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Ran a 10k - Official Thread (9 Viewers)

5K tonight and I have no idea how to approach it.  Temps look decent at 70° and low humidity.  But I have ZERO idea what the course is like.  It's at a brand new park, so it's not even on Google maps yet.  I do suspect that it will NOT be pancake flat.  Wanna do well and get a good workout in, but I also don't wanna fry my legs for my cut-down 17-miler on Saturday.  Suggestions?
Jog the back part of the course (which should be marked) as your warm-up, which will give you some knowledge of the final mile.  Don't line-up at the very front, as that will create some pressure/stress to hold that position on new terrain ...better to be back in the corral a little bit and be the one making some early passes.  If you encounter hills, give them a solid push, and then depending on the effort, use the downhills to push the pace or to recover, depending how the new course is treating you.

Or just follow the top females, since they typically run such steady races and they'll keep your mind off the race itself.

 
I understand your concerns with the upcoming long run and the warmer than you are used to temps. In addition, 5Ks aren't that important and no reason to worry too much about it. 

So I would just try and PR this thing and stop being a pooosay like @ChiefD said.

 
Jog the back part of the course (which should be marked) as your warm-up, which will give you some knowledge of the final mile.  Don't line-up at the very front, as that will create some pressure/stress to hold that position on new terrain ...better to be back in the corral a little bit and be the one making some early passes.  If you encounter hills, give them a solid push, and then depending on the effort, use the downhills to push the pace or to recover, depending how the new course is treating you.

Or just follow the top females, since they typically run such steady races and they'll keep your mind off the race itself.
Bad posting.

Line up front and Sand the #### out of it.  After a half mile the sweat flying off your body will blind anyone drafting you and leave puddles that anyone else will slip and fall in.  You then should be able to throttle down and jog to the top step of the podium.

 
gruecd said:
5K tonight and I have no idea how to approach it.  Temps look decent at 70° and low humidity.  But I have ZERO idea what the course is like.  It's at a brand new park, so it's not even on Google maps yet.  I do suspect that it will NOT be pancake flat.  Wanna do well and get a good workout in, but I also don't wanna fry my legs for my cut-down 17-miler on Saturday.  Suggestions?
Who are you trying to kid?  No way you just take it easy. 

Go race. 

 
BassNBrew said:
Line up front and Sand the #### out of it.  After a half mile the sweat flying off your body will blind anyone drafting you and leave puddles that anyone else will slip and fall in.  You then should be able to throttle down and jog to the top step of the podium.
Damn.  You guys finally get it!

 
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gruecd said:
5K tonight and I have no idea how to approach it.  Temps look decent at 70° and low humidity.  But I have ZERO idea what the course is like.  It's at a brand new park, so it's not even on Google maps yet.  I do suspect that it will NOT be pancake flat.  Wanna do well and get a good workout in, but I also don't wanna fry my legs for my cut-down 17-miler on Saturday.  Suggestions?
Recover tomorrow ya pansy

 
gruecd said:
5K tonight and I have no idea how to approach it.  Temps look decent at 70° and low humidity.  But I have ZERO idea what the course is like.  It's at a brand new park, so it's not even on Google maps yet.  I do suspect that it will NOT be pancake flat.  Wanna do well and get a good workout in, but I also don't wanna fry my legs for my cut-down 17-miler on Saturday.  Suggestions?
Dude...seriously?  

Got a game tonight against against the Hornets and I have no idea how to approach it.  Temps look decent and good crowd.  But I have no idea what the hardwoods are like. It's a brand new floor, so it's not even on Google maps yet.  I do suspect that it will be pancake flat and the rims set at 10 feet.  Wanna do well and get in a good workout, but I also don't wanna fry my legs for my nationally televised home game on Saturday.  Suggestions?

signed Lebron James

 
Dude...seriously?  

Got a game tonight against against the Hornets and I have no idea how to approach it.  Temps look decent and good crowd.  But I have no idea what the hardwoods are like. It's a brand new floor, so it's not even on Google maps yet.  I do suspect that it will be pancake flat and the rims set at 10 feet.  Wanna do well and get in a good workout, but I also don't wanna fry my legs for my nationally televised home game on Saturday.  Suggestions?

signed Lebron James
Man, you came back for a second dig. Impressive.

 
Who are you trying to kid?  No way you just take it easy. 

Go race. 
Did something in the middle.

Ran the course pre-race as a warmup, and it was pretty obvious it wasn't a PR course. Two big hills (one gravel), a sand section, and lots of turns. So I followed my coach's original plan and ran at maybe 80% effort, felt tempo-ish. Ended up averaging 6:26 pace and passing a guy in the last quarter-mile to take 3rd place.

More impressively, my non-runner wife went sub-28 after literally not having put on a pair of running shoes in months.

 
I get it, brother. Everybody means well, but when I have a ####ty race, the last thing I need/want is somebody blowing smoke up my ###. When I fail to meet a goal, I just need to wallow for a while. Heal up, figure out what went wrong, and kick ### next time.
Agreed.  Appreciate the "good effort" but save the "you did awesome" for a time that I actually did awesome or for someone who has done something awesome.

Personally I'm only 2 for 6 in these attempts at 100.  I hate failing but like doing things that have the potential outcome o failure.

 
So what did you learn?  You call out not getting any downhill training in, and even on a relatively flat 100 like BR you're still going to have quad damage if you haven't hardened them.  Anything else?  My reading of the last post indicates maybe you realize your inconsistent training makes doing this kind of thing pretty tough (which, btw, has always made your ability to finish some of the others remarkable)....is that it?  Anything else?

I'm not trying to grill you, just curious and also selfish - if there is anything I can learn from others, I'm all about that.  I heard a coach on a podcast the other day (Jeff Browning, I think) say the biggest benefit of having a coach for 100 mile training is that they can help you avoid 10 years of making mistakes and learning the associated lessons.  I'm still not hiring a coach (yet), but I sure will crowdsource lessons from others in this crazy sport of ours whenever I can.  And Ann Trason always has her athletes write down 3 things they did right and 3 things they did wrong after every race....with some of my races I'd have a hard time coming up with 3 good things and could (and have) written pages on all the things I screwed up.

Most importantly I hope you're not beating yourself up too much and enjoying some cold ones.  Even without reaching your goals, and we all get that disappointment,  you still ran 88 F'ing miles. 
@SFBayDuck Been meaning to get back to you on this, just busy catching up at work.  Not sure if I'll do a full race report because of time commitments.  I'll toss out some general thoughts for now.

Things I learned:

1. I put myself in a bad position going into this race.  Normal I focus on some long runs and some quality runs.  This cycle I added more mileage than ever in my peak weeks, but it was a bunch of 10-13 mile runs stuffed together with the focus on them being in the heat.  I also dedicated a lot of time to solving my back issue.disc issue.  One decision in particular sums up where I veered astray.  I had been pounding out the miles and finished 13 on July 2.  On July 3 I chose to run 13 on a flat track baking in the sun over a mountain trail that would have been cooler and shaded.  A week later I chose another sun bake over a downhill trail run because I didn't want to lose training time to let the quads recover.  When I had a choice, I chose to run in the hotter part of the day.  This lead to a bunch of flatter runs and runs that were at a slower pace.  The end result is that I didn't have the turnover in my legs to build the bank of time I needed to do this.  I was much better trained for this event mileage wise than Umstead 4 months ago, but most of my runs were at a pace 2 minutes slower.

2. Know the course.  While BR is supposedly flat, it's really not.  It's a bunch of short brutal climbs and descents sandwiched between long flatfish sections.  I think there was about 8-9k of climbing which isn't much, but the grades of that 8-9k become significant when 40% of the course is very flat.

3. I ####ed up everything prep wise and had been so focused on heat training I didn't focus on the details.  About a mile in I realized that I taken out my salt tablet and Advil bag the night before to snag a couple of Advil and didn't put it back.  I knew I wanted sticks with me.  I tested that they fit in the backpack, but I did't run with them (they were sticking out of the zippered part by about 2 inches).  By mile 1.5 the zippers were sliding down and I felt my crap falling out everywhere.  Stopped for a minute to get everything organized.  With no way to secure the sticks, I had to carry them in my hands.  Didn't highlight the crew plan well enough and my crew was at mile 25 when I was at mile 34, next crew accessible location was mile 51.  I had planned to switch from a pack here to a fuel belt so the pack ended up shredding by underarms and triceps to a raw bloody mess.  Went with a new thigh sleeve (long story related to my back) and I still have #### oozing out my upper thigh.  All of these gut punches lead to mental doubt early on.  Heck, I forget the nip guards that were staring me in the face in the morning.  Even with slathering on the vaseline everywhere, it was a constant burned for 16 hours or so.

4. Stick to your plan.  I've always done best when cutting weight during training and continuing right up until race day.  This time I upped my calorie count from 1200-1500 to 2000 race week at the time I started a taper (I usually don't do much of a taper) and my weight ballooned from 222 to 232.  I had read a bunch of stuff here and elsewhere about not cutting weigh prior to an event and decided to try that.  I weighed in at 235 after the event despite burning 17000 calories.  Usually I'll see a few guys bigger than me, but I think I had everyone covered at this event.  This is always going to be a problem for me as years ago I weigh 195 and had a 29 inch waist.  That thigh sleeve I was talking about earlier was an XL and my thigh was still 4 inches larger than the top end.

5. This probably just applies to a BOPer like me, but lay out your race plan weeks in advance and train to it, not set your plan based on you training results.  Second race in the last year that I've done the race plan days before and knew I was likely ####ed.  At shut-in in November I had to keep cutting times in my plan to unrealistic expectations to meet the cutoffs.  I hadn't trained to a targeted pace I needed early to bank enough time.  Missed the last cutoff by 2 minutes.  Similar thing happened here.  I didn't leave enough slush time for sections that were harder than expected.  I also based aid station times on other events.  My 2-3 minutes wasn't enough here because most stations were self serve and there were so many relay and other runners at this event, there was ofter a line to re-fill bladders from a cooler.  I lost time here to my budget that I couldn't get back.  Honestly I knew I was ####ed at mile 34.  I fought back to give myself hope in miles 40-60, but give it all back over the next 15 miles.  Made one last push around mile 70-75 to claw back enough time to have a slim shot, but that quickly faded.  Also to to plan for nature breaks.  Didn't had to deuce, but whizz stops do slow you down.

6. I'm probably not going to be a heat person.  I used to love the heat, but 10-15 years ago I think I had a heat stroke bout in a bike event (had to stop 15 minutes in the middle of an event and felt like I was blacking out) and I've never been the same in the heat.  My weight may also contribute to that.  Some of my slowest times were in the exposed sections and my mile times improved late afternoon and early evening when the temps dropped and the shadows lengthened.

7. Marathon like training doesn't work for me in this sport.  I'm much better off with really long runs, once a week shorter tempo runs, and speed work.  I set al types of training time records for myself this cycle and it didn't help.  I also tend to be more successful when I do positive split training.  Pound the legs early in the run and then finish you runs on tired legs rather than conserve and finish strong.  Most of my training runs were positive splits, but I think that was due to the heat and I never taxed the muscles like I should have.  What works for me is doing less running, but more of it at race pace or faster.

8. Get your tech right.  Totally screwed recharging the tech property or at the right times.  Of the 26 hours, I only had music for maybe 7-8.  Funniest part is I gave my dead phone to my crew at mile 76 to recharged and then I died like the phone.  I was so freaking slowing at that point (45-50 min miles) that crew searched for me up the course thinking they had missed me (thinking no one could be that slow) and then went to the the finish.  I had no way to call anyone and hitched a ride in.  Couldn't get into my hotel room and had didn't know my gf phone number to have someone call her.  Aux charger I bought the night before the event sucked.  Racejoy ap provided by event management drained the phone battery.

What that went right...

1. Get yourself a pair of Rincons and the the carbon shoes.  Between those and the injini socks, I only had two blisters on the toes and the bottom of the feet survived unscathed.  Also for the first time ever my right ankle didn't sell and no heel or ankle pain.  If the quads hadn't gone i could have done this.

2. Night running is getting easier.  The night flew by, never was sleepy.  Felt like everything except the quads could have gone 40 hours.  

3. There may be some hope.  Despite not sniffing a sub 10 minute mile in months, the mid 60 degree start produced some sub 10 minute miles early on and they were easy.  I think I got though the first 12 or so miles at a 12 min average which included two fuel stops and fixing my backpack and one other stop for something stupid.

4. Other that the impending doomed that I was ####ed, I don't think I've ever enjoyed a race this much.

Moral of the story, don't be a BMdnf'er like me, be a BMF'er.

Duck...I was giving serious consideration to flying out to SLC to pace you, but quite honestly I don't want to be the first FBG pacer dropped by a BMF'er who's run 80 miles already about 5 miles into the run.  I can see it now...I would have finished Wasatch but I had to help my pacer limp to an aid station after 5 miles and ####ed my race.  Maybe sometime we can find a flat 100 to run together, but I suspect you are going to go places in this sport and I'll crew you one day after I retire.  That said, got some plans to bounce back from this L so stay tuned.

Also since I might not do a race report, @MAC_32 will like this.  Somewhere around mile 70 we were going back through the bog of dispair or mud of misery and some girl lost her shoe in the shin deep mud and couldn't find it.  Some other dude lost his and went back and found it.  You were right, if it had rained this course would be unfathomable.  The whole lot of you should be sued by PETA because those "bridle trails" with 30%+ grade and rutted out are animal cruelty.  

 
Things I learned
@BassNBrew, thanks for posting this.  I have so much to learn about ultras, your experience will help me prepare immensely.

Other that the impending doomed that I was ####ed, I don't think I've ever enjoyed a race this much.
Cool stuff.  Glad you could take something positive from the race.  

Regarding stuff that went wrong, what running pack do you use?  I use a Salomon ADV Skin 12 and while poles don't fit inside it, it does have straps/ties for carrying them.  And the best part of it is that it doesn't slip/slide on me at all (who knows if that changes after 50K) so no chafing/blisters.  It's like it gives me a hug the whole race.

 
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Looks like you had a good night last night and will be in a good place for the weekend @gruecd

Thanks for the post above @BassNBrew, lots to take away. 

I ducked into the gym this morn just before a 6:45 summer super storm busted out and shook the place. Maybe I’ll have a cool morn tomorrow in the aftermath. 😎

 
@BassNBrew, thanks for posting this.  I have so much to learn about ultras, your experience will help me prepare immensely.

Cool stuff.  Glad you could take something positive from the race.  

Regarding stuff that went wrong, what running pack do you use?  I use a Salomon ADV Skin 12 and while poles don't fit inside it, it does have straps/ties for carrying them.  And the best part of it is that it doesn't slip/slide on me at all (who knows if that changes after 50K) so no chafing/blisters.  It's like it gives me a hug the whole race.
Sweet pack. Makes me want to run far-er. 

 
@BassNBrew, thanks for posting this.  I have so much to learn about ultras, your experience will help me prepare immensely.

Cool stuff.  Glad you could take something positive from the race.  

Regarding stuff that went wrong, what running pack do you use?  I use a Salomon ADV Skin 12 and while poles don't fit inside it, it does have straps/ties for carrying them.  And the best part of it is that it doesn't slip/slide on me at all (who knows if that changes after 50K) so no chafing/blisters.  It's like it gives me a hug the whole race.
This one https://www.salomon.com/en-us/shop/product/agile-6-set.html#1191=13197&1372=5191

The top "strap" for the pole on mine originates from inside the pack.  It looks like the outside on this one.

It's also probably a little small as those front two pockets sit up on my shoulders mores than on my chest.

 
Running the Big Mountain Trail Race tomorrow.  6.3km (3.9mi) and 630m (2,067ft) in gain.  

Not sure how to set goals.  I think 50th percentile is fair/doable.  But in terms of a time goal, I'm not sure.  I have done the same elevation with half the distance in 46 minutes (just last weekend).  But my strength is power hiking steep uphills and not running moderate uphills.  Given the grade (~10%), and winning times, it will call for a lot of running uphill.

Winner last year was 40:54.  Strava CR is 37:03.  

Last year a 14-year-old ran it in 48:24.  But there's also a guy on Strava who ran it in 46:39 and his 5K PR is sub-19m.  I probably couldn't run 5,000ft in sub-19...

So I typed all of that to basically say I have no idea what to shoot for.  I'll stick with 50th percentile (65:40 last year) as the core goal and sub-60:00 as the bonus goal.

 
@BassNBrew, thanks for posting this.  I have so much to learn about ultras, your experience will help me prepare immensely.

Cool stuff.  Glad you could take something positive from the race.  

Regarding stuff that went wrong, what running pack do you use?  I use a Salomon ADV Skin 12 and while poles don't fit inside it, it does have straps/ties for carrying them.  And the best part of it is that it doesn't slip/slide on me at all (who knows if that changes after 50K) so no chafing/blisters.  It's like it gives me a hug the whole race.
I looked at the one you posted.  have you run with the poles attached like this?  I would be concerned that they might bounce when attached horizontally versus vertically.  At least you don't have to be concerned about shishkabobbing yourself on a fall with the horizontal mount.

 
I looked at the one you posted.  have you run with the poles attached like this?  I would be concerned that they might bounce when attached horizontally versus vertically.  At least you don't have to be concerned about shishkabobbing yourself on a fall with the horizontal mount.
I haven't, but I'll give it a go next time I'm out with the pack and report back.  I've put stuff in the pack, had water and bear spray in the chest pockets, and nothing bounces yet.

 
Running the Big Mountain Trail Race tomorrow.  6.3km (3.9mi) and 630m (2,067ft) in gain.  

Not sure how to set goals.  I think 50th percentile is fair/doable.  But in terms of a time goal, I'm not sure.  I have done the same elevation with half the distance in 46 minutes (just last weekend).  But my strength is power hiking steep uphills and not running moderate uphills.  Given the grade (~10%), and winning times, it will call for a lot of running uphill.

Winner last year was 40:54.  Strava CR is 37:03.  

Last year a 14-year-old ran it in 48:24.  But there's also a guy on Strava who ran it in 46:39 and his 5K PR is sub-19m.  I probably couldn't run 5,000ft in sub-19...

So I typed all of that to basically say I have no idea what to shoot for.  I'll stick with 50th percentile (65:40 last year) as the core goal and sub-60:00 as the bonus goal.
By my secret formula I have you at 56:18.

Good luck, that's a beast of a climb.

 
Running the Big Mountain Trail Race tomorrow.  6.3km (3.9mi) and 630m (2,067ft) in gain.  

Not sure how to set goals.  I think 50th percentile is fair/doable.  But in terms of a time goal, I'm not sure.  I have done the same elevation with half the distance in 46 minutes (just last weekend).  But my strength is power hiking steep uphills and not running moderate uphills.  Given the grade (~10%), and winning times, it will call for a lot of running uphill.

Winner last year was 40:54.  Strava CR is 37:03.  

Last year a 14-year-old ran it in 48:24.  But there's also a guy on Strava who ran it in 46:39 and his 5K PR is sub-19m.  I probably couldn't run 5,000ft in sub-19...

So I typed all of that to basically say I have no idea what to shoot for.  I'll stick with 50th percentile (65:40 last year) as the core goal and sub-60:00 as the bonus goal.
Run fast. Don't be a poooooosay.

 
@ChiefD I just signed up for the Fort Ben HM on Oct 5th. Doing it as part of my training for the Monumental but also want to push myself during it. Any advice on how I should approach it?

 
Not sure if @SteveC702 ever frequents these parts anymore, but his Strava page lists the 2020 Tokyo Olympic marathon as a goal. Hope like hell he gets in this time. It was both breathtaking and agonizing following his dream/races to try and qualify for the last Olympics. 

Here's to him getting in this time. Good luck.  :headbang:

 
Doing some shopping cart fishing to see if I get any discounts emailed my way before ordering a couple more pairs. #multitasking

 
Did something in the middle.

Ran the course pre-race as a warmup, and it was pretty obvious it wasn't a PR course. Two big hills (one gravel), a sand section, and lots of turns. So I followed my coach's original plan and ran at maybe 80% effort, felt tempo-ish. Ended up averaging 6:26 pace and passing a guy in the last quarter-mile to take 3rd place.

More impressively, my non-runner wife went sub-28 after literally not having put on a pair of running shoes in months.
Well la-di-da I just decided I'll go out and just zippidy-do-da my way around the course for fun and just average a pace faster than most people's best 5k while running at 80% and oh, by the way happen to crush a dude's dreams in the last little bit and take 3rd....

 
Well la-di-da I just decided I'll go out and just zippidy-do-da my way around the course for fun and just average a pace faster than most people's best 5k while running at 80% and oh, by the way happen to crush a dude's dreams in the last little bit and take 3rd....
You missed his 5k warmup of the course that he did 45 minutes before the race start at my 5K PR pace in the above.   You also failed to mention that absolutely brutal heat he had to endure.

Please amend.

 
Well la-di-da I just decided I'll go out and just zippidy-do-da my way around the course for fun and just average a pace faster than most people's best 5k while running at 80% and oh, by the way happen to crush a dude's dreams in the last little bit and take 3rd....
There it is. 

 
You missed his 5k warmup of the course that he did 45 minutes before the race start at my 5K PR pace in the above.   You also failed to mention that absolutely brutal heat he had to endure.

Please amend.
Well la-di-da I'll just pop in here and criticize a man's shtick which is a big no-no but I'll just add my shtick on top of his shtick and before you know it we just have a big pile of steaming hot shtick

 
I saw six wild turkeys this morning on my run.  That's probably uninteresting to most of you but kind of exciting for me.  I've lived in the Chicago suburbs since 1983 and these were the first I've ever seen in these parts.  I took a picture to upload to Strava but, alas, my Garmin isn't uploading my run due to technical difficulties.

 
I saw six wild turkeys this morning on my run.  That's probably uninteresting to most of you but kind of exciting for me.  I've lived in the Chicago suburbs since 1983 and these were the first I've ever seen in these parts.  I took a picture to upload to Strava but, alas, my Garmin isn't uploading my run due to technical difficulties.
Then it didn't happen.  Do it again.

 
I saw six wild turkeys this morning on my run.  That's probably uninteresting to most of you but kind of exciting for me.  I've lived in the Chicago suburbs since 1983 and these were the first I've ever seen in these parts.  I took a picture to upload to Strava but, alas, my Garmin isn't uploading my run due to technical difficulties.
That's cool.

I've seen all kinds of stuff in my neighborhood. Just last weekend I saw a fox just hanging out next to a building. A couple of years ago there was a large coyote in front of the library. And last summer there was a deer in my backyard.  

Need the owls to come back. The ground squirrels are multiplying again. 

 
That's cool.

I've seen all kinds of stuff in my neighborhood. Just last weekend I saw a fox just hanging out next to a building. A couple of years ago there was a large coyote in front of the library. And last summer there was a deer in my backyard.  

Need the owls to come back. The ground squirrels are multiplying again. 
We have the same in our neighborhood.  One person on Nextdoor even reported seeing a gorilla in the vicinity in the past.  Crazy the stuff you see around here.

 
That's cool.

I've seen all kinds of stuff in my neighborhood. Just last weekend I saw a fox just hanging out next to a building. A couple of years ago there was a large coyote in front of the library. And last summer there was a deer in my backyard.  

Need the owls to come back. The ground squirrels are multiplying again. 
I'm still waiting to see a fox.  I know they are around but not too common.  I used to never see coyotes while running but when I started running more around dawn and expanded my range I now see them occasionally.  If I go by forest preserves I'll see deer but never in the neighborhoods.

 
I'm still waiting to see a fox.  I know they are around but not too common.  I used to never see coyotes while running but when I started running more around dawn and expanded my range I now see them occasionally.  If I go by forest preserves I'll see deer but never in the neighborhoods.
Right in front of the bedroom you slept in, Juxt -- And notice Shelby on the left in the picture who didn't even realize there was a deer out there.

Outside the other window in the bedroom you slept in, Juxt

My street -- in front of the house next door

The house across from mine as seen from my car as I was leaving for work one night.

 
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That's cool.

I've seen all kinds of stuff in my neighborhood. Just last weekend I saw a fox just hanging out next to a building. A couple of years ago there was a large coyote in front of the library. And last summer there was a deer in my backyard.  

Need the owls to come back. The ground squirrels are multiplying again. 
In over ten years of trail running here in Marin I had never seen a fox.  Then I saw two in a span of about 10 days last month.

I chased a bobcat up the trail for about 45 seconds a couple of weeks back.  They're pretty common here but that was rare to see one for that long, usually they disappear into the brush pretty quickly but this one just kept on moving up the trail until he finally darted off to the side.  

I surprised a coyote awhile back, came around a corner and he was right there about 10 feet off the trail and jumped up and took off. I think I jumped up, too. Some of them are super un-afraid, I've had them just stand in the middle of a fire road and have to start waving my arms around and yelling to get them to move.  I think there are so many bobcats and coyotes around because there are lots of rabbits and turkeys for them to munch on.  

I posted a few pics recently on Strava, but there are two "families" of deer living on the hill around the trail I run up and down several days a week, a group of 4 and another group of 6.  Pretty cool.

Watch out for those turkeys, Juxt.  The males can be mean if you end up between them and their hens.

 
@SFBayDuck Been meaning to get back to you on this, just busy catching up at work.  Not sure if I'll do a full race report because of time commitments.  I'll toss out some general thoughts for now.

Things I learned:
Thanks gb, appreciate you putting the thought and time into this, some good lessons in there.  The "little" things like being sure your gear set-up works can be so huge when you're going to be out there for 30 hours, as that stuff can at best be an annoyance for hours and at worst end your race.  

You know this, but blown quads and GI distress are the two biggest reasons for DNFs, and since you have an iron gut just make sure you address those quads. Keep in mind for next time (because there will be a next time) that it doesn't take much downhill work to really get the protective effect you need.  Jason Koop has a great article on it, but the important thing to keep in mind is you only need one or two sessions to see huge improvements.  From the article, "The effect is so strong that one bout of eccentric training can have a protective effect of subsequent bouts performed weeks later. The aptly term coined for this effect is the ‘repeated effect’, meaning a single bout is enough to provide a lasting protective effect."  He also mentions you will need 1-2 days of easy running afterward, but it's worth it.   I've also seen research that indicates the protective effect lasts for quite some time as well, so you can (and should) be doing downhill work 30-45 days out from the race.  

The weight/body comp thing is my biggest issue, too.  My body just wants to be 195-200, but it needs to be 175-180 for my best chance to be succesful on race day.  I know that the key is getting down to at least close to race weight early in the cycle, but I've struggled to be able to do that.  Carrying all that extra weight not only screws your running economy by diminishing your weight/power ratio, it absolutely makes running in the heat tougher.  Double whammy.

4. Other that the impending doomed that I was ####ed, I don't think I've ever enjoyed a race this much.
Well that rules.  That's how I know there's going to be a next time.

 
Did something in the middle.

Ran the course pre-race as a warmup, and it was pretty obvious it wasn't a PR course. Two big hills (one gravel), a sand section, and lots of turns. So I followed my coach's original plan and ran at maybe 80% effort, felt tempo-ish. Ended up averaging 6:26 pace and passing a guy in the last quarter-mile to take 3rd place.

More impressively, my non-runner wife went sub-28 after literally not having put on a pair of running shoes in months.
:pickle:  and  :pickle:

 
Duck...I was giving serious consideration to flying out to SLC to pace you, but quite honestly I don't want to be the first FBG pacer dropped by a BMF'er who's run 80 miles already about 5 miles into the run.  I can see it now...I would have finished Wasatch but I had to help my pacer limp to an aid station after 5 miles and ####ed my race.  Maybe sometime we can find a flat 100 to run together, but I suspect you are going to go places in this sport and I'll crew you one day after I retire.  
Well I'm glad you didn't start making any plans, as I don't think I'm going out to SLC either.  

I referenced it in an earlier post, but life is getting in the way a bit lately with my new job and the pup's continued inability to run.  It's just squeezed me for time.  I'm still managing to get in some ok training and have had some good, specific long efforts the past few weekends, but I'm not getting in the consistency I need.  I also am not doing the other things I need to be doing to be successful - my diet sucks so my weight is way too high, I'm not rolling/stretching as much as I should be, that kind of stuff. 

100 mile training is hard and your reason for doing it, your "Why?" has to be rock solid.  And race day is even harder, and without that "Why?", you're screwed.  Especially on a course like Wasatch, which would be tougher than anything I've done.  I've realized the past couple of weeks that is what's missing -  I just don't have a strong enough "Why?" for this race.  I'm not sure why that is.  Maybe it's Hardrock being cancelled and the odds of me ever getting in while I could still possibly finish continuing to move towards zero.  Maybe I'm simply satisfied with two 50Ks and both 100K and 100M PRs under my belt already this year.  It's so much more fun as an "experience" to have crew/pacer along for the ride than doing these solo, maybe that's part of it.  Maybe, as @ChiefD would say, I'm just being a big poooosay.  

So I haven't cancelled my hotel or even told my family about this yet, but I'm pretty sure I'm pulling the plug on Wasatch.  I'm not sure what I'll do the rest of the year.  I did sign up last night for the Quad Dipsea in November, part of my goal of running all of the local classics before possibly moving back up to Oregon in a couple of years.  I'd love to get up to the Tahoe 200 to crew/pace someone, but I'm not sure that works in the family schedule.  And I'll probably do a local 50K or two before the end of the year, and want to volunteer at least once as well.  Maybe I'll give in to @gianmarco and run a road 5K.  Or maybe I'll just not worry about and just get out and have fun on the trails until I find my next big "Why?".

 
Well la di da I'm so awesome I have a 30 to a million minute buffer to qualify for Boston while the rest of you schlubs are out there qualifying with only mere minutes to spare yet you still get in and for all the rest of you slowpokes I'd be glad to donate some of my buffer so I could run with you all in Bean Town.


ChiefD said:
Run fast. Don't be a pooosay.


Run fast. Don't be a pooooosay. 


Well la-di-da I just decided I'll go out and just zippidy-do-da my way around the course for fun and just average a pace faster than most people's best 5k while running at 80% and oh, by the way happen to crush a dude's dreams in the last little bit and take 3rd....


Well la-di-da I'll just pop in here and criticize a man's shtick which is a big no-no but I'll just add my shtick on top of his shtick and before you know it we just have a big pile of steaming hot shtick
Not sure when exactly the torch was passed but if @ChiefD isn't the official spokesperson for the group you guys are doing it wrong.

 
Just figured out the biggest reason for last weekends fail. Found a fresh unopened 32 oz bottle of beet juice on my back floor board that should have been consumed. 

 

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