11 minutes?? That's huge! Nice work.Ran the Newburyport HM today, 1:37:39 (7:27). 11 minutes better than same race last year. Most importantly I beat my HS buddy who bested me by 8 min last year.
A first-time marathoner deserves a pickle:Finished the Marine Corps Marathon today. First marathon ever. It was awesome, inspirational, emotional, painful, all of the above. I'll write more later, but mostly wanted to say thanks to all of you in this thread. You are such a great source of advice, motivation, guidance.....and you name the rest. I'm not sure whether or not I'll ever do a full again....but it was so worth doing it today.
For those who care, my time was around 5:04. I had major knee and hamstring issues starting around mile 16, and was at the pinnacle of suffering a major cold. Really annoying, as my 20-mile run three weeks ago went so much better than today. But it is what it is. Just glad to have finished, and to feel relatively healthy.
I can see why people have so many great things to say about MCM. Lots of cool aspects to it. More later. Thanks again guys - I'm not very active in this thread but I read it A LOT.
What do you suggest? Maybe using your hands to cushion the landing?Hey guys, just a quick tip: if you're out running and you trip and fall, try not to land chin-first on the sidewalk. It doesn't go well.
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Yeah. As somebody who now has some experience with both, my considered judgement is that scraping up your hands is preferable to taking a chunk of flesh out of your chin. Just my .02 though.What do you suggest? Maybe using your hands to cushion the landing?Hey guys, just a quick tip: if you're out running and you trip and fall, try not to land chin-first on the sidewalk. It doesn't go well.
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Hopefully he had the courtesy to stop your GPS watch while you were laying motionless.Yeah. As somebody who now has some experience with both, my considered judgement is that scraping up your hands is preferable to taking a chunk of flesh out of your chin. Just my .02 though.What do you suggest? Maybe using your hands to cushion the landing?Hey guys, just a quick tip: if you're out running and you trip and fall, try not to land chin-first on the sidewalk. It doesn't go well.
That is all.
Even worse was that I did this about 50 feet in front of one of my colleagues and another guy who I see out running all the time. My colleague was kind enough to email me yesterday to gently make fun of me for my misfortune, so there was that.
I guess I did but up until recently I thought my cardio would be my biggest obstacle in the marathon. Know I realize it will be hoping my legs hold up. I wanted to intregrate some hills at some point but I had horrible stretch of weeks and never really got the chance. Also, I'll be honest and this sounds silly but the first time I saw an elevation chart of Richmond was 3 days ago.Hang 10 - I don't think it's crazy and a two week taper can be OK. But why didn't you think of this earlier?
I clearly have only one marathon under my belt, but I believe the flatness of Chicago helped me tremendously a few weeks ago. I'm not sure I do as well if I ran the KC marathon, which is a pretty hilly course.Okay, tell me if this is nuts but I'm getting a bit of cold feet about my goal marathon now. The terrain is much more hilly than where I train and while I've increased my mileage, I haven't done squat for hills. But there's another marathon in the Outer Banks of NC 6 days before my goal marathon. This race is basically pancake flat with one big bridge at mile 22. Would it be crazy to switch races at this point? Is there a big difference in a 2 week taper vs 3 weeks? (actually it's only 6 days less than my goal race)
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ETA: For comparison sake of the two courses : http://findmymarathon.com/compare.php?compareName1=Richmond%20Marathon&compareName2=Outer%20Banks%20Marathon
Scanned the last few pages but didn't see, what is the 500 push up/sit up thing? 500 each per day? per week? Is it just to help with general strength?A good 30 mile training week, though not as many runs or miles as desired. My nagging injuries weren't an issue, which is encouraging. T/Th workouts were on the track to go easy on my feet. Still keeping up the 500 push-ups/sit-ups, too.
I agree that a 2-week vs. 3-week taper shouldn't be an issue. If you haven't trained any hills, the Richmond course could be problematic. I almost worry most about the extended downhill during mile 7 ...that could mess up your quads with a lot of miles still to go. The uphill at the start of mile 11 will drain you to some degree as well. In general, you won't get into a smooth rhythm. The late up/down in Outer Banks won't be fun, but it's late enough that you can fight through it.Okay, tell me if this is nuts but I'm getting a bit of cold feet about my goal marathon now. The terrain is much more hilly than where I train and while I've increased my mileage, I haven't done squat for hills. But there's another marathon in the Outer Banks of NC 6 days before my goal marathon. This race is basically pancake flat with one big bridge at mile 22. Would it be crazy to switch races at this point? Is there a big difference in a 2 week taper vs 3 weeks? (actually it's only 6 days less than my goal race)
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ETA: For comparison sake of the two courses : http://findmymarathon.com/compare.php?compareName1=Richmond%20Marathon&compareName2=Outer%20Banks%20Marathon
maybe tuck and roll?What do you suggest? Maybe using your hands to cushion the landing?Hey guys, just a quick tip: if you're out running and you trip and fall, try not to land chin-first on the sidewalk. It doesn't go well.
That is all.
500 per day is a good way to injure yourself unless you work up to it.Scanned the last few pages but didn't see, what is the 500 push up/sit up thing? 500 each per day? per week? Is it just to help with general strength?A good 30 mile training week, though not as many runs or miles as desired. My nagging injuries weren't an issue, which is encouraging. T/Th workouts were on the track to go easy on my feet. Still keeping up the 500 push-ups/sit-ups, too.
Yeah, the steady climbs for the first 6 and then sharply down hill and then the other part that worries me is the climb from 15 to 18. Pacing this race would be a real challenge.I agree that a 2-week vs. 3-week taper shouldn't be an issue. If you haven't trained any hills, the Richmond course could be problematic. I almost worry most about the extended downhill during mile 7 ...that could mess up your quads with a lot of miles still to go. The uphill at the start of mile 11 will drain you to some degree as well. In general, you won't get into a smooth rhythm. The late up/down in Outer Banks won't be fun, but it's late enough that you can fight through it.Okay, tell me if this is nuts but I'm getting a bit of cold feet about my goal marathon now. The terrain is much more hilly than where I train and while I've increased my mileage, I haven't done squat for hills. But there's another marathon in the Outer Banks of NC 6 days before my goal marathon. This race is basically pancake flat with one big bridge at mile 22. Would it be crazy to switch races at this point? Is there a big difference in a 2 week taper vs 3 weeks? (actually it's only 6 days less than my goal race)
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ETA: For comparison sake of the two courses : http://findmymarathon.com/compare.php?compareName1=Richmond%20Marathon&compareName2=Outer%20Banks%20Marathon
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shady, that's 500 each per week just to help with general toning and strength. I've found that distance training makes me look, well, like a distance runner. I'm trying to maintain some sense of muscle definition and avoid the bony shoulders and thin arms.
Agree that it'd be the downhill I'd worry about as much/more than the uphill. If you've only been running flat stuff your quads are gonna have an issue with the downs. Two week taper is plenty I would say, so my $.02 would be to switch to the flat one.Yeah, the steady climbs for the first 6 and then sharply down hill and then the other part that worries me is the climb from 15 to 18. Pacing this race would be a real challenge.I agree that a 2-week vs. 3-week taper shouldn't be an issue. If you haven't trained any hills, the Richmond course could be problematic. I almost worry most about the extended downhill during mile 7 ...that could mess up your quads with a lot of miles still to go. The uphill at the start of mile 11 will drain you to some degree as well. In general, you won't get into a smooth rhythm. The late up/down in Outer Banks won't be fun, but it's late enough that you can fight through it.Okay, tell me if this is nuts but I'm getting a bit of cold feet about my goal marathon now. The terrain is much more hilly than where I train and while I've increased my mileage, I haven't done squat for hills. But there's another marathon in the Outer Banks of NC 6 days before my goal marathon. This race is basically pancake flat with one big bridge at mile 22. Would it be crazy to switch races at this point? Is there a big difference in a 2 week taper vs 3 weeks? (actually it's only 6 days less than my goal race)
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ETA: For comparison sake of the two courses : http://findmymarathon.com/compare.php?compareName1=Richmond%20Marathon&compareName2=Outer%20Banks%20Marathon
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shady, that's 500 each per week just to help with general toning and strength. I've found that distance training makes me look, well, like a distance runner. I'm trying to maintain some sense of muscle definition and avoid the bony shoulders and thin arms.
Definitely tuck and roll. I've become a master at falling, and now pretty much subconsciously put out my hand but also roll onto my shoulder . I've heard trail runners call handheld bottles "air bags" since they can take the brunt of the blow.maybe tuck and roll?What do you suggest? Maybe using your hands to cushion the landing?Hey guys, just a quick tip: if you're out running and you trip and fall, try not to land chin-first on the sidewalk. It doesn't go well.
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I guess I posted that without really thinking about it. 500 per day and you'd probably look like arnold in his primemaybe tuck and roll?What do you suggest? Maybe using your hands to cushion the landing?Hey guys, just a quick tip: if you're out running and you trip and fall, try not to land chin-first on the sidewalk. It doesn't go well.
That is all.
500 per day is a good way to injure yourself unless you work up to it.Scanned the last few pages but didn't see, what is the 500 push up/sit up thing? 500 each per day? per week? Is it just to help with general strength?A good 30 mile training week, though not as many runs or miles as desired. My nagging injuries weren't an issue, which is encouraging. T/Th workouts were on the track to go easy on my feet. Still keeping up the 500 push-ups/sit-ups, too.
#### sit-ups. (said as someone who gets paid to do situps and does them twice a year)
Then did a cool down mile.
Herschel Walker, but that's the idea. http://sealgrinderpt.com/navy-seal-workout/herschel-walker-pushup-workout.html/I guess I posted that without really thinking about it. 500 per day and you'd probably look like arnold in his primemaybe tuck and roll?What do you suggest? Maybe using your hands to cushion the landing?Hey guys, just a quick tip: if you're out running and you trip and fall, try not to land chin-first on the sidewalk. It doesn't go well.
That is all.
500 per day is a good way to injure yourself unless you work up to it.Scanned the last few pages but didn't see, what is the 500 push up/sit up thing? 500 each per day? per week? Is it just to help with general strength?A good 30 mile training week, though not as many runs or miles as desired. My nagging injuries weren't an issue, which is encouraging. T/Th workouts were on the track to go easy on my feet. Still keeping up the 500 push-ups/sit-ups, too.
#### sit-ups. (said as someone who gets paid to do situps and does them twice a year)
I've noticed from Strava that you've been racking up the miles.I made it to 50 miles this week. My best since last December.
I am signed up for the Houston marathon in January. I will also likely run a December half (the big local race) and I may run a 10k next month, although I will be woefully underprepared for it. I am doing a little bit of "faster running" now, after slogging through nothing but slow stuff since my return from the injury. It's not fast to any of you guys, but it is to me. I really think I benefit from longer tempo and MP runs, so I am going to try to get as many in as I can handle the next 8-10 weeks.I've noticed from Strava that you've been racking up the miles.I made it to 50 miles this week. My best since last December.![]()
Do you have a race scheduled? I don't recall.
Super busy at work today (what else is new?), so I don't really have time to elaborate, but we finished 4th overall and 3rd in the men's open division. Our time (5:41:40, 6:50/mile) was more than a little disappointing, as we finished six minutes faster two years ago with a four-man team. That being said, the 3rd-place team finished almost 16 minutes ahead of us, so we would've had to run almost 20 seconds/mile faster to have caught them. My personal performance was also disappointing. I was hoping to run in the 6:20-6:30 range, and it was everything I could do to stay under 7-minute pace, which is really depressing considering I ran a marathon at 6:52 pace five years ago. I need to get my fat ### back in shape. Now.I know Grue was out doing the Fall 50, looking forward to hearing more about that!
Yes, I think that is normal. I don't monitor my heart rate during training, so I don't have numbers but it is often at high levels if I slow jog after strength training. Whatever they are.is anyone else finding that your heartrate spikes big time in the first few minutes if you strength train and then run?
I did 20 minutes of core, a few sets of squats / calf raises, then 9 minutes on the "power tower" - 36 pullups, 72 dips, 108 leg lifts.
Then went for a slow jog, within the first two minutes the HRM display said "193bpm", while I was going slow. This has happened a few times now while I certainly don't feel like I'm working that hard.
That's it?Took matters into my own hands yesterday. No more doctors, or pain killers, or rest. Ate a half slab of Gates ribs for lunch, which helped clean out the pipes later in the day. Had a great 3.5 mile run last night - 9:26 pace with a HR of 151.
Booyah. The power of BBQ.![]()
no kidding. Imagine what would happen if Chief manned up and actually ate a real lunch.That's it?Took matters into my own hands yesterday. No more doctors, or pain killers, or rest. Ate a half slab of Gates ribs for lunch, which helped clean out the pipes later in the day. Had a great 3.5 mile run last night - 9:26 pace with a HR of 151.
Booyah. The power of BBQ.![]()
no kidding. Imagine what would happen if Chief manned up and actually ate a real lunch.That's it?Took matters into my own hands yesterday. No more doctors, or pain killers, or rest. Ate a half slab of Gates ribs for lunch, which helped clean out the pipes later in the day. Had a great 3.5 mile run last night - 9:26 pace with a HR of 151.
Booyah. The power of BBQ.![]()
So you were just constipated? Congrats, I guess.Took matters into my own hands yesterday. No more doctors, or pain killers, or rest. Ate a half slab of Gates ribs for lunch, which helped clean out the pipes later in the day. Had a great 3.5 mile run last night - 9:26 pace with a HR of 151.
Booyah. The power of BBQ.![]()
Thanks for all the kind words guys. It means a lot, especially coming from this crew!Yesterday was pretty brutal. The outside of both knees......very sore and tough to navigate. I did manage to walk a few miles the past two days, touring around DC with the family. Feeling a lot better tonight, other than a sore left ankle.Alex - congrats on your first! How are you feeling a couple days post marathon? :
Remind Mrs. Keaton that she's a CPA - Coddle Poor Alex.Thanks for all the kind words guys. It means a lot, especially coming from this crew!Yesterday was pretty brutal. The outside of both knees......very sore and tough to navigate. I did manage to walk a few miles the past two days, touring around DC with the family. Feeling a lot better tonight, other than a sore left ankle.Alex - congrats on your first! How are you feeling a couple days post marathon? :
We also had a massive illness tear through our family, so I've barely eaten the past 36 hours. That sucks worse than the post-race soreness!
Haha, indeed. Thanks for being so supportive the past months tri-man. Your advice has been invaluable. Btw, we still need to do a run sometime.Remind Mrs. Keaton that she's a CPA - Coddle Poor Alex.Thanks for all the kind words guys. It means a lot, especially coming from this crew!Yesterday was pretty brutal. The outside of both knees......very sore and tough to navigate. I did manage to walk a few miles the past two days, touring around DC with the family. Feeling a lot better tonight, other than a sore left ankle.Alex - congrats on your first! How are you feeling a couple days post marathon? :
We also had a massive illness tear through our family, so I've barely eaten the past 36 hours. That sucks worse than the post-race soreness!![]()

I coulda swore I responded to this yesterday, but....... Ugh man. I'm really sorry you keep hitting dead ends. Keeping my fingers crossed for you!Been a little depressed about the calf the past few days - not bitter that there's been no improvement, but obviously frustrated that at 2 years in, I still don't have a root cause or potential diagnoses. Well, I went into my biomechanics guy today and he actually decided to punt after consulting with another physiatrist in the practice. He didn't want to experiment with incremental stuff without having a good handle on what is going on. I guess that's confirmation that whatever I have is atypical. Next step if I choose is to get a more precise gait analysis with computer tracking etc at a running specialty outfit in the big city.