, I just don't have the energy. Now I just need to get some consistency out of it and make it a full time habit.

Have a great day all.

 
I may simply sign up for the 5K on Thanksgiving instead of the 10 miler.
Not acceptable! HTFU and do the 10.0 (says the guy who can't run around his block).
10 miler not 10K. I could do 6.2 if I had to.
Fixed. If you can do 6.2, what's another 3.8 :shrug:
Darrin, I agree with PSL on this one. If you can do 8 this weekend than I don't see any reason you can do 10 in 2 more weeks after that.
 
'pmbrown_22 said:
BNB - ...Do you look for races like that all the time or are you just going through a little self torture phase in your life?
For some reason I don't think this is a phase. I think BnB could find a way to make a 1 mile fun-run with your dog a beast of an event. While there are countless ways to make it more difficult, his would be hilarious (i.e., wearing stilts, being blindfolded, crawling all fours like the dog, running a marathon before, and a tri afterwords, etc.).
 
I just had to say something about a great taper, didn't I? :lol:

My legs were sluggish today. Enough to where I bagged the VO2 max workout and just made it a plain 8mi GA run. On the schedule was 8mi with 3x1600M VO2 Max. I did 2 warmup miles and could tell I was a bit off, but trudged forward. About 2/3 of the way thru the first repeat, I was fighting to get my legs to turnover. I was working way too hard to keep pace. Then it hit me. I thought to myself... "I better let off the gas pedal. I'm working way too hard. All I'm going to do is risk popping a hammy or something. F it, this isn't worth it". :kicksrock:

It was the smart thing to do, but I hated doing it. It's not going to mean a thing in the grand scheme of things. All that stands the way between me and Philly now is a 12 miler and a bunch of recovery runs. :excited:

 
I just had to say something about a great taper, didn't I? :lol: It's not going to mean a thing in the grand scheme of things. All that stands the way between me and Philly now is a 12 miler and a bunch of recovery runs. :excited:
Regarding the 3 statements above: :lol: As I said above, good tapers are rare. It will absolutely mean squat in the grand scheme of things. Tapering is for taking it ez. Giddy'up :boxing:
 
To join in on the fun...I have a half marathon on Jan 22nd and just started training. It will be my 3rd half. My PR is 1:45:38, 8:04 pace. Goal is sub 8min pace so I need to chop off about a minute.Pretty much using the Hal Higdon Advanced program. First time I've done this much strength training and tempo runs so we'll see how that goes. Last time I was simply doing a lot of 4 and 6.5 mile runs 5 days a week with a few 10 milers before the race.
Something like Higdon's advanced program is going to be perfect for this. Adding speedwork to a HM cycle -- if you've never done that before -- is pretty much a magic ticket to a PR.
 
I just had to say something about a great taper, didn't I? :lol: My legs were sluggish today. Enough to where I bagged the VO2 max workout and just made it a plain 8mi GA run. On the schedule was 8mi with 3x1600M VO2 Max. I did 2 warmup miles and could tell I was a bit off, but trudged forward. About 2/3 of the way thru the first repeat, I was fighting to get my legs to turnover. I was working way too hard to keep pace. Then it hit me. I thought to myself... "I better let off the gas pedal. I'm working way too hard. All I'm going to do is risk popping a hammy or something. F it, this isn't worth it". :kicksrock:It was the smart thing to do, but I hated doing it. It's not going to mean a thing in the grand scheme of things. All that stands the way between me and Philly now is a 12 miler and a bunch of recovery runs. :excited:
I cant wait to hear how you do. :thumbup: You have put a LOT of work into this.
 
I just had to say something about a great taper, didn't I? :lol: My legs were sluggish today. Enough to where I bagged the VO2 max workout and just made it a plain 8mi GA run. On the schedule was 8mi with 3x1600M VO2 Max. I did 2 warmup miles and could tell I was a bit off, but trudged forward. About 2/3 of the way thru the first repeat, I was fighting to get my legs to turnover. I was working way too hard to keep pace. Then it hit me. I thought to myself... "I better let off the gas pedal. I'm working way too hard. All I'm going to do is risk popping a hammy or something. F it, this isn't worth it". :kicksrock:It was the smart thing to do, but I hated doing it. It's not going to mean a thing in the grand scheme of things. All that stands the way between me and Philly now is a 12 miler and a bunch of recovery runs. :excited:
SMRT move. I'm pretty sure you're supposed to be a bit tired/sluggish at the start of the taper. Otherwise... you know, you wouldn't have to taper.
 
Wraith - Great to see you, GB. Just say "hi" whenever you have a chance. I love your last post, it's so typical - "Yeah, it really hurts a lot, so I'm just going to keep on doing everything, plus add speed work."
Well, sure, when you put it that way it just sounds silly... Nice runnin' GB.

 
Yo gents.Completed the 18 mile Shut-In Ridge Run. I'll pen together a race report later but will leave a couple of quick notes.17.8 miles, 5305 ft climbing, 2464 ft descending, mostly single trackGoal time was 4 hrs, finished in 3h59m41sAdvertised as "destorying quads for over 30 years" wasn't an understatementYou bikers have heard of HC (beyond category), not only did that apply to the course, I beyond-Sanded the first mile with a 7:48 relative to my 14 min pace the rest of the way.According to my software, I was at the over-reaching training effect zone at 32 minutes and held it there for the rest of the race. Average hr was 153 which is mid zone 3 for me.
outstanding
 
It's been a LOOOOOONG time since I've said this: "It was too cold this morning to get my workout in." It actually wasn't "too" cold, I just didn't want to be on my bike in 40 degree weather, when I could postpone until this afternoon for mid-60's weather.

 
Shut-In Ridge 18 Mile Race Report

Came into this event about with about 2 weeks less training than needed. Got the word on the lottery draw in mid September leaving about 8 weeks to train. Trail running is a different culture. No e-mail about packet pickup of the pre-race dinner, it's just assumed that after 32 years people know what's up. No mileage markers on the course, water only at rest stops, no fancy elevation profiles. Not a compliant, just noting the difference between this and the tri races with aero bottles, specialty laces, and data collection devices galore. The route was in doubt the night before due to storms the week of, but the course was opened at the last hour. Perfect day to run...upper 30's at the start and sunny.

My race plan was to Sand the first mile at 9:00 pace. I wanted to be at mile 16 at 3hr 20m which would allow me 40 mins for the brutal final climb of 1.8 miles and put me in at 4 hr. By Sanding the first mile I would only need to maintain about a 12:42 pace over the next 14 miles.

As noted before, I did Sand proud. Mile 1 was 151 ft down and 23 ft up. Knocked it out in 7:54 and it was a breeze with a average hr of 151. I was already a minute ahead of plan which gave another 4-5 secs per mile to play with the rest of the way.

We were on double track as the road turned up. Mile 2 - 210 ft up, 0 ft down, 10:02 pace, 157 hr. The small thin people started flying past me here. Banked another 2m45s to the good which had me feeling good about my prospects. Mile 3 - 272 ft up, 66 ft down, 10:29 pace, 155 hr. I was keeping a close eye on my hr and backed off a little on the gas here. 160 would be ok for short periods, but I've never been over the low 140's for a longer event. Things are going better than expected and good thoughts are flooding my brain.

Somewhere around this time we switched to single track and mile 4 the #### kicking began. Mile 4 - 505 ft up, 33 ft down, 14:04 pace, 158 hr. Wow that was hard. Good news was that I had 1000 ft of climbing behind me and only 3000 ft more to go.

The route paralleled the Blue Ridge Parkway so there would rest stops every 1.5 to 2.5 miles and your support crew could meet you here with the essentials beyond water. My girlfriend did support for me and did an excellent job. It was great seeing a friendly face with gatorade and toting a small quicky-mart with her. Mile 5 included a brief stop - 233 ft up, 226 ft down, 11:51 pace, 153 hr. I'm now over a 1/4 of the way there with more than close to a 1/3 of the climbing behind me at 54m30s. I knew it was going to get harder, but I was ahead of where I wanted to be. Somewhere in here I tripped and 10 yards later ended up eating a bush. I hear, "are you ok"...just me being clumsy I reply. Fortunately this was my only tumble.

We were in a cruising part of the course. Mile 6 - 59 ft up, 92 ft down, 10:26 pace, 146 hr. Here's where I realized I had made a mistake. I caught up to a group of about 20 runners in a line. No way to pass on single track, at least this many people, so I was force to back off an watt for an opportunity to pass at the next stop. I should have pushed things earlier to stay in front of more people to avoid this as I easily lost a minute here.

The rest stops were welcomed, but almost everyone lead right into a steep climb that left everyone walking. I can't even described how steep these were. Mile 7 - 371 ft up, 285 ft down, 14:38 pace, 151 hr. Didn't charge my mp3 player enough and it died here. That was a small pyschological blow. Mile 8 - 33 up, 157 ft down, 10:43 pace, 141 hr. Once again traffic was an issue.

Mile 9 - 253 up, 0 ft down, 11:07 pace, 153 hr. Maybe my best mile of the event. Halfway home in about 1h42m and coming up on 2000 ft of climbing behind me. Woohoo!!!

Mile 10 - 381 ft up, 10 ft down, 14:27 pace, 152 hr. Walked a good protion of this mile. Also found out from someone else that this course wasn't 4000 ft of climbing, it was 5000 ft. Boohoo!!! Talked to two guys who had done this before and they said we were on target for a 3h45m finish. Talked to another guy that seemd smarter and he said they were crazy and 4hr was very unlikely with what loomed ahead.

Mile 11 - 548 up, 265 down, 14:27 pace, 151 hr. Lots of walking. Mile 12 and 13 - 689 ft up, 660 ft down, 18 est pace, 149 hr. The uphills were so steep they were power walks at best and the downhills so steep that you couldn't make up much time for safety concerns, only catch some cardio rest. gps unit was start to jump around due to signal loss.

Mile 14 and 15, 719 ft up, 164 down, 16:02 pace, 150 hr. gps totally died around here. Don't believe the Rayovac claim that they last as long as Duracell becuase they lie. The wheels are coming off. Everytime my foot catches a root the hamstrings start to cramp. I reach mile 16 somewhere between 3:20 and 3:23. I'm so out of it I started the final ascent w/o hitting the lap button until I was into it. I'm slightly behind goal but still have a shot of cracking 4 hours.

Mile 16 to 17.8 (finish) - I wouldn't wish this stretch upon anyone. gps is cooked and I don't know how much longer. I asked someone as they walk past around 3h30m and get an answer that we'll be done in 15 min. Much like Rayovac, they lie and I hate them with every ounce of my soul. I didn't know it at the time, but 1010 ft up in about 1.5-1.6 miles. I thought this was supposed to be a run, not a mountain climb. Time is slipping away and there's not much I can do about it. I'm bent over supporting myself with my hands on my quads to take the next step. Every time the hr drops to 155 I dig a little deeper and push it to 160. I look up and the can see people walking towards the heavens with no end in sight. We're basically walking steps now. A couple of peole pass me, but I manage to reel them back in and pass back. 3h40m passes...is the top near? 3h45m...it's got to be close, I don't have much left. 3h50m...still can't see the top and the sinking feeling is setting in, keep pushing. 3h55m...feel sick as this has slipped away. Finally at 3h57-58m I crest the top. My understanding is that we have about .2-.25 mile of downhill. Turns out to be 354 ft down. Basically nothing but rocks, steps, and roots straight down. I listen for a crowd at the finish and hear nothing. Why can't I hear them, I thought the finish was near. I'm resigned to a 4h+ finish and was thinking about just being safe on the the descent when 2 people catch up to me and ask to pass. What happened next still has me shaking my head. I tell them one minute to 4 hours and they say we can make it and begin sprinting. I'm thinking no way, but join the chase. By my calculations we're headed down a debris strewn trail with a 33% grade down. My 225 pounds is completely out of control and my arms flailing in full windmill mode. If I attempt this fresh, 9 out of 10 times I wipe out. Roughly 30 seconds later I hear the crowd (turns out we were behind a ridge) and I'm just hoping I don't end up breaking a leg. Out of nowhere the finish appears and I bound down the last steps plowing into people backed up at the finish line. It was close to a bowling ball taking out pins and I almost flatten a gal chatting with her friends. 3h59m41s!!! I did it.

I've done very well events in various divisions before, but this was probably the most satisfying result, even at 168th of 235. :banned:

Next up, 40 miles and Mt. Mitchell in winter :boxing:

eta: Final climbing numbers - 5305 ft up, 2464 ft down

2h27m ascening, 50m descending, 49m flat

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Ok, whereas I said before I don't think Id ever try a marathon and now Im likely going to try one next year...I can safely say I will NEVER try some of these races like BNB...my quads are already thanking me for saying that.

Nice run.

Picked up the race # today...and a white tech shirt that I will no doubt get very nasty (I have a thing against white shirts and how easily they stain from sweat...) But for "free" I can't complain (though...any events in November should go with a long sleeved shirt...that way Im not forking out more this fall/winter for colder weather gear...).

 
Ok, whereas I said before I don't think Id ever try a marathon and now Im likely going to try one next year...I can safely say I will NEVER try some of these races like BNB...my quads are already thanking me for saying that.Nice run.Picked up the race # today...and a white tech shirt that I will no doubt get very nasty (I have a thing against white shirts and how easily they stain from sweat...) But for "free" I can't complain (though...any events in November should go with a long sleeved shirt...that way Im not forking out more this fall/winter for colder weather gear...).
My quads just got back bearable today.
 
My 225 pounds is completely out of control and my arms flailing in full windmill mode. If I attempt this fresh, 9 out of 10 times I wipe out. Roughly 30 seconds later I hear the crowd (turns out we were behind a ridge) and I'm just hoping I don't end up breaking a leg. Out of nowhere the finish appears and I bound down the last steps plowing into people backed up at the finish line. It was close to a bowling ball taking out pins and I almost flatten a gal chatting with her friends. 3h59m41s!!! I did it.
Had I only have read the bolded, I would have known it was BnB :lmao: GREAT race, and congrats on conquering some serious elevation. I've only done one long trail run and it also lacked in the formal rest stops that you expect in tri's and running events. Awesome that you made your goal. It sounds like you ran close to a perfect race. ShoNuff: Never say never!!

_____________________________

My update:

I picked up a new dog today which kept me home from work all morning (I promise stories about "Buddy" at a later time). I ended up doing a noon ride. The winds were 15 MPH, but the weather was perfect. Went out into the wind and back home with it. In all 18 miles at 20.8 pace.

 

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top