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Ran a 10k in June (4 Viewers)

Do any of you ever use MapMyRun. My wife loves it so I gave it a try the other night. It measured 4.1 vs 4.0 on my Garmin. I'm guessing because it uses set satellite reads vs tracking your particular movement. Pretty cool otherwise, though. And with my old injured butt, having the phone around seems to be a good idea on runs. If I can play music and get someone telling me splits every once in awhile, even better.

 
Do any of you ever use MapMyRun. My wife loves it so I gave it a try the other night. It measured 4.1 vs 4.0 on my Garmin. I'm guessing because it uses set satellite reads vs tracking your particular movement. Pretty cool otherwise, though. And with my old injured butt, having the phone around seems to be a good idea on runs. If I can play music and get someone telling me splits every once in awhile, even better.
Yeah I do, and I believe Chief does.

 
Do any of you ever use MapMyRun. My wife loves it so I gave it a try the other night. It measured 4.1 vs 4.0 on my Garmin. I'm guessing because it uses set satellite reads vs tracking your particular movement. Pretty cool otherwise, though. And with my old injured butt, having the phone around seems to be a good idea on runs. If I can play music and get someone telling me splits every once in awhile, even better.
Yeah I do, and I believe Chief does.
Yeah, I use it. Works great for what I need. And it syncs with the desktop version automatically, so you can see all of your workouts in one place. I can see my progress for the last 2 years. The premium version will also track your heart rate as well.

 
Do any of you ever use MapMyRun. My wife loves it so I gave it a try the other night. It measured 4.1 vs 4.0 on my Garmin. I'm guessing because it uses set satellite reads vs tracking your particular movement. Pretty cool otherwise, though. And with my old injured butt, having the phone around seems to be a good idea on runs. If I can play music and get someone telling me splits every once in awhile, even better.
I use mapmyride, assume it's about the same thing. But not while I'm running/riding, just to log later.

I don't run with my phone, but I do ride with it just in case of emergency.

 
Yuck…heat blew me up again. Went out for 6 miles. Started around an 8'40" pace for the first three miles before hitting the wall and logging a 9'50". Ending up walking most of the way back home and cutting the distance to 5.5 miles.

Anyway, that's it for me until Saturday at 4am. The horses are in the barn. Time to organize gear and study race plans.

 
Any try the New Balance 890v4? I've been running in the 870v2 which are approaching the end of their life. I know the 870 has some mild support vs the 890. Not sure if I should be concerned switching to a totally neutral shoe. My local running store had me as a neutral runner although I overpronate slighly with my right foot.

Also looked at the Asics DS Racer 9 for racing which is dirt cheap on amazon right now. A little turned off by the drainage holes in the bottom though. Isn't that annoying if you step in a puddle or something or am I missing the point?

 
Any try the New Balance 890v4? I've been running in the 870v2 which are approaching the end of their life. I know the 870 has some mild support vs the 890. Not sure if I should be concerned switching to a totally neutral shoe. My local running store had me as a neutral runner although I overpronate slighly with my right foot.

Also looked at the Asics DS Racer 9 for racing which is dirt cheap on amazon right now. A little turned off by the drainage holes in the bottom though. Isn't that annoying if you step in a puddle or something or am I missing the point?
I really like the DS Racers. They're sheer enough that you won't be protected against water (e.g., damp fields prior to a race start), but for road running, they're a great, light-weight shoe.

 
So I have gone from late night snacking to late night running after my wife goes to bed.

I guess that is a start toward better fitness.

 
So what kinda sense does this make. Since my last 5k about 11 days ago (the one where I ran well and PR'd by like 35 seconds better than my bet time last year), I haven't remotely "over done it" with my training like I had planned while getting ready for my important 5k on May 17th. If anything, I have run LESS than I was the couple weeks before this because I have been busy doing other stuff and missed a few days.

So anyway, after a day off, I go out for a run tuesday morning. I warm up a little, and planned to do just a moderate 4 miles or so. I get about a mile into it and all of a sudden it feels like someone shot me in the right calf, just below the meaty part of my calf. So I stop, stretch it out a little, and try to go again. I could go, but the pain seemed to be some sort of indicator that I should probably stop, so I just walk back home.

After a while it tightens up and I am limping around. I am all pissed because I am thinking I am not going to be able to do my 5k this saturday, the one I have been looking forward to since this time last year. Then I think, F it, I am just gonna run that 5k anyway. I will just rest until then.

So I wake up yesterday, and bam, my calf is still hurting just the same it was tuesday afternoon and evening, and I kinda half limping around all day yesterday. Then kind of out of nowhere, not even sure WHEN this occurred, but it began feeling a LOT better, almost completely gone, just some ever so slight stiffness. So I go outside last night and "test it out" a little, and ended up somewhat slow jogging about 4 miles with no problems. I wake up this morning, and it feels about 95%, can barely notice anything. I plan to rest until saturday (was gonna jog a couple miles today and rest friday before this happened).

So what in the hell kinda lower calf injury results in limping around for 35 hours and then all of a sudden just magically feels pretty much 100%???

Best I can guess is some sort of cramping

 
So what kinda sense does this make. Since my last 5k about 11 days ago (the one where I ran well and PR'd by like 35 seconds better than my bet time last year), I haven't remotely "over done it" with my training like I had planned while getting ready for my important 5k on May 17th. If anything, I have run LESS than I was the couple weeks before this because I have been busy doing other stuff and missed a few days.

So anyway, after a day off, I go out for a run tuesday morning. I warm up a little, and planned to do just a moderate 4 miles or so. I get about a mile into it and all of a sudden it feels like someone shot me in the right calf, just below the meaty part of my calf. So I stop, stretch it out a little, and try to go again. I could go, but the pain seemed to be some sort of indicator that I should probably stop, so I just walk back home.

After a while it tightens up and I am limping around. I am all pissed because I am thinking I am not going to be able to do my 5k this saturday, the one I have been looking forward to since this time last year. Then I think, F it, I am just gonna run that 5k anyway. I will just rest until then.

So I wake up yesterday, and bam, my calf is still hurting just the same it was tuesday afternoon and evening, and I kinda half limping around all day yesterday. Then kind of out of nowhere, not even sure WHEN this occurred, but it began feeling a LOT better, almost completely gone, just some ever so slight stiffness. So I go outside last night and "test it out" a little, and ended up somewhat slow jogging about 4 miles with no problems. I wake up this morning, and it feels about 95%, can barely notice anything. I plan to rest until saturday (was gonna jog a couple miles today and rest friday before this happened).

So what in the hell kinda lower calf injury results in limping around for 35 hours and then all of a sudden just magically feels pretty much 100%???

Best I can guess is some sort of cramping
Likely you tore your plantaris muscle. Your tree swinging days are now over. Luckily I don't think you need that to get a good ride in.

 
So I have gone from late night snacking to late night running after my wife goes to bed.

I guess that is a start toward better fitness.
It will definitely help.

During the bulk of my weightloss I was running at night after getting the kids to bed.

Once summer starts and the kids are out of school, I will likely be going back to night time workouts/running.

 
So what in the hell kinda lower calf injury results in limping around for 35 hours and then all of a sudden just magically feels pretty much 100%???

Best I can guess is some sort of cramping
If you're incredibly lucky, maybe it was just a bad cramp. But if you partially tore/strained a plantaris or soleus or calf muscle, plan on a number of frustrating weeks where you won't be/shouldn't be running. Fingers crossed.

 
Any try the New Balance 890v4? I've been running in the 870v2 which are approaching the end of their life. I know the 870 has some mild support vs the 890. Not sure if I should be concerned switching to a totally neutral shoe. My local running store had me as a neutral runner although I overpronate slighly with my right foot.

Also looked at the Asics DS Racer 9 for racing which is dirt cheap on amazon right now. A little turned off by the drainage holes in the bottom though. Isn't that annoying if you step in a puddle or something or am I missing the point?
I really like the DS Racers. They're sheer enough that you won't be protected against water (e.g., damp fields prior to a race start), but for road running, they're a great, light-weight shoe.
Thanks. I'll probably give them a try. I meant more the holes that are cut into the bottom of the shoes for drainage. Seems like things/water would get sucked up in there but it's not like I'd be running on trails or anything with them.

 
Any try the New Balance 890v4? I've been running in the 870v2 which are approaching the end of their life. I know the 870 has some mild support vs the 890. Not sure if I should be concerned switching to a totally neutral shoe. My local running store had me as a neutral runner although I overpronate slighly with my right foot.

Also looked at the Asics DS Racer 9 for racing which is dirt cheap on amazon right now. A little turned off by the drainage holes in the bottom though. Isn't that annoying if you step in a puddle or something or am I missing the point?
I really like the DS Racers. They're sheer enough that you won't be protected against water (e.g., damp fields prior to a race start), but for road running, they're a great, light-weight shoe.
Thanks. I'll probably give them a try. I meant more the holes that are cut into the bottom of the shoes for drainage. Seems like things/water would get sucked up in there but it's not like I'd be running on trails or anything with them.
Yeah, I was making the point that in wet conditions, the water is as likely to come in from the sides/top as through the holes in the bottom (your foot is not as elevated off the ground as it would be in a more padded shoe, so you're more subject to any degree of damp or wet conditions). I hope you like them!

 
Has anyone done one of these Escape From runs? Baton Rouge has one in June. I'm not a zombie apocalypse guy, but if done correctly this could have potential to be awesome. Or is it just a bunch of loud spooky noises and people on the side jumping out at you?

 
Well I thought my marathon training days were over. It's just too time consuming. I did it, kept it in a "well you did not walk" pace, but now my wife is saying everyone is doing marathons, we need to do the Goofy at Disney. Well if she does it I have too as well and have to finish at least 1 second before her.

 
Well I thought my marathon training days were over. It's just too time consuming. I did it, kept it in a "well you did not walk" pace, but now my wife is saying everyone is doing marathons, we need to do the Goofy at Disney. Well if she does it I have too as well and have to finish at least 1 second before her.
everyone's doing Goofy. Do the Dopey Challenge instead.

 
Well I thought my marathon training days were over. It's just too time consuming. I did it, kept it in a "well you did not walk" pace, but now my wife is saying everyone is doing marathons, we need to do the Goofy at Disney. Well if she does it I have too as well and have to finish at least 1 second before her.
everyone's doing Goofy. Do the Dopey Challenge instead.
Yeah, I told her no. That's what another $300-$400? That is just a money pulling scheme. Disney knows how to jump on the spender and enjoy the ride. They are now involving the cruise to the race week. If you cruise during that week and run the island 5K you get this shinny thing. Just so happens it is a slow time for the cruise line. Brilliant.

 
Well I thought my marathon training days were over. It's just too time consuming. I did it, kept it in a "well you did not walk" pace, but now my wife is saying everyone is doing marathons, we need to do the Goofy at Disney. Well if she does it I have too as well and have to finish at least 1 second before her.
everyone's doing Goofy. Do the Dopey Challenge instead.
Yeah, I told her no. That's what another $300-$400? That is just a money pulling scheme. Disney knows how to jump on the spender and enjoy the ride. They are now involving the cruise to the race week. If you cruise during that week and run the island 5K you get this shinny thing. Just so happens it is a slow time for the cruise line. Brilliant.
:moneybag: knew I should have bought Disney stock.

 
Well I thought my marathon training days were over. It's just too time consuming. I did it, kept it in a "well you did not walk" pace, but now my wife is saying everyone is doing marathons, we need to do the Goofy at Disney. Well if she does it I have too as well and have to finish at least 1 second before her.
everyone's doing Goofy. Do the Dopey Challenge instead.
Goofy challenge is open. Dopey challenge is sold out. Go figure.

I've known a number of people to run the full and half at Disney and from their descriptions they suck. Now the cruise and the Island 5k sound like fun.

 
Paging the cross training gurus.... Another aspect I'm working hard on besides my diet is consistently doing some cross training. I'm currently doing this on rest days or recovery days and averaging 2-3x per week. I've been tweaking it over the past few weeks, but here's what I've been doing. Welcome any critiques/suggestions.

I do Regular pullups with no assist at the start. I'm weak and can only max at 3 right now. After I get that out of the way, I'll do this circuit with all of them at or near max effort. Each group of 3 I take no break - jump right into the next exercise. After 3, I take 1-2min break and then start the next group.

regular pullups with foot on chair

bicycles (abs)

regular pushups

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In/outs (abs)

chinups with foot on chair

regular situps

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regular pushups

oblique V ups (both L & R)

regular pullups with foot on chair

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mason twists (abs)

regular pushups

chinups with foot on chair

 
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Well I thought my marathon training days were over. It's just too time consuming. I did it, kept it in a "well you did not walk" pace, but now my wife is saying everyone is doing marathons, we need to do the Goofy at Disney. Well if she does it I have too as well and have to finish at least 1 second before her.
everyone's doing Goofy. Do the Dopey Challenge instead.
Goofy challenge is open. Dopey challenge is sold out. Go figure.

I've known a number of people to run the full and half at Disney and from their descriptions they suck. Now the cruise and the Island 5k sound like fun.
Dopey is closed because either the 5K or 10K is sold out. Need all 4 to be available to get the Dopey challenge. The Island 5k is done every morning when docked at Castaway Cay. We get off before anyone else. I must say it sounds like it would be better then it really is. It can be hot and no shade. Also, most of the path is covered with bushes on the bike trail. I wish they would cut them down so we can run with a better view.

 
Tri - are you running the trail HM this weekend or is the calf still acting up?
I'll definitely toe the line. I shut down my running several days ago when I had some tightness in the same spot on the soleus (just below the calf) while running some moderate intervals on the track. I'm going on the assumption that this will help heal me up for the race. I haven't had any problems, but I won't know until warm-ups on Sunday.

BnB - thanks for the link!

 
So what in the hell kinda lower calf injury results in limping around for 35 hours and then all of a sudden just magically feels pretty much 100%???

Best I can guess is some sort of cramping
If you're incredibly lucky, maybe it was just a bad cramp. But if you partially tore/strained a plantaris or soleus or calf muscle, plan on a number of frustrating weeks where you won't be/shouldn't be running. Fingers crossed.
I don't even notice it now. Weird.

 
Worked the core this morning, I need to get back into doing that. Abs, squats, push ups, and used the roller and stretch band.

Then this afternoon, one of my favorite rainy day work outs - 10 minutes bike trainer, 15 air squats, 5 minutes on the tread mill X 4.

 
Nice training run for me this evening. 8 miles with 4 tempo: 6:25, 6:17, 6:22, 6:19. Actually, that's a little faster than tempo but I was feeling OK and the wind was at my back. Although my 10K and 5 miler PRs are a faster pace, I'm fairly sure this is the fastest 4 mile stretch I've ever run during training.

 
Nice training run for me this evening. 8 miles with 4 tempo: 6:25, 6:17, 6:22, 6:19. Actually, that's a little faster than tempo but I was feeling OK and the wind was at my back. Although my 10K and 5 miler PRs are a faster pace, I'm fairly sure this is the fastest 4 mile stretch I've ever run during training.
Should be primed for a 5K PR with that kind of workout. :thumbup:

 
Nice training run for me this evening. 8 miles with 4 tempo: 6:25, 6:17, 6:22, 6:19. Actually, that's a little faster than tempo but I was feeling OK and the wind was at my back. Although my 10K and 5 miler PRs are a faster pace, I'm fairly sure this is the fastest 4 mile stretch I've ever run during training.
Tempo my ###! :excited: Looks like you need to sign up for a 10K. You'd kill it.

 
Nice training run for me this evening. 8 miles with 4 tempo: 6:25, 6:17, 6:22, 6:19. Actually, that's a little faster than tempo but I was feeling OK and the wind was at my back. Although my 10K and 5 miler PRs are a faster pace, I'm fairly sure this is the fastest 4 mile stretch I've ever run during training.
Tempo my ###! :excited: Looks like you need to sign up for a 10K. You'd kill it.
I have a 10k on June 7. There is also a 5k on Sunday a few miles from my home that I'm thinking about. Forecast is in the 40s with little wind. It's hard to ignore that with summer upon us soon.

 
Nice training run for me this evening. 8 miles with 4 tempo: 6:25, 6:17, 6:22, 6:19. Actually, that's a little faster than tempo but I was feeling OK and the wind was at my back. Although my 10K and 5 miler PRs are a faster pace, I'm fairly sure this is the fastest 4 mile stretch I've ever run during training.
Tempo my ###! :excited: Looks like you need to sign up for a 10K. You'd kill it.
I have a 10k on June 7. There is also a 5k on Sunday a few miles from my home that I'm thinking about. Forecast is in the 40s with little wind. It's hard to ignore that with summer upon us soon.
Nice. I have a 10K the 24th. I'm not sure what I'm capable of...not too worried about a PR but would definitely like to go sub 40 again. Weather is the real X factor...I don't think I've ever done this race when it's been cooler than 80 degrees.

 
Nice training run for me this evening. 8 miles with 4 tempo: 6:25, 6:17, 6:22, 6:19. Actually, that's a little faster than tempo but I was feeling OK and the wind was at my back. Although my 10K and 5 miler PRs are a faster pace, I'm fairly sure this is the fastest 4 mile stretch I've ever run during training.
Tempo my ###! :excited: Looks like you need to sign up for a 10K. You'd kill it.
I have a 10k on June 7. There is also a 5k on Sunday a few miles from my home that I'm thinking about. Forecast is in the 40s with little wind. It's hard to ignore that with summer upon us soon.
Nice. I have a 10K the 24th. I'm not sure what I'm capable of...not too worried about a PR but would definitely like to go sub 40 again. Weather is the real X factor...I don't think I've ever done this race when it's been cooler than 80 degrees.
With a 19:02 5k in the heat recently, I'm sure you'd be below 40 with decent weather.

 
So what in the hell kinda lower calf injury results in limping around for 35 hours and then all of a sudden just magically feels pretty much 100%???

Best I can guess is some sort of cramping
If you're incredibly lucky, maybe it was just a bad cramp. But if you partially tore/strained a plantaris or soleus or calf muscle, plan on a number of frustrating weeks where you won't be/shouldn't be running. Fingers crossed.
I don't even notice it now. Weird.
Not weird. Exactly what I said it was.

 
Has anyone done one of these Escape From runs? Baton Rouge has one in June. I'm not a zombie apocalypse guy, but if done correctly this could have potential to be awesome. Or is it just a bunch of loud spooky noises and people on the side jumping out at you?
Not sure exactly what that one is, but did do a zombie 5k in Hocking HIlls, Ohio a couple summers ago.

The run itself wasnt much fo a run, for one, it was SUPER hilly, most parts you reallre were hiking, and the downhill parts were too steep run down.

Then thy were a lot fo zombies chasing you around, and it was quite tiring if you actually tried not to get caught. It is kinda just asking for injury.

The event itself was very poorly put together. You would think a few hundred people getting together for drinks, music, zombies, and other shennanigans it woulda been a blast. Nope. Music was awful and most of it was some dude telling jokes and doing games with the crowd. Was just terrible. The beer was terrible and overpriced. And it was SUPPOSED to be a campout and last all night, but they changed that a few days before any everyone had to be gone by like 7pm. And it was like 85 bucks.

If someone can actually do it right, would be a great run and party.

 
I don't even notice it now. Weird.
Not weird. Exactly what I said it was.
you said this "Likely you tore your plantaris muscle. Your tree swinging days are now over. Luckily I don't think you need that to get a good ride in."

No idea what the tree swinging and getting a good ride means, but you are saying i tore my plantaris tendon?? That doesnt seem to be the location of where the pain is.

My right calf, just below the meaty part of the calf, about an inch to the right of the center part of my leg. Seems more like the Gastrocmenius muscle.

As I sit here right now about 60 hours from when it happened, and about 25 hours from jogging 4 miles, all I feel is just very mild general soreness in the area when I stretch it out.

It is just..............weird to me.

F it though. Gonna go out and run myself into the ground till it pops on saturday.

 
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I don't even notice it now. Weird.
Not weird. Exactly what I said it was.
you said this "Likely you tore your plantaris muscle. Your tree swinging days are now over. Luckily I don't think you need that to get a good ride in."

No idea what the tree swinging and getting a good ride means, but you are saying i tore my plantaris tendon?? That doesnt seem to be the location of where the pain is.
Plantaris muscle is a vestigal muscle left over from our ape days. It is often used now as donor muscle as it has no purpose. It is well developed in tree swinging monkeys. So there is the reference to the tree swinging.

The riding reference was a swipe at you being a general **** in the other thread.

Edit: Interesting that **** makes it through the filter but ###### and ##### don't.

 
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Track guys, can you help me figure out State Qualifying Standards: https://www.mhsaa.com/portals/0/documents/BTR/addqual.pdf My son's running regionals today; running the 4x800 relay and the 800. Am I correct, that the top two regional finishers (relay team or individual) advance to states, no matter the time? Then, any team or individual that runs a time at or below the times on the link I posted also advances to states? I have Googled the heck out of this and cannot find clarity. Based on meet history and results this year, I'd guess my son has a chance to score points for his team in the 800, but will likely fall short of a chance at states. His season best in the 800 is a 2:04:6. Last year, the top finisher ran a 1:57:8 and is back this year and 2nd was way back at 2:02:4. There is at least one other 800 runner that has posted a sub 2:00 this season. If my son was to run and out of his mind 800 race, he'd either have to go top 2 or post a 1:57:84 or better to go to states, right? Here is the other thing that confuses me. The regional qualifying standard for the 800 is listed as 2:02:24, which is less than my son's season PR. Does this mean that each school can enter up to a set number of runners in any event, then, they can exceed this number if they have more runners that meet this standard? Excited for the entire event. His HS has won regionals back-to-back and should contend for a 3rd straight. I am already frigging nervous.

 
Track guys, can you help me figure out State Qualifying Standards: https://www.mhsaa.com/portals/0/documents/BTR/addqual.pdf My son's running regionals today; running the 4x800 relay and the 800. Am I correct, that the top two regional finishers (relay team or individual) advance to states, no matter the time? Then, any team or individual that runs a time at or below the times on the link I posted also advances to states? I have Googled the heck out of this and cannot find clarity. Based on meet history and results this year, I'd guess my son has a chance to score points for his team in the 800, but will likely fall short of a chance at states. His season best in the 800 is a 2:04:6. Last year, the top finisher ran a 1:57:8 and is back this year and 2nd was way back at 2:02:4. There is at least one other 800 runner that has posted a sub 2:00 this season. If my son was to run and out of his mind 800 race, he'd either have to go top 2 or post a 1:57:84 or better to go to states, right? Here is the other thing that confuses me. The regional qualifying standard for the 800 is listed as 2:02:24, which is less than my son's season PR. Does this mean that each school can enter up to a set number of runners in any event, then, they can exceed this number if they have more runners that meet this standard? Excited for the entire event. His HS has won regionals back-to-back and should contend for a 3rd straight. I am already frigging nervous.
I think your general logic is correct = top two + others who meet the qualifying standard. But as Tom Cruise is told in The Last Samurai: "No mind." Same thing here - R can't be thinking about all these factors. (And this probably is just you obsessing :D .) He just needs to focus on technique and run crazy fast. Get him concentrating on stride length down the final backstretch, quick rotation rounding the final turn, and a strong arm pump to drive it home. Reach, rotate, ram it home.

 
Track guys, can you help me figure out State Qualifying Standards: https://www.mhsaa.com/portals/0/documents/BTR/addqual.pdf My son's running regionals today; running the 4x800 relay and the 800. Am I correct, that the top two regional finishers (relay team or individual) advance to states, no matter the time? Then, any team or individual that runs a time at or below the times on the link I posted also advances to states? I have Googled the heck out of this and cannot find clarity. Based on meet history and results this year, I'd guess my son has a chance to score points for his team in the 800, but will likely fall short of a chance at states. His season best in the 800 is a 2:04:6. Last year, the top finisher ran a 1:57:8 and is back this year and 2nd was way back at 2:02:4. There is at least one other 800 runner that has posted a sub 2:00 this season. If my son was to run and out of his mind 800 race, he'd either have to go top 2 or post a 1:57:84 or better to go to states, right? Here is the other thing that confuses me. The regional qualifying standard for the 800 is listed as 2:02:24, which is less than my son's season PR. Does this mean that each school can enter up to a set number of runners in any event, then, they can exceed this number if they have more runners that meet this standard? Excited for the entire event. His HS has won regionals back-to-back and should contend for a 3rd straight. I am already frigging nervous.
I think your general logic is correct = top two + others who meet the qualifying standard. But as Tom Cruise is told in The Last Samurai: "No mind." Same thing here - R can't be thinking about all these factors. (And this probably is just you obsessing :D .) He just needs to focus on technique and run crazy fast. Get him concentrating on stride length down the final backstretch, quick rotation rounding the final turn, and a strong arm pump to drive it home. Reach, rotate, ram it home.
The #1 thing I've learned in this chase to become an archery pro is the bolded. We call it the 'duh switch'. When you're competing on the line, you simply cannot think about all of the mechanics of your shot. Just flip on the duh switch and let the shots take care of themselves. You need to trust that all of your training has been engrained into your subconscious and just let the subconscious do it's thing.

Think about it this way.... when you're out for a run, are you thinking about the 257 different coordinated movements required to propel yourself forward? Of course not.... because your subconscious has learned to do it through years of repetition. Your conscious mind can only think 1 thought at a time.... Don't booger that up with all the worries about your finish time, how much the pain hurts, etc.

Tell him to go run and just sing a song in his head. His body and subconscious already know the effort required for the 800, its just a matter of trusting that and letting go.

 
Track guys, can you help me figure out State Qualifying Standards: https://www.mhsaa.com/portals/0/documents/BTR/addqual.pdf My son's running regionals today; running the 4x800 relay and the 800. Am I correct, that the top two regional finishers (relay team or individual) advance to states, no matter the time? Then, any team or individual that runs a time at or below the times on the link I posted also advances to states? I have Googled the heck out of this and cannot find clarity. Based on meet history and results this year, I'd guess my son has a chance to score points for his team in the 800, but will likely fall short of a chance at states. His season best in the 800 is a 2:04:6. Last year, the top finisher ran a 1:57:8 and is back this year and 2nd was way back at 2:02:4. There is at least one other 800 runner that has posted a sub 2:00 this season. If my son was to run and out of his mind 800 race, he'd either have to go top 2 or post a 1:57:84 or better to go to states, right? Here is the other thing that confuses me. The regional qualifying standard for the 800 is listed as 2:02:24, which is less than my son's season PR. Does this mean that each school can enter up to a set number of runners in any event, then, they can exceed this number if they have more runners that meet this standard? Excited for the entire event. His HS has won regionals back-to-back and should contend for a 3rd straight. I am already frigging nervous.
I think your general logic is correct = top two + others who meet the qualifying standard. But as Tom Cruise is told in The Last Samurai: "No mind." Same thing here - R can't be thinking about all these factors. (And this probably is just you obsessing :D .) He just needs to focus on technique and run crazy fast. Get him concentrating on stride length down the final backstretch, quick rotation rounding the final turn, and a strong arm pump to drive it home. Reach, rotate, ram it home.
He could not be more calm and the only chat we had about this was me inquiring if he had a plan. Which, I was pleasantly surprised at the depth of which he did. His plan is to try and stay in the top 5, pick things up a bit at the 200 to go and blast the 100 meter home stretch. He tells me over and over again, he doesn't think when he runs, which I believe.

 
Track guys, can you help me figure out State Qualifying Standards: https://www.mhsaa.com/portals/0/documents/BTR/addqual.pdf My son's running regionals today; running the 4x800 relay and the 800. Am I correct, that the top two regional finishers (relay team or individual) advance to states, no matter the time? Then, any team or individual that runs a time at or below the times on the link I posted also advances to states? I have Googled the heck out of this and cannot find clarity. Based on meet history and results this year, I'd guess my son has a chance to score points for his team in the 800, but will likely fall short of a chance at states. His season best in the 800 is a 2:04:6. Last year, the top finisher ran a 1:57:8 and is back this year and 2nd was way back at 2:02:4. There is at least one other 800 runner that has posted a sub 2:00 this season. If my son was to run and out of his mind 800 race, he'd either have to go top 2 or post a 1:57:84 or better to go to states, right? Here is the other thing that confuses me. The regional qualifying standard for the 800 is listed as 2:02:24, which is less than my son's season PR. Does this mean that each school can enter up to a set number of runners in any event, then, they can exceed this number if they have more runners that meet this standard? Excited for the entire event. His HS has won regionals back-to-back and should contend for a 3rd straight. I am already frigging nervous.
I think your general logic is correct = top two + others who meet the qualifying standard. But as Tom Cruise is told in The Last Samurai: "No mind." Same thing here - R can't be thinking about all these factors. (And this probably is just you obsessing :D .) He just needs to focus on technique and run crazy fast. Get him concentrating on stride length down the final backstretch, quick rotation rounding the final turn, and a strong arm pump to drive it home. Reach, rotate, ram it home.
The #1 thing I've learned in this chase to become an archery pro is the bolded. We call it the 'duh switch'. When you're competing on the line, you simply cannot think about all of the mechanics of your shot. Just flip on the duh switch and let the shots take care of themselves. You need to trust that all of your training has been engrained into your subconscious and just let the subconscious do it's thing.

Think about it this way.... when you're out for a run, are you thinking about the 257 different coordinated movements required to propel yourself forward? Of course not.... because your subconscious has learned to do it through years of repetition. Your conscious mind can only think 1 thought at a time.... Don't booger that up with all the worries about your finish time, how much the pain hurts, etc.

Tell him to go run and just sing a song in his head. His body and subconscious already know the effort required for the 800, its just a matter of trusting that and letting go.
Already there. He and I touched on this last night too: http://triathlete-europe.competitor.com/2010/04/06/train-brain-realise-goals No track talk today at all except that I'll see him there and for him to text me if he needs anything.

 
Track guys, can you help me figure out State Qualifying Standards: https://www.mhsaa.com/portals/0/documents/BTR/addqual.pdf My son's running regionals today; running the 4x800 relay and the 800. Am I correct, that the top two regional finishers (relay team or individual) advance to states, no matter the time? Then, any team or individual that runs a time at or below the times on the link I posted also advances to states? I have Googled the heck out of this and cannot find clarity. Based on meet history and results this year, I'd guess my son has a chance to score points for his team in the 800, but will likely fall short of a chance at states. His season best in the 800 is a 2:04:6. Last year, the top finisher ran a 1:57:8 and is back this year and 2nd was way back at 2:02:4. There is at least one other 800 runner that has posted a sub 2:00 this season. If my son was to run and out of his mind 800 race, he'd either have to go top 2 or post a 1:57:84 or better to go to states, right? Here is the other thing that confuses me. The regional qualifying standard for the 800 is listed as 2:02:24, which is less than my son's season PR. Does this mean that each school can enter up to a set number of runners in any event, then, they can exceed this number if they have more runners that meet this standard? Excited for the entire event. His HS has won regionals back-to-back and should contend for a 3rd straight. I am already frigging nervous.
I think your general logic is correct = top two + others who meet the qualifying standard. But as Tom Cruise is told in The Last Samurai: "No mind." Same thing here - R can't be thinking about all these factors. (And this probably is just you obsessing :D .) He just needs to focus on technique and run crazy fast. Get him concentrating on stride length down the final backstretch, quick rotation rounding the final turn, and a strong arm pump to drive it home. Reach, rotate, ram it home.
The #1 thing I've learned in this chase to become an archery pro is the bolded. We call it the 'duh switch'. When you're competing on the line, you simply cannot think about all of the mechanics of your shot. Just flip on the duh switch and let the shots take care of themselves. You need to trust that all of your training has been engrained into your subconscious and just let the subconscious do it's thing.

Think about it this way.... when you're out for a run, are you thinking about the 257 different coordinated movements required to propel yourself forward? Of course not.... because your subconscious has learned to do it through years of repetition. Your conscious mind can only think 1 thought at a time.... Don't booger that up with all the worries about your finish time, how much the pain hurts, etc.

Tell him to go run and just sing a song in his head. His body and subconscious already know the effort required for the 800, its just a matter of trusting that and letting go.
Already there. He and I touched on this last night too: http://triathlete-europe.competitor.com/2010/04/06/train-brain-realise-goals No track talk today at all except that I'll see him there and for him to text me if he needs anything.
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Visualization is so real. I'm sure most think it's all hocus pocus crap, but I promise it works.

 

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