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Grand Canyon R2R2R Report

(Another long one, brevity is not a skill in my repertoire)

Prologue

Ever since I found out that R2R2R was a "thing" (watching FKT videos/reports of the dual-crossing), I had a goal to complete this run. It's everything I love about trail running: Lots of vert, beautiful scenery, and physically challenging.

I think I originally set the goal three years ago, and various things put me into a cycle of deferrals. Injury, COVID, work, etc.

Finally in 2022, I was healthy and ready to go.

The huge weather variances of the Grand Canyon (cold up top, hot at the bottom) really only provide two seasonal windows to make this run work: The most optimal is (arguably) mid-October, when all the water sources are still available, there is little chance of ice at the rim, and the heat isn't too brutal at the bottom. The other option is ~March, which provides cooler temps at the bottom, but you risk ice at the top, and all of the water sources between the bottom and top of the north rim are shut off for the season. You have to rely on streams for water, with appropriate filtration/purification.

I never really considered the spring option, and each year planned the run for mid-Oct. This year, I timed it for the weekend before the seasonal water sources begin to get turned-off, and the chances of more reasonable late-summer temps are highest.

I've had a great stretch of training, about a year without injury. Almost all of it has been easy miles, just driving volume in Zone 2. The biggest challenge has been trying to keep some semblance of mountain legs, getting up north as frequently as I could, and running the limited trails down south when I couldn't. I would say my cardio for this run was in great shape, and mountain legs were "adequate" (but not peak).

A buddy of mine I run with up north was also very keen to do this challenge, and joined me for it. We met in Flagstaff, jumped in the rental car, and headed north to the Grand Canyon. It took 60 minutes to enter the park due to understaffing at the entrance. Annoying, but we were in no rush.

Got to the hotel (very spartan) in the village. Went out to recon the trailhead. ~9K round-trip walk, and being the idiot that I am, I didn't wear proper shoes and developed a small blister on the sole of my foot as a result. Idiot. I was concerned it would derail my run at some point the next day, but it proved to be inconsequential in the end. Thankfully.

We grab dinner, back to the room, got all our gear out and set for the next morning, and hit the hay.

South Kaibab Descent -- Trailhead to Phantom Ranch (11K/7mi, 1,433m/4,700' of elevation loss)

Wake up 0300. Poop, Mountain Dew Zero, bagel. Gear up, triple-check that we haven't forgotten anything, and get in the car to drive to the parking lot. Lot is about 1km from the trailhead.

We had been weather-stalking for 10 days, and the forecast indicated 2C/36F at the rim for our kickoff, and 33C/94F at the bottom during the afternoon. 12% humidity! So I brought a jacket and mittens for the morning. But as we're in the car, it's clearly not that cold. Car temp reads 10C/50F. YES! Dump the mittens, but keep the jacket in the pack, just in case we have an unplanned overnight in the canyon.

0410 start. And clearly we weren't the only runners picking this optimal weekend to do this. We could see a handful of headlamps already far below us on the trail.

As with my ultras, I had created a pace sheet to plan how long it would take to complete the run. I estimated 7.5min/km (12min/mi) on the big downhills. Always hard to gauge: How technical? How steep? How many switchbacks?

We budgeted about 1.5 hours to make the descent to Phantom Ranch (at the bottom, just on the other side of the Colorado River). But the trail was slower-going. More technical, steeper, and the dark didn't help. Plus a wrong turn at Skeleton Point (I suck). Took us 2 hours to get to Phantom Ranch.

We passed about a half dozen groups of 2-4 hikers/runners on the way down. Didn't get passed at all. A pretty uneventful start to the run. It was dark, and only when we got to the Phantom Ranch were we able to remove the headlamps.

Found the water spigot at Phantom ranch, topped-off the chest flasks, had my three oreos, and got back to the trail.

Phantom Ranch to Manzanita (13.4K/8.3mi, 579m/1,900ft of net elevation gain)

This section would be our first trip through "The Box", which, on our return, would be the hottest part of our run. But with the sun up, we're getting all the great sights of the canyon. The colours, the cliffs, Bright Angel Creek running alongside us -- all of it. Awesome. The grade averaged about 4-5% uphill, which is very runnable for me. My running buddy, who was still recovering from injury, was slower than I was this morning (not usually the case). I was trying to push the pace a little, wanting to make the return through The Box as early as possible to hopefully miss the hottest part of the day. But I found myself frequently having to stop to allow my friend to catch up. And when we got to Cottonwood, he confessed that he was already feeling fatigued.

We passed a couple groups on this section. I was trying to be mindful to drink. With the humidity so low, it was hard to track how much I was sweating, and didn't want to find out the hard way that I was getting dehydrated. So at Cottonwood, I cameled a litre of water right there, and then refilled my two chest flasks with spring water and tailwind. Three more oreos, as well.

My fueling strategy was precisely the same as with my two prior ultras: Non-caffeinated Tailwind, and three oreos every hour or two at the start. Then, at the halfway point, switch to the caffeinated Tailwind. Worked perfectly, once again. Just had to make sure to keep drinking. My shirt was dry, but I could already see the salt starting to cake up on it.

This section took us about 2hours. Slower than I had hoped, but we kept a running pace for much of it.

North Kaibab Ascent -- Manzanita to North Rim (8.2K/5.1mi, 1,169m/3,800ft of net elevation gain)

Coming out of Manzanita, I got in front of my friend a bit, and stopped to wait for him. Two groups passed, and my friend wasn't trailing them. After a couple more minutes of waiting, he gets to me, and said that he had to stop to barf. Things were going downhill for him, fast. He ran out of water before Manzanita, and despite refilling and drinking, he was looking pretty rough.

We took it slow from there to the top. Which wasn't a bad thing, because the sights were also the most beautiful. All the colours and bridge crossings were incredible. Stopped to take lots of photos. As we got further up, my friend was having to take more and more frequent breaks. He was in that place where he could go 100m, but then have to stop to fight back the barf. He tried salt tabs, drinking more, but couldn't keep a meaningful pace. We got into a cycle of 100m of climbing, then a few minutes of resting, and repeat.

When he first told me that he was starting to fade, I was prepping a motivational speech in my head, which I would use at the North Rim to keep him from quitting. But by the time we got to the North Rim, he knew -- and I knew -- he was done. We sat down and made a call to the shuttle for him to catch a ride back to the South Rim.

After making sure he was going to be OK, and seeing him really improve over the course of about 30 minutes, I decided that I would solo the return. So, I pooped, muled some more water, refilled my bottles, and got started back down again.
 
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Apparently there is a 10,000 character post limit. Part 2 below.


North Kaibab Descent -- North Rim to Manzanita (8.2K/5.1mi, 1,169m/3,800ft of net elevation loss)

As with the South Kaibab descent, I kept a running cadence, if not a running pace. I was very thankful to have my hiking poles, which provided a ton of stability in areas where a fall could have significant consequences. Also did my best to look up from the trail frequently to really appreciate where I was and how incredible nature is. Took a few more photos of the amazing trail, carved literally into the side of the canyon in many places.

I passed many more hikers and runners. Spirits were mostly high, but there were a few climbing out of the canyon who looked spent. I didn't have the heart to tell them that they had so much more to climb.

I continued to hydrate as much as possible, and actually had to piss once or twice. Restrooms are plentiful on the trail, which was great when needed. The spring water was refreshing and tasty, and I was telling myself that I made the right call running this in October (when the water was on) versus March (when it was off).

I was keeping a decent pace and staying in Zone 2. Took me about 90 minutes to complete the descent.

Manzanita to Phantom Ranch -- (13.4K/8.3mi, 579m/1,900ft of net elevation loss)

At this point I was behind schedule, and was going to be running through The Box in the hottest part of the day. So at Cottonwood, for the first time, I filled the 1.5L reservoir on the back of my pack as well as my two chest flasks. Took even more time there to make sure I was slathered in sunscreen and everything was in order. Two Naproxen onboard at that point to help with a sore knee. Had my stylish bucket hat and sunglasses on, and headed out into the sun.

This section was a mostly 4-5% downhill grade and very runnable. Managed to keep a 6:00/km (9:40/mi) pace through most of it. I didn't want to overexert myself in the heat. I was drinking lots and didn't stop for any breaks to just minimize the amount of time I was in that section. There were very few others I passed on this part. It was the worst part of the day to be out there, and I had passed most of the other runners earlier on the North Kaibab descent.

One young woman, however, was really keeping a good pace as well, and we leapfrogged each other through the course of this section. Usually passing each other when one stopped to take a photo.

I wore my Garmin Tempe sensor on my shoe to record temps during the run, and when it was exposed to the sun, it logged about 40C/104F temps consistently over the course of about 4km. But it was incredibly dry, and that helped make my sweat evaporate and cool me effectively. As you guys know, I don't do well in the heat, but in this case it wasn't horrible.

The upside of being behind schedule was that by the time I got to The Box, the sun was low enough that I was back in the shade from there to Phantom Ranch. The temps logged through there were more reasonable, around 30C/85F.

I managed to cover this section in just over an hour. I got to Phantom Ranch, found the canteen, and ordered myself the lemonade that I have read about. Cool and tasty!

After a few minutes of a breather, it was time to resume, and start the climb out.

Bright Angel Ascent -- Phantom Ranch to Bright Angel Trailhead (15.8K/9.8mi, 1,323m/4,340ft of net elevation gain)

R2R2R generally is a set route, except for the climb out at the South Rim. Runners are faced with a choice of two return climbs: South Kaibab or Bright Angel. South Kaibab is 4km shorter than Bright Angel. Which is great, but makes the climb steeper. And more importantly, it doesn't have water sources along the way, while Bright Angel has three well-placed stops to refill water. South Kaibab is faster, but one should only tackle that route if they think they can complete it in a short enough time that they will not consume all the water they're carrying before the end.

I wasn't that confident. So I chose the longer/safer route. I crossed the Silver Bridge coming out of Phantom Ranch, and got climbing.

The climb is long. And unceasing. About 2/3 of the way up, and almost two hours into this section, the sun set. I got the headlamp out, and once again was hiking in the dark. I kept a very steady hiking pace through here, not stopping for any breaks except at the designated water points.

But it felt neverending. Feeling like you're getting close to the finish, only to look up from the trail and see headlamps 1,000ft above you, was very tough to take. Eventually I tried to just not look up anymore. Just put one foot in front of the other and keep going. About 80% of the way up, I started to feel some gut issues and ate three of my last six oreos. That helped. Also, because the canyon is so quiet, I could actually hear people on the rim from quite the distance. It sounded like they were cheering.

I kept slogging in the dark, one foot in front of the other. The cheering kept growing in volume. I must be getting close!

And then I looked up one more time, to see a mass of headlamps a hundred meters in front of me, and only a few meters above. YES!

As I rounded the top of the trailhead, I saw there were hikers/runners sitting in chairs, cheering each person who crested the rim. They gave me a cheer as I came through, and it was energizing.

After a 15-hour day, I was done. YES!

Epilogue

The downside of going up Bright Angel was that I was nowhere near my car when I finished. I managed to find the free shuttle which got me part of the way back to the North Kaibab parking lot. But I had to cover the last 3KM on foot. So, I got off the bus, and got back to running. It felt awesome to finally get to my car in the dark, return to the room, and pick up my friend to go for dinner.

We're already planning our return next year, so that he can do what he intended this year, but his gut wouldn't permit. He drew the unlucky card today, but that won't keep him from trying again. And I'm going to be right there with him.
 
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What can you say to that.

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It was all a big ad for Oreos. And it worked. I wish I had 3 oreos right now.

Great job @Zasada - so cool when an event that you plan and train for works out even with a couple of curveballs for you to navigate. I can't think of any one on this board more ready for the elevation that you just knocked out. Congrats!!!
 
@xulf Your run today looked amazing! Sorry I haven’t kept up in here much. What’s the goal? 3:10?

Thanks...but God no! I'm hoping for sub 3:20.

Today felt good and I ran 13+ at GMP last week that felt good too. I feel like I can get 20 at pace, but nervous about the full 26+.

I've been cramming down a TON of food...mostly good stuff...and I've been maintaining weight. I'm hoping that's a good sign :shrug:
 
While certain other posters might not want to give @gruecd a shout-out, I'm happy to. I borrowed a workout that I'd picked up (and used before) from our guy from one of his training cycles:
4 x hill; hard mile; 3 x hill; hard mile; 2 x hill; hard mile; 1 x hill, hard mile.

I ran this with my protege, Ashley, to help get her geared up for the conference meet on the 29th. (I kept my miles to ~1400m to stay in synch with her ...except the last, which I ran in 7:02.) I've planned out a hilly 10 miler for her on Saturday (Waterfall Glen) and then some track intervals next Monday. We're starting to game plan a race strategy, knowing one top runner has been putting up better times than her. Can we get her positioned to compete for the win? This is fun.
 
Was going to post this yesterday but didn't want Zasada's BAMF race report to get lost. So here goes:


Ironman World Championship
Race Report
10/8/2022

I’m not quite sure where to start. This journey for me began 10 years ago with a finish at Ironman Florida. I had left college as an overweight 22-year old, to lose weight I took up running. 5Ks turned into 10Ks, which turned into half marathons, and a full marathon (only one - never again). After I had gotten my fill of running races a friend tried a sprint triathlon so I figured that might be a good goal. I still recall leaving the race venue in Peachtree City, GA, after that first sprint thinking that I was about as exhausted as I could possibly be. Sprint triathlons turned into Olympics, which then turned into 70.3s, and then the first full at Florida 2012. My finish was somewhere around 12:30 as I recall, and it jumpstarted this 10 year journey to race in Kona. Interestingly, Mirinda Carfrae won that pro race (more on that to come).

I was never naturally talented enough to qualify – my PR at the Ironman distance is 10:55 at my second race (Chattanooga), but as I got older my ability and willingness to suffer waned. After about my fourth full I decided I couldn’t continue to put in the hours to try to actually qualify, so the only way to get to Kona was through the Legacy program. For those not familiar – Ironman has a program where if you race 12 fulls, they will put you on the waitlist to race in Kona (and of course, being the benevolent company WTC is, you still need to complete a half or full every year while you’re waiting = more $$). I finished my 12th full at Ironman Florida in 2018 – the year it was moved to Haines City when Panama City had been hit by Hurricane Michael a month earlier. Applied for Legacy and was accepted for October 2020. When Covid hit in March 2020 the October race was cancelled, and I was deferred to October 2021. During the summer of October 2021, Covid was still going strong in Hawaii and WTC moved the October race to St. George, Utah, in May 2022, giving registered athletes the choice to either race in Kona October 2022, or race in St. George in May 2022. I chose Kona…

Fast forward to February 2022 – WTC was having trouble filling the race in St. George, and I was on winter break at Disney World with my family, when the email arrives – WTC offered me a slot to race St. George in addition to retaining my spot in Kona in October. I jokingly showed it to my wife, who (and I’m still a little shocked by this) suggested that we go. So, we signed up while at Disney and I started my lightning-quick 2 month build in March/April for a May 5th race. I do not recommend a 2 month winter build for a hot and dry bike course with 7500 ft +/- of climbing. The town of St. George was awesome, and I love the Southwest, but that course was nasty. The two biggest bike climbs were at mile 75 (Veyo) and mile 95 (Snow Canyon) when you were tired already, and both were like climbing up the side of a mountain, super tough for a flatlander like me. Run course was deceptively difficult also, but what made it worse was the lack of humidity. You’d drink something and five seconds later your mouth was parched dry. Between that and some stomach issues, I think St. George was the first and only race I’ve ever done where I was halfway through the run and thought there was a legitimate chance I wouldn’t finish, but instead wake up in an ER somewhere. It ended up being my absolute worst finishing time, but it was a finish.

Once we got back from St. George and through a couple of weeks of recovery, though, the build for my “real” World Championship began. Back in the initial days of racing, before my kids began getting into sports and other activities, I would leverage a tremendous training resource in Atlanta – the Silver Comet trail. It’s a multiuse trail that runs from just north of Atlanta all the way to Anniston, AL, about 20 miles west of the AL/GA line (60 miles each way, roughly). I could go, stage an aid station at my car, and do out and backs on the bike until I got my mileage in for the day. However, as the kids got older the appetite for an hour of packing crap up, driving to the Comet, the 4-5 hour ride, another hour of packing crap up to get home (essentially knocking out 6-7 hours of a Saturday) went by the wayside. I essentially did all of my bike training in the basement on a trainer – there was one ride on the Comet this summer. Trainer work was way more convenient for family life and making sure I was able to attend kid events (softball, baseball, lacrosse, etc).

The summer flew by, and the trip to Hawaii happened almost before I knew it. School fall break fell two weeks before the race, so we were going to have to pull the kids out of school for an entire week after fall break to make a trip out of it. The family was looking forward to a vacation in Hawaii – for me, it was more like a business trip. We spent the two weeks prior to the race island-hopping from Oahu to Kauai to Maui, then over to the Big Island the Tuesday before the race Saturday. It was non-ideal timing as generally I would taper into a big race, but being away from home trying to get in a bike (with no bike) and a swim (with no pool access) was difficult. We were able to find a gym on Maui (thanks Maui Powerhouse) for a couple of bike sessions, and the ocean was available in some relatively calm coves, but essentially there was not much real bike/swim tapering going on. I was able to run virtually every day, though.

As mentioned we flew from Maui to Kona on the Tuesday before the race. For this year, WTC split the race up into two days – all female waves and 2-3 male waves raced Thursday (Oct 6), and the remainder of the males raced Saturday (Oct 8). The rest of my family (parents, brother and his family, sister-in-law with her two sons) met us in Kona on Tuesday. We had rented a VRBO 5-6 miles outside of town up on the side of the mountain a bit in Holualoa (VRBO property 809009). Prices for lodging in town were crazy – like $500-$600 a night crazy, and since there were 4 groups of us that would easily be $2000-$2400 a night in total just for rooms. The VRBO we found was an enclave of four cottages, each sleeping 4-5 for a total of $3700 for Tuesday-Saturday nights. It was easily worth the slight inconvenience of being out of town to save $7k, and the setup was great for us (although didn’t have A/C). Whole family went to the luau at the Royal Kona Resort on Alli’i drive Tuesday night, which was a lot of fun.

Wednesday was race check-in and bike pickup from TriBike Transport, which I highly recommend. It was super nice being able to drop my bike off in Atlanta and have it show up in Kona ready to go. It was even nicer after the race to drop my bike at the TriBike tent and have it show up back in Atlanta. After check-in, Wednesday was spent driving over to Volcanoes National Park to check out some active volcanoes, and where we went to the best park ranger talk I’ve ever been to (thanks Ranger Dean). Thursday the whole family volunteered for the women’s race at Run Aid 4. In an awesome twist, Jan Frodeno showed up to help volunteer at this aid station right on Palani hill. We got to watch all the pro women run by. Tons of fun – if you’ve never volunteered at an IM, do so. You won’t regret it.

Friday was spent with a final short bike check-out ride, driving the bike course up to Hawi, going to the beach, and generally being nervous about the upcoming race on Saturday.
 
Friday morning started with an amazingly good night’s sleep, then rolling everyone out of bed at 4am to drive down to the start line. After my wife dropped me off at the pier, I went about checking my bike and pumping tires. The starting area was electric. I met my brother and his wife on the way to my swim chute for a quick picture to memorialize – the place was rocking.

There was an amazing ceremony where a local native Hawaiian chanted accompanied by drums, asking the goddess of the bay to be kind to us after awakening her from her slumber of 3 years of no racing. The pro men went off with a cannon and then it was a wait for about half an hour until we were getting in the water for the swim. Our group, the Men’s 40-44 year olds, was one of the largest waves of the day, with almost 600 of us in it. We had to swim out to the start line about 100 yards and wait for the gun.

The start line was a group of people on surfboards, who were just floating back and forth across the line. When the gun went off, they turned 90 degrees, and we swam past them. Having so many starting in such a small place, it was chaos, a lot like the old days of mass start races. The swim course was like a box, straight out for about 1800m, turn right for 100m, then back in for 1800m. I intentionally started back and to the left to avoid as much of the chop as possible. Once I found some space, I was able to swim steadily and fairly straight – sighting was good and the scenery was even better. There was coral and fish to see about the first half of the swim out and the last half of the swim back, which makes the swim much more interesting. I’m a decidedly average swimmer, so with a 15 minute head start on the wave behind me I thought I’d end up getting passed by guys in that wave on the second half of the swim. Nope - I got passed by the wave behind me right at the turnaround – those guys were flying. Laughed to myself as I saw colored swim caps here and there along the sea floor, which had fallen off competitors’ heads, giving the coral an even brighter pop of color. Ran out of the water in 1:25:33, about what I’d have expected for an ocean swim.

In transition, I ran through the hoses dangling from a trellis like tentacles. Rinsed off completely and swished some water in my mouth to try and get some of the ocean I ingested out. As I mentioned, my family in 4 distinct groups were spectating at various spots around the course. As my mother and father were there and are getting up in age (thus having more difficulty standing around for long periods of time), we had purchased the VIP package for them for the day. That got them access into a air-conditioned lounge, and the VIPs had access around the perimeter of the pier on race day, so my mother and father were waiting for me as I headed into T2. Grabbed my bike gear bag with my shoes, helmet and nutrition and got changed – spent at least 3 or 4 extra minutes putting on some arm coolers for the bike (it’s hard to get them on when wet). I knew it was going to be hot, and thought the coolers would have the double whammy of keeping me slightly cooler and keeping me from sunburn on at least a portion of me – this was a great choice and the arm coolers were $30 well spent. Right at the end of T2 I saw my wife and kids waiting, so stopped and told them I was doing OK. Between the arm coolers, the long run, and stopping with my parents and my wife/kids to take a couple pictures I had a long T2 time for me – 11:05. I’m usually in the 6-8 minute range.

Since I knew I was undertrained on the bike due to my lack of outdoor riding, the plan was to take it easy for the first half of the bike and try to pick it up on the way back into town based upon how I felt. The bike course heads south of Kona for about 6 miles before turning around back through Kona, up to the Queen K, and then 52-53 miles out to Hawi. The course is famous for the trade winds blowing for the 7 mile climb up to Hawi and the 7 miles back down, but we didn’t have much wind on race day. Spectators were everywhere in town, sometimes even 2-3 deep at the rails. I was able to see my wife/kids, parents, and younger brother on the way out of town, and older brother’s family on the way back into town. Once you make the turn on Palani, though, to head up to the Queen K and out to Hawi, the crowds went from crazy to nonexistent. It was then a long slow slog for 50 miles out to the turnaround.

I was able to see my brother’s family at Waikoloa (about halfway) on the way out, and apparently I just missed my wife/kids then. The course was deceptively hilly, and crazy hot riding through the lava fields. It’s like the heat was radiating up through the ground, and parts of the course you thought were flat were not, but instead uphill. The first aid station was at mile 15 and I really thought they could have used one sooner – after a very salty swim my initial bottle of water didn’t last me nearly as long as I thought it would. Every aid station I picked up a bottle to refill my aerobottle, another spare water to stash, and a Gatorade Endurance. Right before the next aid station I’d refill the aerobottle with what I had left, dump the rest of the water and head, and toss the bottles. Rinse and repeat every aid station – this is a reliable system that works well for me.

Checking the splits on the Ironman tracker, I averaged 17.1mph on the first 60 miles of the course up to the turnaround and 18mph on the way back into town, which was surprising since from the turnaround at mile 60 to about mile 80 I was consistently over 30mph. I would have thought the differential first half to second was more substantial, but at the end of the bike the overall average was 17.52mph, again about what I’d have expected for being so undertrained. Luckily, I did get to see my wife/kids on the way back to town at Waikoloa which gave me a great boost, and we got what is one of my favorite pictures of the race then on the side of the Queen K. As I was finishing my ride back down into Kona town, I could see the athletes pouring out onto the Queen K and knew I would be one of them shortly. Total bike time 6:25:08 – not my PR, but not as bad as St. George (and others).

Coming in to T2, I was very hot and with the volume of liquid I had consumed biking trying to stay cool, my stomach was rumbling. Not so much the “I have to use the bathroom” rumbling, but more the “please don’t put anything else in me” rumbling. Had to rack my own bike (not a big deal to me but there was lots of complaining about it from other athletes) due to lack of volunteers, grabbed the run bag, and into the change tent. Quick removal of the arm sleeves (didn’t want to run in them due to chafing) and re-Body Gliding the feet, and I was out the door. Again saw my wife and kids coming out of the change tents, so stopped for pictures/hugs. I knew I was going to finish now, it was just a matter of how long it took. I had 7 hours +/- to finish the run, so I was pretty confident that barring a huge problem it wouldn’t be an issue. T2 time 9:51.

Now off to run – this is where I usually shine. The vast majority of IM athletes bugger their runs by over-biking, and I had intentionally taken it easy on the bike. However, the stomach issues really reared their head at the beginning of the run. By mile 2 I had to walk as I thought I was going to puke. Did the run/walk dance all the way out south of town and back to town, about 8 miles total, then up Palani (again) and then out the Queen K for the rest. Somewhere around 10 miles, I started to feel a bit better and was able to run more consistently. Certainly not like I’m capable of, but not nearly as bad as the first 8 miles. At mile 15, we entered the famous Energy Lab. I can tell you, the time to run it is at sunset. The heat was down, the sun was setting over the ocean, it was stunning. Plus, on the way out of the Energy Lab, you got to see the moon rise over the mountain (Mauna Kea or Mauna Loa, not sure which). The Energy Lab was very, very dark after sundown. The 2 aid stations that you passed twice each both had portable lights, but if you’re running through here after dark you’d want a headlamp. No street lamps and other than the aid station lights and the lights of some other racers, you couldn’t see 3 feet in front of your face. At the last aid station in the Energy Lab right at Special Needs, my left pinky toe was rubbing on the next toe to the point where I had to stop as I clearly had a huge blister. I acquired some Vaseline at the aid station and a VERY gracious volunteer with some gloves helped me get out of my shoe/sock, apply the Vaseline, and put my shoe/sock back on without me having to sit down. Without that guy’s help, I might still be out in the Energy Lab with cramps. Thank you whoever you are. After the out and back in the Energy Lab, there was 7 miles to go back on the Queen K.

I ran most of the last 7 miles with the occasional walk break until I came to a spot a couple blocks away from Palani where I could start to hear the finish line. I knew I was going to make it, but wasn’t sure how much longer it would take. There was a right turn on Palani and down the huge hill, which for my shot quads was a nightmare. Left on Kuakini and down to Ali’i drive at the Banyan tree which you couldn’t discern in the dark. As you turned on Ali’I finally, Hoka had set up glowing posts that varied in color like a rainbow. You could see the glow of the finish line, and spectators lined the streets. I could hear Mike Reilly announcing finisher after finisher. Red carpet time. At the start of the red carpet the family was on the right side of the street cheering. They had been out there just as long as I had, baking in the sun, worried for me, pulling for me. I came through that finish chute and Mike said, “Scott Mitchell, you are an Ironman!” for the last time. Run time 5:18:30, total finish time 13:30:07.
 
Once I walked down from the finish line, one of the volunteers grabbed me and wrapped a towel around my shoulders. She put a lei around my neck and started walking me away from the finisher area over to pick up a shirt/hat/medal. After a picture, the volunteer released me into “Athlete Recovery”, which was a really nice grassy area on the back side of the King Kamehameha with mats available to athletes to rest. I knew the family was waiting, so I just grabbed a couple of waters and some French fries from athlete food, and then headed back into transition to pick up my bike and gear bags. This race was super-organized from top to bottom, so I was a little surprised Ironman made the decision to have you walk all the way across the pier (after 140.6 miles) to get your gear bags before they’d let you walk back across the pier to get your bike. Seems like the reverse would be much more efficient and far less steps for tired legs.

Brought the bike and gear bags out to where my family was waiting – what a sight for sore eyes. The wife graciously volunteered to drop my bike off at TriBike Transport, so my kids and I walked back up Palani (again, I’m learning to hate this hill) to the shuttle to get back to where they had parked. The shuttle eventually showed up, we picked up the car (and my wife who was waiting on the next shuttle after bike dropoff) and headed back to the cottages.

The whole family (minus the 2 year old) was there to greet me. We chatted about the race, took some pictures, then I was able to get in the shower. A couple of Tylenol PM and I actually got a little sleep, which is unlike after most races.

Where do I go from here? The family has asked (and I agreed) that there be no full on the schedule for 2023, so that’s for certain. I don’t know if I’ll ever race a full again – the time commitment and the sheer body shattering that goes on might just be too much. Certainly not for 2023 though. I’m sure there will be some 70.3s, which ones TBD but the training for those is so much more manageable. I don’t want to quit altogether. This sport has given me so many memories, from my very first Ironman on the run course about mile 25 when a girl on a cell phone and flip flops sprinted past me looking for her person, to meeting Julie Moss at the finish line in Haines City, to rounding that turn north of St. George and seeing the bike course go up the side of a mountain, to meeting Jan Frodeno at an aid station in Kona, to finishes at a double World Championship in 2022. Maybe we’ll try a destination 70.3 in 2023 or 2024 to give me something to train for and to make more memories.



#anything is possible.
 
Incredible. Awesome report. How you guys do this is just beyond my level of understanding.

What a journey to finally make it to that race and then just nail it all the way through. And on top of that your family gets a great vacation and one great memory of their dad, son, husband...etc.....complete something so epic.

Congrats!!
 
and a full marathon (only one - never again)

Dude, you have run many marathons after this, but in combination with 90 minutes of swimming and 7 hours of biking!!!

I am in awe of how you get off a bike after that long and can get motivated to start a marathon, when you could just call it a great day there and have a beer.

Phenomenal effort, and incredible race report. Read every word.

Love that your family is so supportive and proud. What a great day for you and them!
 
While certain other posters might not want to give @gruecd a shout-out, I'm happy to. I borrowed a workout that I'd picked up (and used before) from our guy from one of his training cycles:
4 x hill; hard mile; 3 x hill; hard mile; 2 x hill; hard mile; 1 x hill, hard mile.

I ran this with my protege, Ashley, to help get her geared up for the conference meet on the 29th. (I kept my miles to ~1400m to stay in synch with her ...except the last, which I ran in 7:02.) I've planned out a hilly 10 miler for her on Saturday (Waterfall Glen) and then some track intervals next Monday. We're starting to game plan a race strategy, knowing one top runner has been putting up better times than her. Can we get her positioned to compete for the win? This is fun.
I've not done it since injuries began, but not only did I hyjack this workout I titled it after him. That was when I was on my apex towards my physical peak before covid and a meeting with a motor vehicle caused it all to come crashing down.
 
Oh I forgot to post this in my report, but a big shout out to Garmin for their new Epix watch. I brought a backup battery on my run to charge it 2/3 of the way through (like I had to with my Fenix 5+ on prior ultras), but it wasn't even close to required. I finished 15+ hours of running with 60% battery left. I set up the watch to use all the satellites and disable the always-on screen mode (would activate with a wrist turn when I looked at it). Chest strap and foot temperature sensor running the whole time as well. Incredibly impressive.
 
Finally did the run commute thing yesterday that I had talked about in the spring. Other than some indigestion putting me at defcon 3 for bears on the return trip, things went pretty well. It's a bit of a pain from the logistic perspective, and for some reason it freaks the wife out way more than my normal running routine, so I probably won't do it more than a couple of times a year. It was nice though because the kids will be home this weekend, so getting in runs would be challenging, but now I've pretty much pre-run my weekend activities.
 
Thanks...but God no! I'm hoping for sub 3:20.

Today felt good and I ran 13+ at GMP last week that felt good too. I feel like I can get 20 at pace, but nervous about the full 26+.
What's the weather stalking looking like?

I'm pretty sure most weather apps revert to the mean when you are looking more than ~7-10 days out. The couple I looked at show 60/40ish as hi/lo for the day, which is right in line with avg Temps.

I'll take 10 degrees cooler please.
 
Thanks...but God no! I'm hoping for sub 3:20.

Today felt good and I ran 13+ at GMP last week that felt good too. I feel like I can get 20 at pace, but nervous about the full 26+.
What's the weather stalking looking like?

I'm pretty sure most weather apps revert to the mean when you are looking more than ~7-10 days out. The couple I looked at show 60/40ish as hi/lo for the day, which is right in line with avg Temps.

I'll take 10 degrees cooler please.
Weather looking pretty good. Right now overnight low Friday into Saturday showing as 39 degrees. Supposed to be a little cooler on Saturday night, so I'm hoping that moves up a day...
 
Thanks...but God no! I'm hoping for sub 3:20.

Today felt good and I ran 13+ at GMP last week that felt good too. I feel like I can get 20 at pace, but nervous about the full 26+.
What's the weather stalking looking like?

I'm pretty sure most weather apps revert to the mean when you are looking more than ~7-10 days out. The couple I looked at show 60/40ish as hi/lo for the day, which is right in line with avg Temps.

I'll take 10 degrees cooler please.
Weather looking pretty good. Right now overnight low Friday into Saturday showing as 39 degrees. Supposed to be a little cooler on Saturday night, so I'm hoping that moves up a day...
You do realize, as a pacer, you can't go shirtless, right? :lol:
 
Thanks...but God no! I'm hoping for sub 3:20.

Today felt good and I ran 13+ at GMP last week that felt good too. I feel like I can get 20 at pace, but nervous about the full 26+.
What's the weather stalking looking like?

I'm pretty sure most weather apps revert to the mean when you are looking more than ~7-10 days out. The couple I looked at show 60/40ish as hi/lo for the day, which is right in line with avg Temps.

I'll take 10 degrees cooler please.
Weather looking pretty good. Right now overnight low Friday into Saturday showing as 39 degrees. Supposed to be a little cooler on Saturday night, so I'm hoping that moves up a day...
You do realize, as a pacer, you can't go shirtless, right? :lol:
Is body paint considered a shirt? Could be an option.
 
Thanks...but God no! I'm hoping for sub 3:20.

Today felt good and I ran 13+ at GMP last week that felt good too. I feel like I can get 20 at pace, but nervous about the full 26+.
What's the weather stalking looking like?

I'm pretty sure most weather apps revert to the mean when you are looking more than ~7-10 days out. The couple I looked at show 60/40ish as hi/lo for the day, which is right in line with avg Temps.

I'll take 10 degrees cooler please.
Weather looking pretty good. Right now overnight low Friday into Saturday showing as 39 degrees. Supposed to be a little cooler on Saturday night, so I'm hoping that moves up a day...
You do realize, as a pacer, you can't go shirtless, right? :lol:
Is body paint considered a shirt? Could be an option.

Does @gianmarco draped all over him count as clothing?
 
Thanks...but God no! I'm hoping for sub 3:20.

Today felt good and I ran 13+ at GMP last week that felt good too. I feel like I can get 20 at pace, but nervous about the full 26+.
What's the weather stalking looking like?

I'm pretty sure most weather apps revert to the mean when you are looking more than ~7-10 days out. The couple I looked at show 60/40ish as hi/lo for the day, which is right in line with avg Temps.

I'll take 10 degrees cooler please.
Weather looking pretty good. Right now overnight low Friday into Saturday showing as 39 degrees. Supposed to be a little cooler on Saturday night, so I'm hoping that moves up a day...
You do realize, as a pacer, you can't go shirtless, right? :lol:
Says who?!
 
Thanks...but God no! I'm hoping for sub 3:20.

Today felt good and I ran 13+ at GMP last week that felt good too. I feel like I can get 20 at pace, but nervous about the full 26+.
What's the weather stalking looking like?

I'm pretty sure most weather apps revert to the mean when you are looking more than ~7-10 days out. The couple I looked at show 60/40ish as hi/lo for the day, which is right in line with avg Temps.

I'll take 10 degrees cooler please.

66/46 now :kicksrock:
 
Thanks...but God no! I'm hoping for sub 3:20.

Today felt good and I ran 13+ at GMP last week that felt good too. I feel like I can get 20 at pace, but nervous about the full 26+.
What's the weather stalking looking like?

I'm pretty sure most weather apps revert to the mean when you are looking more than ~7-10 days out. The couple I looked at show 60/40ish as hi/lo for the day, which is right in line with avg Temps.

I'll take 10 degrees cooler please.

66/46 now :kicksrock:
Yeah, 42° for the overnight low on Friday into Saturday, meaning we'll probably see temps in the upper 40s to mid 50s by the time we're done running. Fine with me for pacing, but definitely warmer than I'd like if I was racing.
 
Thanks...but God no! I'm hoping for sub 3:20.

Today felt good and I ran 13+ at GMP last week that felt good too. I feel like I can get 20 at pace, but nervous about the full 26+.
What's the weather stalking looking like?

I'm pretty sure most weather apps revert to the mean when you are looking more than ~7-10 days out. The couple I looked at show 60/40ish as hi/lo for the day, which is right in line with avg Temps.

I'll take 10 degrees cooler please.

66/46 now :kicksrock:
Yeah, 42° for the overnight low on Friday into Saturday, meaning we'll probably see temps in the upper 40s to mid 50s by the time we're done running. Fine with me for pacing, but definitely warmer than I'd like if I was racing.
Looking similar in NYC the following day. However, it might sneak into the low 60's, which would make this my warmest NYC Marathon.
 
My son (who will be 12 next month) had his cross-country league championship meet today. This is his first year running and prior to the season we ran a 5k together at 30:57 (9:57 pace). He had his first meet about a month later, which is a hilly 3k course and ran a 17:12 (8:57). He has been improving throughout the season and last week he had a breakout race in which he set over a 30 sec PR to get his time down to 15:41 (8:10).

This week we practiced running downhill a bit since he is much taller than all the other kids and reminded him to take advantage of his long legs down the hill. I told him that he could win a ribbon if he finished in the top 25, usually for in season meets the top 10 get a ribbon. Of the 37 kids that qualified for champs (needed to run 4 of 6 season races), I knew that he had the 28th best PR.

The dude killed it today and ran an unofficial 15:12 (7:55) and brought home a ribbon, not sure of his exact place. He even listened to me and really attacked the downhills. Super happy for him, he hasn’t hadn’t a lot of success/interest in sports, and this his first experience of working on something over time athletically and seeing the payoff.

On my end, had a little scare with some hip pain after the OC half . I feel fine now; will be going for a PR in Richmond. Decided to adjust goal time to 2:52 as opposed to 2:50.
 
Thanks...but God no! I'm hoping for sub 3:20.

Today felt good and I ran 13+ at GMP last week that felt good too. I feel like I can get 20 at pace, but nervous about the full 26+.
What's the weather stalking looking like?

I'm pretty sure most weather apps revert to the mean when you are looking more than ~7-10 days out. The couple I looked at show 60/40ish as hi/lo for the day, which is right in line with avg Temps.

I'll take 10 degrees cooler please.

66/46 now :kicksrock:
Yeah, 42° for the overnight low on Friday into Saturday, meaning we'll probably see temps in the upper 40s to mid 50s by the time we're done running. Fine with me for pacing, but definitely warmer than I'd like if I was racing.
True. For us slow pokes, we’ll be alright for the half.

Also, southerners 👍🏽
 
My son (who will be 12 next month) had his cross-country league championship meet today. This is his first year running and prior to the season we ran a 5k together at 30:57 (9:57 pace). He had his first meet about a month later, which is a hilly 3k course and ran a 17:12 (8:57). He has been improving throughout the season and last week he had a breakout race in which he set over a 30 sec PR to get his time down to 15:41 (8:10).

This week we practiced running downhill a bit since he is much taller than all the other kids and reminded him to take advantage of his long legs down the hill. I told him that he could win a ribbon if he finished in the top 25, usually for in season meets the top 10 get a ribbon. Of the 37 kids that qualified for champs (needed to run 4 of 6 season races), I knew that he had the 28th best PR.

The dude killed it today and ran an unofficial 15:12 (7:55) and brought home a ribbon, not sure of his exact place. He even listened to me and really attacked the downhills. Super happy for him, he hasn’t hadn’t a lot of success/interest in sports, and this his first experience of working on something over time athletically and seeing the payoff.

On my end, had a little scare with some hip pain after the OC half . I feel fine now; will be going for a PR in Richmond. Decided to adjust goal time to 2:52 as opposed to 2:50.
Scary truths about HS cross country runners:

- he'll just look at his shoes and get faster.
- he's gonna be faster than you real soon now.
 
Got super pissed at my watch yesterday as it AGAIN started tracking my cadence...160 hr for a 10:45 pace. Pulled the trigger on a Forerunner 945 that's on sale for $350 on Amazon right now.

It had free overnight delivery and it delivered before 5:00 this morning. Got it all set up and wore it on my run today. My sample of 1 is that it had no issues at all whereas my 245M had been spazzing out 9/10 of my runs recently and was having random Bluetooth issues to my headphones. Hopefully it stays that way :shrug:
 
Race day on the 5th :oldunsure: Starting to get anxious for this thing.

Weather forecasts on weather channel vs AccuWeather are drastically different. Probably going to be warmer than I like and I'm obviously worried about how that will impact performance and likelihood for cramping.

I've kicked around hanging with @gruecd for the first couple of miles and then easing into a faster pace to try and catch up to the 3:20 group and then reevaluate from there. The issue is if I catch the group I'm looking at making up around a minute after 2 miles. To catch them, I'd obviously need to be going faster than that group, and running at a 730 pace, we would be looking at 7-8 to catch up, assuming they aren't banking time..so maybe ~10 miles, which would have me there after 12. Then just hang on and see what happens.

Or, should I just start with the 320 group?

In each of these cases, I would be at the same time at the halfway point and I wouldn't be doing a true negative split unless I find a lot of juice at the end.

I feel like I want some "team" feel for this instead of going solo. I've never ran with a pacer though, so I have no idea if I will like it :shrug:
 
You are way faster than anything I could consider, but in general, I would definitely recommend starting at the slower pace. You can make up the time later... It's a long race. If you go out too hot, you can't fix it later. You don't need to make up all the time at the halfway mark either.
 
Race day on the 5th :oldunsure: Starting to get anxious for this thing.

Weather forecasts on weather channel vs AccuWeather are drastically different. Probably going to be warmer than I like and I'm obviously worried about how that will impact performance and likelihood for cramping.

I've kicked around hanging with @gruecd for the first couple of miles and then easing into a faster pace to try and catch up to the 3:20 group and then reevaluate from there. The issue is if I catch the group I'm looking at making up around a minute after 2 miles. To catch them, I'd obviously need to be going faster than that group, and running at a 730 pace, we would be looking at 7-8 to catch up, assuming they aren't banking time..so maybe ~10 miles, which would have me there after 12. Then just hang on and see what happens.

Or, should I just start with the 320 group?

In each of these cases, I would be at the same time at the halfway point and I wouldn't be doing a true negative split unless I find a lot of juice at the end.

I feel like I want some "team" feel for this instead of going solo. I've never ran with a pacer though, so I have no idea if I will like it :shrug:
You are way faster than anything I could consider, but in general, I would definitely recommend starting at the slower pace. You can make up the time later... It's a long race. If you go out too hot, you can't fix it later. You don't need to make up all the time at the halfway mark either.
Pffft. Full gas from the start line.
 
Race day on the 5th :oldunsure: Starting to get anxious for this thing.

Weather forecasts on weather channel vs AccuWeather are drastically different. Probably going to be warmer than I like and I'm obviously worried about how that will impact performance and likelihood for cramping.

I've kicked around hanging with @gruecd for the first couple of miles and then easing into a faster pace to try and catch up to the 3:20 group and then reevaluate from there. The issue is if I catch the group I'm looking at making up around a minute after 2 miles. To catch them, I'd obviously need to be going faster than that group, and running at a 730 pace, we would be looking at 7-8 to catch up, assuming they aren't banking time..so maybe ~10 miles, which would have me there after 12. Then just hang on and see what happens.

Or, should I just start with the 320 group?

In each of these cases, I would be at the same time at the halfway point and I wouldn't be doing a true negative split unless I find a lot of juice at the end.

I feel like I want some "team" feel for this instead of going solo. I've never ran with a pacer though, so I have no idea if I will like it :shrug:
My 3 cents. Use that 3:20 group(s) however best you like. You can line up behind and monitor how they are pacing it and keep on their tail indefinitely if you like how they are rolling. Or if they are looking at a positive split and that’s not your style, let them go and then reel them in.
As wonderful as @gruecd is, don’t start with him unless it’s 70* at 7am. And don’t let him catch you either 😏

You’re going to do great 👊
 
Race day on the 5th :oldunsure: Starting to get anxious for this thing.

Weather forecasts on weather channel vs AccuWeather are drastically different. Probably going to be warmer than I like and I'm obviously worried about how that will impact performance and likelihood for cramping.

I've kicked around hanging with @gruecd for the first couple of miles and then easing into a faster pace to try and catch up to the 3:20 group and then reevaluate from there. The issue is if I catch the group I'm looking at making up around a minute after 2 miles. To catch them, I'd obviously need to be going faster than that group, and running at a 730 pace, we would be looking at 7-8 to catch up, assuming they aren't banking time..so maybe ~10 miles, which would have me there after 12. Then just hang on and see what happens.

Or, should I just start with the 320 group?

In each of these cases, I would be at the same time at the halfway point and I wouldn't be doing a true negative split unless I find a lot of juice at the end.

I feel like I want some "team" feel for this instead of going solo. I've never ran with a pacer though, so I have no idea if I will like it :shrug:
Never run with grue.

- signed @gianmarco
 
160 miles in October and I switched Richmond to the half today. My toes are still facking sore and I don’t want to rush this too much.
Signed up for a late Nov flat crushed gravel style up and back trail marathon from north of Baltimore up to around PA state line. I’ve ran there before and it can be fast and the logistics should be very light.

Couple more weeks to find my legs.
:stalker:
 
Race day on the 5th :oldunsure: Starting to get anxious for this thing.

Weather forecasts on weather channel vs AccuWeather are drastically different. Probably going to be warmer than I like and I'm obviously worried about how that will impact performance and likelihood for cramping.

I've kicked around hanging with @gruecd for the first couple of miles and then easing into a faster pace to try and catch up to the 3:20 group and then reevaluate from there. The issue is if I catch the group I'm looking at making up around a minute after 2 miles. To catch them, I'd obviously need to be going faster than that group, and running at a 730 pace, we would be looking at 7-8 to catch up, assuming they aren't banking time..so maybe ~10 miles, which would have me there after 12. Then just hang on and see what happens.

Or, should I just start with the 320 group?

In each of these cases, I would be at the same time at the halfway point and I wouldn't be doing a true negative split unless I find a lot of juice at the end.

I feel like I want some "team" feel for this instead of going solo. I've never ran with a pacer though, so I have no idea if I will like it :shrug:
I'm a huge fan of starting slower for the first couple miles. If it was me, I'd run with Grue's group until mile 2...say thank you and start to move from there. You'll have some space in the road but still lots of people (you will not feel alone).

The half marathon splits off at mile 7-8 IIRC, so then you'll be a bit more lonely. But hopefully, in a mile or so, you'll see that 3:20 pacer out in the distance and will be able to reel him and the group in by mile 10. You'll get to the 3:20 pacer at mile 10ish and then can slow down your pace and hang with them to mile 18ish. That will get you over the uphill section of the course. Once you get to the downhill around mile 19, you can re-evaluate and if you are feeling good, you can start to pull away from the group. If its hot and you are struggling, then you stay with that 3:20 mofo until the finish.

I will say the pacers at Indy aren't vetted like some places. So the 3:20 guy could be a banking time type of pacer. I tell you this to not let yourself get down if you haven't caught him at mile 10 or 11. You could also approach him in the starting corral to find out his pacing strategy and then move back to Grue.

Good luck and please post your bib info so we can all track you!
 
Race day on the 5th :oldunsure: Starting to get anxious for this thing.

Weather forecasts on weather channel vs AccuWeather are drastically different. Probably going to be warmer than I like and I'm obviously worried about how that will impact performance and likelihood for cramping.

I've kicked around hanging with @gruecd for the first couple of miles and then easing into a faster pace to try and catch up to the 3:20 group and then reevaluate from there. The issue is if I catch the group I'm looking at making up around a minute after 2 miles. To catch them, I'd obviously need to be going faster than that group, and running at a 730 pace, we would be looking at 7-8 to catch up, assuming they aren't banking time..so maybe ~10 miles, which would have me there after 12. Then just hang on and see what happens.

Or, should I just start with the 320 group?

In each of these cases, I would be at the same time at the halfway point and I wouldn't be doing a true negative split unless I find a lot of juice at the end.

I feel like I want some "team" feel for this instead of going solo. I've never ran with a pacer though, so I have no idea if I will like it :shrug:


I will say the pacers at Indy aren't vetted like some places.

@gruecd :oldunsure:
 
24 hours, over 160 miles of running in October. I felt fine all the way until a couple weeks ago when I drove my HS senior to Mississippi state, then the right leg started bothering me.
Right hamstring is still nagging me pretty bad, enough that I’ll still run Saturday but I’m SO looking forward to not running (much) the rest of the year.
Next week starts a focus on swim and strength which I plan to do through the end of the year. I’ll probably start back on the bike, zwift, in December.
I’m a dumbass though and signed up for the oak barrel April 1, so I can’t take the full winter off of running.

Looking forward to seeing everyone Saturday, what’s the plan for meetup after? I’ll have my sister, BIL and parents in town but will be happy to take some time to meet y’all.
 
24 hours, over 160 miles of running in October. I felt fine all the way until a couple weeks ago when I drove my HS senior to Mississippi state, then the right leg started bothering me.
Right hamstring is still nagging me pretty bad, enough that I’ll still run Saturday but I’m SO looking forward to not running (much) the rest of the year.
Next week starts a focus on swim and strength which I plan to do through the end of the year. I’ll probably start back on the bike, zwift, in December.
I’m a dumbass though and signed up for the oak barrel April 1, so I can’t take the full winter off of running.

Looking forward to seeing everyone Saturday, what’s the plan for meetup after? I’ll have my sister, BIL and parents in town but will be happy to take some time to meet y’all.
You should try cruise control. Would take some pressure off your right leg if it’s on the accelerator all day.
 
Race day on the 5th :oldunsure: Starting to get anxious for this thing.

Weather forecasts on weather channel vs AccuWeather are drastically different. Probably going to be warmer than I like and I'm obviously worried about how that will impact performance and likelihood for cramping.

I've kicked around hanging with @gruecd for the first couple of miles and then easing into a faster pace to try and catch up to the 3:20 group and then reevaluate from there. The issue is if I catch the group I'm looking at making up around a minute after 2 miles. To catch them, I'd obviously need to be going faster than that group, and running at a 730 pace, we would be looking at 7-8 to catch up, assuming they aren't banking time..so maybe ~10 miles, which would have me there after 12. Then just hang on and see what happens.

Or, should I just start with the 320 group?

In each of these cases, I would be at the same time at the halfway point and I wouldn't be doing a true negative split unless I find a lot of juice at the end.

I feel like I want some "team" feel for this instead of going solo. I've never ran with a pacer though, so I have no idea if I will like it :shrug:


I will say the pacers at Indy aren't vetted like some places.

@gruecd :oldunsure:
Grue is solid. No worries with him. 😊
 

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