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Ran a 10k in June (6 Viewers)

'BassNBrew said:
The thought of jumping in a kayak and trying to paddle a 5K after running a 5K full blast sounds uncomfortable to say the least. So, I am debating taking a bit off on my 5K pace to save a little for the kayak.
Are you confusing a kayak with one of those paddle boats?In the time it takes to put on your vest and get the yak to the water and hop aboard, your hr will be down 15-20 beats. Sitting down will insta drop it another 5-10. I'd probably run the 5k like normal, just skip any sprint finish. I'd want my hr where I could think straight, but would be concerned with anything other than that. I'd also be inclined to burn the matches on the run since fitness is the limitation there while technology becomes the key factor on the paddle. Bring home the hardware!

What type of kayak did you get? Can you link it for me? I have a sea kayak and would like to get something faster if the price is right.
I bought this. A little fat and a little slow, but I think it'll get me there. OK, so blister the 5K and whatever happens on the paddle, let it happen. I've done 2 tris at the park where the events held and have won my AG both times, so I am hoping things go well. I've been going long on the run lately, so I am not sure what speed I have.
 
'BassNBrew said:
The thought of jumping in a kayak and trying to paddle a 5K after running a 5K full blast sounds uncomfortable to say the least. So, I am debating taking a bit off on my 5K pace to save a little for the kayak.
Are you confusing a kayak with one of those paddle boats?In the time it takes to put on your vest and get the yak to the water and hop aboard, your hr will be down 15-20 beats. Sitting down will insta drop it another 5-10. I'd probably run the 5k like normal, just skip any sprint finish. I'd want my hr where I could think straight, but would be concerned with anything other than that. I'd also be inclined to burn the matches on the run since fitness is the limitation there while technology becomes the key factor on the paddle. Bring home the hardware!

What type of kayak did you get? Can you link it for me? I have a sea kayak and would like to get something faster if the price is right.
I bought this. A little fat and a little slow, but I think it'll get me there. OK, so blister the 5K and whatever happens on the paddle, let it happen. I've done 2 tris at the park where the events held and have won my AG both times, so I am hoping things go well. I've been going long on the run lately, so I am not sure what speed I have.
I agree on going full out on the run. Isn't kayaking mostly arms, shoulders, back? If so, fry the legs on the run and paddle like a mo-fo. GO GET EM!
 
Hilly 8 for me yesterday. Nice to get my legs back under me a bit, but man does the sun just zap it out of you quickly. I thought I was going out for a cooler run, but turned out I was wrong.

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2YBB - I agree that you will be using all arms and back for the kayak, but you may be worried more about heart rate and that kind of fatigue. I have done some canoeing and though it is a lot of work, I would think compared to the running the heart rate won't get up as high. If you are doing it right it feels a lot less like work unless you are going into the wind.

Also, through all of this, I picture you as the guy in the American Express commercial asking the guy you bought the kayak from, "What are some good kayaking words?" "Look, I am going through the rapids." Just my crazy mind though.

Have a great weekend all.

 
Nice 26 mile bike for me yesterday. Finally recaptured my KOM status for a little hill climb that folks really like to hit hard during the rides - 452 watts over a 1/2 mile. :boxing:

 
'goldenchild said:
I actually just thought of a couple questions right now...

Is there a general consensus on breakfast the day of? Like what to eat and how soon before the race to consume? My 5k starts at 7:30am.

And is there something that I should take right at the start line or during to help with energy levels?

I'm very familiar with gatorade prime as it's something I use when I play flag football. Is that recommended?

Thanks again.
Like others have said, whatever you do that morning, make sure you've done it before. I like caffeine early to help empty my bowels and get me awake. For a 5k, you aren't going to dip into your reserves, so whatever you do eat, won't give much benefit. Drinking just your Gatorade might be more than adequate if that is what you are used to.
Here is the race I'm running on Saturday. Is there a site where I can check out the elevation change throughout?
I just did it for you on Garmin connect. Took me about 5mins to figure out where the hell in HI it was, then about 20seconds to map it out. lolThere's some rolling hills for the first mile, a little hill at mile 4, up and down an 80ft hill before mile 5, then up and down a 120ft hill mile 6, then flat the rest of the way.

Pretty flat, just those 2 ~100ft hills after Wainiha Bay.
:finger: at HI and God bless the 10k thread (and 17seconds) to give elevation to somebody that quickly :thumbup: Sounds like a great race!! For all newbies, it is a requirement to do your best race stalking and to link us all to photos post race. It is the law of the thread.
I've been training with Gatorade and I'm going into a full where they have Gatorade PRO perform so I'm going without a fuel belt. I picked up a bottle of the PRO and it tastes stronger. The orange flavor is nearly as rich as orange juice. Seems they just add potassium and sodium. Crossing my fingers.
Just make sure to take in the Gatorade PRO for as many runs as you can prior to the race to get your system used to it.
I am running a 5k Saturday and it may be pushing 100 :excited:

I was talking with my new running friend at the grocery and he is trying to go sub 15:00 in this race. They changed up the course a little and he feels it will be a faster course. I mentioned how I hoped we would still run by the restaurant with the mariachi's playing. I got a :mellow: look and he said, mariachi's? I guess when you are really fast you dont take time for the sites :lmao: I had a good laugh about it.

I will be happy with sub 27:00 on Saturday.

Link to race http://www.azroadrunners.org/races/detail/mmd

Amby Burfoot will be running in this race and seems to be a special guest.
:lmao: I typically pride myself in taking in the sights and surroundings during my races. pmbrown: :lmao:

2Y: Prior to your next kayak training, I recommend you do your speed work w/o the last cool down (prior to T1) and see what your HR does. If it drops 15-20 beats, just SandTM the entire 5k.

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My Update:

I'm supposed to be having a SDO today (only doing Ab Ripper), though Cross Fit is calling. I've done 12 workouts + 3 Ab workouts in the last 6 days, and probably need the day off. I'll likely wait to see what workout is posted and then decide. There's always tomorrow to rest :shrug:

 
Up early for 5 recovery miles before the wife left for work.

Wow...great change in weather. Was about 56* when I got out there and only supposed to get into the 70s this weekend.

Loving it.

 
Best of luck to Juxtatarot (get that 3:15!) and 17seconds this weekend. Hope you guys crush it.

5 miles 8:45 / 155 for me last night. Knee felt a little better today, some minor pain in the last 1/4 mile or so.

 
Nice 26 mile bike for me yesterday. Finally recaptured my KOM status for a little hill climb that folks really like to hit hard during the rides - 452 watts over a 1/2 mile. :boxing:
GEEZ. You have an amazing ability of making me feel inadequate in all three triathlon disciplines. Please refrain from any improvement on your transitions so I at least feel good about these.
 
Bagel - Step on into my office. :excited: I'm pretty sure all of us are using some sort of GPS + HRM like the Garmins or the new Motorola MOTOACTV. They're perfect for tracking distance, splits, etc. Let me know if you have any HR training questions.
Much appreciated.I ended up buying an ANT+ compatible HR strap and the Wahoo ANT+ adapter for my iPhone so I can just incorporate heart rate into the running app I already use (Endomondo).

Quick question. Would running on a treadmill at 11mph for one minute be enough to get my max heart rate?

 
Juxt and 17seconds - have great races this weekend!

Belated greetings to new posters freebagel and goldenchild.
:goodposting: Jux - A good buddy of mine is running Sunburst, too. He's a sub-2:50 marathoner, so he should definitely be top-10. Looks like it's gonna be a "no-excuses" kind of day weather-wise for you guys. I see 47° for the 6 AM start, warming only into the mid-50s by 9 AM. Make it happen. :thumbup:

 
Juxt and 17seconds - have great races this weekend!

Belated greetings to new posters freebagel and goldenchild.
:goodposting: Jux - A good buddy of mine is running Sunburst, too. He's a sub-2:50 marathoner, so he should definitely be top-10. Looks like it's gonna be a "no-excuses" kind of day weather-wise for you guys. I see 47° for the 6 AM start, warming only into the mid-50s by 9 AM. Make it happen. :thumbup:
Thanks. But I feel like a have a touch of a fever this morning!!

At this point I'm not going to let it bother me too much. It's not that bad and hopefully I'll be fine tomorrow. Anyone have any tips, though, on what I should do to help things along?

 
And forgot...got my run in this morning and will pull a slight double today.

Going to get another mile or so in with my son as I work him up for October's Color Run 5k.

 
Bagel - Step on into my office. :excited: I'm pretty sure all of us are using some sort of GPS + HRM like the Garmins or the new Motorola MOTOACTV. They're perfect for tracking distance, splits, etc. Let me know if you have any HR training questions.
Much appreciated.I ended up buying an ANT+ compatible HR strap and the Wahoo ANT+ adapter for my iPhone so I can just incorporate heart rate into the running app I already use (Endomondo).

Quick question. Would running on a treadmill at 11mph for one minute be enough to get my max heart rate?
Probably not unless 11 mph is an extreme effort for you. Here's a good website on the topic. I still think an all out 5k is the best way to determine.
Juxt and 17seconds - have great races this weekend!

Belated greetings to new posters freebagel and goldenchild.
:goodposting: Jux - A good buddy of mine is running Sunburst, too. He's a sub-2:50 marathoner, so he should definitely be top-10. Looks like it's gonna be a "no-excuses" kind of day weather-wise for you guys. I see 47° for the 6 AM start, warming only into the mid-50s by 9 AM. Make it happen. :thumbup:
Thanks. But I feel like a have a touch of a fever this morning!!

At this point I'm not going to let it bother me too much. It's not that bad and hopefully I'll be fine tomorrow. Anyone have any tips, though, on what I should do to help things along?
It is pretty typical to feel like you are getting sick during taper. Rest, hydrate and eat well, then rest some more.
 
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Nice 26 mile bike for me yesterday. Finally recaptured my KOM status for a little hill climb that folks really like to hit hard during the rides - 452 watts over a 1/2 mile. :boxing:
GEEZ. You have an amazing ability of making me feel inadequate in all three triathlon disciplines. Please refrain from any improvement on your transitions so I at least feel good about these.
Pretty sure you could outrun me handily right now, GB. I will admit, though, that I have been setting PRs left and right these days on the bike. Strava rules.And I suck at transitions, so you are more than safe there!

 
It is pretty typical to feel like you are getting sick during taper. Rest, hydrate and eat well, then rest some more.
It probably didn't help doing some runs in the mid 80s early in the week to 50s and cooler yesterday and today.
To hopefully give you another confidence boost, know that your recent training and racing in the heat is similar to altitude training. You should be Kenyan-like (not in height, like me) but from a stamina standpoint. In '09, I ran a 1/2 at Copper Mountain Resort in CO, at about 10,000' of altitude and a climb to just under 11,000, as I recall. I live at about 10' of altitude, so every chance I could, I ran in the most miserable heat and humidity to simulate altitude effects. I was surprised how well it worked (and is actually a good self reminder to HTFU more often and run in the heat).
 
It is pretty typical to feel like you are getting sick during taper. Rest, hydrate and eat well, then rest some more.
It probably didn't help doing some runs in the mid 80s early in the week to 50s and cooler yesterday and today.
To hopefully give you another confidence boost, know that your recent training and racing in the heat is similar to altitude training. You should be Kenyan-like (not in height, like me) but from a stamina standpoint. In '09, I ran a 1/2 at Copper Mountain Resort in CO, at about 10,000' of altitude and a climb to just under 11,000, as I recall. I live at about 10' of altitude, so every chance I could, I ran in the most miserable heat and humidity to simulate altitude effects. I was surprised how well it worked (and is actually a good self reminder to HTFU more often and run in the heat).
The only thing "Kenyan"-like in me is the skininess -- (5'11", 137ish lbs.). Thanks though. I really think I'll be fine.
 
The only thing "Kenyan"-like in me is the skininess -- (5'11", 137ish lbs.). Thanks though. I really think I'll be fine.
Damn, dude. 6'4" and 210 here.
Hell, 5'6" 158 here. I imagine, Jux, that you need to carry around rocks in your pockets just to keep from blowing away when the winds are above 20 MPH.
No, I just have to squeeze between the air molecules. Conversely, when showering, I have to run around in circles just to get wet.
 
The only thing "Kenyan"-like in me is the skininess -- (5'11", 137ish lbs.). Thanks though. I really think I'll be fine.
Damn, dude. 6'4" and 210 here.
Hell, 5'6" 158 here. I imagine, Jux, that you need to carry around rocks in your pockets just to keep from blowing away when the winds are above 20 MPH.
Im right there with you buddy. But im 165.You guys in here post a ton. Its tough to keep up with some times
 
damn you are a skinny mother####er. I'm 6'2 170 and I get asked if I'm "sick" and if "everything is ok" (always by older women - mother in law, grandparents, etc). Hope your fever subsides and you are ready to kick ### this weekend.

Finally made my way to a local running store to get some new sneakers. I ended up picking these (in a half size bigger than I've always gone with). Grabbed a foam roller as well :thumbup:

 
Finally made my way to a local running store to get some new sneakers. I ended up picking these (in a half size bigger than I've always gone with). Grabbed a foam roller as well :thumbup:
LOVE my 1080s!! :thumbup: Just be aware that the v2 has a lower 8mm drop from heel to toe, which encourages a more natural forefoot strike. They're certainly not Vibrams, but they are more "minimalist" than your normal running shoes. If possible, rotate them with a more traditional pair of trainers until you get used to it, or be prepared for some sore calves/Achilles.

 
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Running-wise, not much new to report here, other than to say I'm looking forward to ramping my mileage back up so I can work off the 5-7 extra pounds I've put on since Boston. Also should probably start eating better again and drinking less Diet Pepsi, but that's another story....

Attending a work conference in Denver on Monday-Tuesday next week, so I'm going out early on Sunday to see some friends and to do some running at altitude. We're gonna be up at about 8,500 feet on Sunday for 8-10 miles, so that should be interesting. I'll probably run for an hour or so on Monday, but that will be back down closer to 5,000 feet, so it shouldn't be nearly as difficult.

 
Running-wise, not much new to report here, other than to say I'm looking forward to ramping my mileage back up so I can work off the 5-7 extra pounds I've put on since Boston. Also should probably start eating better again and drinking less Diet Pepsi, but that's another story....Attending a work conference in Denver on Monday-Tuesday next week, so I'm going out early on Sunday to see some friends and to do some running at altitude. We're gonna be up at about 8,500 feet on Sunday for 8-10 miles, so that should be interesting. I'll probably run for an hour or so on Monday, but that will be back down closer to 5,000 feet, so it shouldn't be nearly as difficult.
grue -- I'll be in Denver in July and October for work. Looking forward to hearing about your runs. In fact, I signed up for a 5K in October so it will be interesting to see how the altitude impacts me as I should be approaching my 5K PR (if I was at sea level) at that point in my training. If you find any good routes to run, let me know. Unfortunately, I'll be stuck downtown so I don't have a lot of options to get up in the mountains.
 
Finally made my way to a local running store to get some new sneakers. I ended up picking these (in a half size bigger than I've always gone with). Grabbed a foam roller as well :thumbup:
LOVE my 1080s!! :thumbup: Just be aware that the v2 has a lower 8mm drop from heel to toe, which encourages a more natural forefoot strike. They're certainly not Vibrams, but they are more "minimalist" than your normal running shoes. If possible, rotate them with a more traditional pair of trainers until you get used to it, or be prepared for some sore calves/Achilles.
cool, thanks for the info! Loved the way they felt in the store (raining here today so they let me try them on their treadmill).
 
damn you are a skinny mother####er. I'm 6'2 170 and I get asked if I'm "sick" and if "everything is ok" (always by older women - mother in law, grandparents, etc). Hope your fever subsides and you are ready to kick ### this weekend.

Finally made my way to a local running store to get some new sneakers. I ended up picking these (in a half size bigger than I've always gone with). Grabbed a foam roller as well :thumbup:
At 6'2" 215, anything under 200 is skinny.
 
Nice 26 mile bike for me yesterday. Finally recaptured my KOM status for a little hill climb that folks really like to hit hard during the rides - 452 watts over a 1/2 mile. :boxing:
You're killing it dude.

Got in a 77 miler 2 weeks ago and roughly 90 miler last week. The 90 miler include a 5 mi, 950 ft climb over 20 mins around 290 watts early on. The signature climb finishes at 20% and it took me 15 minutes to ride the last mile of it.

Three weeks until my mountain century.

 
Finally made my way to a local running store to get some new sneakers. I ended up picking these (in a half size bigger than I've always gone with). Grabbed a foam roller as well :thumbup:
LOVE my 1080s!! :thumbup: Just be aware that the v2 has a lower 8mm drop from heel to toe, which encourages a more natural forefoot strike. They're certainly not Vibrams, but they are more "minimalist" than your normal running shoes. If possible, rotate them with a more traditional pair of trainers until you get used to it, or be prepared for some sore calves/Achilles.
Sean - :hifive: 6'3", 180 lbs for me. Lost ten pounds of muscle with marathon training 18 months ago. :hifive: on the roller as well. Those things are great.My new shoes (Asics DS Racers) are 8 mm heels, and I absolutely love them (plus the 7.7 ozs). I've been working on the mid/forefoot strike for a year or two anyway, but the big heels of my 'regular' shoes were not conducive to that. This lower heel is much, much better for a proper stride. Gruecd is right, though - take time to adjust. I still use my older shoes for some slower and longer runs. I definitely felt it in my calves early on and still do to some degree. I make frequent use of compression socks.

 
Finally made my way to a local running store to get some new sneakers. I ended up picking these (in a half size bigger than I've always gone with). Grabbed a foam roller as well :thumbup:
LOVE my 1080s!! :thumbup: Just be aware that the v2 has a lower 8mm drop from heel to toe, which encourages a more natural forefoot strike. They're certainly not Vibrams, but they are more "minimalist" than your normal running shoes. If possible, rotate them with a more traditional pair of trainers until you get used to it, or be prepared for some sore calves/Achilles.
Sean - :hifive: 6'3", 180 lbs for me. Lost ten pounds of muscle with marathon training 18 months ago. :hifive: on the roller as well. Those things are great.My new shoes (Asics DS Racers) are 8 mm heels, and I absolutely love them (plus the 7.7 ozs). I've been working on the mid/forefoot strike for a year or two anyway, but the big heels of my 'regular' shoes were not conducive to that. This lower heel is much, much better for a proper stride. Gruecd is right, though - take time to adjust. I still use my older shoes for some slower and longer runs. I definitely felt it in my calves early on and still do to some degree. I make frequent use of compression socks.
good stuff, thanks. I noticed in your sig you have a 5k this weekend. Good luck - any goals in mind?
 
Juxt and 17seconds - have great races this weekend!

Belated greetings to new posters freebagel and goldenchild.
:goodposting: Jux - A good buddy of mine is running Sunburst, too. He's a sub-2:50 marathoner, so he should definitely be top-10. Looks like it's gonna be a "no-excuses" kind of day weather-wise for you guys. I see 47° for the 6 AM start, warming only into the mid-50s by 9 AM. Make it happen. :thumbup:
Thanks, getting nervous already. But I'v been getting lots of sleep this week, sports massage yesterday, and a bag of tortillas at my desk. Going out on a final 4 miler later. Carbing up and hydrating!
 
'Sean said:
good stuff, thanks. I noticed in your sig you have a 5k this weekend. Good luck - any goals in mind?
I'd like to knock off a few more seconds ...it drives Sand (20:29) crazy that I keep inching it down. Better yet, for both our peace of mind, I'd like to nail it and get under 20:00. My last sub-20 was in 1999. (PR from twenty five years ago or so was 18:08, though race timing in those days was sun dials and slide rules)17seconds - was that you that doesn't sleep well before a race? Instead of not thinking about the race, you might try deliberately 'running' it through in your mind. Just follow the course along, or recall a strong training run. Most of the time, I never 'finish' that race because I fall comfortably asleep.

 
17seconds - was that you that doesn't sleep well before a race? Instead of not thinking about the race, you might try deliberately 'running' it through in your mind. Just follow the course along, or recall a strong training run. Most of the time, I never 'finish' that race because I fall comfortably asleep.
Don't think it was me, but yeah, I tend to toss and turn like most people. I'm making sure I have no sleep debt by getting 8+ every night this week.The training run thought might help me. Running through the actual race in my mind is what would keep me awake!

 
I figured out the sore feet issue. It's achilles tendonitis in both feet and also some tendonitis on the top of my right foot.

I'm at what they call Grade 2 which means I feel it before and after running but not during (yet).

It's too close to the race to try something new like KT Tape so I'm just going to be icing it down and taking ibuprofen. I won't take the ibuprofen the day of the full BnB, promise!

After this race I'm going to rest and do very little training in June. I have a half in August and that's all that's on the calendar.

 
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I figured out the sore feet issue. It's achilles tendonitis in both feet and also some tendonitis on the top of my right foot.I'm at what they call Grade 2 which means I feel it before and after running but not during (yet).It's too close to the race to try something new like KT Tape so I'm just going to be icing it down and taking ibuprofen. I won't take the ibuprofen the day of the full BnB, promise!After this race I'm going to rest and do very little training in June. I have a half in August and that's all that's on the calendar.
I understand wanting to get this race done because you're so close, but do you really think the half in August is a good idea? You're treating June right, but that's a quick turnaround to jump right back into a half.Easy 4 here today, shooting for 30 mins or so before hitting the gym. Legs feel very good after 2 days rest.
 
Anybody know Jux's real name? Sunburst race results are up...
Bib 398. 3:08:03. :pickle: 24th overall (out of 446) and 1st in the 40-44 male category. I'll write up a proper race report tomorrow, but I did better than I ever would have expected. The weather was fantastic! It's amazing how certain things (namely, my Green Bay experience) can be blessings in disguise.
 
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Anybody know Jux's real name? Sunburst race results are up...
Bib 398. 3:08:03. :pickle: 24th overall (out of 446) and 1st in the 40-44 male category. I'll write up a proper race report tomorrow, but I did better than I ever would have expected. The weather was fantastic! It's amazing how certain things (namely, my Green Bay experience) can be blessings in disguise.
Wow awesome! Congrats!!

 
Anybody know Jux's real name? Sunburst race results are up...
Bib 398. 3:08:03. :pickle: 24th overall (out of 446) and 1st in the 40-44 male category. I'll write up a proper race report tomorrow, but I did better than I ever would have expected. The weather was fantastic! It's amazing how certain things (namely, my Green Bay experience) can be blessings in disguise.
Damn, boy. I guess I'll be seeing you next April in Boston! Congrats!!
 
Anybody know Jux's real name? Sunburst race results are up...
Bib 398. 3:08:03. :pickle: 24th overall (out of 446) and 1st in the 40-44 male category. I'll write up a proper race report tomorrow, but I did better than I ever would have expected. The weather was fantastic! It's amazing how certain things (namely, my Green Bay experience) can be blessings in disguise.
HFS, that's fantastic :headbang:
 
Anybody know Jux's real name? Sunburst race results are up...
Bib 398. 3:08:03. :pickle: 24th overall (out of 446) and 1st in the 40-44 male category. I'll write up a proper race report tomorrow, but I did better than I ever would have expected. The weather was fantastic! It's amazing how certain things (namely, my Green Bay experience) can be blessings in disguise.
Nice f'ing job man.Way to knock that out of the park.

 
Anybody know Jux's real name? Sunburst race results are up...
Bib 398. 3:08:03. :pickle: 24th overall (out of 446) and 1st in the 40-44 male category. I'll write up a proper race report tomorrow, but I did better than I ever would have expected. The weather was fantastic! It's amazing how certain things (namely, my Green Bay experience) can be blessings in disguise.
wow...you guys are really inspiring! i remember being so bummed reading the green bay report from jux and now to see this result!!! just wow! congratulations!
 

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