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SFBayDuck said:
Sand said:
SFBayDuck said:
Sand said:
SFBayDuck said:
I've been on this exact spot three times in the past month, and a couple of dozen times the past few years: California cliff collapse: 1 killed when rock gives way after warnings
So is that the trail going right across the now non existent edge?
Pretty much.

I took these on February 22nd, one month to the day before this happend:

This one is looking out to the West, and the collapsed area is the right side out past the little rock formation on the trail

This one is the opposite angle looking back East, and where I was standing when I took it I probably would have been screwed.
Eesh. Your link did show a picture showing the fracture prior to collapse - that was just a matter of time.
They put up warning signs at the trail head, 4 miles from there. But I don't understand why they didn't just block off the end of that trail altogether. When I was last out there there less than 2 weeks ago, March 12th, I remember seeing some small cracks. Nothing like those pics, but it had already started then.

tri-man 47 said:
SFBayDuck said:
I've been on this exact spot three times in the past month, and a couple of dozen times the past few years: California cliff collapse: 1 killed when rock gives way after warnings

Aerial pic of collapse

Now my girlfriend is even more nervous about my weekend solo 3-5 hour adventures. I do (usually) write down where I'm going and my planned route and when I expect to be home, but I do deviate at times. Scary stuff.....
And you have a Road ID, right?
Um, yeah :oldunsure:

Ok, not yet :bag:

I probably should get on that.
My Link

 
A road id? I'm sure that will be real helpful when they find him amongst the pile of boulders. Hows about just not running across trails that are about to collapse? Also, avoid trails with "deadmans" or "devils" in the name.

HTH

 
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Caesar Rodney Race Report
This is my first time running this race, and I was impressed on how well the race was organized. There was plenty of parking, picking up the race packet was a breeze, and so was the gear check. I have only been to Wilmington a few times and I always surprised to see how empty the city is.

Because of the hills in miles 7-9 I didn’t want to go out too fast, so the plan prerace was to keep the HR under 172 for the 1st 6 miles and then go from there. I was hoping that I would be under 6:30 pace for miles 1-6.

Elevation profile:

http://www.halfmarathons.net/course-map-caesar-rodney-half-marathon/

https://connect.garmin.com/activity/726530053

Miles 1-2 (6:19 164, 6:32 173): Mile 1 is mostly downhill and things were relaxed and easy. During mile two I tried to settle into my race pace it didn’t feel forced.

Miles 3-6 (6:49 172, 6:43 172, 6:38 173, 6:43 174): The start of mile 3 was a rude one in that as soon as we made the left to run along the river we were greeted with a tough headwind. This slowed me down a quite a bit and my watch went off at 6:37 but realized I wasn’t at the 3 mile marker yet. When I got to the mile marker I hit the lap button, and determined at this point that I had no shot on running sub 1:25. For miles 4-6 I was just trying to keep the HR around 172 and not use too much energy before miles 7-9.

Miles 7-9 (7:00, 173 7:10 170, 6:54 171): I didn’t really look at my watch much during these miles and I wasn’t doing much racing or competing, I was just getting through it.

Miles 10-12 (6:34 171,6:41 HR unknown, 6:30 170): I was actually pretty happy with mile 10, my legs snapped back from the hills and I ran this mile well passing a bunch of people. Miles 11 and 12 were ok, but I wasn’t really passing anyone or being passed.

Mile 13 (6:56 170 ) I gave back way too much time on the last mile, not happy about this. The last 0.3 of this race is a significant uphill, that sucked. Immediately after finishing I vomited, which I do often after 5Ks but never for anything longer. I blame the hill at the end.

Overall 1:28:12 AVG HR 171

I appreciate all the support in this thread and even though I expected a better time and effort in this race I am feeling better about my performance. In reviewing the results of this race I recognized some of the names and knew that two of them ran in the same race in which I set my old half PR in Sept. Both runners ran about 2 minutes slower Sun than the previous race.

 
Caesar Rodney Race Report

Miles 7-9 (7:00, 173 7:10 170, 6:54 171): I didn’t really look at my watch much during these miles and I wasn’t doing much racing or competing, I was just getting through it.

Mile 13 (6:56 170 ) I gave back way too much time on the last mile, not happy about this. The last 0.3 of this race is a significant uphill, that sucked. Immediately after finishing I vomited, which I do often after 5Ks but never for anything longer. I blame the hill at the end.
That's a great effort on miles 7-9, dude. That section is NOT easy.

Nice job puking! :hifive:

 
Thanks guys, Juxt don't be jealous of the vomiting. If I trained like you I'd be vomiting 3-4 times a week.

 
SFBayDuck said:
I've been on this exact spot three times in the past month, and a couple of dozen times the past few years: California cliff collapse: 1 killed when rock gives way after warnings

Aerial pic of collapse

Now my girlfriend is even more nervous about my weekend solo 3-5 hour adventures. I do (usually) write down where I'm going and my planned route and when I expect to be home, but I do deviate at times. Scary stuff.....
Saw that on your FB page, man that's a #####. Be careful bud, you trail junkies are all gonna end up Caballo Blanco if you ain't careful.

 
A road id? I'm sure that will be real helpful when they find him amongst the pile of boulders. Hows about just not running across trails that are about to collapse? Also, avoid trails with "deadmans" or "devils" in the name.

HTH
Or cows ...especially angry cows that'll chase ya down.

But seriously, such a bummer to hear of the tragedy out there. It's gotta be sad and surreal for those of you who regularly use that path.

pbm - great job with the PR and the race report. We've not had a good vomit incident for as long as I can remember.

 
Was wondering what your thoughts were on the benefits/usefulness of compression socks/sleeves? I've got this nagging Achilles tendinitis in my left leg. It flares up after runs and usually goes away in about a day or so, so I'm looking for ways to either prevent it or lessen the annoyance factor.

 
A road id? I'm sure that will be real helpful when they find him amongst the pile of boulders. Hows about just not running across trails that are about to collapse? Also, avoid trails with "deadmans" or "devils" in the name.

HTH
I think y'all are more likely to get hit by a car running on a road than I am to fall off a cliff, or have a cliff crumble underneath me, or be attacked by a mountain lion or a bear, or to get lost and get hypothermic overnight, or....

Ok, maybe I should be careful.

 
Was wondering what your thoughts were on the benefits/usefulness of compression socks/sleeves? I've got this nagging Achilles tendinitis in my left leg. It flares up after runs and usually goes away in about a day or so, so I'm looking for ways to either prevent it or lessen the annoyance factor.
Huge fan (I use the socks). I virtually always wear them on my runs (and have a lovely below-the-knee tan line to prove it), and I will often pull on a pair and wear them during the balance of the day after a long run.

As I've mentioned, I've been dealing with peroneal tendonitis (or some such injury) for the past month. Doc says to ice it after runs and take anti-inflammatories. What has helped after runs is to stick my foot/ankle in a bucket of cold water (with some ice added in) about 9-10 inches deep for about 10-15 minutes. I would think this would help for your tendon issue as well. Unfortunately, these tendons seem to take an extended time to heal, and it doesn't seem like you can massage away the pain/problem like with a sore muscle. Be patient! Hopefully it will start to improve.

 
A road id? I'm sure that will be real helpful when they find him amongst the pile of boulders. Hows about just not running across trails that are about to collapse? Also, avoid trails with "deadmans" or "devils" in the name.

HTH
I think y'all are more likely to get hit by a car running on a road than I am to fall off a cliff, or have a cliff crumble underneath me, or be attacked by a mountain lion or a bear, or to get lost and get hypothermic overnight, or....

Ok, maybe I should be careful.
True. But we would be seen by someone if hit.

 
A road id? I'm sure that will be real helpful when they find him amongst the pile of boulders. Hows about just not running across trails that are about to collapse? Also, avoid trails with "deadmans" or "devils" in the name.

HTH
I think y'all are more likely to get hit by a car running on a road than I am to fall off a cliff, or have a cliff crumble underneath me, or be attacked by a mountain lion or a bear, or to get lost and get hypothermic overnight, or....

Ok, maybe I should be careful.
True. But we would be seen by someone if hit.
You assume the person hitting you would actually stop. There was another hit & run in Charlotte last week. Seems like there are at least 2-3 a year around here between bikers/runners.If you gotta go, mountain lion on a remote trail in the deep woods is a pretty cool epitaph.

 
A road id? I'm sure that will be real helpful when they find him amongst the pile of boulders. Hows about just not running across trails that are about to collapse? Also, avoid trails with "deadmans" or "devils" in the name.

HTH
I think y'all are more likely to get hit by a car running on a road than I am to fall off a cliff, or have a cliff crumble underneath me, or be attacked by a mountain lion or a bear, or to get lost and get hypothermic overnight, or....

Ok, maybe I should be careful.
True. But we would be seen by someone if hit.
You assume the person hitting you would actually stop. There was another hit & run in Charlotte last week. Seems like there are at least 2-3 a year around here between bikers/runners.If you gotta go, mountain lion on a remote trail in the deep woods is a pretty cool epitaph.
No, actually I'm assuming he wouldn't. But there's usually more than one car on the road.

As for the epitaph, would anyone even know?

 
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Was wondering what your thoughts were on the benefits/usefulness of compression socks/sleeves? I've got this nagging Achilles tendinitis in my left leg. It flares up after runs and usually goes away in about a day or so, so I'm looking for ways to either prevent it or lessen the annoyance factor.
For whatever reason I tend to be prone to calf injuries, particularly running. Never had an injury with calf sleeves on - so now I always run with them.

Might be purely psychological, but if it works it works.

 
Was wondering what your thoughts were on the benefits/usefulness of compression socks/sleeves? I've got this nagging Achilles tendinitis in my left leg. It flares up after runs and usually goes away in about a day or so, so I'm looking for ways to either prevent it or lessen the annoyance factor.
For whatever reason I tend to be prone to calf injuries, particularly running. Never had an injury with calf sleeves on - so now I always run with them.

Might be purely psychological, but if it works it works.
Another option, one that I do when running heavy mileage, is to sleep in my sleeves. I have cranky achilles and this helps a lot.

 
A road id? I'm sure that will be real helpful when they find him amongst the pile of boulders. Hows about just not running across trails that are about to collapse? Also, avoid trails with "deadmans" or "devils" in the name.

HTH
I think y'all are more likely to get hit by a car running on a road than I am to fall off a cliff, or have a cliff crumble underneath me, or be attacked by a mountain lion or a bear, or to get lost and get hypothermic overnight, or....

Ok, maybe I should be careful.
True. But we would be seen by someone if hit.
You assume the person hitting you would actually stop. There was another hit & run in Charlotte last week. Seems like there are at least 2-3 a year around here between bikers/runners.If you gotta go, mountain lion on a remote trail in the deep woods is a pretty cool epitaph.
No, actually I'm assuming he wouldn't. But there's usually more than one car on the road.

As for the epitaph, would anyone even know?
Good point. Cougars like to boast of their conquests. Mountain lions, not so much.

 
A road id? I'm sure that will be real helpful when they find him amongst the pile of boulders. Hows about just not running across trails that are about to collapse? Also, avoid trails with "deadmans" or "devils" in the name.

HTH
I think y'all are more likely to get hit by a car running on a road than I am to fall off a cliff, or have a cliff crumble underneath me, or be attacked by a mountain lion or a bear, or to get lost and get hypothermic overnight, or....

Ok, maybe I should be careful.
True. But we would be seen by someone if hit.
You assume the person hitting you would actually stop. There was another hit & run in Charlotte last week. Seems like there are at least 2-3 a year around here between bikers/runners.If you gotta go, mountain lion on a remote trail in the deep woods is a pretty cool epitaph.
No, actually I'm assuming he wouldn't. But there's usually more than one car on the road.

As for the epitaph, would anyone even know?
Good point. Cougars like to boast of their conquests. Mountain lions, not so much.
Death by cougar sounds pretty good, actually. I was in grave danger last week, as I spent 4 days in Orange County.

 
I'll know more on Friday (a full 25 minute run) but it SEEMS like I might have slowed down too much?? :oldusure: I'm finishing longer distances feeling like I have more in the tank. Next week it looks like I start the part where there's no walking, so I think I have some adjusting to do.

 
I'll know more on Friday (a full 25 minute run) but it SEEMS like I might have slowed down too much?? :oldusure: I'm finishing longer distances feeling like I have more in the tank. Next week it looks like I start the part where there's no walking, so I think I have some adjusting to do.
Congrats! The bolded is exactly why you run slow.

 
I'll know more on Friday (a full 25 minute run) but it SEEMS like I might have slowed down too much?? :oldusure: I'm finishing longer distances feeling like I have more in the tank. Next week it looks like I start the part where there's no walking, so I think I have some adjusting to do.
Congrats! The bolded is exactly why you run slow.
So is the general consensus that I need to make sure I can finish the distance in some sort of "running" mode, use that as a baseline then increase speed slowly?

 
The Commish said:
Ned said:
The Commish said:
I'll know more on Friday (a full 25 minute run) but it SEEMS like I might have slowed down too much?? :oldusure: I'm finishing longer distances feeling like I have more in the tank. Next week it looks like I start the part where there's no walking, so I think I have some adjusting to do.
Congrats! The bolded is exactly why you run slow.
So is the general consensus that I need to make sure I can finish the distance in some sort of "running" mode, use that as a baseline then increase speed slowly?
Congrats on making it through 25 minutes. Yes run slow enough so you can finish running and if you feel like you can do more I would increase the distance or the number runs during the week rather than the pace.

 
The Commish said:
Ned said:
The Commish said:
I'll know more on Friday (a full 25 minute run) but it SEEMS like I might have slowed down too much?? :oldusure: I'm finishing longer distances feeling like I have more in the tank. Next week it looks like I start the part where there's no walking, so I think I have some adjusting to do.
Congrats! The bolded is exactly why you run slow.
So is the general consensus that I need to make sure I can finish the distance in some sort of "running" mode, use that as a baseline then increase speed slowly?
Congrats on making it through 25 minutes. Yes run slow enough so you can finish running and if you feel like you can do more I would increase the distance or the number runs during the week rather than the pace.
Not there yet....20 minute was last week....22 minutes this week. Next week it appears that I go for 25 minutes per day.

 
SFBayDuck said:
tri-man 47 said:
FUBAR said:
beer 30 said:
FUBAR said:
SFBayDuck said:
A road id? I'm sure that will be real helpful when they find him amongst the pile of boulders. Hows about just not running across trails that are about to collapse? Also, avoid trails with "deadmans" or "devils" in the name.

HTH
I think y'all are more likely to get hit by a car running on a road than I am to fall off a cliff, or have a cliff crumble underneath me, or be attacked by a mountain lion or a bear, or to get lost and get hypothermic overnight, or....

Ok, maybe I should be careful.
True. But we would be seen by someone if hit.
You assume the person hitting you would actually stop. There was another hit & run in Charlotte last week. Seems like there are at least 2-3 a year around here between bikers/runners.If you gotta go, mountain lion on a remote trail in the deep woods is a pretty cool epitaph.
No, actually I'm assuming he wouldn't. But there's usually more than one car on the road.

As for the epitaph, would anyone even know?
Good point. Cougars like to boast of their conquests. Mountain lions, not so much.
Death by cougar sounds pretty good, actually. I was in grave danger last week, as I spent 4 days in Orange County.
My assumption regarding the epitaph is that you would have someone that would eventually notice you were missing. I assume you are all responsible for some form of support for your family, either direct or indirect. So even if your family is like mine and wouldn't notice your absence until they either 1.) ran out of money 2.) noticed the lawn was a little high (high being somewhere between knee & mid thigh as they rarely go outside) 3.) have some form of automotive issue 4.) they notice the dog hasn't moved in days due to malnutrition/dehydration. At that point I again assume there would be some recollection the dad was semi-active and notice the piles of shoes and put 2 & 2 together. It wouldn't be a fast process, probably 3-4 weeks so your bones would probably be picked clean but the only way that you can quickly claim the life insurance proceeds is by producing a body so the incentive would be there...once they put the puzzle pieces together and remembered the policy.

Who am I kidding? I think she ups the insurance amount quarterly, it won't take nearly that long for them to find me.

 
Autumn Wind said:
Was wondering what your thoughts were on the benefits/usefulness of compression socks/sleeves? I've got this nagging Achilles tendinitis in my left leg. It flares up after runs and usually goes away in about a day or so, so I'm looking for ways to either prevent it or lessen the annoyance factor.
The only negative is I have become addicted to them. I wear regular socks to work and I'm sitting here at my desk muttering to myself I hate these ####### socks.

 
The 14 I ran Saturday knocked my confidence down a peg or two. Started out at Wellesley College and ran 7 out along the course to Newton Center (just short of Heartbreak) then back. Plan was to try to average 9s the whole way, roughly MGP. Weather was tough, high 20s with a brutal steady wind, tailwind on way out, smack in the face on way home. Overall averaged 9:04 for the run but first te were 8:45 and last 4 9:30. Started too fast and totally ran out of gas. It was all I could do to keep my feet moving at the end. And I had an overwhelming feeling of sleepiness, eyes were heavy and I literaly could have stopped and gone to sleep on the side of the road. It was weird, and as uncomfortable as I've ever been on any run.

I expected the HR data to be off the charts given how ard I felt I was working but average was only 140 with a 152 max. Strange all around. Bussing to Hopkinson this Saturday w a large group to run the first 20. Hoping this one goes better.

 
The Commish said:
Ned said:
The Commish said:
I'll know more on Friday (a full 25 minute run) but it SEEMS like I might have slowed down too much?? :oldusure: I'm finishing longer distances feeling like I have more in the tank. Next week it looks like I start the part where there's no walking, so I think I have some adjusting to do.
Congrats! The bolded is exactly why you run slow.
So is the general consensus that I need to make sure I can finish the distance in some sort of "running" mode, use that as a baseline then increase speed slowly?
Congrats on making it through 25 minutes. Yes run slow enough so you can finish running and if you feel like you can do more I would increase the distance or the number runs during the week rather than the pace.
Not there yet....20 minute was last week....22 minutes this week. Next week it appears that I go for 25 minutes per day.
A common misconception is that you should feel like you're totally exhausted at the end of a run; like you've had a killer workout. I think you should feel like you could've kept going at the end of each run. Otherwise, you're pushing too hard and run the risk of getting hurt/over training.

Its not like weight lifting where you're trying to go to failure...

 
There may be something to this running fast thing. Went out last night, and was supposed to be 4x1600 race pace. My neighborhood is tough to lay out a run like this with all the hills, and I don't have a track close enough to run to. So I just figured I would run 4 miles at my target race pace.

At mile 3, the first bolt of lightning started overhead, so I turned toward home. Ended up at 3.81, mainly because the lightning and thunder were directly overhead, and I don't play the lightning game, even for .2 of a mile. (plus I was at my front yard).

Anywhoo, pace time was 8:14. :shock: HR 167. I actually think I may have more to give here, if indeed I need to be in the 170's on race day.

The funny thing is, as I'm starting to run these faster runs, I'll start slowing a bit, and look at my HR monitor and see I'm at 168, and tell myself: "You got this. You are trained to be in this zone. Keep going you pus.s.y" And it works. :excited:

 
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The Commish said:
Ned said:
The Commish said:
I'll know more on Friday (a full 25 minute run) but it SEEMS like I might have slowed down too much?? :oldusure: I'm finishing longer distances feeling like I have more in the tank. Next week it looks like I start the part where there's no walking, so I think I have some adjusting to do.
Congrats! The bolded is exactly why you run slow.
So is the general consensus that I need to make sure I can finish the distance in some sort of "running" mode, use that as a baseline then increase speed slowly?
Congrats on making it through 25 minutes. Yes run slow enough so you can finish running and if you feel like you can do more I would increase the distance or the number runs during the week rather than the pace.
Not there yet....20 minute was last week....22 minutes this week. Next week it appears that I go for 25 minutes per day.
A common misconception is that you should feel like you're totally exhausted at the end of a run; like you've had a killer workout. I think you should feel like you could've kept going at the end of each run. Otherwise, you're pushing too hard and run the risk of getting hurt/over training.

Its not like weight lifting where you're trying to go to failure...
These are the kinds of things I need to understand ESPECIALLY since I began this little adventure as a way to shed a lot of unnecessary weight.

 
There may be something to this running fast thing. Went out last night, and was supposed to be 4x1600 race pace. My neighborhood is tough to lay out a run like this with all the hills, and I don't have a track close enough to run to. So I just figured I would run 4 miles at my target race pace.

At mile 3, the first bolt of lightning started overhead, so I turned toward home. Ended up at 3.81, mainly because the lightning and thunder were directly overhead, and I don't play the lightning game, even for .2 of a mile. (plus I was at my front yard).

Anywhoo, pace time was 8:14. :shock: HR 167. I actually think I may have more to give here, if indeed I need to be in the 170's on race day.

The funny thing is, as I'm starting to run these faster runs, I'll start slowing a bit, and look at my HR monitor and see I'm at 168, and tell myself: "You got this. You are trained to be in this zone. Keep going you pus.s.y" And it works. :excited:
:thumbup: :thumbup:

I keep beating this drum, but you're going to keep seeing these sort of jumps the more time you put into that low aerobic zone. Enjoy these days.

 
The 14 I ran Saturday knocked my confidence down a peg or two. Started out at Wellesley College and ran 7 out along the course to Newton Center (just short of Heartbreak) then back. Plan was to try to average 9s the whole way, roughly MGP. Weather was tough, high 20s with a brutal steady wind, tailwind on way out, smack in the face on way home. Overall averaged 9:04 for the run but first te were 8:45 and last 4 9:30. Started too fast and totally ran out of gas. It was all I could do to keep my feet moving at the end. And I had an overwhelming feeling of sleepiness, eyes were heavy and I literaly could have stopped and gone to sleep on the side of the road. It was weird, and as uncomfortable as I've ever been on any run.

I expected the HR data to be off the charts given how ard I felt I was working but average was only 140 with a 152 max. Strange all around. Bussing to Hopkinson this Saturday w a large group to run the first 20. Hoping this one goes better.
Cumulative fatigue would be my guess. You're pushing your body to new limits.... You'll have days like today, and then in a few days have a day like ChiefD just had. I'm sure you're doing it, but make sure you're focusing just as much time/energy on recovery as you are on the workouts. If you have a string of runs like Saturday, don't be afraid to take an extra day or 2 off to let your body catch-up.

 
The Commish said:
Ned said:
The Commish said:
I'll know more on Friday (a full 25 minute run) but it SEEMS like I might have slowed down too much?? :oldusure: I'm finishing longer distances feeling like I have more in the tank. Next week it looks like I start the part where there's no walking, so I think I have some adjusting to do.
Congrats! The bolded is exactly why you run slow.
So is the general consensus that I need to make sure I can finish the distance in some sort of "running" mode, use that as a baseline then increase speed slowly?
Congrats on making it through 25 minutes. Yes run slow enough so you can finish running and if you feel like you can do more I would increase the distance or the number runs during the week rather than the pace.
Not there yet....20 minute was last week....22 minutes this week. Next week it appears that I go for 25 minutes per day.
A common misconception is that you should feel like you're totally exhausted at the end of a run; like you've had a killer workout. I think you should feel like you could've kept going at the end of each run. Otherwise, you're pushing too hard and run the risk of getting hurt/over training.

Its not like weight lifting where you're trying to go to failure...
:goodposting:

And a battle I continue to fight with every run. Since I finally let my injuries heel and I started lifting again I have noticed that it has gotten significantly better as I lift to failure and simply don't have the energy nor desire to run to failure as often as I used to want to.

 
There may be something to this running fast thing. Went out last night, and was supposed to be 4x1600 race pace. My neighborhood is tough to lay out a run like this with all the hills, and I don't have a track close enough to run to. So I just figured I would run 4 miles at my target race pace.

At mile 3, the first bolt of lightning started overhead, so I turned toward home. Ended up at 3.81, mainly because the lightning and thunder were directly overhead, and I don't play the lightning game, even for .2 of a mile. (plus I was at my front yard).

Anywhoo, pace time was 8:14. :shock: HR 167. I actually think I may have more to give here, if indeed I need to be in the 170's on race day.

The funny thing is, as I'm starting to run these faster runs, I'll start slowing a bit, and look at my HR monitor and see I'm at 168, and tell myself: "You got this. You are trained to be in this zone. Keep going you pus.s.y" And it works. :excited:
:thumbup: :thumbup:

I keep beating this drum, but you're going to keep seeing these sort of jumps the more time you put into that low aerobic zone. Enjoy these days.
Yeah, I definitely am seeing the wisdom of your ways. Really looking forward to my 2 hour run Sunday, which is one of the 3/1 long runs in the Higdon Plan.

Really appreciate you and everyone else here with the encouraging words. :thumbup:

 
The 14 I ran Saturday knocked my confidence down a peg or two. Started out at Wellesley College and ran 7 out along the course to Newton Center (just short of Heartbreak) then back. Plan was to try to average 9s the whole way, roughly MGP. Weather was tough, high 20s with a brutal steady wind, tailwind on way out, smack in the face on way home. Overall averaged 9:04 for the run but first te were 8:45 and last 4 9:30. Started too fast and totally ran out of gas. It was all I could do to keep my feet moving at the end. And I had an overwhelming feeling of sleepiness, eyes were heavy and I literaly could have stopped and gone to sleep on the side of the road. It was weird, and as uncomfortable as I've ever been on any run.

I expected the HR data to be off the charts given how ard I felt I was working but average was only 140 with a 152 max. Strange all around. Bussing to Hopkinson this Saturday w a large group to run the first 20. Hoping this one goes better.
I had this same thing happen to me last fall on a 20 mile run. What's worse, I was in the middle of the woods with no choice but to finish out as the feeling hit about halfway out on the last lap. I know what caused mine but still a very disturbing feeling. Came home and immediately slept for 3 hours.

 
The 14 I ran Saturday knocked my confidence down a peg or two. Started out at Wellesley College and ran 7 out along the course to Newton Center (just short of Heartbreak) then back. Plan was to try to average 9s the whole way, roughly MGP. Weather was tough, high 20s with a brutal steady wind, tailwind on way out, smack in the face on way home. Overall averaged 9:04 for the run but first te were 8:45 and last 4 9:30. Started too fast and totally ran out of gas. It was all I could do to keep my feet moving at the end. And I had an overwhelming feeling of sleepiness, eyes were heavy and I literaly could have stopped and gone to sleep on the side of the road. It was weird, and as uncomfortable as I've ever been on any run.

I expected the HR data to be off the charts given how ard I felt I was working but average was only 140 with a 152 max. Strange all around. Bussing to Hopkinson this Saturday w a large group to run the first 20. Hoping this one goes better.
I had this same thing happen to me last fall on a 20 mile run. What's worse, I was in the middle of the woods with no choice but to finish out as the feeling hit about halfway out on the last lap. I know what caused mine but still a very disturbing feeling. Came home and immediately slept for 3 hours.
But that's the benefit of running on tired legs, though it's tougher when the entire body is exhausted. That's a good time to remember that for racing, we're running fresh.

Agreed about the not running to the max all the time. A rule of thumb I've read is two break-out sessions per week. Those are the ones (like a track workout) where we do push to the limit. But yeah, the others should be easy and aerobic.

 
No training today but the colonoscopy went well. A fissure which was likely caused by constipation, though the nurse mentioned biking as unhelpful. Internal hemorrhoids which they helped fix. Some polyps but no signs of cancer which obviously is great and was a worry.

Resting hr before the procedure was 42

 
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On Monday I stopped on the way to my chiro to put air in one of my car's tires, and as I squatted down to do so I felt a sudden pain in my right knee. I mentioned it to him at the end of our normal routine, and he did a quick examination, a little extra Graston on the area around it, and tweaked my knee cap around a bit, and said he thought it was probably just my normal tug-of-war of muscles, tendons and ligaments pulling at things and getting tight.

Unfortunately I'm afraid it's more serious than that because it is still painful today. I ran on it on Wednesday, but stopped repeatedly because it hurt. Yesterday I was working with my Dad installing a drip irrigation system, and I was walking with a limp by the end of the day. Looks like it's time to go back in and get it really looked at.

Super bummed and concerned right now as tomorrow is 6 weeks from my 100K, and the next 3 weeks are supposed to be the peak weeks of my training cycle. Uggggghhhh......

 
On Monday I stopped on the way to my chiro to put air in one of my car's tires, and as I squatted down to do so I felt a sudden pain in my right knee. I mentioned it to him at the end of our normal routine, and he did a quick examination, a little extra Graston on the area around it, and tweaked my knee cap around a bit, and said he thought it was probably just my normal tug-of-war of muscles, tendons and ligaments pulling at things and getting tight.

Unfortunately I'm afraid it's more serious than that because it is still painful today. I ran on it on Wednesday, but stopped repeatedly because it hurt. Yesterday I was working with my Dad installing a drip irrigation system, and I was walking with a limp by the end of the day. Looks like it's time to go back in and get it really looked at.

Super bummed and concerned right now as tomorrow is 6 weeks from my 100K, and the next 3 weeks are supposed to be the peak weeks of my training cycle. Uggggghhhh......
good luck bro. be careful and remember - you have the base and sometimes it's better to go into these races rested instead of worn out. (now if I could just take my own advice...)

This morning's 10M sucked. kept HR in the 140s but by mile 7 I was in the 9s. As I was running I remembered what they say about nutrition and sleep in training - usually it's what you did 2 days ago that has the most impact. Considering I haven't slept much in the last 72 hours (6yo was violently ill was night) and I didn't eat anything from 8pm Tuesday until 1pm yesterday, it isn't that surprising that this run was rough.

 
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On Monday I stopped on the way to my chiro to put air in one of my car's tires, and as I squatted down to do so I felt a sudden pain in my right knee. I mentioned it to him at the end of our normal routine, and he did a quick examination, a little extra Graston on the area around it, and tweaked my knee cap around a bit, and said he thought it was probably just my normal tug-of-war of muscles, tendons and ligaments pulling at things and getting tight.

Unfortunately I'm afraid it's more serious than that because it is still painful today. I ran on it on Wednesday, but stopped repeatedly because it hurt. Yesterday I was working with my Dad installing a drip irrigation system, and I was walking with a limp by the end of the day. Looks like it's time to go back in and get it really looked at.

Super bummed and concerned right now as tomorrow is 6 weeks from my 100K, and the next 3 weeks are supposed to be the peak weeks of my training cycle. Uggggghhhh......
good luck bro. be careful and remember - you have the base and sometimes it's better to go into these races rested instead of worn out. (now if I could just take my own advice...)

This morning's 10M sucked. kept HR in the 140s but by mile 7 I was in the 9s. As I was running I remembered what they say about nutrition and sleep in training - usually it's what you did 2 days ago that has the most impact. Considering I haven't slept much in the last 72 hours (6yo was violently ill was night) and I didn't eat anything from 8pm Tuesday until 1pm yesterday, it isn't that surprising that this run was rough.
I would say that's one hell of an effort considering your entire bodies systems were running on empty. Nice job! :thumbup:

And Duck, positive vibes coming your way that it's just some normal soreness or something very minor.

 

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