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Ran a 10k in June (6 Viewers)

Getting back on track ...40 minute swim on Friday, 30 minutes with the 20 lb dumbells yesterday, and an easy 2 hour bike ride today.

Getting excited for next week's NY marathon! So it's going to be 3:45, eh, floppo? If that's the case - :bow:

SFDuck - nice win for the Ducks over USC! As long as you beat my Wolverines, you might as well keep winning to demonstrate that we lost to a quality team.
Looking forward to swimming, especially since it's the only thing my wife and I do together... forgot to :thumbup: you guys for catching that one originally. How'd it feel getting in the water, t-man?I could be all kinds of stupid about this- but the 3:45 just keeps coming up in my own computations. One problem with it is that I'll still have to decide on a pace group- either the 3:50 or the 3:40 and gauge accordingly since there isn't a 3:45 group. Or I could just go for it and try for it on my own (which most likely means 6:50 miles for the first 4 or 5, given my tri race experience :doh: ). I'll ask their advice when I sign up for one at the expo, and ask my PT buddy again when I see him on Tues... leaning towards starting with the faster group and working my way back if need be- even though that goes against typical marathon advice to start slowly... I've mentioned I'm dim, right?

I'm just imagining how to phrase the PTTS and :bag: when I crawl back in here on Sunday night after blowing up the last 10k because I went out too fast with my ambitious goal-time, and finished slower than my IM 4:30 (goal #3). I'll be sure to wear my anti-TYS ear-muffs.
:bag: alert. It occured to me that I have an Excel sheet built for my psyco-mind that can tabulate times mile by mile for a 1/2 marathon. It would take all of about 7 seconds to create a second column for another 13.1 and then total and it will spit out in hours:minutes:seconds. If this will help this process for you, let me know with a PM and an email address and I'll shoot it off. I know I way over think things but this gave me an insane mental boost as I didn't have to do the math while running.
 
I got stuck on a conference call from hell of over 3 hours today. I needed to check out mentally, so I headed over to the pictures from last weekends race, developed a theory on how to find hottie-runners and found these:

Go here: http://www.runphotos.com/ and be sure the '07 Detroit Free Press Marathon is up and enter the following bib numbers:

13607

14642

14683

12357

13681

12825

14138

14167

12271

13795

13581

13106

13981

14717

15191

14002

12302

15526

and yes, I do feel a bit :( -esque.

Discovered two other things over the weekend. First, there has to be some relationship between how much you run and how much your fantasy football team(s) suck. My teams are pathetic this year with no hope in sight. Second, a week is way to long to reward oneself with crappy food and too much booze. I ran 5 miles yesterday and seriously think I was sweating burbon, salt and grease.
:thumbup: Very Inspirational! I've highlighted some of my favorites.
 
Getting back on track ...40 minute swim on Friday, 30 minutes with the 20 lb dumbells yesterday, and an easy 2 hour bike ride today.

Getting excited for next week's NY marathon! So it's going to be 3:45, eh, floppo? If that's the case - :bow:

SFDuck - nice win for the Ducks over USC! As long as you beat my Wolverines, you might as well keep winning to demonstrate that we lost to a quality team.
Looking forward to swimming, especially since it's the only thing my wife and I do together... forgot to :no: you guys for catching that one originally. How'd it feel getting in the water, t-man?I could be all kinds of stupid about this- but the 3:45 just keeps coming up in my own computations. One problem with it is that I'll still have to decide on a pace group- either the 3:50 or the 3:40 and gauge accordingly since there isn't a 3:45 group. Or I could just go for it and try for it on my own (which most likely means 6:50 miles for the first 4 or 5, given my tri race experience :doh: ). I'll ask their advice when I sign up for one at the expo, and ask my PT buddy again when I see him on Tues... leaning towards starting with the faster group and working my way back if need be- even though that goes against typical marathon advice to start slowly... I've mentioned I'm dim, right?

I'm just imagining how to phrase the PTTS and :bag: when I crawl back in here on Sunday night after blowing up the last 10k because I went out too fast with my ambitious goal-time, and finished slower than my IM 4:30 (goal #3). I'll be sure to wear my anti-TYS ear-muffs.
:nerd: alert. It occured to me that I have an Excel sheet built for my psyco-mind that can tabulate times mile by mile for a 1/2 marathon. It would take all of about 7 seconds to create a second column for another 13.1 and then total and it will spit out in hours:minutes:seconds. If this will help this process for you, let me know with a PM and an email address and I'll shoot it off. I know I way over think things but this gave me an insane mental boost as I didn't have to do the math while running.
Do you memorize them, or print a squib sheet onto an armband ala an NFL QB? I appreciate the offer, but I know I'll need to run something like an 8:35 pace- I'm only going to think about mile to mile and keeping within a +or- 5-10sec swing of it- trying to remember the splits would make me :loco: ...

Have you seen the Cool Running pace calculator?

Funny- during my IM marathon, I was so fried I couldn't figure out pacing or splits for the last 10k given something like an hour time goal. The brain played tricks on me... I played tricks right back.

 
Do you memorize them, or print a squib sheet onto an armband ala an NFL QB?

While I know you were kidding, they were committed, loosely, to memory. In preparing, I wanted to be focused on everything I could imagine. Looking back, it wasn't to freak myself out, but rather to keep me sane as I had never done anything like this before. I also used the time to plot music on the MP3, knowing that it I hit point X before song X played, I was doing great, but if X played before I got to X I needed to pick it up. I knew I'd would lose the Garmin signal in the tunnel so I felt I needed more information for the 4+ miles after the tunnel. Cool thing was, the signal came right back when I came out and came darn close to hitting 13.1 when I finished, I have no idea how this worked, but it did the same for my wife too.

I have a odd feel for numbers that I really can't explain, but it works for me.

Great link, btw.

 
Received my Yoga for Athletes DVD this afternoon, but I'm not sure when I'll get around to watching it. Did a fast 4-miler yesterday afternoon (7:11 pace) and played basketball this morning.

Can't wait until it's a couple of months from now and I can start really training for Boston. It's just so much easier getting motivated to go running when there's a specific goal in mind.

 
Is PBS local programming? In Chicago, they're airing a show on marathoning right now ...taking very average folks to see if they can get ready for the Boston marathon 40 weeks hence. Don't know if any of you can get this or have seen it (if it's been on before).

 
Sent an email with logisitcal, race-day questions about NYC to an old TNT and IM tri-mate of mine who I know is running it again this year. Turns out, his goals and training pace/times matches mine to the minute!

So it looks like we're going to try and run it together which I've always found to be a help, especially with pacing- both keeping things dialed back, and pushing when things need to get dialed up. I am pretty psyched about this, even though he's not a female PYT.

Also got friends to join my wife with the baby up at the race-course, which is a relief. I was almost going to have her stay at home rather than shlep the boy and his jalopy stroller around through the crowds up there.

My evil plan is all falling into place... :lmao: :coffee: ... now I'm going to shoot for a sub 3:00.

 
Is PBS local programming? In Chicago, they're airing a show on marathoning right now ...taking very average folks to see if they can get ready for the Boston marathon 40 weeks hence. Don't know if any of you can get this or have seen it (if it's been on before).
I recorded this last night. It was called Marathon Challenge, and it premiered last night. Additional information is available on their website.I'm hoping that I'll get a chance to watch it either tonight or tomorrow night, but I just bought one of the new 8-gig iPod Nanos, so now I've got to start the arduous process of taking my RealPlayer Music Store tracks, burning them to CDs, ripping them into iTunes, and then adding back all the artist and title information. Good times.

Oh yeah, did an 8-mile run this morning at an OK pace (8:04), but felt kinda crappy doing it. Probably a combination of not enough sleep, not enough fuel, and the 18-mph headwind for the first four miles.

 
lumpy - was that Nike program an on-line program to enter data, or was it something you wear while running (ala Garmin) to record the workouts? You had described it before, but I'm not remembering.
There's a sensor that goes in your shoe, if you have nike + compatible shoes it actually goes in the sole of the shoe and you won't even know its there.There's a second sensor that plugs into the bottom of your ipod nano which you calibrate with the sensor in your sneaker. Once calibrated all the run data is stored on your ipod. When you plug your ipod into the computer to charge or update playlists or whatever it loads all your run date to nikeplus.com.The sensor works for about 800-1000 miles and then the battery will die out and you'll have to buy another one($29.99)
 
Oh yeah, did an 8-mile run this morning at an OK pace (8:04), but felt kinda crappy doing it. Probably a combination of not enough sleep, not enough fuel, and the 18-mph headwind for the first four miles.
Did my 2nd to last pre-race run- 4m, easy-weasy pace with a mile pickup at race-pace from mile 2-3.I didn't have the headwind, but I felt like crap. Did the 2nd mile at "singing" pace- sang bits and pieces of songs while I ran to make sure I was going slow... and boy was I.WAHOO!!!! :popcorn:
 
lumpy - was that Nike program an on-line program to enter data, or was it something you wear while running (ala Garmin) to record the workouts? You had described it before, but I'm not remembering.
There's a sensor that goes in your shoe, if you have nike + compatible shoes it actually goes in the sole of the shoe and you won't even know its there.There's a second sensor that plugs into the bottom of your ipod nano which you calibrate with the sensor in your sneaker. Once calibrated all the run data is stored on your ipod. When you plug your ipod into the computer to charge or update playlists or whatever it loads all your run date to nikeplus.com.The sensor works for about 800-1000 miles and then the battery will die out and you'll have to buy another one($29.99)
Thanks. I don't personally carry an ipod, and don't desire such fine-tuned info, but I'd imagine a few of the anal-retentive types floating around here :tinfoilhat: might be intrigued.
 
For those of you who use the CLIF SHOT Bloks, how do you carry them? I've always used the Green Apple POWERBAR Gels, but I've never really liked the texture, and lately they've been making my stomach turn. I just went and picked up four different flavors of the SHOT Bloks from my local running store (Cran-Razz, Strawberry, Black Cherry, and Orange), and I figured I'd give them a try. But I'm wondering (1) if the packages are easy to open while you're running, and (2) how you keep the 2nd serving from falling out of the open package after you eat the 1st serving.

Also, I see that while the SHOT Bloks and the gels have a similar number of carbs, there's A LOT more sodium (200 mg vs. 70 mg) per serving of the gel. Don't know if I really like that....

Any thoughts/experiences that you'd like to share??

 
lumpy - was that Nike program an on-line program to enter data, or was it something you wear while running (ala Garmin) to record the workouts? You had described it before, but I'm not remembering.
There's a sensor that goes in your shoe, if you have nike + compatible shoes it actually goes in the sole of the shoe and you won't even know its there.There's a second sensor that plugs into the bottom of your ipod nano which you calibrate with the sensor in your sneaker. Once calibrated all the run data is stored on your ipod. When you plug your ipod into the computer to charge or update playlists or whatever it loads all your run date to nikeplus.com.The sensor works for about 800-1000 miles and then the battery will die out and you'll have to buy another one($29.99)
Thanks. I don't personally carry an ipod, and don't desire such fine-tuned info, but I'd imagine a few of the anal-retentive types floating around here :popcorn: might be intrigued.
The Garmin 201 and a rainman-esque memory works just fine for me, thanks, not that you meant me :lmao:
 
For those of you who use the CLIF SHOT Bloks, how do you carry them? I've always used the Green Apple POWERBAR Gels, but I've never really liked the texture, and lately they've been making my stomach turn. I just went and picked up four different flavors of the SHOT Bloks from my local running store (Cran-Razz, Strawberry, Black Cherry, and Orange), and I figured I'd give them a try. But I'm wondering (1) if the packages are easy to open while you're running, and (2) how you keep the 2nd serving from falling out of the open package after you eat the 1st serving.Also, I see that while the SHOT Bloks and the gels have a similar number of carbs, there's A LOT more sodium (200 mg vs. 70 mg) per serving of the gel. Don't know if I really like that....Any thoughts/experiences that you'd like to share??
I fumbled with the packet they came in the first test run with these so I went to plan B and roll them in a sandwich bag and put them in the little key pouch in my shorts. I do a mix of the bloks that I can ID by color and need like more salt (magaritta) caffiene (cola) and like the lemon-lime best (although the orange is good too).As a piece of advice, I wouldn't try to eat the whole chunk at once. I found it easier to put in my cheek and eat little bits at a time. And, you will need water to wash it down like the packet says.
 
hey fellas,

what kinda cold weather gear are you wearing for the winter runs?

guy at work was pumping me up on Under Armour's products but i'm not sure what's what. they all look the same.

 
hey fellas,what kinda cold weather gear are you wearing for the winter runs? guy at work was pumping me up on Under Armour's products but i'm not sure what's what. they all look the same.
Good question Furley. What do you guys reccommend? Last winter=cotton.
 
I am running tommorw morning for the nd time since the marathon. I hobbled around for a couple days after a 20 minute run so hopefully I feel better this time. I'm only going 3 miles. I saw the Boston marathon show and thought it was great. I was clapping for them at the end of the show. Tingly.

So I am loosely planning on running the marathon in Fargo in May. It would require starting the program in January. I fear a lot of treadmill time if it is too cold. It is a fairly new race. Has anyone ran it?

 
hey fellas,

what kinda cold weather gear are you wearing for the winter runs?

guy at work was pumping me up on Under Armour's products but i'm not sure what's what. they all look the same.
I do think that the Under Armour stuff is for real. I've got a couple of long-sleeved cold gear tops and a pair of tights, and they're great. Up top, I'm usually just fine with the Under Armour and a waterproof windbreaker. I usually just wear lined wind pants with a pair of Hind windproof briefs. The last thing I want is for my junk to get frostbitten. Top it off with a moisture-wicking hat and a pair of gloves, and I'm good to go.
 
I'm hoping that I'll get a chance to watch it either tonight or tomorrow night...
Just got done watching Marathon Challenge, and I seriously got goose bumps at the end watching the team members crossing the finish line. I actually got a little choked up thinking that it's going to be ME running that some course and crossing that same finish line in less than 6 months! I seriously can't wait.
 
I'm running the Komen Austin 5K Sunday at 8 a.m. It should be plenty of fun following the big monthly poker tournament which usually involves a 12 pack of beer and half pack of smokes.

 
gruecd said:
hey fellas,

what kinda cold weather gear are you wearing for the winter runs?

guy at work was pumping me up on Under Armour's products but i'm not sure what's what. they all look the same.
I do think that the Under Armour stuff is for real. I've got a couple of long-sleeved cold gear tops and a pair of tights, and they're great. Up top, I'm usually just fine with the Under Armour and a waterproof windbreaker. I usually just wear lined wind pants with a pair of Hind windproof briefs. The last thing I want is for my junk to get frostbitten. Top it off with a moisture-wicking hat and a pair of gloves, and I'm good to go.
Bottom layer is the key for me. I wear my warm weather clothes in the bottom layer so that they wick my sweat, and then wear whatever seems comfortable for the temperature on top of it. The colder it gets, the more layers. In WI you may need to look like the little kid in Christmas Story Furley :thumbup: . I have a couple of pairs of running tights that are a must bottom layer for my bottom half, wear short sleeve wicking shirts for the bottom layer of my top half, and also like to wear a stocking cap or skull cap (I have my favorites), but everything else I just adding to the warmth.
 
gruecd said:
hey fellas,

what kinda cold weather gear are you wearing for the winter runs?

guy at work was pumping me up on Under Armour's products but i'm not sure what's what. they all look the same.
I do think that the Under Armour stuff is for real. I've got a couple of long-sleeved cold gear tops and a pair of tights, and they're great. Up top, I'm usually just fine with the Under Armour and a waterproof windbreaker. I usually just wear lined wind pants with a pair of Hind windproof briefs. The last thing I want is for my junk to get frostbitten. Top it off with a moisture-wicking hat and a pair of gloves, and I'm good to go.
Bottom layer is the key for me. I wear my warm weather clothes in the bottom layer so that they wick my sweat, and then wear whatever seems comfortable for the temperature on top of it. The colder it gets, the more layers. In WI you may need to look like the little kid in Christmas Story Furley ;) . I have a couple of pairs of running tights that are a must bottom layer for my bottom half, wear short sleeve wicking shirts for the bottom layer of my top half, and also like to wear a stocking cap or skull cap (I have my favorites), but everything else I just adding to the warmth.
:blackdot: I've never used the Under Armour... guess I'll give it a try when I have to add replacements.

I'll add that I like to use versatile pieces that layer well or can be peeled off easily and used in both cool and cold conditions- my favorites are 3/4 length running knickers, arm warmers and a vest. I can go out on a pretty cool day (low 40s) and feel comfortable just in those (or even in shorts instead of the tights), with a good shortsleeve shirt under the vest. If it warms up, I can peel the arm warmers down or take them off and/or unzip/take off the vest the vest. Again- I like using a tri-shirt as a base- good for running, and has rear pockets like a standard cycling shirt. I'll stash all of that stuff, including gloves and hat, in the back pockets if need be.

When it gets colder, I'll throw a shell or jacket and some running sweats over it.

I like having two sets of gloves- one glove liner and one heavy-duty. Hats range from head-band w/ear flaps, running cap, skull-cap, balaclava (I've done one 4deg, 10m race in early Feb where I wore ALL of those)

 
My winter gear is similar to that mentioned already - wicking clothing underneath, and a variety of layers. My personal priorities are to wear some light-weight gloves, then to add long-sleeves and a double-layer around the trunk, then a hat. I rarely need much more on the legs than some running tights, and my feet survive with my running shoes. It becomes a matter of experimentation, but working with the right kind of fabrics.

You can find gear at many of the on-line sites.

During marathon training last winter, I had some runs where my gatorade was starting to freeze, and some where I ended up with icicles around the edge of my cap. :thumbup: :bag: :nerd:

 
I try to run as long as there is not ice and snow on the ground and did a Turkey Trot in single digit wind chills. For winter gear, I have the Brooks running pants with a wicking lining and have their winter jock. Up top, I wear a long sleeve wicking shirt and have an Asicis top that zips half way in to a turtle neck. Cool thing about it, is that it has longer sleeves and holes for my thumbs that acts like a glove and covers most of the hand. I don't like those meat packer gloves all that much (maybe because I worked in a slaughter house/meat packing plant for 4 summers during college). Plus, its nice to have the fingers free to fiddle with the Garmin & the MP3. For a hat, I found a simple hat out in Idaho that is made to go inside a snowmobile helmet and wicks the moisture away in freakish amounts. I ran in about 38 degrees a week one morning the past week in shorts, the two tops and the hat as was comfortable.

 
hey fellas,what kinda cold weather gear are you wearing for the winter runs?
For last January's PF Chang's marathon, it was 30degrees at the gun. I wore my usual shorts/shirt/cap, but also a pair of sweatpants (nylon?) and a light sweatshirt (almost tshirt material). I stripped off the sweatshirt about mile12, and thought about ditching the sweatpants around mile22 as they were actually getting warm. Of course, it would have stayed 30degrees in WI weather, so I probably would have kept them on the whole race.
guy at work was pumping me
:nttiawwt:
 
I think my kid is sensing my nervousness/excitement about the race... he's decided to throw the lack of sleep thing into overdrive the last couple of nights. So I got that going for me, which is nice. :shrug: ..... ( :lol: ..... just getting my PTTS's warmed up).

 
:fishing: I think the cold weather turned drivers in to a bunch of #######. I had the nearest of misses on my run this evening. What looked like a teenager driving with her mom turned left turned against the red and came within about 2” of hitting me as I ran across an intersection. I ended up eye to eye with the mom in the passenger side window. I only ran 4.5 miles and got cut off one more time and had to run around one more ######## that didn’t look. :shrug:

Any tips on core work? I don’t have a lot of time, but have been trying to do some type of ab work almost every day with some push-ups.

El F, quit being a me. This should help, the weather looks perfect in NYC for the race: http://www.accuweather.com/forecast.asp?pa...01&metric=0

 
2Young2BBald said:
:bag: I think the cold weather turned drivers in to a bunch of #######. I had the nearest of misses on my run this evening. What looked like a teenager driving with her mom turned left turned against the red and came within about 2” of hitting me as I ran across an intersection. I ended up eye to eye with the mom in the passenger side window. I only ran 4.5 miles and got cut off one more time and had to run around one more ######## that didn’t look. :hot:

Any tips on core work? I don’t have a lot of time, but have been trying to do some type of ab work almost every day with some push-ups.

El F, quit being a me. This should help, the weather looks perfect in NYC for the race: http://www.accuweather.com/forecast.asp?pa...01&metric=0
:thumbup: on the core-work... I've got some that I like, but it's been years since my gut has seen a sit-up, so I'll let the experts chime in.Yeah- the weather looks perfect: 40s to low 50s and partly cloudy. However... :( ... it could be pretty windy.

eta: How was the light during your near-miss? Dusk is a ####e time for messing with traffic... do you have any lights or reflector bands?

 
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2Young2BBald said:
:nerd: I think the cold weather turned drivers in to a bunch of #######. I had the nearest of misses on my run this evening. What looked like a teenager driving with her mom turned left turned against the red and came within about 2” of hitting me as I ran across an intersection. I ended up eye to eye with the mom in the passenger side window. I only ran 4.5 miles and got cut off one more time and had to run around one more ######## that didn’t look. :cry:

Any tips on core work? I don’t have a lot of time, but have been trying to do some type of ab work almost every day with some push-ups.

El F, quit being a me. This should help, the weather looks perfect in NYC for the race: http://www.accuweather.com/forecast.asp?pa...01&metric=0
:popcorn: on the core-work... I've got some that I like, but it's been years since my gut has seen a sit-up, so I'll let the experts chime in.Yeah- the weather looks perfect: 40s to low 50s and partly cloudy. However... :kicksrock: ... it could be pretty windy.

eta: How was the light during your near-miss? Dusk is a ####e time for messing with traffic... do you have any lights or reflector bands?
She had no excuse (other than being a young driver). I ran at 5:30ish so there was plenty of light and the top I had on is construction cone orange. Rewinding in my head, I kind of feel bad for the mom. She had this terrified look on her face that I can only imagine was there because she thought her daughter was going to hit me. With daylight savings time coming this weekend (don't forget Sunday!!!) I don't think I'll be running in the dark. The pavement around here stinks with plenty of old trees pushing up parts of tha pavement.
 
Article about banning headphones in races...

NYTimes link

USA Track & Field, the national governing body for running, this year banned the use of headphones and portable audio players like iPods at its official races. The new rule was created to ensure safety and to prevent runners from having a competitive edge.

But trying to enforce such a rule on a 26.2-mile course filled with thousands of runners may be futile. The New York City Marathon, which strongly discourages the use of audio players, will not attempt to police its field on Sunday for lack of a surefire way to carry out the ban.

Technically, at last weekend’s Marine Corps Marathon here, and even at much smaller events like the Creaky Bones 5-kilometer race in Florida and the Corn Maze 4-miler in Tennessee, runners should not have had the luxury of listening to their favorite songs along the way. Marine Corps Marathon officials threatened to disqualify runners using headphones, but did not follow through.

“To ban them outright is just stupid, and if they want to disqualify me, they can,” Jennifer Lamkins, a teacher from Long Beach Calif., said before running the Marine Corps Marathon. “If they are banning them because we can’t hear directions, does that mean they should ban deaf people, too?”

Elite runners do not listen to music in races because they need to concentrate on their own bodies and hear their competitors, and some die-hard, old-school runners follow suit. Those runners — purists who prefer the sound of the crowd or their own breathing over, say, “Fergalicious” — cheered the headphone ban.

But for competitors who use music as a motivational tool while training and competing, the ban was frustrating, as if the race directors were forcing them to run barefoot.

With technological advances leading to smaller and smaller audio players that are easier to carry and conceal during races, the rift in the sport and the debate over the issue seems to be here to stay.

“They can ban iPods all they want, but how do you think they are going to enforce that when those things have gotten so small?” said Richie Sais, 46, a police officer in Suffolk County on Long Island, before running the Marine Corps Marathon.

“I dare them to find the iPod on me,” he said, adding that he had clipped his iPod Shuffle, which is barely larger than a quarter, under his shirt.

Some events strongly discouraged the use of audio players in the past, but the track and field federation’s new rule mandated an outright ban so that runners would be more aware of their surroundings and be able to clearly hear race announcements or warnings from other runners.

Jill Geer, spokeswoman for USA Track & Field, said the ban was “basically an insurance issue,” because rates rise substantially if headphones are allowed. Each sanctioned race receives liability insurance from USA Track & Field, and it would be up to each race director to enforce the ban. If the ban were ignored, the races would be liable in the event of an accident caused by someone using headphones, Geer said.

While race officials could not cite specific incidents caused by headphone users, they did say that the new rule would make races safer because it improves communication. Still, they fear that banning headphones may alienate some recreational runners.

“Years ago, the picture of people running marathons was these lean, mean Type-A male running machines, but today people running are your neighbors, just regular people,” said Tracy Sundlun, executive vice president for Elite Racing, which organizes marathons. “It’s a different sport now and we have to cater to these new people, not exclude them”

Coming up with a way to enforce a headphone ban — if enforcement is even possible — has been a challenge for race organizers. Some have already taken a hard line, like the Grandma’s Marathon in Duluth, Minn., in June, which had a field of about 7,000 runners. Race officials collected iPods at the start and then mailed them back to competitors. Still, 30 maverick runners who broke the rules and used headphones were disqualified.

“We proved that it is very possible to enforce,” said Scott Keenan, the Grandma’s Marathon race director. “If other races are allowing it, then shame on them.”

Others are more lenient. The New York City Marathon’s race director, Mary Wittenberg, said it would be impossible to police a race with 38,000 runners moving through five boroughs. Wittenberg, who admitted that she used U2 songs to help get her through tough workouts, did not rule out a ban in the future. If all the major marathons agreed to enforce the rule, New York City would follow, she said.....
(there's more to the article)
 
2Young2BBald said:
Any tips on core work? I don’t have a lot of time, but have been trying to do some type of ab work almost every day with some push-ups.
:yes!:- regular sit-ups, either with feet hooked under the edge of a couch, or just slow and careful with your legs/knees bent. When the feet are hooked, I'll do some where I twist a bit to touch an elbow to the opposite knee. Set or two of whatever length (if I do 30-40 push-ups, the set here will be the same number).- sit-up variation for the obliques: Lie on your side (resting on a butt cheek), hook lower leg under couch, cross top leg across lower and hook it under couch. Cross arms at the chest. Carefully lift up (sideways) and back down. Set or two. A bit awkward to position, but you'll feel it.- lie on floor with legs/knees bent, and stare straight up. Cross your arms lightly on your chest. Lift your upper body just a bit as though being pulled straight up to the ceiling, then back down. Set or two. Lift the upper body - don't make it a neck strain.- lie on floor with legs extended almost straight. Lift legs a few inches and hold them for a count of 10 or 20. Repeat a few times.- rest on floor, propped on elbows. Do bicycle-like motion, suspending legs in the air and alternate bringing them up toward your chest - either circular or more of a pumping action.- another oblique exercise is a push-up variation: While on your side, prop yourself up on an elbow with ankles crossed (so just bottom arm and feet are on the ground). Rest (upper) hand lightly on neck. Dip the upper elbow down to the floor in front of you and back up. Set or two. Switch to other side and repeat. Not as hard as a regular push-up, but very good for the obliques.
 
2Young2BBald said:
Any tips on core work? I don’t have a lot of time, but have been trying to do some type of ab work almost every day with some push-ups.
:yes!:- regular sit-ups, either with feet hooked under the edge of a couch, or just slow and careful with your legs/knees bent. When the feet are hooked, I'll do some where I twist a bit to touch an elbow to the opposite knee. Set or two of whatever length (if I do 30-40 push-ups, the set here will be the same number).

- sit-up variation for the obliques: Lie on your side (resting on a butt cheek), hook lower leg under couch, cross top leg across lower and hook it under couch. Cross arms at the chest. Carefully lift up (sideways) and back down. Set or two. A bit awkward to position, but you'll feel it.

- lie on floor with legs/knees bent, and stare straight up. Cross your arms lightly on your chest. Lift your upper body just a bit as though being pulled straight up to the ceiling, then back down. Set or two. Lift the upper body - don't make it a neck strain. Alternative: reach up alternating arms as if you're reaching up a rope- but like tri-man says, don't strain the neck. I'll vary these by changing where I reach.

- lie on floor with legs extended almost straight. Lift legs a few inches and hold them for a count of 10 or 20. Repeat a few times. Alternative: move feet back and forth, parallel to ground over and under eachother while lying like this

- rest on floor, propped on elbows. Do bicycle-like motion, suspending legs in the air and alternate bringing them up toward your chest - either circular or more of a pumping action.

- another oblique exercise is a push-up variation: While on your side, prop yourself up on an elbow with ankles crossed (so just bottom arm and feet are on the ground). Rest (upper) hand lightly on neck. Dip the upper elbow down to the floor in front of you and back up. Set or two. Switch to other side and repeat. Not as hard as a regular push-up, but very good for the obliques.

- Superman... lie on stomache with arms out in front. Lift arms and legs up at the same time.

- Butt-cruncher :goodposting: ... lying on back, push your body up from your shoulders and feet- make your quads parallel to ground, squeeze butt and hold. it burns... oh yes, it burns.
Hey now... those are older-school than what I was doing! Are we supposed to say "Alley-Oop" at the end of each rep?
 
2Young2BBald said:
:blackdot: I think the cold weather turned drivers in to a bunch of #######. I had the nearest of misses on my run this evening. What looked like a teenager driving with her mom turned left turned against the red and came within about 2” of hitting me as I ran across an intersection. I ended up eye to eye with the mom in the passenger side window. I only ran 4.5 miles and got cut off one more time and had to run around one more ######## that didn’t look. :thumbup:

Any tips on core work? I don’t have a lot of time, but have been trying to do some type of ab work almost every day with some push-ups.

El F, quit being a me. This should help, the weather looks perfect in NYC for the race: http://www.accuweather.com/forecast.asp?pa...01&metric=0
I neglected to mention this before, but I had a somewhat similar encounter on last Saturday. I was about 10 miles into the 13.4 miler and I was running down the left side of a 4 lane road, there is a sidewalk but it is not level and I don't like to run on it. I looked up ahead and I saw this white sedan coming at me in the right lane (for her) and it looked like she was steering towards the side of the road. I had a good friend riding her bike with me that morning and she heard me say, "that car looks like it is turning toward me". I moved over so that I was almost running in the grass and the danged woman in the white car was looking directly at me and purposely steering in my direction. She honked at me while she missed me by less than what seemed like less than a foot. I turned around and yelled something about her being a stupid bi-something or other. I know she heard me. If I had been thinking right I would have gotten her license number so that I could report her. She really had no excuse, I was not in her way, she was the only car in the area so she had a lane to her left which she could have moved into. I will never forget the way she looked right at me as she got closer. Fargin Icehole. But this won't keep me form running on the roads despite all the bastages.

 
Temps in northeast WI in the mid 30s this morning with wind chills in the upper 20s. Was planning on doing 12 this morning and 4 tomorrow, but I couldn't drag my butt out of bed early enough, so I decided to flip-flop my schedule and run long tomorrow instead. The run went fine, but I wanted to give Furley and the others an idea of what to wear in this type of weather. Up top I wore my long-sleeve C9 compression shirt from Target (saving the Under Armour until it gets really cold) along with my New Balance windbreaker. Wore my regular running shorts (with the built-in brief) and threw a pair of windpants over the top. Added a hat and a pair of $1 "painter's gloves" from Menards, and I was good to go. I was plenty warm throughout the run, and by the time I found myself running the 4th mile with the wind at my back, I'd unzipped the jacket completely, and the hat was in my pocket.

For those of you who like the idea of Under Armour but don't want to spend that kind of money (since it never goes on sale), I'd suggest checking out the C9 line at Target. Not bad stuff, and it's a lot less expensive.

Good luck to El Floppo and Righetti this weekend. Looking forward to your race reports!

ETA: There's something about running on cold, dark mornings that has an almost cathartic effect on me. It's hard getting out of bed, but once my feet hit the pavement, it's awesome.

 
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Good luck in NY this weekend El Floppo (and to Righetti if he checks here).

Good luck to all of the other racers this weekend too.
I wish to second that. Good luck to everyone.
Yes! Best wishes to El Floppo, Righetti, and Bentley.
:thumbup: Make us proud!! I'll be sitting on the beach at the Atlantis thinking about you guys absolutely nothing!
:lmao: Sipping pina coloda, I hope. Have a blast!

Thanks a lot guys- we'll see how it goes. I know I'll have everybody's good thoughts running through my head if things get bleak. It's been a pleasure and an inspiration riding the 10k train with you guys- I know without a doubt that I wouldn't have gotten gotten myself back into shape without this thread. :bow:

30 minutes today, with a 1/2m pickup at race pace. Felt pretty meh. :shrug: ... which is what you're supposed to feel during the taper, IIRC. At least I hope IRC.

Looks like we're getting the tail end of Noel this weekend- rain and wind on Saturday with wind on Sunday. Temps supposedly 40s-50s which is perfect- we'll see about those winds, but c'est la guerre. :football:

 
So, I am pretty sure I broke my pinky toe a couple of weeks ago. But, when I tape it up I can still run. I talked to my sister who is a nurse and a runner and she said to just take it easy in the winter. It really doesn't hurt that bad and a doctor is not going to do anything other than tape it anyway. I had planned on running the 5k Turkey Trot and then taking it easy until January (get good and fat over the holidays).

BUT I just signed up for the Hustle up the Hancock. I may scrap the 5k and heal my toe. Anyone have tips on training for a run up 95 flights of stairs?

I am on the 38th floor at work so the team from work will get the building to allow us to run in the stairs during the week. I guess do that twice then run some miles on flat ground another day.

 
I just signed up for the Hustle up the Hancock. I may scrap the 5k and heal my toe. Anyone have tips on training for a run up 95 flights of stairs?

I am on the 38th floor at work so the team from work will get the building to allow us to run in the stairs during the week. I guess do that twice then run some miles on flat ground another day.
It might be good to run the stairs once, but rather fast, one day. Then the next day, on tired legs, do two cycles (or three, since you'll be coming down (carefully) between cycles). OR run the flat ground first and then hit the stairs. At home, you can be doing squats and lunges. But heal that toe first!And hey, thread-starting man, any early running goals for next spring/summer?

 
I just signed up for the Hustle up the Hancock. I may scrap the 5k and heal my toe. Anyone have tips on training for a run up 95 flights of stairs?

I am on the 38th floor at work so the team from work will get the building to allow us to run in the stairs during the week. I guess do that twice then run some miles on flat ground another day.
It might be good to run the stairs once, but rather fast, one day. Then the next day, on tired legs, do two cycles (or three, since you'll be coming down (carefully) between cycles). OR run the flat ground first and then hit the stairs. At home, you can be doing squats and lunges. But heal that toe first!And hey, thread-starting man, any early running goals for next spring/summer?
Thanks for the tips. I am already doing squats and lunges (:finger:) at home on a regular basis. Am thinking of adding weighted step ups as well for the Hancock run. Not really planning on breaking any records. Just hope to finish ahead of most of the people in my work group.I will probably be coming down the elevator in between cycles.

I clearly need to heal the toe before the stair run as that will put a lot of pounding on it. I still think I can do the 5k in November then heal until December then start training in January (the Hancock is Feb 24 or something). We will see.

 
2Young2BBald said:
:lmao: I think the cold weather turned drivers in to a bunch of #######. I had the nearest of misses on my run this evening. What looked like a teenager driving with her mom turned left turned against the red and came within about 2” of hitting me as I ran across an intersection. I ended up eye to eye with the mom in the passenger side window.
You should have flopped on the hood (assuming she stopped wrt the 2" miss), and offered her a Mentos.
But trying to enforce such a rule on a 26.2-mile course filled with thousands of runners may be futile.
EMP. :shrug:
 

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