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Ran a 10k - Official Thread (3 Viewers)

Not really sure how aggressive to be with my goal pace.
Originally threw a number out there just to throw one but was actually thinking about this some. Given this is a trail race, a lot probably depends on a few factors, starting with needing more info about what the trail is like. Namely, how wide is the trail and how many people are likely to be in the race? If it's a narrow trail and/or there are a lot of people in it, your options may be more limited than if it is wide and/or sparsely populated. Also, depending on the nature of the trail, weather could be a huge factor - will rain make it slick/muddy/etc? 

Overall, looking at some of your other runs on/around that area, I think 55:49 is really possible for you if the above stuff isn't any significant issue - that's 8:59/mile. Going more on effort and HR probably wiser but personally having some time and pace in mind before I start is a huge mental help. That might seem like a huge jump if  you thought your goal was 9:40 or something but I really think you have that in you if you want to go for it. But it's easy for me to say if I'm not the one doing it!

 
@JShare87 you did 16 and 11 twice in comparable conditions in the 10 days before the race. Compare that with the two runs you did 10/9 and 10/12 when your legs were just on 23 miles 10/1-10/8. The conditions would have effected you regardless, but I think the warning sign you saw early in the race was more than just pre-race nerves/little sleep. You probably just weren't sufficiently tapered. That's an impressive output given all those circumstances.

 
As for the race, not much to say. I went out at what should’ve been an easy pace, but my breathing and HR said otherwise. I didn’t really look at my watch the entire race. Ran completely on effort and gave it all I had. When I saw my time at the line, I have to admit I was pretty embarrassed. I realize it’s a “fast” time for many, and I mean no disrespect, but I can run 7:15, even in those conditions, fairly easy.
On the bolded... anyone that takes offense is doing it wrong. While this is a sport and, as such, there is a certain competitive aspect to it, so much of this sport is a personal battle. One man's PR smashing effort is another man's jog through the park. You were 3 minutes faster than my HM a few weeks ago, and that would have been a ridiculous effort for me in those conditions, but doesn't mean I can't empathize with your feelings for this run. With a little time behind you, I hope you will appreciate the effort you put in even if it wasn't what you had in mind. You will smash the next one, IMO. 

 
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And that's a wrap!  My final hard run for Indianapolis is done.  12 miles with 10 at 7:05/mile pace.  (My marathon PR is 7:26/mile pace).

Admittedly, I'm already thinking of whether I want to do a 6x1 mile interval workout.  After today's workout, that seems easy. 

I'll have to see how I feel to decide if I'm actually going to do it.

Things are coming together and need to pull the Nike Vaporflys out soon for the trip to Indy. 

 
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Outside my first marathon, this was my most painful/difficult race. I wanted to quit at mile 5. I wanted to and almost did puke at mile 7. But, I stuck with it and gutted it out. As embarrassed as I was about the time, I was extremely proud of my effort. 

With all that being said, I think I may be done with racing for a long time (other than the marathon distance). I work so hard everyday but just cannot preform in a race. I am not the best person leading up to races. I overthink everything about them. I was in a good place with running, and I will not let this change that. Thanks for all the well wishes and compliments. 
First  and foremost, this is a pretty big deal in my eyes. You finished the race.

That's the thing about running - it exposes the good, the bad, and the ugly in all of us. With all that time alone out there, we learn the best of ourselves but we also know the worst of ourselves is out there lurking. All the time.

But the beauty of it is there is a lot of "our best". And those are the moments that have to take precedent over the bad and the ugly (even though as competitors we all remember the bad and the ugly).

And as a guy on the outside looking in at you, you have had so many "goods". You've completely changed your lifestyle. You've lost a ton of weight. You have amazing running talent. And one of these days you'll figure out the other stuff.

But for now, you've conquered the one thing that make your situation a HUGE win - you've changed your life.  :thumbup:

 
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Starting your taper now, right?

Be ready to feel fat and lethargic.  Its normal.
Yes. And thanks. Kind of do already - 13 on Saturday in miserable conditions sucked. Looking at the calendar/chart and seeing how few miles it has on there to do the next couple weeks seems "wrong". It's already feeling like a long wait... just ready to go do it. 

Still 12 days away but long range forecast currently says 49/37 with showers. Hopefully the temp stays about the same but the rain stays away.

 
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Ran completely on effort and gave it all I had.
This is obvious from your Strava data, you're a bad man.  I have crashed and burned many half marathons in much easier conditions than you experienced Saturday.  We all know you are faster than this race, but I don't see how you could have run any faster in those conditions.

 
Yesterday's run felt nice with some good weather.  A couple days earlier was a solid 5 mile MAF run under 10:30 pace with every mile HR at 137 or under.  Part of that is due to being pretty flat and part of that due to the weather, but it was still a better time than I've ever seen at that HR, especially after 5 miles when I typically drift upward whereas the HR stayed pretty steady. 

Down to 191 pounds.  For those of you that were here a little over 4 months ago for the relay in June, that's about 15 pounds less than when you saw me.  I think I can get another 5-10 off and I'll be feeling great.  Starting back with some weight lifting which I stopped for MAF training (looking at you @gruecd) and overall in a great spot.  Just got to get used to cold weather running again but so far the cooler temps have been welcome.

 
This is obvious from your Strava data, you're a bad man.  I have crashed and burned many half marathons in much easier conditions than you experienced Saturday.  We all know you are faster than this race, but I don't see how you could have run any faster in those conditions.
Up to a 168 HR a mile in then basically hovered in the 170's from mile 3 til the final half mile. When he went into the 180's. Jaw-dropping.

 
Up to a 168 HR a mile in then basically hovered in the 170's from mile 3 til the final half mile. When he went into the 180's. Jaw-dropping.
Right...and his runs are typically in the 150's when he's running faster.  That was a helluva performance. 

 
Looking forward to getting back to it at my lovely 100 feet of elevation. Hiking was awesome the other day and I’ve averaged about 12 miles of walking on the Strip each day.  :lol:

 
My mileage isn't quite where I want it to be, but I'm still sticking with my slow and steady approach of building a base while I lose weight. Did 12 on Saturday at 8:53 pace which felt great - going sub-9 is a definite step forward for me.

After an easy first half where I just ran by feel, I pushed the tempo during miles 7-9, and averaged 8:25 during that stretch, then eased up the effort a little and still did about 8:35 pace for the last 3 miles.

In case anyone is interested, I did a little Twitter thread about my long run. Like all my long runs, I did it on the North Central Railroad Trail (a gravel rail trail) which is my favorite place in the world. I tried to capture a little of why here:

https://twitter.com/FoxForceFlacco/status/1188171668063166464

 
My mileage isn't quite where I want it to be, but I'm still sticking with my slow and steady approach of building a base while I lose weight. Did 12 on Saturday at 8:53 pace which felt great - going sub-9 is a definite step forward for me.

After an easy first half where I just ran by feel, I pushed the tempo during miles 7-9, and averaged 8:25 during that stretch, then eased up the effort a little and still did about 8:35 pace for the last 3 miles.

In case anyone is interested, I did a little Twitter thread about my long run. Like all my long runs, I did it on the North Central Railroad Trail (a gravel rail trail) which is my favorite place in the world. I tried to capture a little of why here:

https://twitter.com/FoxForceFlacco/status/1188171668063166464
Nice read, but it isn't on strava so it didn't happen.

 
Nice read, but it isn't on strava so it didn't happen.
Lol - I'm on the record here stating that my Garmin (which I bought while training for my first HM in Spring 2009) no longer synchs with Garmin Connect. Thinking I might pick up a new one for Christmas, but until then all my runs will remain imaginary.  

 
@JShare87, sorry about the struggles and frustrations.  Maybe think about traveling north for some cool weather racing, now that you’ve got some friends up this way. Make it a ‘runcation’ with your wife. Even if it’s a shorter race 10K or HM, it’d let you run in better temps and you’d get a nice trip in.
I hear Carmel, Indiana, is beautiful in the early spring...

 
My mileage isn't quite where I want it to be, but I'm still sticking with my slow and steady approach of building a base while I lose weight. Did 12 on Saturday at 8:53 pace which felt great - going sub-9 is a definite step forward for me.

After an easy first half where I just ran by feel, I pushed the tempo during miles 7-9, and averaged 8:25 during that stretch, then eased up the effort a little and still did about 8:35 pace for the last 3 miles.

In case anyone is interested, I did a little Twitter thread about my long run. Like all my long runs, I did it on the North Central Railroad Trail (a gravel rail trail) which is my favorite place in the world. I tried to capture a little of why here:

https://twitter.com/FoxForceFlacco/status/1188171668063166464
That's beautiful. If only it were real....

:GetStrava:

 
Thanks, everyone. I feel much better about my race yesterday because of your wisdom. You all are seriously the best. Love this place. 

 
It's called the Big Ben/Parliament half marathon run exclusively on one roundabout.

"I just can't get left...."
Reminds me also... my 13 miles on Saturday done in a miserable, cold rain was done on my @ChiefD route - the southern most point of the run is a roundabout in a neighborhood with one other one a just north of that that I did half a circle down and the other half back. Thinking of chief as I headed toward the circles might have been the only thing that kept me from cutting the run short and going home early!

 
Thanks, everyone. I feel much better about my race yesterday because of your wisdom. You all are seriously the best. Love this place. 
You really should.

And at the same time, I get the notion of not wanting to race. It's a hurdle for you and the whole "race day" thing often keeps you from doing what you are capable of. 

So the decision then is do you race anyway or forego and push yourself on your own runs. 

One thing to consider is to do a few smaller races just to work on and get over the race day HR and nerves stuff (which is serious). Conquer it. So when it matters you can perform like you know you can. 

But I would do that before you start traveling for weather. That may only lead to money spent that could end in disappointment until you get better at that stuff, thus making things worse. And I'd hate to see that for you, especially with all your talent. Race day needs to turn into something fun and know that the final time isn't a determination of your capabilities.

 
I probably mentioned this like 27 times, but the marathon is on my older daughter's birthday. Double countdown! My family keeps making fun of me about which I'm more excited for... 

:oldunsure:
Only one of them gives you that one true moment of happiness in life that every father knows...true love and joy (and may take all your money and knows how to stomp on your heart).

And then you have your daughter.

 
Race day needs to turn into something fun and know that the final time isn't a determination of your capabilities.
I hope this never changes for me, but race day is just fun stuff, IMO. There's something about toeing the line with a big group of people with the same common goal that just makes all this worth it. If/when I lose that, then this becomes too much like work and I fear I would just go back to being a lump on the couch. I can get excited for my own runs without it being "race day" at times, but it's the chase for a goal on race days that really keeps me going - at least so far. It's not just that, but I do get a ridiculous amount of fun out of that "target day" - even the ones recently I have had that didn't go quite the way I dreamed they would before the gun went off. 

 
My mileage isn't quite where I want it to be, but I'm still sticking with my slow and steady approach of building a base while I lose weight. Did 12 on Saturday at 8:53 pace which felt great - going sub-9 is a definite step forward for me.

After an easy first half where I just ran by feel, I pushed the tempo during miles 7-9, and averaged 8:25 during that stretch, then eased up the effort a little and still did about 8:35 pace for the last 3 miles.

In case anyone is interested, I did a little Twitter thread about my long run. Like all my long runs, I did it on the North Central Railroad Trail (a gravel rail trail) which is my favorite place in the world. I tried to capture a little of why here:

https://twitter.com/FoxForceFlacco/status/1188171668063166464
Awesome. Big fan of NCR trail, I’m nearer Annapolis so I don’t drive up to it enough. Need to. 

 
And that's a wrap!  My final hard run for Indianapolis is done.  12 miles with 10 at 7:05/mile pace.  (My marathon PR is 7:26/mile pace).

Admittedly, I'm already thinking of whether I want to do a 6x1 mile interval workout.  After today's workout, that seems easy. 

I'll have to see how I feel to decide if I'm actually going to do it.

Things are coming together and need to pull the Nike Vaporflys out soon for the trip to Indy. 
You're due for some luck with the weather on marathon day, and an opportunity for a significant PR.  I'm going with the half marathon version of the 6x1 tomorrow and then the 5 at HMP Thursday. One of these days I'm going have to race in something other than my Ghosts.

 
Originally threw a number out there just to throw one but was actually thinking about this some. Given this is a trail race, a lot probably depends on a few factors, starting with needing more info about what the trail is like. Namely, how wide is the trail and how many people are likely to be in the race? If it's a narrow trail and/or there are a lot of people in it, your options may be more limited than if it is wide and/or sparsely populated. Also, depending on the nature of the trail, weather could be a huge factor - will rain make it slick/muddy/etc? 

Overall, looking at some of your other runs on/around that area, I think 55:49 is really possible for you if the above stuff isn't any significant issue - that's 8:59/mile. Going more on effort and HR probably wiser but personally having some time and pace in mind before I start is a huge mental help. That might seem like a huge jump if  you thought your goal was 9:40 or something but I really think you have that in you if you want to go for it. But it's easy for me to say if I'm not the one doing it!
Thanks IG.  Here's my replies to your questions/comments:

  • Race - not many people but I don't know how many exactly.  It's called an Adventure Run so that gives some indication that it's not just a normal 10k, even a trail one
  • Trail - you are right that weather can play a huge factor - if rainy it could be messy in spots, in particular the shoreline that I already mentioned.  If it's raining then all bets may be off.  Additionally, the trail is fairly wide in spots and honestly with number of participants I'm expecting I don't see that being a problem except for the first half mile.
  • The goal I put in was just to break an hour - that comes from just lack of experience running races and the unknown of the course.  Now that I have basically run it I feel much more confident and definitely think that just breaking an hour will be a disappointment.
So, I think of revising to this:

  • A Goal - sub 8:30/mi. under 52:48
  • B Goal - sub 9:00/mi. under 55:55
I agree with you the B Goal is doable but I want to challenge myself some.  I actually in the back of my mind think that A goal is possible too based on runs I've had, I'm just really worried about getting caught up in the moment and starting out way too fast.

 
Thanks IG.  Here's my replies to your questions/comments:

  • Race - not many people but I don't know how many exactly.  It's called an Adventure Run so that gives some indication that it's not just a normal 10k, even a trail one
  • Trail - you are right that weather can play a huge factor - if rainy it could be messy in spots, in particular the shoreline that I already mentioned.  If it's raining then all bets may be off.  Additionally, the trail is fairly wide in spots and honestly with number of participants I'm expecting I don't see that being a problem except for the first half mile.
  • The goal I put in was just to break an hour - that comes from just lack of experience running races and the unknown of the course.  Now that I have basically run it I feel much more confident and definitely think that just breaking an hour will be a disappointment.
So, I think of revising to this:

  • A Goal - sub 8:30/mi. under 52:48
  • B Goal - sub 9:00/mi. under 55:55
I agree with you the B Goal is doable but I want to challenge myself some.  I actually in the back of my mind think that A goal is possible too based on runs I've had, I'm just really worried about getting caught up in the moment and starting out way too fast.
I totally think you have 8:30/mile in you. I came close to putting something like that down but didn't want to seem too crazy or anything! Totally looking forward to seeing how bad you crush this thing! Is there tracking for it? 

 
You're due for some luck with the weather on marathon day, and an opportunity for a significant PR.  I'm going with the half marathon version of the 6x1 tomorrow and then the 5 at HMP Thursday. One of these days I'm going have to race in something other than my Ghosts.
Thanks for the comment about the weather.  Its interesting as my first 3 or 4 marathons I had perfect weather and since then, its been a tough go weatherwise. 

That being said, I try not to complain about stuff I can't control.  Hopefully Indy the weather gods are kind and I can execute my race strategy. 

Your name came up our our dinner the other night with @Juxtatarot, @Brony, and @tri-man 47.  I said that you are the most consistent AM runner.  I see your runs just about every single morning.  Its awesome to see!  Your talent is undeniable and I am still confused as to why you haven't really crushed the HM distance like you want.  It will happen. 

 
I totally think you have 8:30/mile in you. I came close to putting something like that down but didn't want to seem too crazy or anything! Totally looking forward to seeing how bad you crush this thing! Is there tracking for it? 
Pretty sure no tracking.  I decided to do this on a whim after all the talk in here about racing and also to support the park where the race is being held.  I run there all the time now so when I saw it I decided I had to do it and also allowed me to do a race this year which I really hadn't planned on because of my knee.

Speaking of - there's days where my knee feels 100% again but then occasionally/frequently my body will remind me the issue is still there.  I think the running and squats I've been doing are strengthening it and helping to resolve whatever the problem was/is.  I'm really hopeful that assuming I don't aggravate it, I can spend some additional time this winter doing some strength training and feel 100% again.  Granted, that's just how the knee feels, I've never come close to this much running in my life.  I've done almost 600 miles this year and that is with all but 11 of those coming since May 11th (I had shut things down because of my knee from around Thanksgiving last year until May - on Strava at least).  I'd be well over 1,000 miles for the year if I had been healthy so I'm completely in uncharted territory.  Part of me keeps saying I need a week off and right now I'm planning to do that during Thanksgiving week - but I feel fantastic most of the time (save the day after my long runs).

Sorry for the tangent but I say all that to say I want to race this hard but smart - it's a fun run essentially, no pressure, no expectations and to me the most important part will be have fun and be healthy at the end.  But I'm trying to balance that with pushing myself.

 
Thanks IG.  Here's my replies to your questions/comments:

  • Race - not many people but I don't know how many exactly.  It's called an Adventure Run so that gives some indication that it's not just a normal 10k, even a trail one
  • Trail - you are right that weather can play a huge factor - if rainy it could be messy in spots, in particular the shoreline that I already mentioned.  If it's raining then all bets may be off.  Additionally, the trail is fairly wide in spots and honestly with number of participants I'm expecting I don't see that being a problem except for the first half mile.
  • The goal I put in was just to break an hour - that comes from just lack of experience running races and the unknown of the course.  Now that I have basically run it I feel much more confident and definitely think that just breaking an hour will be a disappointment.
So, I think of revising to this:

  • A Goal - sub 8:30/mi. under 52:48
  • B Goal - sub 9:00/mi. under 55:55
I agree with you the B Goal is doable but I want to challenge myself some.  I actually in the back of my mind think that A goal is possible too based on runs I've had, I'm just really worried about getting caught up in the moment and starting out way too fast.
Be sure to get out to a fast start so you stay out of traffic.  It's critical that you don't get caught behind 9:30 to 10:00 guys starting at a 8:00 pace.  We call it "Sanding" the start.  

 
SteelCurtain said:
Thanks for the comment about the weather.  Its interesting as my first 3 or 4 marathons I had perfect weather and since then, its been a tough go weatherwise. 

That being said, I try not to complain about stuff I can't control.  Hopefully Indy the weather gods are kind and I can execute my race strategy. 

Your name came up our our dinner the other night with @Juxtatarot, @Brony, and @tri-man 47.  I said that you are the most consistent AM runner.  I see your runs just about every single morning.  Its awesome to see!  Your talent is undeniable and I am still confused as to why you haven't really crushed the HM distance like you want.  It will happen. 
In 13 days it will happen. 

 
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Pretty sure no tracking.  I decided to do this on a whim after all the talk in here about racing and also to support the park where the race is being held.  I run there all the time now so when I saw it I decided I had to do it and also allowed me to do a race this year which I really hadn't planned on because of my knee.

Speaking of - there's days where my knee feels 100% again but then occasionally/frequently my body will remind me the issue is still there.  I think the running and squats I've been doing are strengthening it and helping to resolve whatever the problem was/is.  I'm really hopeful that assuming I don't aggravate it, I can spend some additional time this winter doing some strength training and feel 100% again.  Granted, that's just how the knee feels, I've never come close to this much running in my life.  I've done almost 600 miles this year and that is with all but 11 of those coming since May 11th (I had shut things down because of my knee from around Thanksgiving last year until May - on Strava at least).  I'd be well over 1,000 miles for the year if I had been healthy so I'm completely in uncharted territory.  Part of me keeps saying I need a week off and right now I'm planning to do that during Thanksgiving week - but I feel fantastic most of the time (save the day after my long runs).

Sorry for the tangent but I say all that to say I want to race this hard but smart - it's a fun run essentially, no pressure, no expectations and to me the most important part will be have fun and be healthy at the end.  But I'm trying to balance that with pushing myself.
Trail is tough to gauge time/pace especially when you fill it with racers of various levels. Your last sentence is the key, push yourself throughout the race and you’ll have a great day.  

 
Back home from a nice weekend in KC, highlighted by a nice afternoon yesterday with @ChiefD and his uncle tailgating at Arrowhead and capped by another Packers victory!

Stuck to mostly light beers for the weekend, so I woke up this morning none too worse for the wear. Knocked out a quick 7-miler on a nice crushed limestone trail close to my hotel, got a good, healthy breakfast (regrettably skipping the local BBQ joint), and caught my flight home.

I won't step on the scale again before the race...not worth it. Not a ton of running left either. I'll do 3 x 2 miles at MP on Wednesday and an easy 10-miler on Saturday, but other than that just a bunch of little filler runs.

 
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Marine Corps Marathon Race Report

3:28:27 …PR by 32 seconds

7:58/mi pace (7:54/mi based on actual’ish 26.4 miles?)

3rd of 446 in AG …517 of 18,513 overall (top 2.8%) and 418 of 10,014 male (top 4.2%)

Training: As noted, it was a tremendous, injury-free training cycle - hills, intervals, tempo, quality long runs.  I did worry about having overexerted myself on a 5K a week ago.

Friday: I flew in Friday afternoon and went straight to the expo, which was at a big hotel complex outside of DC.  Expo was non-eventful.  I just got my stuff, bought a new running cap hat, and headed back to my hotel.  As I checked in, I saw that they were offering rides over to the race site.  Sweet!  I got the last slot for a 6:10 am shuttle (only a 10 minute drive), but later started to question if that was too early for the 7:55 am race (hint: definitely not).  The hotel had an “order in” menu, so got some spaghetti and meatballs with garlic bread.  While waiting for the food, I walked to a local CVS and picked up a bottle of wine.

Saturday: I ate a big breakfast at the hotel, relaxed for a couple of hours, then went for a shakeout run, having not run on Thu/Fri to rest some slightly sore knees.  The run ended up at about 4 miles and it felt good.  It included a stop by the Marine Corps Memorial, which is right near the finish line of the race.  While at the Memorial, a large group of vets from Colorado were there taking pictures.  I learned that one of the old vets in the group was actually on the beach at Iwo Jima while the flag was being raised!  Also, his granddaughter is now a Marine, and she surprised him by meeting the group.  Awesome stuff.  Before heading back, since I was right near an entrance to the cemetery, I decided to go in (walking, not running, around).  Visited the JFK site and the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, which included a changing of the guard.  I began to worry about being on my feet too much.

Saturday afternoon was a reception for The Elk Institute, hosted by a Republican Congressman (Neal Dunn) from Florida.  The small reception was wonderful.  I got to meet Carrie Elk () as well as a few featured veterans.   They gave a gift to the top two fundraisers of the much smaller than planned fundraising team.  The minimum goal had been set at $600.  The #2 fundraiser raised $1,410.  I was the #1 fundraiser ..at $2,670.  Sadly, the other nine did very little.  My ( - our- ) total exceed the other nine combined.  The gift I received was a limited edition bottle of bourbon, ‘Horse Soldier,’ presented to me by CWO Bob Pennington.  He was the one in the film 12 Strong, and he now produces some bourbon.   The plate used to form the label for the bottle was made from metal taken from the World Trade Center.  Yeah …very cool stuff.   But again, I was worrying about time-on-feet.  We had food at the reception, so I relaxed in the hotel watching Michigan-ND (Go Blue!) and the World Series.

Sunday morning: I had a good six hours of sleep, getting up at 4:45 am.  Had a bagel with peanut butter, and stored a banana in my bag for an hour later.  Took care of business, then took some Imodium to be safe. Packed up a bag for after the race, though in hindsight, that wasn’t necessary, other than my room key and my Metro card.  The hotel shuttle dropped us near the Pentagon Metro stop, and the journey began.

So the weather was just a mess.  We were caught in the perfectly terrible timing of an overnight/through-the-morning deluge (“torrential,” as the local news said).  As we exited the bus and joined the masses for the long (1/2 mile+) walk to the staging area, the rain came down hard.  As most others, I had myself covered (long black garbage bag).  However, over the course of the pre-race, my feet were unavoidably soaked.  I caught a porta-potty along the way to clear out my system one last time, and I had no issues through the rest of the day.

Upon arriving at the staging area at a little before 7 am (comfortable timing), I screwed things up big time.  To avoid the heavy, wind-driven rain, I sought shelter in a big tent being used for morning religious services.  I’m sure most people were in the crowded tent only to escape the rain, though many might have been praying for the rain to end.  Their prayers went unanswered.  I found a sliver of space and sat down for ten minutes to relax and chill.  However, I soon needed to pee, so I headed to the staging areas porta-potties and the incredibly long lines.    I couldn’t just skip the portos as I still needed to change into my Vaporflys but needed to pee first .  I finally got to the front of the line at 7:30 am.  But then I had to rush back to the tent to change shoes (in a crowded space and wet ground) and then drop my bag with the UPS trucks.  Oops!  Long lines there, too.  #$@)$(%  I got my bag dropped off at 7:50 am …but was about a half-mile from the starting line.  I took off.  Needing one last pee, I saw lots of guys standing along the roadway behind the trucks, and I joined them.  Why didn’t I just do that thirty minutes ago?!?  Anyway, I needed to scoot to get positioned properly for the crowded start to a big race.  I cut into the corral area, but got stopped up too far back.  Like others, I climbed the barrier, ran fast on the grass along the road, and cut into the corral around the 3:15-3:30 crowd just as the race started.  Not ideal at all.  Plus, in all the rushing, I hit a lot of water and my feet were now already soaked.  They would stay that way for the next 3 ½ hours.  I also didn’t identify the pacing groups as a benchmark.  Lotta stupid in all my prerace, race site logistics.

I viewed the race as having six segments with some transitions between them.  But two notes before going into the race detail: First, my watch was clearly off on mile 2 as it beeped a 2 mile point well before the official mile mark.  I attribute this to a corridor of tall buildings and a lot of runners tracking time.  I believe the same issue occurred for miles 23 and 24 (in Crystal City).  I’ve adjusted the times for those three miles to give a more realistic portrayal of where I was at.  Second, I didn’t run the 27.04 miles my Garmin showed.  Some is probably tied to the above (half a mile or more of poor readings?) but the rest can be attributed to the difficulty of running tangents in a big race (2/10ths?).  I actually did end up running tangents quite well while most runners ignored them.   But I probably did run 26.4 miles.

Segment 1, the hill: miles 1-5

The hassle of big races.  The first mile+ was a lot of weaving through traffic.  Mile1 showed 8:03, which is about what I anticipated, given a crowded start, so that was good.  The rain was moderate at this point and would stay that way until about mile 12, though puddles were everywhere  (and the damage was already done).   I did come across a man running barefoot – probably the smart move for the day.  Mile 2, as mentioned, was off on my Garmin, and it messed with my mind for a while.  Given the 5K split, this was probably 8:15 as we moved uphill.  I was aware my legs didn’t feel very good, though my breathing was easy.  Mile 3 was an 8:11 pace, as we finished the uphill and started back down.  Early in this mile, the 3:30 pace group passed me.  Dammit.  I wanted a 3:2x, and here I was with blah legs and the 3:30 crowd moving past me.   I decided to just go with the flow and wait for segment two.  Mile 4 was mostly downhill, so the 7:21 pace (and a bit of effort to hang behind the 3:30s) reflects that.  Mile 5 (7:53) crossed a bridge and headed into Georgetown for a bit (and quite a number of turns).  I kept an eye out for @bushdocda, but anticipated he was smart enough not to come out in the rain.

Segment 2, the parkway: miles 6-11

I was very much looking forward to this segment as it rolled along with few opportunities for crowd support.  In general, I much preferred these quiet miles (also 11-15; 20-21) where I could just run and feel/hear the rhythm of the race.  Boisterous crowds did nothing for me.  (But a great sign in mile 5: “What do you call a group of unicorns?”).  In mile 6 I knew it was time to BMF.  If I was going to run sub-3:30, I needed to be in front of that pace group.  So off I went for the start of a glorious stretch of miles.  I’ll admit to wondering if I could sustain the pace, yet it felt comfortable and I really enjoyed the next 12 miles or so.  Mile 6 (7:19), mile 7 (7:32), mile 8 (7:41), mile 9 (7:31) mile 10 (7:26), and then mile 11 (7:31) as we exited the parkway and cut behind the Lincoln Memorial.     HR moved into the 160s midway through this stretch, which is earlier than desirable, but I let it flow.  Mile 10 was dedicated to the grandfather of a student of mine, whom he called “papa.”  But as I repeated “papa,”  I also had great thoughts of my own grandsons.  This was good.  Around mile 10, as tends to happen in marathons, I fell in stride with another runner, Damien, a 35-year-old from the D.C. area who had a similar goal as mine.  We ended up running almost eight miles together ..some chatting, some checking paces, generally supporting each other.

Segment 3, the peninsula: miles 12-17

This segment was on a thin peninsula south of the Jefferson Memorial and then a cut-back toward the Lincoln Memorial before reversing course and heading to the National Mall.  Once again, it rather isolated.  We did get hit with winds quite hard on the first half of this stretch.  Mile 13 is the Blue Mile that honors those who have passed away, and this was my primary dedication during the race (brother of the co-pastor at my church; he was a fighter pilot who died in a civilian accident three years ago).  Toward the end of the mile is a couple hundred yards lined with volunteers on both sides holding large American flags.  This was an emotional moment.  It was also a very wet moment: I’d removed my hat for this mile, and just as we arrived at the gauntlet of flags, the drenching rains began again and stayed with us for several miles.  Around mile 14, the road was essentially flooded with a few inches of water for 10-15 yards.  But the miles stayed strong: Mile 12 (7:35), mile 13 (7:49), mile 14 (7:52), mile 15 (7:39), mile 16 (7:44), and mile (7:41). 

Segment 4, the National Mall: miles 18-20

In good weather, this would be awesome as the course passes close to the Washington Monument, up to the Capitol Building, and back again.  In our weather, it was just wet, sloppy miles in the back half of the marathon.  The water was flooding down the sidewalks and into the streets at the intersections, so the feet kept getting a fresh soaking.  Around mile 18, I saw the barefoot runner again, so I pushed to catch up and check his pace, knowing he’d started near me.  His time was about 6 seconds/mile slower, which confirmed my watch was off.  We made a pass right in front of the U.S. Capitol building …but I don’t remember even looking up.  It was not a day for sightseeing and I was very focused.  I was feeling the miles, now, but the pace was holding: Mile 18 (7:35), mile 19 (7:37), and mile 20 (7:51).  HR got into the 170s by mile 18, which is again earlier than desired.  It felt encouraging to know the remaining miles had dropped to single digits, then a 10K, etc.

Transition: miles 20-21

As we ducked behind the Jefferson Memorial, we moved onto a long bridge segment taking us back toward Crystal City, the Pentagon, and the finish in Arlington.  I’d heard that these are difficult, lonely miles with no crowd support.  But, again, I liked that.  Just run.  As happened steadily during much of the race, I was passing quite a few runners, a number of walkers, and the occasional leg-cramper dealing with the agony.  More and more, I was keeping an eye on my average pace (accurate or not) to see how long I could hold it steady before the likely creep upwards.  So far, so good, with mile 20 (7:51) and mile 21 (7:44).

Segment 5, Crystal City: miles 22-24

We looped back into an urban area, which I believe messed with my mileage and splits some more.  One table was offering Fireball shots; another was offering beer.  Both were tempting.  I thought the up-and-back here was again supposed to be hilly, but actually it wasn’t.  Just lots more water on the roads.  I was aware that I had lost the lift and reach of my stride, which was bound to slow my pace.  Using some estimates of true readings: Mile 22 (8:11), mile 23 (8:24?), and mile 24 (8:29?).  HR hit a high peak of 178 (yikes!) at mile 23.  It then slid lower as the limitation became legs, not lungs.

Segment 6, to the finish: miles 25, 26

Mile 25 moves away from the village and circles behind the race’s staging error before moving back onto the main road (where we’d started) for the straight push to the finish.  More lonely miles, but they actually clicked along at an OK pace.  Mile 25 (8:05) and mile 26 (8:15).  Several other runners were passing me, though.  Knowing I didn’t have any leg lift, I tried to focus on running on the balls of my feet so the Vaporflys could give me their natural boost.  Not sure if it worked at all, but these weren’t overly bad miles for the end of a tough marathon.  I don’t feel like I was strong enough mentally, though.  I think I was too mentally exhausted to roll out any of my mantras or use any of my other tricks of the trade.  It was more about putting one foot in front of the other and BMFing to the finish line.

Final push: 0.4 miles?

The finish turns off the main road, rises up a tough incline, then turns with a little more rise to the finish.  I started up the incline rather well, but near the top, my legs basically died.  I was almost laughing at the comical attempt to keep a running stride after the last turn.  I can usually push final slopes quite well, but the end of this race was getting toward the territory of an Ironman crawl.  Pace was 8:49/mi.  After crossing, two volunteers had to walk me along for 50 yards or so. 

Post-race

A rather long progression to get a medal, a towel, Gatorade, other goodies …then more walking to head to the post-race activities several hundred yards ahead.  I wasn’t feeling well.  I was going to sit down, but the legs declared their intention to cramp if I did.  A primary medical tent was ahead, and upon being asked, I said I could use some help, and therefore spent 15 minutes in the med tent.  A reasonable recovery led to more walking through the post-race activities to retrieve my bag, limp to the Metro, and head back to my hotel.

All-in-all, I’m very happy.  PRs are always great, and this one was very satisfying under the conditions.  I will wonder, though, how different it might have been if I wasn’t lugging all that water around in my shoes and socks.  I’m also not very pleased that my mind kind of drifted over the last handful of miles.  But then again, I was very happy with holding 16 miles in the middle at a 7:38/mi pace.  And really, the extra mileage (.2?) added a couple of minutes to my overall time.  And of course, I’m a successful medal monger in one of the country’s largest marathons.  So now I join @xulf in a stretch of post-race nothingness.  Boston training won’t get serious until a year from now.  Apparently, my family has already discussed a family trip to Boston for 2021!

My finishing comment is to again thank you guys for the incredible support during my training and more importantly, for The Elk Institute.  We all bailed out the fundraising effort, and the strong showing meant a great deal to Dr. Elk and to the veterans. 

 
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Segment 5, Crystal City: miles 22-24

We looped back into an urban area, which I believe messed with my mileage and splits some more.  One table was offering Fireball shots; another was offering beer.  Both were tempting.  I thought the up-and-back here was again supposed to be hilly, but actually it wasn’t.  Just lots more water on the roads.  I was aware that I had lost the lift and reach of my stride, which was bound to slow my pace.  Using some estimates of true readings: Mile 22 (8:11), mile 23 (8:24?), and mile 24 (8:29?).  HR hit a high peak of 178 (yikes!) at mile 23.  It then slid lower as the limitation became legs, not lungs.
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Congrats on the podium.  That speaks to your result more than the time.

Is your fundraising page still open?  

 
Marine Corps Marathon Race Report

3:28:27 …PR by 32 seconds

7:58/mi pace (7:54/mi based on actual’ish 26.4 miles?)

3rd of 446 in AG …517 of 18,513 overall (top 2.8%) and 418 of 10,014 male (top 4.2%)
So sick to AG podium, congrats!  Did you get an award or will something come via mail?  The size of the race makes it a ##### logistically on a good day, add that horrible timed heavy rain and man. Props to you. Yes I bailed on running in to wave my BMF Brand Shovels sign. I’ll snap a pic and pop in on a strava run.  Biggest deterrent was waking up to drive in a downpour to run in a downpour to stand in a downpour and so on.

Biggest props on the fundraising mission your crushed.  Really outstanding training to follow and I am glad the 5k didn’t bite you on raceday.  Enjoy your recovery and looking forward to whatever is next for you. You are an inspiration - thanks for setting such a high bar for us!

 

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