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Ran a 10k - Official Thread (5 Viewers)

I'm a day late here as I spent all weekend (2 full size trucks worth) of moving. And one to go next weekend. Yeah, that sucks.

Anyway - Pat, what a great PR. Tri-man, serious congrats on shaking that injury and putting in a solid, solid time. And Grue, for rolling into Boston and *yawn* rolling in a 3 ####### 20. Sick, man.

 
Finished first in the race today :clap:

Alright, so it was just the Army - APFT, 2 mile. 12:12 according to my watch, I think the official time was 12:10. Felt smooth and could have gone another 1.1 at roughly the same pace.

But, I've gained 7 lbs in the last 6 months. :porked:

 
Finished first in the race today :clap:

Alright, so it was just the Army - APFT, 2 mile. 12:12 according to my watch, I think the official time was 12:10. Felt smooth and could have gone another 1.1 at roughly the same pace.

But, I've gained 7 lbs in the last 6 months. :porked:
If you could have run that same pace for 1.1 more miles than you didn't run hard enough. :coffee:

 
Feel like maybe I'm turning the corner cardio wise. Ran 3 1/2 miles this morning and averaged 9:58 @ 139BPM. I realize that most guys in this thread could run a 6 minute mile at that heart rate but for me that's pretty big. Almost a month ago I ran the same route and averaged 10:06 @ 151BPM. :D

 
Finished first in the race today :clap:

Alright, so it was just the Army - APFT, 2 mile. 12:12 according to my watch, I think the official time was 12:10. Felt smooth and could have gone another 1.1 at roughly the same pace.

But, I've gained 7 lbs in the last 6 months. :porked:
:thumbup: That's funny - its the exact time I ran in the AF 2 miler during bootcamp. I can still vividly remember that morning.What time gets you a perfect score? I'm assuming you didn't go all out because that's all you need.

 
Feel like maybe I'm turning the corner cardio wise. Ran 3 1/2 miles this morning and averaged 9:58 @ 139BPM. I realize that most guys in this thread could run a 6 minute mile at that heart rate but for me that's pretty big. Almost a month ago I ran the same route and averaged 10:06 @ 151BPM. :D
Damn right - big confidence boost! That's a solid recovery effort for a 200 mHR.

 
Ok - as mentioned I've ventured in here before but I've never been a serious runner. I did a few races here and there but never been all-in on it. I'm pretty sure I will do some tri races with my kids but I have some newbie type questions about the run part of my "training".

- I've always heard people talk about establishing a base. Can someone explain in layman terms what that means. Is it the number of miles you do in a week? Does only running count toward a "base". What if I'm running 12 miles a week but walking/jogging 10 more?

- Do any of you that run every walk as recovery or is it best to get to the point where you run your recovery workouts too?

- I've heard people talk about increasing mileage by 10% - would that also apply to walking?

I'm asking these question because 1. I'm clueless and 2. Right now my legs can only take so much jogging/running. I'm doing A LOT of walking I'm trying to determine if that helps me much at all with my running. I'm going to start reading more from Ned's first post but thought I would ask here.

 
Boston Marathon race report

3:43:06 (14,385 overall ..a move up from my start #18044)

Man, marathons are hard ...particularly Boston, and especially on an ugly day. The temp was around 46 degrees, and the rain started 5 minutes before my wave start. The rain was moderate to very heavy throughout the race, and a steady headwind added to the challenge. That said, I didn't take much note of the rain while on the course. Frankly, I was in quite a zone throughout the race ..it was rather surreal the way the miles floated by.

Staying with my friend in the suburbs worked out great again. (Earmuffs, pbm, grue, and nigel) I had a leisurely morning in Southborough, and my friend dropped me off near the Hopkinton state park to catch a bus into town. They had tons of buses there. So easy to catch an open bank of porta potties, step on a bus, and then get dropped off right near the back of the corrals - no need to go to the athletes' village. Even some locals chose to get dropped off at the park instead of heading into Boston. My wave started at 10:50 a.m., and I got dropped off in Hopkinton at 10:15. I hopped into a short restroom line at the corner gas station and then joined the throngs heading into the corrals. I was unusually calm before the start. Normally, my HR reaches about 100 before a race. Here, the HR was around 80 or below. I was just enjoying the sights and sounds, soaking it all in.

Somewhere around mile 15-16, I managed to lock my Garmin, and I always forget how to unlock it. It was on the HR screen, which was good, but I did want to keep a bit of an eye on pace as well. In attempting to unlock it, I seemed to have screwed up the timing, so I don't have good mile/HR splits.

5K: 25:18

10K: 25:23

15K: 25:46

20K: 26:57 pee stop

25K: 25:59

30K: 27:13

35K: 27:38

40K: 26:34

HM split: 1:49:07 ..final HM split: 1:53:59

I've seen grue's freakishly steady pacing, but the above is probably more the Boston norm - fast on the early down slopes, steady through the middle, hanging tough through the hills, and then finishing as strong as possible (if possible). The early miles were a little better than I expected. My HR was hanging around 160, so I tried to hold back. The pee break was too long - went to a line of porta potties near mile 12, but the extra time to step off the road and latch/unlatch the door is a waste. Shoulda done like nigel and just quickly caught a tree.

About mile 15 my quads started barking at me - a sign of limited training (and lack of hill work). Ultimately, this was the limiting factor for the day. I took it steady through the hills, not daring to push too hard and aggravate the quads too much. The HR moved into the mid or high-170s on the hills but then drop back into the 160s. As I pushed to the finish, the HR stayed in the 170s.

I really fed off of the amazing crowds. I'd put an extra "Wally" tag near my left shoulder (above the bib), and wow ..giving them a name to call out generates a ton of response. I starting counting the personalized call-outs during the early miles as a way to pass the time, and it was well over 300 before the HM point. They get really enthusiastic when you make eye contact and give them a smile or a finger point. Toward the end, where I'd normally start to withdraw into myself to some degree, I consciously worked to respond to the crowd with a look or a high-five so that I'd stay engaged and get their energy. I really did have a positive spirit throughout, much of it due to my extra motivation. Never really any negative thoughts or doubts about finishing well.

The difficult part was after the race. We had to shuffle forward for about 4 city blocks, and the wind was funneled down Boylston right into us. Very cold and uncomfortable. I could hardly walk anyway, but then needed to loop back several blocks to catch a train. The train station, where I had to wait an hour, wasn't too warm either. Eventually a young couple next to me insisted I take a few bucks to buy some hot tea, since as the guy pointed out, "your lips are turning blue." The tea helped a lot. A massage last night was beneficial, too, but my legs - especially the quads - are still a mess.

My time easily qualifies me for next year's race in a new bracket (only needed a 3:55). Early goal? Top 10% in that bracket.

TL:DR - successful, satisfying, surreal event; tight quads; requalified.

 
Congrats on a great race, Tri!

I think you're right about avoiding Athletes' Village.

What are your racing plans for the fall?
I really haven't thought much beyond the June race. I want to do a couple more HMs in the Chicagoland HM series, and I expect to do the Naperville Trail HM and the Dances With Dirt in September. I'd like to do some 5K training (you know, Juxt, track work!) and get in a couple of those. But I'll also build my race schedule around the university's cross country team schedule as I expect to follow them (and maybe work with them) closely in the fall.

 
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Boston Race Report

First off the Boston marathon was an incredible experience and if you ever have the opportunity to participate you just have to do it. The crowd support and the volunteers are just awesome.

I had a lot of fun around town with the wife, we stay at the Marriott Copley Place while it was crazy expensive the location worked out perfectly. I spent entirely too much time obsessing about the weather and the projected wind speed and direction. Considering one of my marathon paced training runs failed because of wind the forecasted headwind concerned me. I eventually decided that I was going to run to the 3:03:30 pace band for the first 3 miles and if that was too difficult I would run based on HR. I expected my marathon HR to be between 160-163 based on my training runs and last marathon (avg 163).

I slept much better than expected falling asleep around 10 and waking up at 4:15. Since I was able to take a good crap I skipped the coffee, I was afraid it would elevate my HR and I didn't want that since there was a good chance I'd be racing by HR.

Got the buses around 6 and ended up sitting next to a German guy. He had run Berlin in 2:50 and was hoping to run a 2:48 at Boston. He was very worried about the rain, he ended up with a 2:49.

Once we arrived in Hopkinton, hit the porta potty and then sat under the tent for a while. The plan was to meet my coworker next to the school building and he was scheduled to arrive around 8:30. Of course around the time I planned on looking for him it started raining. I had a decision to make to stay under the tent where space is limited and stay dry, or stand in the rain by the school waiting for my coworker. I chose to stand in the rain and never did see my coworker before the race. Lucky it didn't rain for long and where I was standing was right near the entrance to athlete's village. So I got to enjoy much of the commentary from the announcer with the thick Boston accent welcoming the runners to the village.

On to the race.
Miles 1-3
Pace Band 6:50, 6:56, 6:54 PB Elapsed Time 20:40
Actual 7:08, 6:52, 6:58 Elapsed Time 20:48
HR 158 170 170
It was very crowded the first few miles, I didn't notice the wind at all at this point. I felt great, but I regretted selecting the fast start option on my pacing spreadsheet as it was too crowded. Didn't have HR displayed during the race so I had no idea it was this high and I was shocked after the race to see that it was this high. I decided to move forward with the plan on the pace band.

Miles 4-12
Pace Band 6:54, 7:01, 6:59, 6:57, 7:01, 6:57, 7:10, 7:06, 6:54 PB Elapsed Time 1:23:39
Actual 6:47, 6:53, 6:53, 6:56, 6:59, 6:57, 7:04, 7:05, 6:59 Elapsed Time 1:23:23
HR 172 174 174 175 174 172 171 170 167

Things opened up a little bit here and I was able to get into a rhythm. For most of these miles I felt very comfortable, but they didn't feel stupid easy like they should have. Even so the HR didn't match my effort level, during my 5K PR my AVG hr was 175 and I obviously wasn't working that hard. My focus during this time was to not get to far ahead of the pace band time. The weather conditions weren't an issue until mile 10 or 11 when it started to ran pretty hard. I don't wear a singlet often and I was suprised how heavy it felt on my shoulders when it got soaked.

Miles 13-15
Pace Band 6:59, 7:00, 7:04 PB Elapsed Time 1:44:42
Actual 7:06, 7:04, 7:06 Elapsed Time 1:44:39
HR 163 166 170
Here is were I started to get a little nervous, my effort level remained the same but I was giving up time and I knew the hills were coming. I tossed the arm warmers at this point, since they were soaked and heavy.

Miles 16-21
Pace Band 6:49, 7:12, 7:10, 6:57, 7:09, 7:17 PB Elapsed Time 2:27:16
Actual 6:59, 7:15, 7:28, 7:11, 7:27, 7:39 Elapsed Time 2:28:39
HR 166 168 168 167 167 168
The hills weren't that bad, but I wasn't doing too well. I am in damage control mode, don't want to increase the effort level too much on the hills and risk totally bonking later. The good news is that I am so confused that I run up Heartbreak without realizing it. For some reason I thought it was over at 21.5, that was a pleasent surprise. I was content with being only 1:23 behind pace with the hills behind me.

Miles 22-25
Pace Band 6:54, 6:56, 6:54, 6:56 PB Elapsed Time 2:54:56
Actual 7:12, 7:25, 7:20, 7:37 Elapsed Time 2:58:15
HR 164 164 161 162
For a brief 30 secs or so in mile 22 with the excitement of being over the hills and the crowd support of BC I pick things up and believe that I will be able to cruise home for the last few miles. Once reality set back in I couldn't get my legs to get up to speed, my shoes were heavy, my shorts were soaked clinging to my legs, and I had zero flexibilty in the my legs. I really didn't think the weather was much of a factor until these miles, but with the wind and rain I even had difficulty seeing at times.

Mile 26-26.2
There was a guy racing in a speedo, in fact he showed up to the packet pickup and Hopkinton in just a speedo. During the last mile I see that he is ahead of me and walking. For some reason I didn't want this guy to beat me and I was able to get down to 7:25 pace for the last 1.2 to beat him.

Like tri-man mentioned the difficult part was after the race and I had it easier than tri-man in that I didn't walk the 4 blocks to the train station. I got my medal and space blanket and headed to my hotel. My problem was that both calves locked up on me and I had to waddle my way back. It was way too cold to be moving that slow, and only after a 20 minute shower, a large coffee, and 20 minutes under the covers did I finally warm up.

Even though it was tough race for me and I didn't get anywhere near my goal time I am pretty happy with the result. Considering the course and conditions I'm feel fortunate to be able to PR. I have no idea why my HR was so high the first part of the race, it isn't consistent with my recent races. I think I would have been better going for 3:05 instead if 3:03:30 but that would have only saved me a minute or two.

 
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Finished first in the race today :clap:

Alright, so it was just the Army - APFT, 2 mile. 12:12 according to my watch, I think the official time was 12:10. Felt smooth and could have gone another 1.1 at roughly the same pace.

But, I've gained 7 lbs in the last 6 months. :porked:
:thumbup: That's funny - its the exact time I ran in the AF 2 miler during bootcamp. I can still vividly remember that morning.What time gets you a perfect score? I'm assuming you didn't go all out because that's all you need.
13:38 is max for the run in my age group. (37-39)

this was roughly the 20th APFT in a row I maxed. not bragging, it's just not difficult.

 
pbm - sweet! You lost some time in the back, but that looks like it was due to the strong start and the effects of the weather. Still, setting a PR at Boston is a huge accomplishment. Way to go!!

 
Finished first in the race today :clap:

Alright, so it was just the Army - APFT, 2 mile. 12:12 according to my watch, I think the official time was 12:10. Felt smooth and could have gone another 1.1 at roughly the same pace.

But, I've gained 7 lbs in the last 6 months. :porked:
:thumbup: That's funny - its the exact time I ran in the AF 2 miler during bootcamp. I can still vividly remember that morning.What time gets you a perfect score? I'm assuming you didn't go all out because that's all you need.
13:38 is max for the run in my age group. (37-39)

this was roughly the 20th APFT in a row I maxed. not bragging, it's just not difficult.
Congrats?

is this something the Army does regularly with all army-peeps?

the 2mile sub 12mins was called the "cooper test" for HS and college soccer. we'd do it beginning and end of our preseason training camp.

 
pbm - sweet! You lost some time in the back, but that looks like it was due to the strong start and the effects of the weather. Still, setting a PR at Boston is a huge accomplishment. Way to go!!
Thanks it is amazing to me that you were able run so well coming off of injury. A BQ -12 minutes without a full training cycle, crazy.

 
Finished first in the race today :clap:

Alright, so it was just the Army - APFT, 2 mile. 12:12 according to my watch, I think the official time was 12:10. Felt smooth and could have gone another 1.1 at roughly the same pace.

But, I've gained 7 lbs in the last 6 months. :porked:
:thumbup: That's funny - its the exact time I ran in the AF 2 miler during bootcamp. I can still vividly remember that morning.What time gets you a perfect score? I'm assuming you didn't go all out because that's all you need.
13:38 is max for the run in my age group. (37-39)

this was roughly the 20th APFT in a row I maxed. not bragging, it's just not difficult.
Congrats?

is this something the Army does regularly with all army-peeps?

the 2mile sub 12mins was called the "cooper test" for HS and college soccer. we'd do it beginning and end of our preseason training camp.
every 6 months.

http://www.apft-standards.com/

2 minutes push ups, 2 minutes sit ups, 2 mile run. Sliding scale based on age and gender.

The sad thing is we have experienced Soldiers who don't pass.

 
Finished first in the race today :clap:

Alright, so it was just the Army - APFT, 2 mile. 12:12 according to my watch, I think the official time was 12:10. Felt smooth and could have gone another 1.1 at roughly the same pace.

But, I've gained 7 lbs in the last 6 months. :porked:
:thumbup: That's funny - its the exact time I ran in the AF 2 miler during bootcamp. I can still vividly remember that morning.What time gets you a perfect score? I'm assuming you didn't go all out because that's all you need.
13:38 is max for the run in my age group. (37-39)

this was roughly the 20th APFT in a row I maxed. not bragging, it's just not difficult.
Congrats?

is this something the Army does regularly with all army-peeps?

the 2mile sub 12mins was called the "cooper test" for HS and college soccer. we'd do it beginning and end of our preseason training camp.
every 6 months.

http://www.apft-standards.com/

2 minutes push ups, 2 minutes sit ups, 2 mile run. Sliding scale based on age and gender.

The sad thing is we have experienced Soldiers who don't pass.
What score is "passing"?

 
Finished first in the race today :clap:

Alright, so it was just the Army - APFT, 2 mile. 12:12 according to my watch, I think the official time was 12:10. Felt smooth and could have gone another 1.1 at roughly the same pace.

But, I've gained 7 lbs in the last 6 months. :porked:
:thumbup: That's funny - its the exact time I ran in the AF 2 miler during bootcamp. I can still vividly remember that morning.What time gets you a perfect score? I'm assuming you didn't go all out because that's all you need.
13:38 is max for the run in my age group. (37-39)

this was roughly the 20th APFT in a row I maxed. not bragging, it's just not difficult.
Congrats?

is this something the Army does regularly with all army-peeps?

the 2mile sub 12mins was called the "cooper test" for HS and college soccer. we'd do it beginning and end of our preseason training camp.
every 6 months.

http://www.apft-standards.com/

2 minutes push ups, 2 minutes sit ups, 2 mile run. Sliding scale based on age and gender.

The sad thing is we have experienced Soldiers who don't pass.
What score is "passing"?
60 on each event, so for

male, 37-41: 34 push ups, 38 sit ups, 18:18 2 miles

male, 17-21: 42 push ups, 53 sit ups, 15:54 2 miles

Like I stated earlier, it's sad that some of the Soldiers, who have been trained to these standards and whose job description includes being in shape, fail.

 
The Army standards seem pretty weak, at age 48 I could max every category at my age or any age for that matter. I don't consider myself a specimen so how could I be max at everything? I don't like the thought of me being more physically fit than most 20 year old Army guys.

 
signed up for my first 5k. Saturday night April 25th.

I ran 5k yesterday with the dog at 29:25. each mile I ran was faster than the previous one. I was breathing hard but nothing too bad.

how much quicker will I run a race? will adrenaline kick in and get me more around 28:00? its only 5k so I was thinking of just running balls out (for me, that'd be just under 9:00 min/mi) for a mile or two and see what happens. worst thing that can happen is I have to walk for 30 seconds before picking up the pace again.
Run the first mile like it's a one mile race and then just try to hang on. You do this and I'm confident you finish under 27 minutes...and likely vomit.
I ran a practice 5k today. Mile 1 8:33

Mile 2 9:00

Mile 3 9:21

27:50 overall

HR was between 172-180 for most of it

Definitely felt lightheaded when I got done. Had to lay down for 20 minutes before I felt right again.
Ran another practice 5k today

Mile 1 8:53

Mile 2 8:55

Mile 3 9:02

27:44 overall

HR was 165 avg, much lower than last time. Not sure if it was because of the slower start or colder temps. It was 25-30 degrees colder today. Will that keep HR down?

Think I'll run some slow miles tomorrow, take Friday off, and then the race on Saturday night

 
The Army standards seem pretty weak, at age 48 I could max every category at my age or any age for that matter. I don't consider myself a specimen so how could I be max at everything? I don't like the thought of me being more physically fit than most 20 year old Army guys.
Most of the regular military standards are weak.

 
jomar said:
signed up for my first 5k. Saturday night April 25th.

I ran 5k yesterday with the dog at 29:25. each mile I ran was faster than the previous one. I was breathing hard but nothing too bad.

how much quicker will I run a race? will adrenaline kick in and get me more around 28:00? its only 5k so I was thinking of just running balls out (for me, that'd be just under 9:00 min/mi) for a mile or two and see what happens. worst thing that can happen is I have to walk for 30 seconds before picking up the pace again.
Run the first mile like it's a one mile race and then just try to hang on. You do this and I'm confident you finish under 27 minutes...and likely vomit.
I ran a practice 5k today. Mile 1 8:33

Mile 2 9:00

Mile 3 9:21

27:50 overall

HR was between 172-180 for most of it

Definitely felt lightheaded when I got done. Had to lay down for 20 minutes before I felt right again.
Ran another practice 5k today

Mile 1 8:53

Mile 2 8:55

Mile 3 9:02

27:44 overall

HR was 165 avg, much lower than last time. Not sure if it was because of the slower start or colder temps. It was 25-30 degrees colder today. Will that keep HR down?

Think I'll run some slow miles tomorrow, take Friday off, and then the race on Saturday night
Temperature can be a factor but I'd guess it was mostly due to the slower start. Good luck Saturday!

 
Ned said:
spreagle said:
The Army standards seem pretty weak, at age 48 I could max every category at my age or any age for that matter. I don't consider myself a specimen so how could I be max at everything? I don't like the thought of me being more physically fit than most 20 year old Army guys.
Most of the regular military standards are weak.
Maxing at the youngest age should be the goal for every soldier. If you're truly maxing the youngest at 48, you're doing well, better than 99% of Americans. Keep in mind most of the army is not on the line, infantry soldiers. Those guys have to do a lot more than the test. SF, a lot more.

I'll agree that most regular standards are weak. which makes it even sadder that, at least according to some, only 30% of Americans could meet the standards.

 
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AAABatteries said:
Ok - as mentioned I've ventured in here before but I've never been a serious runner. I did a few races here and there but never been all-in on it. I'm pretty sure I will do some tri races with my kids but I have some newbie type questions about the run part of my "training".

- I've always heard people talk about establishing a base. Can someone explain in layman terms what that means. Is it the number of miles you do in a week? Does only running count toward a "base". What if I'm running 12 miles a week but walking/jogging 10 more?

- Do any of you that run every walk as recovery or is it best to get to the point where you run your recovery workouts too?

- I've heard people talk about increasing mileage by 10% - would that also apply to walking?

I'm asking these question because 1. I'm clueless and 2. Right now my legs can only take so much jogging/running. I'm doing A LOT of walking I'm trying to determine if that helps me much at all with my running. I'm going to start reading more from Ned's first post but thought I would ask here.
I'll try to address these:

The 'base' addresses both some basic muscle strength and the development of the internal aerobic capacity. It's not necessarily the number of miles but the approach to those miles ...slow, easy runs to let your system build up. If some walking is needed at the start, that's fine. But you'll gain more benefit from the running as opposed to doing too much walking. The running will elevate your heart rate more (but you don't want it to be a hard effort). Ultimately, some cross-training is good (biking, swimming, weights). Walking, though, probably doesn't add that much benefit.

A recovery can be either an easy cool-down run or some walking ...something to let the system recover as opposed to finishing at your doorstep and heading right inside.

I don't think the same 10% rule would apply to walking since it has less of an impact on the body ...but then again, the walking has less of an impact on your development, so better to focus on the running and slowly increase those miles.

 
Thanks tri-man! My main focus is dropping some pounds but I'm also wanting to start building a running base. I think this is going to take me a long while and I need to stay patient.

 
Nice write-ups PBM and Tri! Glad that PBM was able to beat Speedo guy - it's the little things like that that keep you coming back.

 
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Juxtatarot said:
FUBAR said:
El Floppo said:
FUBAR said:
Ned said:
FUBAR said:
Finished first in the race today :clap:

Alright, so it was just the Army - APFT, 2 mile. 12:12 according to my watch, I think the official time was 12:10. Felt smooth and could have gone another 1.1 at roughly the same pace.

But, I've gained 7 lbs in the last 6 months. :porked:
:thumbup: That's funny - its the exact time I ran in the AF 2 miler during bootcamp. I can still vividly remember that morning.What time gets you a perfect score? I'm assuming you didn't go all out because that's all you need.
13:38 is max for the run in my age group. (37-39)

this was roughly the 20th APFT in a row I maxed. not bragging, it's just not difficult.
Congrats?

is this something the Army does regularly with all army-peeps?

the 2mile sub 12mins was called the "cooper test" for HS and college soccer. we'd do it beginning and end of our preseason training camp.
every 6 months.http://www.apft-standards.com/

2 minutes push ups, 2 minutes sit ups, 2 mile run. Sliding scale based on age and gender.

The sad thing is we have experienced Soldiers who don't pass.
What score is "passing"?
60 on each event, so for

male, 37-41: 34 push ups, 38 sit ups, 18:18 2 miles

male, 17-21: 42 push ups, 53 sit ups, 15:54 2 miles

Like I stated earlier, it's sad that some of the Soldiers, who have been trained to these standards and whose job description includes being in shape, fail.
Wait... Do i understand this right- 17-21 yos only have to do 2x 8min miles to pass? (Along with some sit-ups and push-ups)

 
Thanks tri-man! My main focus is dropping some pounds but I'm also wanting to start building a running base. I think this is going to take me a long while and I need to stay patient.
You and I seem like we began in the same boat GB. For me, the biggest thing was carving out time daily to do some exercising. I'll say that if you are going to be walking, make sure you walk hills (if not on a treadmill) and if on a treadmill, boost that incline a bit. That'll give you the best bang for your buck while walking. I shed a few lbs just doing that for a few weeks before I started running. I run MWF usually and lift weights on Tues/Thurs. Even when lifting weights I do higher amounts of reps at lower weight with short breaks between. It becomes relatively aerobic that way and helps with weight loss also. Since Jan, I've shed about 20 lbs and am now to running at 30 minute intervals whereas before I was lucky to complete 3 minute intervals. What tri said about heart rate and running is absolutely correct. Even on my longest runs now, I'm never completely out of breath like I was before.

My brain is my biggest problem at the moment. I can't stay focused. My mind wanders all over the place and many days it feels like a grind to finish a run. On the days I maintain focus, it feels like time flies by. I suspect it's time to change the music up again.

 
Thanks tri-man! My main focus is dropping some pounds but I'm also wanting to start building a running base. I think this is going to take me a long while and I need to stay patient.
You and I seem like we began in the same boat GB. For me, the biggest thing was carving out time daily to do some exercising. I'll say that if you are going to be walking, make sure you walk hills (if not on a treadmill) and if on a treadmill, boost that incline a bit. That'll give you the best bang for your buck while walking. I shed a few lbs just doing that for a few weeks before I started running. I run MWF usually and lift weights on Tues/Thurs. Even when lifting weights I do higher amounts of reps at lower weight with short breaks between. It becomes relatively aerobic that way and helps with weight loss also. Since Jan, I've shed about 20 lbs and am now to running at 30 minute intervals whereas before I was lucky to complete 3 minute intervals. What tri said about heart rate and running is absolutely correct. Even on my longest runs now, I'm never completely out of breath like I was before.

My brain is my biggest problem at the moment. I can't stay focused. My mind wanders all over the place and many days it feels like a grind to finish a run. On the days I maintain focus, it feels like time flies by. I suspect it's time to change the music up again.
Yeah, the grind for me is the hardest part. Once I get out there everything is ok, but somedays it's a pain just to "want" to go. We all feel that part.

 
Thanks tri-man! My main focus is dropping some pounds but I'm also wanting to start building a running base. I think this is going to take me a long while and I need to stay patient.
You and I seem like we began in the same boat GB. For me, the biggest thing was carving out time daily to do some exercising. I'll say that if you are going to be walking, make sure you walk hills (if not on a treadmill) and if on a treadmill, boost that incline a bit. That'll give you the best bang for your buck while walking. I shed a few lbs just doing that for a few weeks before I started running. I run MWF usually and lift weights on Tues/Thurs. Even when lifting weights I do higher amounts of reps at lower weight with short breaks between. It becomes relatively aerobic that way and helps with weight loss also. Since Jan, I've shed about 20 lbs and am now to running at 30 minute intervals whereas before I was lucky to complete 3 minute intervals. What tri said about heart rate and running is absolutely correct. Even on my longest runs now, I'm never completely out of breath like I was before.

My brain is my biggest problem at the moment. I can't stay focused. My mind wanders all over the place and many days it feels like a grind to finish a run. On the days I maintain focus, it feels like time flies by. I suspect it's time to change the music up again.
That's awesome! nice work!

 
Thanks tri-man! My main focus is dropping some pounds but I'm also wanting to start building a running base. I think this is going to take me a long while and I need to stay patient.
You and I seem like we began in the same boat GB. For me, the biggest thing was carving out time daily to do some exercising. I'll say that if you are going to be walking, make sure you walk hills (if not on a treadmill) and if on a treadmill, boost that incline a bit. That'll give you the best bang for your buck while walking. I shed a few lbs just doing that for a few weeks before I started running. I run MWF usually and lift weights on Tues/Thurs. Even when lifting weights I do higher amounts of reps at lower weight with short breaks between. It becomes relatively aerobic that way and helps with weight loss also. Since Jan, I've shed about 20 lbs and am now to running at 30 minute intervals whereas before I was lucky to complete 3 minute intervals. What tri said about heart rate and running is absolutely correct. Even on my longest runs now, I'm never completely out of breath like I was before.

My brain is my biggest problem at the moment. I can't stay focused. My mind wanders all over the place and many days it feels like a grind to finish a run. On the days I maintain focus, it feels like time flies by. I suspect it's time to change the music up again.
That's awesome! nice work!
I'd probably be further along in my weight loss if I'd pay closer attention to my diet. :bag:

 
Thanks tri-man! My main focus is dropping some pounds but I'm also wanting to start building a running base. I think this is going to take me a long while and I need to stay patient.
You and I seem like we began in the same boat GB. For me, the biggest thing was carving out time daily to do some exercising. I'll say that if you are going to be walking, make sure you walk hills (if not on a treadmill) and if on a treadmill, boost that incline a bit. That'll give you the best bang for your buck while walking. I shed a few lbs just doing that for a few weeks before I started running. I run MWF usually and lift weights on Tues/Thurs. Even when lifting weights I do higher amounts of reps at lower weight with short breaks between. It becomes relatively aerobic that way and helps with weight loss also. Since Jan, I've shed about 20 lbs and am now to running at 30 minute intervals whereas before I was lucky to complete 3 minute intervals. What tri said about heart rate and running is absolutely correct. Even on my longest runs now, I'm never completely out of breath like I was before.

My brain is my biggest problem at the moment. I can't stay focused. My mind wanders all over the place and many days it feels like a grind to finish a run. On the days I maintain focus, it feels like time flies by. I suspect it's time to change the music up again.
Yeah, the grind for me is the hardest part. Once I get out there everything is ok, but somedays it's a pain just to "want" to go. We all feel that part.
Mine comes mid-run. I don't have a problem getting going, it's staying going. Today, I was fine, but on Monday I kept thinking "no one is holding a gun to your head. you can stop running whenever you want" :lol: When that starts happening I need something to focus on other than time. That's usually when I turn to the music.

 
AAABatteries said:
Ok - as mentioned I've ventured in here before but I've never been a serious runner. I did a few races here and there but never been all-in on it. I'm pretty sure I will do some tri races with my kids but I have some newbie type questions about the run part of my "training".

- I've always heard people talk about establishing a base. Can someone explain in layman terms what that means. Is it the number of miles you do in a week? Does only running count toward a "base". What if I'm running 12 miles a week but walking/jogging 10 more?

- Do any of you that run every walk as recovery or is it best to get to the point where you run your recovery workouts too?

- I've heard people talk about increasing mileage by 10% - would that also apply to walking?

I'm asking these question because 1. I'm clueless and 2. Right now my legs can only take so much jogging/running. I'm doing A LOT of walking I'm trying to determine if that helps me much at all with my running. I'm going to start reading more from Ned's first post but thought I would ask here.
I dont know either. Building a base, to me, was just running for a few months while increasing mileage before even considering speeding up.

 
Thanks tri-man! My main focus is dropping some pounds but I'm also wanting to start building a running base. I think this is going to take me a long while and I need to stay patient.
You and I seem like we began in the same boat GB. For me, the biggest thing was carving out time daily to do some exercising. I'll say that if you are going to be walking, make sure you walk hills (if not on a treadmill) and if on a treadmill, boost that incline a bit. That'll give you the best bang for your buck while walking. I shed a few lbs just doing that for a few weeks before I started running. I run MWF usually and lift weights on Tues/Thurs. Even when lifting weights I do higher amounts of reps at lower weight with short breaks between. It becomes relatively aerobic that way and helps with weight loss also. Since Jan, I've shed about 20 lbs and am now to running at 30 minute intervals whereas before I was lucky to complete 3 minute intervals. What tri said about heart rate and running is absolutely correct. Even on my longest runs now, I'm never completely out of breath like I was before.

My brain is my biggest problem at the moment. I can't stay focused. My mind wanders all over the place and many days it feels like a grind to finish a run. On the days I maintain focus, it feels like time flies by. I suspect it's time to change the music up again.
Yeah, the grind for me is the hardest part. Once I get out there everything is ok, but somedays it's a pain just to "want" to go. We all feel that part.
Mine comes mid-run. I don't have a problem getting going, it's staying going. Today, I was fine, but on Monday I kept thinking "no one is holding a gun to your head. you can stop running whenever you want" :lol: When that starts happening I need something to focus on other than time. That's usually when I turn to the music.
Another benefit to running outside rather than the treadmill, this isn't an option when you're over a mile away from your house. ;)

 
A new article was posted this morning in the (free) online version of Ultrarunning Magazine on Metabolic Efficiency Training and Fat Burning. Pretty good summary from Sunny, who is a local Sports Nutritionist and ultrarunner. The key concept, and the one I struggle with the most, is that this is 70% diet and 30% training (much like weight loss itself).

 
Thanks tri-man! My main focus is dropping some pounds but I'm also wanting to start building a running base. I think this is going to take me a long while and I need to stay patient.
You and I seem like we began in the same boat GB. For me, the biggest thing was carving out time daily to do some exercising. I'll say that if you are going to be walking, make sure you walk hills (if not on a treadmill) and if on a treadmill, boost that incline a bit. That'll give you the best bang for your buck while walking. I shed a few lbs just doing that for a few weeks before I started running. I run MWF usually and lift weights on Tues/Thurs. Even when lifting weights I do higher amounts of reps at lower weight with short breaks between. It becomes relatively aerobic that way and helps with weight loss also. Since Jan, I've shed about 20 lbs and am now to running at 30 minute intervals whereas before I was lucky to complete 3 minute intervals. What tri said about heart rate and running is absolutely correct. Even on my longest runs now, I'm never completely out of breath like I was before.

My brain is my biggest problem at the moment. I can't stay focused. My mind wanders all over the place and many days it feels like a grind to finish a run. On the days I maintain focus, it feels like time flies by. I suspect it's time to change the music up again.
Yeah, the grind for me is the hardest part. Once I get out there everything is ok, but somedays it's a pain just to "want" to go. We all feel that part.
Mine comes mid-run. I don't have a problem getting going, it's staying going. Today, I was fine, but on Monday I kept thinking "no one is holding a gun to your head. you can stop running whenever you want" :lol: When that starts happening I need something to focus on other than time. That's usually when I turn to the music.
That's exactly what I hate about treadmills. It leaves you on an island with nothing but your thoughts. The distances on the treadmill always feels 2x long to me because my mind is a tad overactive.

 
Thanks tri-man! My main focus is dropping some pounds but I'm also wanting to start building a running base. I think this is going to take me a long while and I need to stay patient.
You and I seem like we began in the same boat GB. For me, the biggest thing was carving out time daily to do some exercising. I'll say that if you are going to be walking, make sure you walk hills (if not on a treadmill) and if on a treadmill, boost that incline a bit. That'll give you the best bang for your buck while walking. I shed a few lbs just doing that for a few weeks before I started running. I run MWF usually and lift weights on Tues/Thurs. Even when lifting weights I do higher amounts of reps at lower weight with short breaks between. It becomes relatively aerobic that way and helps with weight loss also. Since Jan, I've shed about 20 lbs and am now to running at 30 minute intervals whereas before I was lucky to complete 3 minute intervals. What tri said about heart rate and running is absolutely correct. Even on my longest runs now, I'm never completely out of breath like I was before.

My brain is my biggest problem at the moment. I can't stay focused. My mind wanders all over the place and many days it feels like a grind to finish a run. On the days I maintain focus, it feels like time flies by. I suspect it's time to change the music up again.
Yeah, the grind for me is the hardest part. Once I get out there everything is ok, but somedays it's a pain just to "want" to go. We all feel that part.
Mine comes mid-run. I don't have a problem getting going, it's staying going. Today, I was fine, but on Monday I kept thinking "no one is holding a gun to your head. you can stop running whenever you want" :lol: When that starts happening I need something to focus on other than time. That's usually when I turn to the music.
Another benefit to running outside rather than the treadmill, this isn't an option when you're over a mile away from your house. ;)
:lol: This is exactly why I like out/back routes. Once I get 10mi out, I have no choice but to run back home.

 
Thanks tri-man! My main focus is dropping some pounds but I'm also wanting to start building a running base. I think this is going to take me a long while and I need to stay patient.
You and I seem like we began in the same boat GB. For me, the biggest thing was carving out time daily to do some exercising. I'll say that if you are going to be walking, make sure you walk hills (if not on a treadmill) and if on a treadmill, boost that incline a bit. That'll give you the best bang for your buck while walking. I shed a few lbs just doing that for a few weeks before I started running. I run MWF usually and lift weights on Tues/Thurs. Even when lifting weights I do higher amounts of reps at lower weight with short breaks between. It becomes relatively aerobic that way and helps with weight loss also. Since Jan, I've shed about 20 lbs and am now to running at 30 minute intervals whereas before I was lucky to complete 3 minute intervals. What tri said about heart rate and running is absolutely correct. Even on my longest runs now, I'm never completely out of breath like I was before.

My brain is my biggest problem at the moment. I can't stay focused. My mind wanders all over the place and many days it feels like a grind to finish a run. On the days I maintain focus, it feels like time flies by. I suspect it's time to change the music up again.
Yeah, the grind for me is the hardest part. Once I get out there everything is ok, but somedays it's a pain just to "want" to go. We all feel that part.
Mine comes mid-run. I don't have a problem getting going, it's staying going. Today, I was fine, but on Monday I kept thinking "no one is holding a gun to your head. you can stop running whenever you want" :lol: When that starts happening I need something to focus on other than time. That's usually when I turn to the music.
Another benefit to running outside rather than the treadmill, this isn't an option when you're over a mile away from your house. ;)
Perhaps. Right now, I know if I actually stop, I become a highlight reel on America's Funniest Home Videos. If I'm a mile from my house and say "screw it", then I'm just walking home. There are days where the threat of physical harm are needed to get me through ;)

I guess what I'm trying to say is I'm still a pretty significant mental midget when it comes to running. My muscles are working fine, my heart, my breathing, all that is so much improved, but I'm still battling myself mentally.

 
Thanks tri-man! My main focus is dropping some pounds but I'm also wanting to start building a running base. I think this is going to take me a long while and I need to stay patient.
You and I seem like we began in the same boat GB. For me, the biggest thing was carving out time daily to do some exercising. I'll say that if you are going to be walking, make sure you walk hills (if not on a treadmill) and if on a treadmill, boost that incline a bit. That'll give you the best bang for your buck while walking. I shed a few lbs just doing that for a few weeks before I started running. I run MWF usually and lift weights on Tues/Thurs. Even when lifting weights I do higher amounts of reps at lower weight with short breaks between. It becomes relatively aerobic that way and helps with weight loss also. Since Jan, I've shed about 20 lbs and am now to running at 30 minute intervals whereas before I was lucky to complete 3 minute intervals. What tri said about heart rate and running is absolutely correct. Even on my longest runs now, I'm never completely out of breath like I was before.

My brain is my biggest problem at the moment. I can't stay focused. My mind wanders all over the place and many days it feels like a grind to finish a run. On the days I maintain focus, it feels like time flies by. I suspect it's time to change the music up again.
Yeah, the grind for me is the hardest part. Once I get out there everything is ok, but somedays it's a pain just to "want" to go. We all feel that part.
Mine comes mid-run. I don't have a problem getting going, it's staying going. Today, I was fine, but on Monday I kept thinking "no one is holding a gun to your head. you can stop running whenever you want" :lol: When that starts happening I need something to focus on other than time. That's usually when I turn to the music.
Another benefit to running outside rather than the treadmill, this isn't an option when you're over a mile away from your house. ;)
Perhaps. Right now, I know if I actually stop, I become a highlight reel on America's Funniest Home Videos. If I'm a mile from my house and say "screw it", then I'm just walking home. There are days where the threat of physical harm are needed to get me through ;)

I guess what I'm trying to say is I'm still a pretty significant mental midget when it comes to running. My muscles are working fine, my heart, my breathing, all that is so much improved, but I'm still battling myself mentally.
If it makes you feel any better, we all do. Those internal mental battles are just constantly changing as you develop as a runner.

 

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