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Zasada
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Zasada
Footballguy
Jeebus, that's crazy. I think this helps explain how you continue to crush races despite so many obstacles during training.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Slightly. I've started running backward so I can run slow enough to keep my HR down.
But serious answer, no. I've tried really hard to maintain somewhat decent form even at really slow paces. It's hard and I had to slow down my cadence in order to achieve it but I think I've done ok trying to not change things too much.
The good thing is that I already seem to be speeding up a little. Yesterday I got out and felt like I was running more of what my old slow paces were. Unfortunately, I felt really off yesterday and didn't feel good out there and stopped my run short. My legs felt like Jell-o and I was struggling for the first time since doing this. Strange thing was that I had a normal night's sleep, hadn't run the day before, had run in much worse weather, had plenty of fuel, and yet despite no really good reason just had a harder time controlling my HR and feeling comfortable. Hoping for better later today when I get out.
Ned
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BnB is our Chuck Norris. Don't bother trying to compare anything you do to what he does.
gruecd
Footballguy
I remember that run. It was an all-time sweatfest.
Speaking of which, I think my body is almost recovered from that disaster of a trail race on Saturday. It really messed me up, especially my GI system. Anyway, went out and did an easy 5-miler this morning and was absolutely SOAKED by the time I finished. I definitely foresee some treadmill/Pettit running in my future over the next several days...
MAC_32
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ChiefD
Footballguy
I had the same issue last night. It's the air - this heat wave coming in has changed things.
And if you ever going to take a rest day, today is it. Gonna be brutally dangerous out there to run today. That's why I ran yesterday - want nothing to do with running today.
beer 30
Footballguy
Like waiting until a month or two before to train for a 100 miler you signed up for?
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gianmarco
Footballguy
ChiefD
Footballguy
Brony
Footballguy
MAC_32
Footballguy
If the forecast holds that's about what I'll be "recovery" running in Friday.
I'm hoping I don't overheat and can do my long run for the week after work tomorrow - hopefully 89/66 + shaded trails are just enough of a mixture to keep me from blowing up before getting to 80-90 mins.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Yes, I needed to thank you for that again. That's an awesome feature. I was able to see that I did in fact do a negative split on that run. I could waste a lot of time using that feature.
MAC_32
Footballguy
I get that, but you never run in the heat. Of course you can't race in it. So, start running in it. Then maybe your body won't revolt like it has. Won't ever know unless you embrace the suck though.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
I get your point and while I'm on the other end of the spectrum - both being mostly a novice runner and enjoying the heat - I can understand what Grue is saying. He lives where he doesn't really have to embrace it - he can be choosy about his races and training and be a BMF most of the time. I'm an AABMF (average at best mother ####er) and when winter gets here and it's below 40 I have no plans of being outside running. Maybe I'll change my mind but it just doesn't sound fun to me.
pbm107
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Be careful, I dug myself in a deep hole in the summer of 2016 that I think may have been heat related. My training philosophy for dealing with the summer has changed over years from long and slow miles to 5K training where my longest run this summer has been 11 miles. If I can't get out in the early morning, I move inside to the treadmill.
I am taking it easy myself this week and I only raced half the distance you did. My mind is still kind of foggy.
Zasada
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Dress right and it's actually quite nice. I ran in temps as cold as -30C (-22F) last winter and with soft shell pants, warm mittens, three upper layers (base + thermal zip + windbreak), and a good touque, I really didn't feel the cold. And as a bonus, I also didn't sweat that much.
With warmer (but still cold) temps I just reduce the layers and trade-out my soft shell pants for tights.
Given that morning temps <40F are the norm for all but 3 months of the year here, I either have to figure out how to run in the cold or stick to the treadmill. And given that choice, I know which option I'm going for.
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MAC_32
Footballguy
Embrace the suck has been ingrained in me for years, but my stance on if you may race in suboptimal conditions is a relatively new thing. I think if poor conditions are possible and your goal is to compete then you have to prepare in them. If you don't then...well, decisions have consequences.
I decided entering this summer season my weekday runs will primarily be midday/evening rather than early morning. Other factors went into it (i.e. I hate early morning running), but that one is the primary motivation. Full disclosure, I am secretly hoping my wife chooses to skip running Friday morning so I can run at 7:30 am rather than 1 pm, but if she doesn't then I'll find out if I can handle a 170 suck. I ran somewhat briskly in a 155 yesterday and didn't labor at all. And I think that's directly attributable to not shying away from the heat the last 6 weeks or so. I think you need to stay reasonable with what specifically you do in the heat and that's a delicate dance, but I think doing what I did yesterday is optimal vs. more miles in a controlled environment. There are other areas in the poor conditions spectrum I need to embrace, but I think this has been a good start. Watch me jinx myself with what's to come this weekend though.
Macro speaking, if you prepare in poor conditions (hot or cold) then you're better setting yourself up for success race day. Regardless of the conditions. If you only prepare in narrow conditions then you're only setting yourself up for success if inside of those narrow conditions.
gruecd
Footballguy
I don't think it's that simple. I think some people are simply physiologically predisposed to not handle heat as well, and for those people no amount of heat acclimatization is going to help.
gruecd
Footballguy
MAC_32
Footballguy
Everybody is different, but everyone can heat adapt
There's lots of great nuggets, but to highlight one - "Aerobically fit persons who are heat acclimatized and fully hydrated have less body heat storage and perform optimally during exercise-heat stress."
I think it's highly probable based on your sweat stories that you're correct in that heat impacts you relatively more than the average person. I am also certain that if you trained in poorer conditions that you would perform substantially better than you have this year. I'm writing this because you've been getting rough hands dealt at races all year, I understand how much you want to perform well, and you've not been happy with many of your races this year. Embrace the suck and you'll perform better when mother nature lays you a body blow. You may even perform better when mother nature actually behaves herself.
AAABatteries
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Yeah, I should have mentioned that the "40" is all relative. I don't know the number of days it's below 40 here (Atlanta) but it has to be less than 50 days a years - maybe less than 30. Lately, I've been running with just running shorts and shoes and it's fantastic - below 40 I'd have to do the layers too and then deal with what to do with the layers after I warm up some. Just a nuisance for me.
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AAABatteries
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tri-man 47
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Ned
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I'm seeing this first hand this summer. We've been riding regardless of the temps (guys in our group are already #####ing about tonight's ride
) and I'm seeing the benefits. It sucked at first, but this past Sunday was fn awesome. 161 SI and I sweat out ~120oz during a 2hr ride, but I felt like a million bucks. Guys were laying on top of their bikes, but I felt so energized I almost went for a run when I got home.Side note - I'm amazed at how big the fitness gains have been on the mountain bike and how that's translated to running. I'm running 1-2x a week basically, and my runs are improving even during the heat of the day.
Very interesting. I was the reverse, biking didn’t translate to running gains but running did translate to the bikeI'm seeing this first hand this summer. We've been riding regardless of the temps (guys in our group are already #####ing about tonight's ride
Side note - I'm amazed at how big the fitness gains have been on the mountain bike and how that's translated to running. I'm running 1-2x a week basically, and my runs are improving even during the heat of the day.
Ned
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SFBayDuck
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Now this is ultra training. The “burrito run” is totally a thing - pound a burrito then go out in the heat and run. That is specific 100M training.SayWhat? said:Burgers and quesadillas? Finally one of you #######s with a training plan that suits my fitness level!
gruecd
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Soooo....my plan for next spring is totally up in the air. Tried getting into London via my Seven Continents Club membership with Marathon Tours, but I just missed it. They were able to confirm SCC members that joined up until March 1, 2018, and I joined April 16, 2018. The good news is that I'm sitting at the top of the list, so I should definitely get an entry for London 2021.
Fallback plan was to do the same as this past year, i.e. race Carmel on April 4 and run Boston two weeks later for fun. But now I'm thinking to go through the SCC again to see if I can get an entry for Tokyo on March 1, in which case I'd maybe still do Carmel and Boston, but then I'd likely go to Boston myself and try to do it on the (super) cheap. Anybody else running Boston and want a roommate?
ETA: Less than $900 for a direct flight from Chicago to Tokyo. Nice. Also, there's still a slight chance that I get into London via Marathon Tours' random drawing. Like I said, totally up in the air...
Fallback plan was to do the same as this past year, i.e. race Carmel on April 4 and run Boston two weeks later for fun. But now I'm thinking to go through the SCC again to see if I can get an entry for Tokyo on March 1, in which case I'd maybe still do Carmel and Boston, but then I'd likely go to Boston myself and try to do it on the (super) cheap. Anybody else running Boston and want a roommate?
ETA: Less than $900 for a direct flight from Chicago to Tokyo. Nice. Also, there's still a slight chance that I get into London via Marathon Tours' random drawing. Like I said, totally up in the air...
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gianmarco
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Before I comment, I'd like to know the rest of your summer 5K racing schedule.....Soooo....my plan for next spring is totally up in the air. Tried getting into London via my Seven Continents Club membership with Marathon Tours, but I just missed it. They were able to confirm SCC members that joined up until March 1, 2018, and I joined April 16, 2018. The good news is that I'm sitting at the top of the list, so I should definitely get an entry for London 2021.
Fallback plan was to do the same as this past year, i.e. race Carmel on April 4 and run Boston two weeks later for fun. But now I'm thinking to go through the SCC again to see if I can get an entry for Tokyo on March 1, in which case I'd maybe still do Carmel and Boston, but then I'd likely go to Boston myself and try to do it on the (super) cheap. Anybody else running Boston and want a roommate?
ETA: Less than $900 for a direct flight from Chicago to Tokyo. Nice. Also, there's still a slight chance that I get into London via Marathon Tours' random drawing. Like I said, totally up in the air...
gruecd
Footballguy
tri-man 47
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Start hiding money.Soooo....my plan for next spring is totally up in the air. Tried getting into London via my Seven Continents Club membership with Marathon Tours, but I just missed it. They were able to confirm SCC members that joined up until March 1, 2018, and I joined April 16, 2018. The good news is that I'm sitting at the top of the list, so I should definitely get an entry for London 2021.
Fallback plan was to do the same as this past year, i.e. race Carmel on April 4 and run Boston two weeks later for fun. But now I'm thinking to go through the SCC again to see if I can get an entry for Tokyo on March 1, in which case I'd maybe still do Carmel and Boston, but then I'd likely go to Boston myself and try to do it on the (super) cheap. Anybody else running Boston and want a roommate?
ETA: Less than $900 for a direct flight from Chicago to Tokyo. Nice. Also, there's still a slight chance that I get into London via Marathon Tours' random drawing. Like I said, totally up in the air...
AAABatteries
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You could just run from Chicago to Boston to save on gas or a flight. Going to Tokyo may be trickier but maybe tri-man will let you ride him like Aquaman rides his seahorse.gruecd said:Soooo....my plan for next spring is totally up in the air. Tried getting into London via my Seven Continents Club membership with Marathon Tours, but I just missed it. They were able to confirm SCC members that joined up until March 1, 2018, and I joined April 16, 2018. The good news is that I'm sitting at the top of the list, so I should definitely get an entry for London 2021.
Fallback plan was to do the same as this past year, i.e. race Carmel on April 4 and run Boston two weeks later for fun. But now I'm thinking to go through the SCC again to see if I can get an entry for Tokyo on March 1, in which case I'd maybe still do Carmel and Boston, but then I'd likely go to Boston myself and try to do it on the (super) cheap. Anybody else running Boston and want a roommate?
ETA: Less than $900 for a direct flight from Chicago to Tokyo. Nice. Also, there's still a slight chance that I get into London via Marathon Tours' random drawing. Like I said, totally up in the air...
beer 30
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He's a FBG, money is a tertiary concern at best.tri-man 47 said:
This is a visual I need one of you artist types to make come to life. Seriously...I mean it...really.
MAC_32
Footballguy
10 trail miles a nose over 8 minute mile pace in a 160 suck. It's too hot for compression socks, but they're necessary tonight - an hour at the pool was niiiice too. Glad I got this done tonight and am gonna take it easy with the running til the heat passes this weekend. Been a good start to July and am looking forward to taking it up a notch Monday. Those of you doing anything of consequence this weekend, be careful out there.
SFBayDuck
Footballguy
Necessary????
I’ve been in Boston this week so I know the weather pretty much everywhere East of the Rockies is going to be FUBAR this weekend. So you’re all welcome to come hang out with me. If it does get up to that high of 79 on sunday, we can cool off post-run in the pool.
JAA
Footballguy
If you are looking to save a few bucks coming to MA, I can help. Im just not close to the city.gruecd said:Soooo....my plan for next spring is totally up in the air. Tried getting into London via my Seven Continents Club membership with Marathon Tours, but I just missed it. They were able to confirm SCC members that joined up until March 1, 2018, and I joined April 16, 2018. The good news is that I'm sitting at the top of the list, so I should definitely get an entry for London 2021.
Fallback plan was to do the same as this past year, i.e. race Carmel on April 4 and run Boston two weeks later for fun. But now I'm thinking to go through the SCC again to see if I can get an entry for Tokyo on March 1, in which case I'd maybe still do Carmel and Boston, but then I'd likely go to Boston myself and try to do it on the (super) cheap. Anybody else running Boston and want a roommate?
ETA: Less than $900 for a direct flight from Chicago to Tokyo. Nice. Also, there's still a slight chance that I get into London via Marathon Tours' random drawing. Like I said, totally up in the air...
MAC_32
Footballguy
I've asked a lot more of myself lately than I have in several weeks. I was building to a crescendo last night, so my legs saying 'ENOUGH' made sense. Slow moving right now, but overall they feel much better now. Gonna be happier forcing myself out soon in 81/71 than had I stuck to schedule and rivaled what @gianmarco did a few weeks ago. Then a 50-some hour break from running.
bushdocda
Footballguy
Already looking at Tuesday high of 81* for next go at some better 400s than I had yesterday. Today/tomorrow/Sunday are 97*, 99*, 100* so likely taking to the mill for weekend easy miles at least once.
Funny bit on the radio this morning while I drove my car to the shop about people who dislike/won’t/don’t drink water. People stating no water (just soda etc) for day and weeks on end. Drink up the H2O my friends!
Funny bit on the radio this morning while I drove my car to the shop about people who dislike/won’t/don’t drink water. People stating no water (just soda etc) for day and weeks on end. Drink up the H2O my friends!
tri-man 47
Footballguy
MAC_32
Footballguy
May have some good news for you @BassNBrew. That bone dry July you needed came to fruition. Remnants of Barry didn't leave much, outside of a pop up or two that's really the only rain we've had all month, next week's forecast is partly cloudy-sunny-mostly sunny-mostly sunny-sunny-mostly sunny (raceday). So basically you just need to avoid the worst case with heat storms this weekend then the cold front that comes through Sunday.
I'm liking your chances of having primarily dirt with just spots of mud and water.
I'm liking your chances of having primarily dirt with just spots of mud and water.
JAA
Footballguy
I’m 45 miles west, close to Leominster, MA. I used to commute to Back Bay for 3 years so the trek doesn’t bother me. That said, if your serious I can help make things work. I have an extra car and could take to/from airport as long as I’m in town. Happy to help out another BMF.
If I were you and I was going to a destination race, I wouldn’t want to stay with me. For the NYC triathlon I stayed at the venue and it prolly cost me an extra $500. In those situations I think time and connivence win. If I was planning a wedding or having another kid (God forbid!) my feelings may differ.
MAC_32
Footballguy
From everything I've gathered there isn't anything convenient about staying in Boston if you're running the marathon. Whenever I do make it to Boston I intend to stay in the city Fri, Sat, and Mon but if your house is available and my family can't help out the night before I may be taking you up on that offer. My dad's side is from New Hampshire and one wing of the family still lives up there, but none are currently Mass holes.
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tri-man 47
Footballguy
Yeah, I just figured that out, based on Strava maps of your workouts. But you're really only 25-30 minutes from the Hopkinton State Park, just down the road from the marathon start in Hopkinton (and near a train station that connects to the city). That's what I've done for my three races - gotten dropped off at the state park (around 9:30 am) from nearby Southborough and taken their super-convenient bus shuttle to a drop-off a few hundred yards from the starting corrals. Afterwards, runners ride public transit for free, so it's just a train ride back to the state park.
Don't move during the next two years.
